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Reply #120 posted 06/15/17 8:00pm

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morningsong said:

A Kim Berry instagram thread turned into a Tiger Woods back surgery thread. Classic.

lol

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Reply #121 posted 06/16/17 2:34am

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rdhull said:



morningsong said:


A Kim Berry instagram thread turned into a Tiger Woods back surgery thread. Classic.



lol


Did you read the thread?
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Reply #122 posted 06/16/17 2:37am

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NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:



NotACleverName said:


cloveringold85 said:

Correct; one does not get high when taking their prescribed dosages. However, if someone is taking more than what was prescribed, they are indeed going to act "high" and "slurring" their words and just not acting normal. For instance, have you seen the video of Tiger Woods when he got pulled over? He was slurring his words and acting drunk, all because he over-medicated himself on pain pills. Just saying.


Ummmm....no. He was also taking Xanax. The Xanax was responsible for the "slurring words", "lack of coordination", etc. http://www.miami.com/miam...27/#frag-3 "According to drugs.com, Xanax “affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.” Side effects include drowsiness (check), feeling tired (check); slurred speech (check), lack of balance or coordination (check, check); memory problems....." Just saying.

He had other drugs in his system besides Xanax. None of which was enough to make him O.D. but you could see he was putting on a bad performance and obviously slurring his words enough to concern his wife. Remember the point here it was not enough to O.D. but enough to be noticed that he was high. Oh and Chris had been using drugs since he was 14 so what sort of tolerance level do you think he had. I also might add he did not look like fifty miles of bad road in the face like Prince did. I do not care what any of you say his face was a face of an illness. See drugs in his system. Additionally, seven different drugs were found in Cornell's post mortem toxicology report, including a significant dose of the anxiety medicine Ativan. However, it is the medical examiner's opinion that "these drugs did not contribute to the cause of death."


The drugs found in Cornell's system were "butalbital, lorazepam, pseudoephedrine and its metabolite norpseudoephedrine, caffeine, and naloxone." The caffeine came from No-Doz tablets the singer ingested prior to his death, while the pseudoephedrine was employed as a decongestant.


Other prescription drugs included the sedative Butalbital, Narcan ("a narcotic antagonist") and four doses of Lorazepam, which is known as the anx...ion Ativan.

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I was responding to clover's claim that Tiger Woods ingested copious amounts of pain killers which in turn, affected his speech to the point of slurring (it did not). There was no discussion of Chris Cornell.

--Clover and I were discussing Chris and Tiger. You should take the time to read the conversation.

See Chris on stage at his last show totally out of it on stage with multiple drugs in his system that were not even at levels that would have caused him to O.D. yet he is barely making if through this performance and he was a drug user since he was 14. So stop saying tolerance would make it easier for Prince to hide being high. If he was abusing these meds it was going to be noticed.

https://www.youtube.com/w...fbGVE8vIs8
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Reply #123 posted 06/16/17 9:35am

precioux

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:
I was responding to clover's claim that Tiger Woods ingested copious amounts of pain killers which in turn, affected his speech to the point of slurring (it did not). There was no discussion of Chris Cornell.
--Clover and I were discussing Chris and Tiger. You should take the time to read the conversation. See Chris on stage at his last show totally out of it on stage with multiple drugs in his system that were not even at levels that would have caused him to O.D. yet he is barely making if through this performance and he was a drug user since he was 14. So stop saying tolerance would make it easier for Prince to hide being high. If he was abusing these meds it was going to be noticed. https://www.youtube.com/w...fbGVE8vIs8 [Edited 6/16/17 6:07am]

LR, I'm the one who referenced "tolerance". I think maybe it came across wrong, and I should've worded it differently, because I was not implying that "Prince was hiding being high"- the implication was almost direct opposite. If there was a tolerance gained and IF Prince was "self medicating" in order to alliviate the pain, as opposed to taking something specifically to get high, - due to tolerance- he would appear normal, and probably FEEL normal and not high either. When tolerance occurs, the body gets used to something and therefore needs more to get the same pain relief. Point being that if it only took 1 pill once a day to alliviate his pain, then gained a tolerance- a year down the road, it would take much more to have the same medicinal effect. That said, there are MANY different side effects to each and every prescribed medication. One person may have the side effect of being drowsy, while others may have the euphoric, sense of well being side effect that would not cause anyone to be the wiser of what said person is taking. Tolerance is just that-tolerance. It does not mean that someone is "hiding" being "high". Quite the contrary-if the person has gained a tolerance, in order for that person to alliviate pain and function normally, they may need to take more because of the tolearnce, but as I said they do not appear high just because the required dose is higher.

