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Printablecloveringold85 said: I came across this interview with Dr. Drew. It's from last year, so some of his information is not accurate; however, he does provide some very good insight on what may have happened to Prince. . He explains that Opiates only makes pain worse. The key is for these doctor's to wean their patients off them as quickly as possible. . He also states that he believes Prince was "severely dependent", and not an addict. . He also says that usually when someone dies of a Fentanyl overdose; they take the pills, then go to bed and die in their sleep. The fact that Prince was found unresponsive in the elevator is still perplexing to many. . Anyways, around the 5:00 mark is when Dr. Drew starts talking about Prince. It starts breaking-up towards the end, but you will get the gist of it. .
http://wgnradio.com/2016/...-our-time/
On his show he said that very few people die from opiad overdoses unless they are mixed with other drugs or alcohol because you keep vomiting up everything. He also said in his show that what Judith described sounded like a seziure because she said he stopped speaking in mis sentence and his eyes became fixed. | |
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RJOrion said:
Ondansteron is a drug given to HIV/AIDS and cancer patients to help control nausea... Prince obviously had a very serious pre-existing condition...which corroborates the Chef's stories about P not being able to keep food down, and MAYBE even the stories that P may have had AIDS and was getting HIV/AIDS meds at the Walgreens... If he had AIDS he would have to be registered and were are the lawsuits? Why are women signing his praises and not suing or at least running their mouths to the media because he was not celibate for the last 10-20 years. People just talk to much someone would have squealed by now and it would not be some blind item on a gossip sight. I am thinking liver cancer especially after what I read about Walter Payton. He took pain pills for years due to football injuries and the pills ate his liver there are also some new treatments that can prolong your life a bit longer than in the past. [Edited 7/17/17 18:43pm] [Edited 7/17/17 18:44pm] | |
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: precioux said: See my reply #610. There were 2 controlled substances, odenasteron and ocycodone. Not sure why the odenestron is controlled unless it is similar to Lomotil, which has an opiate side to it, but is used for vomiting/diarrhea. Zofran is not a controlled substance, you need a prescription but it is not controlled I didn't think it was, but didn't look it up either-that warrant on post#535 says it's controlled-so much incorrect info .. | |
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precioux said: LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: Zofran is not a controlled substance, you need a prescription but it is not controlled I didn't think it was, but didn't look it up either-that warrant on post#535 says it's controlled-so much incorrect info .. Why is the warrant so sloppy. What was going with this investigation? | |
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Bodhitheblackdog said: Deep gratitude to everyone on this thread working so hard to get as close as possible to the truth of why we lost Prince too soon. The love expressed in all these efforts is palpable, powerful and ultimately will provide the balm for our collective grief. Blessings. I feel it too and thank you as well. | |
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As many doctors have said, he did not die from fentanyl it was a combo that stopped his breathing, which is why he may have been in that elevator trying to get out of building somehow, the thought of that is beyond sad and tragic . "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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laurarichardson said: precioux said: I didn't think it was, but didn't look it up either-that warrant on post#535 says it's controlled-so much incorrect info .. Why is the warrant so sloppy. What was going with this investigation? EXACTLY!!!!! WTF?! Now I believe it WAS a misprint in regards to the Watson "stamp" | |
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i hear you...but if it were Cancer, why all the smoke & mirrors and deception and Jedi-Mind Tricks?...why not just disclose it?...no stigma there... but if it were AIDS related, of course thats where the stigmas begin...and the early reports after the Moline incident were that it was indeed AIDS...God knows i wish that is not the case....but the longer this drags out , the little pieces that can be pieced together, look suspect....plus the report that all Paisly personnel were told to remove their belongings, he knew something was about to pop off...whether it would be something self inflicted, or externally administered, will forever be open to speculation....just like Sam Cooke and Donny Hathaway before him...but they were murdered...Prince, im afraid, did this to himself...i dont want to believe ANYONE would do that...but there are alot of signs pointing right at P...even Tyka, Morris and Dez quotes after he passed, led me to feel that Prince knew he wasnt gonna be here much longer...whether he did it to him himself intentionally or accidentally, only Prince knows...and he aint talking... why wiould there be lawsuits if he had AIDS?.... maybe he never gave it to anyone...maybe the people (persons) who did have it have already passed away...no one is just gonna come out and say..."Prince had AIDS???...OH nO!, I WAS SCREWING HIM, SO I HAVE IT TOO...IM SUING..."...it just doesnt work that way... who sued Magic Johnson???... he was fuckin everything movin in LA... i cant recall ANY celebrity that has/had AIDS being sued...can you? | |
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PennyPurple said:
That's true. And maybe that was the script from Walgreen's.
