disch said:

Can someone please post a link to the actual toxicology report that is the basis for the discussion? Released April 2017.

Because the OP is a link to a media report about the toxicology report but not the report itself.

Thanks.

precioux said:

That's exactly what I said "Fentanyl was the lethal ingredient " And speaking of the massive dose, if you break these numbers down and relate them mathematically to Prince assuming these pills were "Watson 385" Vicodin's....the amount would've still been lethal, presuming these individual pills contained any sort of resemblance in makeup to one another.JS disch said:

yes but it was the fentanyl alone that killed him -- the fentanyl dose was massive and not survivable.

So that could indicate he took them on purpose?

MMJas said:

precioux said:

That's exactly what I said "Fentanyl was the lethal ingredient " And speaking of the massive dose, if you break these numbers down and relate them mathematically to Prince assuming these pills were "Watson 385" Vicodin's....the amount would've still been lethal, presuming these individual pills contained any sort of resemblance in makeup to one another.JS disch said:

So that could indicate he took them on purpose?

He took the Watson's/whatever pill it was, on purpose, they weren't supposed to have fentanyl in them. He didn't know he was ingesting the fentanyl.

TheEnglishGent said:

MMJas said:

So that could indicate he took them on purpose?

He took the Watson's/whatever pill it was, on purpose, they weren't supposed to have fentanyl in them. He didn't know he was ingesting the fentanyl.

Forget about the fentanyl. I meant he took the Watson one that were already too much a dose for a guy Prince's size?

MMJas said:

Superconductor said:

LBrent said:

RJOrion said:

MMJas said:

TheEnglishGent said:

He took the Watson's/whatever pill it was, on purpose, they weren't supposed to have fentanyl in them. He didn't know he was ingesting the fentanyl.

Forget about the fentanyl. I meant he took the Watson one that were already too much a dose for a guy Prince's size?

You can't forget the fentanyl, that was the lethal ingredient. The Watson was fine if it didn't contain the fentanyl.

TheEnglishGent said:

MMJas said:

Forget about the fentanyl. I meant he took the Watson one that were already too much a dose for a guy Prince's size?

You can't forget the fentanyl, that was the lethal ingredient. The Watson was fine if it didn't contain the fentanyl.

But what I took from the poster's comment I was commenting on originally was that even without the fentanyl the watson dosage would still be too much for someone Prince's size, meaning that even without the fentanyl he would have still OD fatally, perhaps. See where I'm getting at?

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said:

Can someone please post a link to the actual toxicology report that is the basis for the discussion? Released April 2017.

Because the OP is a link to a media report about the toxicology report but not the report itself.

Thanks.

The media report is all that is avalible someone leaked that info to the media.

Ok, thanks.

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MMJas said:

TheEnglishGent said:

You can't forget the fentanyl, that was the lethal ingredient. The Watson was fine if it didn't contain the fentanyl.

But what I took from the poster's comment I was commenting on originally was that even without the fentanyl the watson dosage would still be too much for someone Prince's size, meaning that even without the fentanyl he would have still OD fatally, perhaps. See where I'm getting at?

I understand what you're saying but that is not what was being said.

LBrent said:

Probably being the oldest person around here right now, I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. I think the way he had on the clothing that last day/night was intentional, where he was found was intentional, making arrangements the last year for his songs (Prince gave a POA to someone? P?), making amends with people he might have hurt in the past, etc. All of this was part of a plan because he was facing a medical crisis. Whether it was an opioid addiction and/or something else, he had a plan. This guy was OCD to the max. There was no way all of this randomly happened. JMO

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LBrent said:

Ok, let's try this again...A seizure is the most likely diagnosis to be derived from the symptoms displayed in Moline...The eye witness account to medical personnel that P "stopped talking in mid sentence and then stared off into space and was unresponsive" are consistant with petit mal seizure...not an overdose...

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Is it possibly that in addition to having a petit mal seizure he ALSO could have been in a state of overdose? Sure...why not...

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But his symptoms upon medical personnel's first contact, the ones that caused them to administer Narcan, were not based on the visual symptom because those are not consistant with overdose...