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Reply #124 posted 06/16/17 10:03am

LBrent

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said: --Clover and I were discussing Chris and Tiger. You should take the time to read the conversation. See Chris on stage at his last show totally out of it on stage with multiple drugs in his system that were not even at levels that would have caused him to O.D. yet he is barely making if through this performance and he was a drug user since he was 14. So stop saying tolerance would make it easier for Prince to hide being high. If he was abusing these meds it was going to be noticed. https://www.youtube.com/w...fbGVE8vIs8 [Edited 6/16/17 6:07am]

LR, I'm the one who referenced "tolerance". I think maybe it came across wrong, and I should've worded it differently, because I was not implying that "Prince was hiding being high"- the implication was almost direct opposite. If there was a tolerance gained and IF Prince was "self medicating" in order to alliviate the pain, as opposed to taking something specifically to get high, - due to tolerance- he would appear normal, and probably FEEL normal and not high either. When tolerance occurs, the body gets used to something and therefore needs more to get the same pain relief. Point being that if it only took 1 pill once a day to alliviate his pain, then gained a tolerance- a year down the road, it would take much more to have the same medicinal effect. That said, there are MANY different side effects to each and every prescribed medication. One person may have the side effect of being drowsy, while others may have the euphoric, sense of well being side effect that would not cause anyone to be the wiser of what said person is taking. Tolerance is just that-tolerance. It does not mean that someone is "hiding" being "high". Quite the contrary-if the person has gained a tolerance, in order for that person to alliviate pain and function normally, they may need to take more because of the tolearnce, but as I said they do not appear high just because the required dose is higher.

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One of my least favourite side effects is when you give a person a sedative and instead of getting drowsy the medication reacts like an amphetamine and the patient ends up bouncing all over the place and getting into stuff all night.

Exhausting for staff...Ugh

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Reply #125 posted 06/16/17 10:26am

precioux

LBrent said:

precioux said:

LR, I'm the one who referenced "tolerance". I think maybe it came across wrong, and I should've worded it differently, because I was not implying that "Prince was hiding being high"- the implication was almost direct opposite. If there was a tolerance gained and IF Prince was "self medicating" in order to alliviate the pain, as opposed to taking something specifically to get high, - due to tolerance- he would appear normal, and probably FEEL normal and not high either. When tolerance occurs, the body gets used to something and therefore needs more to get the same pain relief. Point being that if it only took 1 pill once a day to alliviate his pain, then gained a tolerance- a year down the road, it would take much more to have the same medicinal effect. That said, there are MANY different side effects to each and every prescribed medication. One person may have the side effect of being drowsy, while others may have the euphoric, sense of well being side effect that would not cause anyone to be the wiser of what said person is taking. Tolerance is just that-tolerance. It does not mean that someone is "hiding" being "high". Quite the contrary-if the person has gained a tolerance, in order for that person to alliviate pain and function normally, they may need to take more because of the tolearnce, but as I said they do not appear high just because the required dose is higher.

[Edited 6/16/17 9:38am]

One of my least favourite side effects is when you give a person a sedative and instead of getting drowsy the medication reacts like an amphetamine and the patient ends up bouncing all over the place and getting into stuff all night.

Exhausting for staff...Ugh

HELLO!!! lol

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Reply #126 posted 06/16/17 11:26am

LBrent

precioux said:

LBrent said:

One of my least favourite side effects is when you give a person a sedative and instead of getting drowsy the medication reacts like an amphetamine and the patient ends up bouncing all over the place and getting into stuff all night.

Exhausting for staff...Ugh

HELLO!!! lol

Guuurl...and they outlawed 4 point restraints and those seats with the tray attached that keeps these patients from roaming and getting into stuff while staff prays for end of shift to hurry along.

Good times...

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Reply #127 posted 06/16/17 5:50pm

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precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said: --Clover and I were discussing Chris and Tiger. You should take the time to read the conversation. See Chris on stage at his last show totally out of it on stage with multiple drugs in his system that were not even at levels that would have caused him to O.D. yet he is barely making if through this performance and he was a drug user since he was 14. So stop saying tolerance would make it easier for Prince to hide being high. If he was abusing these meds it was going to be noticed. https://www.youtube.com/w...fbGVE8vIs8 [Edited 6/16/17 6:07am]