I've mentioned this before, maybe it could be throat or stomach cancer. ?? And the reason I say this is because my Dad, was having heartburn, and thought nothing of it, then he started having trouble eating, and swallowing, he went to the dr, had the scope done he had stomach cancer and less then 2 weeks later, died. He couldn't eat, he couldn't drink, it hurt to swallow. All of the symptoms the chefs said that Prince had, my dad had the same symptoms. I've felt it was cancer too. To me the way he looked towards the end presented that way in my mind. | |
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The ME report listed just fentanyl toxicity, not drug combo.
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No, did you see the fentanyl in his system on the toxicology results? It was HUGE, the amount he had in his system would kill many people. | |
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See the levels of fentanyl? HUGE. | |
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The celeb's settle prior to any lawsuit being filed. | |
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disch said: The ME report listed just fentanyl toxicity, not drug combo.
Sorry if this did not paste correctly, but this is the original link in the OP. I think everyone here needs to read this in its entirety. It explains a lot of the questions we have. It also verifies that the drug "cocktail" was a combo of fentanyl,lidocaine and U-4770. Fentanyl was the lethal ingredient, but the 24 illicit pills tested contained the above referenced drugs, according to the forensic chemist. http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E | |
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yes but it was the fentanyl alone that killed him -- the fentanyl dose was massive and not survivable.
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laurarichardson said: I love how no one can just say they lied. I also love how so many people brought into the Percocet nonsense because it came from TMZ. We have been led to believe he was not a user if Fentenyl based on previous test and we are not so sure he would have been unconscious from Percocets or the level Oxyodrone for almost 20 minutes from the time the call went out to the tower and the plane landed. So we really do not too much about Moline at all ___ disch said: I agree that it seems unlikely that Prince ODed on legit percocet on the plane. My guess is that he ODed on the counterfeit stuff. - The only info we have about the plane OD from witnesses cited in the warrant, and those are hardly consistent. Only one warrant mentions percocet specifically, and that was in the context of what Kirk allegedly told Moline doctors, not the detectives: "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet." - None of the warrants cite anyone telling detectives directly that Prince took percocet, only that Prince admitted to taking 1-2 “pain pills"" or that the plane "had to make an emergency landing because of health concerns." - The gist for me is that none of these witnesses were necessarily providing complete and accurate info about the nature of his first OD, either because they honestly didn't know what he took or because they were being intentionally vague (and that might include Prince himself).
[Edited 7/17/17 14:45pm] I believe he od'd on Percocet because Dr S prescribed it to Kirk BUT FOR Prince the same day he overdosed on the plane. Dr S admitted this on the 21st. The orange pills found at PP might have been Percocet and might have been something else. It seems funny that whoever listed the drugs on the warrant wouldn't have written "Percocet", since legal percocet is stamped as such. If it wasn't stamped it could have been anything. Put some water in that scotch so maybe we can understand what you are trying to say LR. | |
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That's exactly what I said "Fentanyl was the lethal ingredient " And speaking of the massive dose, if you break these numbers down and relate them mathematically to Prince assuming these pills were "Watson 385" Vicodin's....the amount would've still been lethal, presuming these individual pills contained any sort of resemblance in makeup to one another.JS disch said: yes but it was the fentanyl alone that killed him -- the fentanyl dose was massive and not survivable.