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My guess is that after seeing the display of symptoms, someone inexperienced with medical matters SAID something to EMS like hey, I think he might've overdosed on something...Not because they knew it to be fact, but because they were inexperienced in what they'd seen so they ASSUMED it to be true...

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And when you say you think someone has overdosed to EMS, just to be sure in case you're right, they'll give Narcan...then it's in your chart that you got Narcan...and any moron, like a reporter, can see Narcan and theorize Oh she got Narcan must be a druggie who od'd...

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We all know you have decades of medical experience, interestingly other people in addition to yourself also work in health care, and fully understand medical matters...I agree he could have had a seizure, in my opinion it sounds unlikely, but you and I and everyone here will never know, so it in not necessary for you to talk down to people that don't follow your lead...and I think a huge part of the non-medical population are smart enough and have had enough life experience to know the difference between a mini mal seizure and a drug overdose...

Most people do not know the difference. Most people think there is only one type of seizure and seem to be forgetting that Prince said out of his own mouth that he had them when he was young. Or discount what Mayte said about him complaining about headaches that were so bad they made him vomit which can be the beginning of a seizure and sometimes Diazepam is given to people with seizures.

It is ridiculous that people on this board seem to think that Prince was incapable of having any other medical problems at all when it appears that joint pain problems lead to the use of pain pills in the first place. Joint problems are medical problems and so are seizures.

1Sasha said:

Probably being the oldest person around here right now, I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. I think the way he had on the clothing that last day/night was intentional, where he was found was intentional, making arrangements the last year for his songs (Prince gave a POA to someone? P?), making amends with people he might have hurt in the past, etc. All of this was part of a plan because he was facing a medical crisis. Whether it was an opioid addiction and/or something else, he had a plan. This guy was OCD to the max. There was no way all of this randomly happened. JMO

Exactly he was not a random person. Many people have said he planned everything. Andre Cymone said from the time he first met Prince wrote down everything even the lines he was going to use on girls when they went to parties. Who does that as a teen?

He was OCD all the time and too many things in the last months of his life appear staged and planned as final stages for him being here. I think the thought he had a little more time thus the autobiograhpy but just ran out of time or decided he was done.

People need to wake up and realize there is no reason to be secretive about his drug use at this point and we have yet to have anyone come out and say "yes we got high all the time "or "I got him drugs back in the 80s". No rumors and no gossip about a life long dope head. People love to tell their business now a days and would gladly do it for the right amount of money.

We do not start hearing about pain pills until we start hearing about hip problems.

laurarichardson said:

ILOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Several people has said that he dabbled on and off with drugs. Several people came here who were on the crew and knew him.

It is not a fact that his clothing was on backwards. That has not been confirmed by any legit source.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Probably being the oldest person around here right now, I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. I think the way he had on the clothing that last day/night was intentional, where he was found was intentional, making arrangements the last year for his songs (Prince gave a POA to someone? P?), making amends with people he might have hurt in the past, etc. All of this was part of a plan because he was facing a medical crisis. Whether it was an opioid addiction and/or something else, he had a plan. This guy was OCD to the max. There was no way all of this randomly happened. JMO

Exactly he was not a random person. Many people have said he planned everything. Andre Cymone said from the time he first met Prince wrote down everything even the lines he was going to use on girls when they went to parties. Who does that as a teen?

He was OCD all the time and too many things in the last months of his life appear staged and planned as final stages for him being here. I think the thought he had a little more time thus the autobiograhpy but just ran out of time or decided he was done.

People need to wake up and realize there is no reason to be secretive about his drug use at this point and we have yet to have anyone come out and say "yes we got high all the time "or "I got him drugs back in the 80s". No rumors and no gossip about a life long dope head. People love to tell their business now a days and would gladly do it for the right amount of money.

We do not start hearing about pain pills until we start hearing about hip problems.

And let's also note that there were 2 shots of Narcan in Moline, not just 1.

Can someone give me the TL:DR on this thread?