LR, I'm the one who referenced "tolerance". I think maybe it came across wrong, and I should've worded it differently, because I was not implying that "Prince was hiding being high"- the implication was almost direct opposite. If there was a tolerance gained and IF Prince was "self medicating" in order to alliviate the pain, as opposed to taking something specifically to get high, - due to tolerance- he would appear normal, and probably FEEL normal and not high either. When tolerance occurs, the body gets used to something and therefore needs more to get the same pain relief. Point being that if it only took 1 pill once a day to alliviate his pain, then gained a tolerance- a year down the road, it would take much more to have the same medicinal effect. That said, there are MANY different side effects to each and every prescribed medication. One person may have the side effect of being drowsy, while others may have the euphoric, sense of well being side effect that would not cause anyone to be the wiser of what said person is taking. Tolerance is just that-tolerance. It does not mean that someone is "hiding" being "high". Quite the contrary-if the person has gained a tolerance, in order for that person to alliviate pain and function normally, they may need to take more because of the tolearnce, but as I said they do not appear high just because the required dose is higher.

[Edited 6/16/17 9:38am]

No amout of tolerance would eliminate all of the side effects of the pain meds.

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Reply #128 posted 06/16/17 8:34pm

Strive

I can't understand the people that still think Prince didn't have a problem despite overdosing after his final performance and dying of another overdose seven days later.

Please, please, please do some research on functioning addicts. It's too late for Prince but maybe you'll be able to catch the warning signs with somebody else in your life before tragedy strikes.

_____________

And this is speculation from me but...

Prince was a world-class musician. He rehearsed like a maniac. He was a perfectionist. That's the type of guy who wouldn't be your average addict on stage. He cared too much about the work to let his personal problems bleed over, at least in ways his bandmates or fans could recognize.

He was also a guy who wrecked his body after decades of hard performances. So I can absolutely imagine him flying high on adrenaline from a show, attempting to carry that over into an aftershow and needing some type of landing gear once the adrenaline wore off and the chronic pain crept in.

Regardless of whether this was one continuous problem or an off-and-on problem he struggled with for who knows how long, everything points to it spiraling out of his control near the end.

To deny that is to deny the fact that there was a human being behind the larger-than-life persona he created.

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Reply #129 posted 06/16/17 9:31pm

fielder

This is BS. It was well known even among fans that Prince was addicted to painkillers. It was openly/unoopenly discussed at Paisley shows.

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Reply #130 posted 06/16/17 11:10pm

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Strive said:

I can't understand the people that still think Prince didn't have a problem despite overdosing after his final performance and dying of another overdose seven days later.

Please, please, please do some research on functioning addicts. It's too late for Prince but maybe you'll be able to catch the warning signs with somebody else in your life before tragedy strikes.

_____________

And this is speculation from me but...

Prince was a world-class musician. He rehearsed like a maniac. He was a perfectionist. That's the type of guy who wouldn't be your average addict on stage. He cared too much about the work to let his personal problems bleed over, at least in ways his bandmates or fans could recognize.

He was also a guy who wrecked his body after decades of hard performances. So I can absolutely imagine him flying high on adrenaline from a show, attempting to carry that over into an aftershow and needing some type of landing gear once the adrenaline wore off and the chronic pain crept in.

Regardless of whether this was one continuous problem or an off-and-on problem he struggled with for who knows how long, everything points to it spiraling out of his control near the end.

To deny that is to deny the fact that there was a human being behind the larger-than-life persona he created.

this is gut wrenching

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Reply #131 posted 06/17/17 2:55am

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fielder said:

This is BS. It was well known even among fans that Prince was addicted to painkillers. It was openly/unoopenly discussed at Paisley shows.


Really? What is unoopenly? People whispering to each other? Passing notes?
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Reply #132 posted 06/17/17 5:49pm

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rogifan said:

fielder said:

This is BS. It was well known even among fans that Prince was addicted to painkillers. It was openly/unoopenly discussed at Paisley shows.

Really? What is unoopenly? People whispering to each other? Passing notes? [Edited 6/17/17 2:56am]

The unopen part would be ESP.

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Reply #133 posted 06/17/17 6:00pm

LBrent

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

fielder said: Really? What is unoopenly? People whispering to each other? Passing notes? [Edited 6/17/17 2:56am]

The unopen part would be ESP.

ESP as in "extra sexy P"?

confused eek

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Reply #134 posted 06/17/17 9:59pm

CyndiGR

rdhull said:

Strive said:

I can't understand the people that still think Prince didn't have a problem despite overdosing after his final performance and dying of another overdose seven days later.

Please, please, please do some research on functioning addicts. It's too late for Prince but maybe you'll be able to catch the warning signs with somebody else in your life before tragedy strikes.

_____________

And this is speculation from me but...