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laurarichardson said: cloveringold85 said: I came across this interview with Dr. Drew. It's from last year, so some of his information is not accurate; however, he does provide some very good insight on what may have happened to Prince. . He explains that Opiates only makes pain worse. The key is for these doctor's to wean their patients off them as quickly as possible. . He also states that he believes Prince was "severely dependent", and not an addict. . He also says that usually when someone dies of a Fentanyl overdose; they take the pills, then go to bed and die in their sleep. The fact that Prince was found unresponsive in the elevator is still perplexing to many. . Anyways, around the 5:00 mark is when Dr. Drew starts talking about Prince. It starts breaking-up towards the end, but you will get the gist of it. .
http://wgnradio.com/2016/...-our-time/
On his show he said that very few people die from opiad overdoses unless they are mixed with other drugs or alcohol because you keep vomiting up everything. He also said in his show that what Judith described sounded like a seziure because she said he stopped speaking in mis sentence and his eyes became fixed. Opioid overdose death 2016 facts https://www.asam.org/docs...igures.pdf Dr Drew is great on Teen Mom tho. We know Prince overdose on the plane was opioids because narcan revived him. [Edited 7/17/17 20:54pm] | |
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I think the orange pills were likely ondansetron. One of them was imprinted "#8" which is what ondansetron is. I think that legit pills stamped A-349 (as were some pills found at PP) are generic percocet. - One reason I think it's less likely he ODed on legit percocet was because that would require taking a lot of pills and my suspicion is that Prince was pretty experienced with opioids at that point and would be less likely to make an error like that. Plus it was reported that he also had his illicit stash with him on the plane. - I do definitely think he ODed on opioids on the plane (for one, because the warrant said that the Moline doctor confirmed that fact to the detective); it's just the specific opioid that I'm questioning.
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disch said: I think the orange pills were likely ondansetron. One of them was imprinted "#8" which is what ondansetron is. I think that legit pills stamped A-349 (as were some pills found at PP) are generic percocet. - One reason I think it's less likely he ODed on legit percocet was because that would require taking a lot of pills and my suspicion is that Prince was pretty experienced with opioids at that point and would be less likely to make an error like that. Plus it was reported that he also had his illicit stash with him on the plane. - I do definitely think he ODed on opioids on the plane (for one, because the warrant said that the Moline doctor confirmed that fact to the detective); it's just the specific opioid that I'm questioning.
[Edited 7/17/17 21:18pm] How do you get the purple word link? Are you on an iPhone? | |
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laurarichardson said:On his show he said that very few people die from opiad overdoses unless they are mixed with other drugs or alcohol because you keep vomiting up everything. He also said in his show that what Judith described sounded like a seziure because she said he stopped speaking in mis sentence and his eyes became fixed.moonsister said:Opioid overdose death 2016 facts https://www.asam.org/docs...igures.pdf Dr Drew is great on Teen Mom tho. We know Prince overdose on the plane was opioids because narcan revived him. [Edited 7/17/17 20:54pm]
Actually, that's NOT true...
What was reported by JH to the authorities in Moline was that P stopped talking and stared blankly...to HER untrained eye this behaviour was speculated to the medical personnel that she THOUGHT it was an overdose... . Whenever EMS arrives and there is a question that someone MIGHT be in overdose, the protocol is to administer the "save shot" just in case...If the victim is in overdose, it's to try to reverse that...If the victim is not in overdose, the "save shot" won't harm them... . But here's the thing...A non-medical person seeing the symptoms P exhibited, to their mind it's *Occam's Razor cuz they aren't trained to notice the nuances of symptoms that resemble one thing but a trained medical person will know is something else. . Based on what she saw, she assumed some sort of overdose, when in fact the symptoms were most likely a petit mal seizure...Most folks think of seizure as the dramatic thrashing/jerking ones, but there are seizures that a non trained person wouldn't even notice, let alone recognize... . *Occam's Razor - The idea that the simplest conclusion to a problem is most likely to be the right conclusion...Often termed as "if you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras"... | |
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Ha no I never even attempt links from my iphone! - I'm on a laptop computer right now. To link, I highlight the words I want to link and then click the little chain-link icon at the top of the comment box, and put the URL I want to link to in the "link URL" field on the box that pops up.
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LBrent said:
laurarichardson said:On his show he said that very few people die from opiad overdoses unless they are mixed with other drugs or alcohol because you keep vomiting up everything. He also said in his show that what Judith described sounded like a seziure because she said he stopped speaking in mis sentence and his eyes became fixed.
Actually, that's NOT true...