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Probably being the oldest person around here right now, I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. I think the way he had on the clothing that last day/night was intentional, where he was found was intentional, making arrangements the last year for his songs (Prince gave a POA to someone? P?), making amends with people he might have hurt in the past, etc. All of this was part of a plan because he was facing a medical crisis. Whether it was an opioid addiction and/or something else, he had a plan. This guy was OCD to the max. There was no way all of this randomly happened. JMO

Exactly he was not a random person. Many people have said he planned everything. Andre Cymone said from the time he first met Prince wrote down everything even the lines he was going to use on girls when they went to parties. Who does that as a teen?

He was OCD all the time and too many things in the last months of his life appear staged and planned as final stages for him being here. I think the thought he had a little more time thus the autobiograhpy but just ran out of time or decided he was done.

People need to wake up and realize there is no reason to be secretive about his drug use at this point and we have yet to have anyone come out and say "yes we got high all the time "or "I got him drugs back in the 80s". No rumors and no gossip about a life long dope head. People love to tell their business now a days and would gladly do it for the right amount of money.

We do not start hearing about pain pills until we start hearing about hip problems.

I agree, LR.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

Who do they give their names? What is the legit source for that? Where is the source for two shots of Narcan? TMZ us not a legitimate source. PennyPurple said:

Several people has said that he dabbled on and off with drugs. Several people came here who were on the crew and knew him.

It is not a fact that his clothing was on backwards. That has not been confirmed by any legit source.

They don't have to give their names. I never said a thing about TMZ being the source, now did I? NO. YOU inserted that.

All this info has been in the numerous threads that of course have been deleted.

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PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Who do they give their names? What is the legit source for that? Where is the source for two shots of Narcan? TMZ us not a legitimate source. PennyPurple said:

They don't have to give their names. I never said a thing about TMZ being the source, now did I? NO. YOU inserted that.

All this info has been in the numerous threads that of course have been deleted.

No it has not. Not one creditable person has come forward. Not one. No one thinks Prince was some choir boy his nonstop women chasing tells us that. Many people have said he loved drinking wine and had a very good collection of wines but know one has said he was a recreational drug user and no recreational drug user worked as productively has he did for the long amount of time that he did.

Morris Hayes is saying that he recorded 10 albums from 2010 to 2016 and this is after his hip surgery when he was supposed to be having problems. No one is abusing drugs for 30- 40 years and getting the volume of work completed that he did. He also pissed off enough people that someone would have ratted him in a major way a long time ago and now without blinking an eyeball.

I read that when the tabs came to Minneapolis they got the doors slammed in their face and people told them there was nothing to tell. If you look in the Carver County court files he had one traffic ticket 10 years ago, yet he drove around his hometown all the time was he high while he was out driving?

No coincidences he knew his time was up.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

They don't have to give their names. I never said a thing about TMZ being the source, now did I? NO. YOU inserted that.

All this info has been in the numerous threads that of course have been deleted.

No it has not. Not one creditable person has come forward. Not one. No one thinks Prince was some choir boy his nonstop women chasing tells us that. Many people have said he loved drinking wine and had a very good collection of wines but know one has said he was a recreational drug user and no recreational drug user worked as productively has he did for the long amount of time that he did.

Morris Hayes is saying that he recorded 10 albums from 2010 to 2016 and this is after his hip surgery when he was supposed to be having problems. No one is abusing drugs for 30- 40 years and getting the volume of work completed that he did. He also pissed off enough people that someone would have ratted him in a major way a long time ago and now without blinking an eyeball.

I read that when the tabs came to Minneapolis they got the doors slammed in their face and people told them there was nothing to tell. If you look in the Carver County court files he had one traffic ticket 10 years ago, yet he drove around his hometown all the time was he high while he was out driving?

No coincidences he knew his time was up.

Yes, this info has been on other threads. The posters when they come here and tell us what was going on, they get ran off the damn forum. Did I say he used 24/7? No I did not.

Do you have credible sources for when the tabs came, they got the door slammed in their face? TMZ isn't a reliable source.

Do you have a reliable source for "No coincidences he knew his time was up"?