Prince was a world-class musician. He rehearsed like a maniac. He was a perfectionist. That's the type of guy who wouldn't be your average addict on stage. He cared too much about the work to let his personal problems bleed over, at least in ways his bandmates or fans could recognize.

He was also a guy who wrecked his body after decades of hard performances. So I can absolutely imagine him flying high on adrenaline from a show, attempting to carry that over into an aftershow and needing some type of landing gear once the adrenaline wore off and the chronic pain crept in.

Regardless of whether this was one continuous problem or an off-and-on problem he struggled with for who knows how long, everything points to it spiraling out of his control near the end.

To deny that is to deny the fact that there was a human being behind the larger-than-life persona he created.

this is gut wrenching

I think we need to learn a huge lesson from all this... to truly seriously appreciate people while they are around, not take them for granted and say what needs to be said. Seems like no one was able to challenge Prince, .. that is a sad postscript. Prince was an outstanding stellar musical genius.. and hard to believe how much he packed into 57 years...

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Reply #135 posted 06/18/17 7:16am

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CyndiGR said:



rdhull said:




Strive said:


I can't understand the people that still think Prince didn't have a problem despite overdosing after his final performance and dying of another overdose seven days later.

Please, please, please do some research on functioning addicts. It's too late for Prince but maybe you'll be able to catch the warning signs with somebody else in your life before tragedy strikes.

_____

And this is speculation from me but...

Prince was a world-class musician. He rehearsed like a maniac. He was a perfectionist. That's the type of guy who wouldn't be your average addict on stage. He cared too much about the work to let his personal problems bleed over, at least in ways his bandmates or fans could recognize.

He was also a guy who wrecked his body after decades of hard performances. So I can absolutely imagine him flying high on adrenaline from a show, attempting to carry that over into an aftershow and needing some type of landing gear once the adrenaline wore off and the chronic pain crept in.

Regardless of whether this was one continuous problem or an off-and-on problem he struggled with for who knows how long, everything points to it spiraling out of his control near the end.

To deny that is to deny the fact that there was a human being behind the larger-than-life persona he created.



this is gut wrenching




I think we need to learn a huge lesson from all this... to truly seriously appreciate people while they are around, not take them for granted and say what needs to be said. Seems like no one was able to challenge Prince, .. that is a sad postscript. Prince was an outstanding stellar musical genius.. and hard to believe how much he packed into 57 years...



But it's difficult when you have no idea anything was ever going on
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Reply #136 posted 06/18/17 2:45pm

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I look forward to the day when "addict" is not a despicable label - something that has to be denied and rationalized out of - as opposed to a condition to be acknowledged and dealt with. More empathy, less judgement.
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Reply #137 posted 06/18/17 7:26pm

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fielder said:

This is BS. It was well known even among fans that Prince was addicted to painkillers. It was openly/unoopenly discussed at Paisley shows.


No. It wasn't well known nor was it openly discussed anywhere at all.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #138 posted 06/18/17 8:01pm

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Mintchip said:

I look forward to the day when "addict" is not a despicable label - something that has to be denied and rationalized out of - as opposed to a condition to be acknowledged and dealt with. More empathy, less judgement.

When it hits the white community, then you get that.

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Reply #139 posted 06/19/17 4:38am

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rdhull said:

Mintchip said:

I look forward to the day when "addict" is not a despicable label - something that has to be denied and rationalized out of - as opposed to a condition to be acknowledged and dealt with. More empathy, less judgement.

When it hits the white community, then you get that.

? Seriously? You think it hasn't hit the 'white' community? Doesn't matter what color you are, it's hit. Why bring this colored crap into addiction? Addiction doesn't care what color you are. mad

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Reply #140 posted 06/19/17 4:59am

rogifan

Something interesting....at one of the the Atlanta P&M shows at the end of Baby I'm a Star, Prince incorporated the lyric "I don't need no doctor, I don't need no doctor, no" into the song. I don't ever remember him doing that before. "I don't Need No Doctor" is actually a Ray Charles song from the 60s and if you read the lyrics it's very telling that Prince chose to incorporate it into the show. He was on fire that night and Baby I'm a Star was one of the highlights for sure.

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Reply #141 posted 06/19/17 5:42am

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rdhull said:

Mintchip said:

I look forward to the day when "addict" is not a despicable label - something that has to be denied and rationalized out of - as opposed to a condition to be acknowledged and dealt with. More empathy, less judgement.

When it hits the white community, then you get that.

serioiusly dude? lol

man it hit the 'white' community a long time ago

Now if your mean 'upper class' which it has a long time ago, then that is another thing.

but 'white trash' 'trailer trash' 'poor whites' 'swamp people' etc those 'white' folk are focused on all the time.