What was reported by JH to the authorities in Moline was that P stopped talking and stared blankly...to HER untrained eye this behaviour was speculated to the medical personnel that she THOUGHT it was an overdose... . Whenever EMS arrives and there is a question that someone MIGHT be in overdose, the protocol is to administer the "save shot" just in case...If the victim is in overdose, it's to try to reverse that...If the victim is not in overdose, the "save shot" won't harm them... . But here's the thing...A non-medical person seeing the symptoms P exhibited, to their mind it's *Occam's Razor cuz they aren't trained to notice the nuances of symptoms that resemble one thing but a trained medical person will know is something else. . Based on what she saw, she assumed some sort of overdose, when in fact the symptoms were most likely a petit mal seizure...Most folks think of seizure as the dramatic thrashing/jerking ones, but there are seizures that a non trained person wouldn't even notice, let alone recognize... . *Occam's Razor - The idea that the simplest conclusion to a problem is most likely to be the right conclusion...Often termed as "if you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras"... Of course it is possible he had a seizure, it is also very possible he overdosed... | |
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LBrent where did you read that JH assumed an overdose? In her NYTimes interview, the reporter said that JH "had never seen anything like that happen to him and had no idea what caused his condition." - Did she go into it somewhere else?
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Ok, if JH didn't say it and it wasn't posted here somewhere in an earlier searchable thread closer to 4/21, then let's say "Egbert" said it because seriously, the point in what I'm trying to illustrate is not who tf exactly said what...the point is that it was said...and that WHOMever said it was clearly not looking at an overdose...The symptoms described are more in line with a petit mal seizure... . So in fact, instead of the hoofbeats being horses as most people would assume cuz it seems more obvious, a trained medical observer, such as Dr Drew and several others including my damned self and others in the medical profession here on the Org, easily discount horses cuz we know the sound of zebras... . But let's see...What's the damned pilot's name and shoe size? Or the favourite gum flavour of guy who put P on the gurney cuz knowing that will further the topic to find out what actually happened...Nevermind...Not important...Geebus... .
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:Of course it is possible he had a seizure, it is also very possible he overdosed... Ok, let's try this again...A seizure is the most likely diagnosis to be derived from the symptoms displayed in Moline...The eye witness account to medical personnel that P "stopped talking in mid sentence and then stared off into space and was unresponsive" are consistant with petit mal seizure...not an overdose... . Is it possibly that in addition to having a petit mal seizure he ALSO could have been in a state of overdose? Sure...why not... . But his symptoms upon medical personnel's first contact, the ones that caused them to administer Narcan, were not based on the visual symptom because those are not consistant with overdose... . My guess is that after seeing the display of symptoms, someone inexperienced with medical matters SAID something to EMS like hey, I think he might've overdosed on something...Not because they knew it to be fact, but because they were inexperienced in what they'd seen so they ASSUMED it to be true... . And when you say you think someone has overdosed to EMS, just to be sure in case you're right, they'll give Narcan...then it's in your chart that you got Narcan...and any moron, like a reporter, can see Narcan and theorize Oh she got Narcan must be a druggie who od'd... [Edited 7/17/17 22:09pm] | |
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Well that was a serious question on my part -- I thought you had seen another interview or something where she had gone into more detail on this. - As far as it being a petit mal seizure unrelated to opioids, it's hard for me to align that theory with, among other things, the warrant that said that "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose."
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Ok...Again...Tryna pass on knowledge and help in understanding, but...Nevermond....Believe whatever you like...
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disch said: Ha no I never even attempt links from my iphone! - I'm on a laptop computer right now. To link, I highlight the words I want to link and then click the little chain-link icon at the top of the comment box, and put the URL I want to link to in the "link URL" field on the box that pops up.
Thanks for that info I'll have to practice it. Most of us have accepted the plane landing was caused by an opioid overdose and thank you for the direct medical link proving it. This warrant also states the bottle said to contain the ondansetron contained Percocet. And the warrant states on the 20th Kirk picked up scrips for Prince from Dr S for clonidine used for opiate withdrawal among other things, hydroxyzine pamoate used for anxiety and anti nausea and vomiting, and diazepam used for anxiety. Kirk claimed he did not know Prince was addicted to drugs. [Edited 7/17/17 23:35pm] | |
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It is hard to believe that the closest circle around Prince didn't know what was going on. But denying knowledge of the problem is not the same as being responsible for the tragic outcome. Prince was ultimately responsible for the choices he made in his life and in relation to his addiction problem. Now the fans who still can't believe it need to take this in and digest it. Sorry no pun intended ...every night another symphony... | |
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