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Reply #142 posted 06/19/17 6:29am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



rdhull said:




Mintchip said:


I look forward to the day when "addict" is not a despicable label - something that has to be denied and rationalized out of - as opposed to a condition to be acknowledged and dealt with. More empathy, less judgement.

When it hits the white community, then you get that.




serioiusly dude? lol


man it hit the 'white' community a long time ago


Now if your mean 'upper class' which it has a long time ago, then that is another thing.


but 'white trash' 'trailer trash' 'poor whites' 'swamp people' etc those 'white' folk are focused on all the time.





Duh...Some of you are so pressed on being right about something that it's really ridiculous
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #143 posted 06/19/17 6:34am

OldFriends4Sal
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rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

serioiusly dude? lol

man it hit the 'white' community a long time ago

Now if your mean 'upper class' which it has a long time ago, then that is another thing.

but 'white trash' 'trailer trash' 'poor whites' 'swamp people' etc those 'white' folk are focused on all the time.

Duh...Some of you are so pressed on being right about something that it's really ridiculous

well I was finding this more humorous than anything.
But U did put it out there buddy lol

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Reply #144 posted 06/19/17 6:50am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



rdhull said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



serioiusly dude? lol


man it hit the 'white' community a long time ago


Now if your mean 'upper class' which it has a long time ago, then that is another thing.


but 'white trash' 'trailer trash' 'poor whites' 'swamp people' etc those 'white' folk are focused on all the time.





Duh...Some of you are so pressed on being right about something that it's really ridiculous


well I was finding this more humorous than anything.
But U did put it out there buddy lol





I know what I said and I know that some are a bit ridiculously extra in responses
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Reply #145 posted 06/19/17 7:10am

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rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

serioiusly dude? lol

man it hit the 'white' community a long time ago

Now if your mean 'upper class' which it has a long time ago, then that is another thing.

but 'white trash' 'trailer trash' 'poor whites' 'swamp people' etc those 'white' folk are focused on all the time.


Duh...Some of you are so pressed on being right about something that it's really ridiculous

You put the statement out there. Too bad you're wrong. biggrin

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Reply #146 posted 06/19/17 8:18am

precioux

rdhull said:

Mintchip said:

I look forward to the day when "addict" is not a despicable label - something that has to be denied and rationalized out of - as opposed to a condition to be acknowledged and dealt with. More empathy, less judgement.

When it hits the white community, then you get that.

You are ignorant to think for one second this has not "hit the white community" and a racist for posting your ignorant BS

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Reply #147 posted 06/19/17 8:22am

rdhull

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precioux said:

rdhull said:

When it hits the white community, then you get that.

You are ignorant to think for one second this has not "hit the white community" and a racist for posting your ignorant BS

Geezu. I never siad it HASN'T hit the white community. What I said, is typically epidemics etc dont get the empathic stance from the populace at large untilit hits their own. If youve paid attention for the past 30 years, a lot of the drug problems were hugely ignored by the mainstream until it hit the suburbs and other affluent co..ya know what. nevermind. The org is gonna org. god bless it. BTW yeah Im quite the racist rolleyes

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Reply #148 posted 06/19/17 8:26am

precioux

rdhull said:

precioux said:

You are ignorant to think for one second this has not "hit the white community" and a racist for posting your ignorant BS

Geezu. I never siad it HASN'T hit the white community. What I said, is typically epidemics etc dont get the empathic stance from the populace at large untilit hits their own. If youve paid attention for the past 30 years, a lot of the drug problems were hugely ignored by the mainstream until it hit the suburbs and other affluent co..ya know what. nevermind. The org is gonna org. god bless it. BTW yeah Im quite the racist rolleyes

I agree with your thoughts-but that's NOT what you said. You made a blanket statement. Maybe you should've said what you meant from the get go. Have a nice day

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Reply #149 posted 06/19/17 8:27am

rdhull

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precioux said:

rdhull said:

Geezu. I never siad it HASN'T hit the white community. What I said, is typically epidemics etc dont get the empathic stance from the populace at large untilit hits their own. If youve paid attention for the past 30 years, a lot of the drug problems were hugely ignored by the mainstream until it hit the suburbs and other affluent co..ya know what. nevermind. The org is gonna org. god bless it. BTW yeah Im quite the racist rolleyes

I agree with your thoughts-but that's NOT what you said. You made a blanket statement. Maybe you should've said what you meant from the get go. Have a nice day

If you have to be spoon fed then you have a day too..good or bad doesnt matter lol.

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