lastdecember said:

So I think what people kind of keep trying to avoid because they want this to be something "sinnister corrupt" or someone else's fault. What if because of PRINCE's privacy he was using Kirk J to get things in his name. Whether PRINCE was "hooked' Or really in the most severe pain but those who know what he was taking or that he found on him, taking "more" would not get rid of pain it in fact woutl allow more pain and basically be like him not taking anything, his body would be immune at a certain point. I know that we think NO WAY could this intelligent talented man get "hooked" but i think the writing is on the wall that "someone" Kirk J was getting him various things that he should not have, now I dont know why and I know no one wants to say Kirk J was the reason I just think that Prince may have been closing ranks and had very few around him at this point because LESS people could talk, and Kirk J was a very close and trusted friend and employee, Primce couild have him do anything.

Dibblekins said:

An apparently 'reliable source' who worked at PP has been quoted in the FB group of which I am a member, saying that a week or so before the fatal incident, P instructed everyone / all employees to remove all of their belongings from PP.

Yes, he did...he instructed JH to go home, he asked his other bodygaurd Chris Gathier to return to Dallas/take a vacation, and KJ had a "preplanned" vacation that he went on 5 days after Prince's death...now how did KJ make a "preplanned" vacation in the middle of the PAAM tour??

Edit bodygaurd's name from Paul to Chris

[Edited 7/17/17 13:04pm]

DD55 said:

lastdecember said:

So I think what people kind of keep trying to avoid because they want this to be something "sinnister corrupt" or someone else's fault. What if because of PRINCE's privacy he was using Kirk J to get things in his name. Whether PRINCE was "hooked' Or really in the most severe pain but those who know what he was taking or that he found on him, taking "more" would not get rid of pain it in fact woutl allow more pain and basically be like him not taking anything, his body would be immune at a certain point. I know that we think NO WAY could this intelligent talented man get "hooked" but i think the writing is on the wall that "someone" Kirk J was getting him various things that he should not have, now I dont know why and I know no one wants to say Kirk J was the reason I just think that Prince may have been closing ranks and had very few around him at this point because LESS people could talk, and Kirk J was a very close and trusted friend and employee, Primce couild have him do anything.

We know what was found and collected from the search warrant. However, we don’t know what drugs or other items he ‘had on him’ when he was found. We don’t know what else was found in the elevator, as those items would be collected at the scene and not part of the search warrant. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong on this point.)

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We know the toxicology levels, but we don’t know how many he took, or if he chewed them (for faster and instant release of drugs). If he chewed them, maybe that is why/how so much was metabolized and liver levels so high so quickly. (Full disclosure, I’m not a medical professional.)

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We believe that he didn’t know he was taking illicit pills, but we will never really know for sure unless documentation appears (not holding my breath). Some of us can’t believe he got them all by himself, others believe he had the internet skills purchase them himself (heck, he didn’t even need money, he could just trade with someone for a song/cd/mp3, literally).

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Assuming that he didn’t know they were illicit, if we knew how many pills he took, that may point us in the direction of his intent that night, if he took many pills that would have caused an OD even if they were the real deal (suicide vs accident).

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As for the documentation that said accidental, there is that grey area where the coroner could argue accident, and rather than create a fire storm of media coverage just leave it as accidential.

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And we will never know, because no one will talk because of anticipated fans’ reactions. We, the fans, want to blame someone… who got the pills for him, who left him alone, who was with him that last day, who should have been there, who knew he needed help; put a name to any of these questions and there would be a riot in Minnie.

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Peace, DD55

Okay, BUT..if Prince thought the illicit pills were Vicodin (less potent) and was in pain and wanted the stronger medication, why grab for the lesser of the 2? Oxycodone (KJ's script)is 1.5 times stronger than Vicodin...it makes no sense if the intent was to relieve pain and presumably Prince thought the Vicodin were legit.

precioux said:

Dibblekins said:

An apparently 'reliable source' who worked at PP has been quoted in the FB group of which I am a member, saying that a week or so before the fatal incident, P instructed everyone / all employees to remove all of their belongings from PP.

Yes, he did...he instructed JH to go home, he asked his other bodygaurd Paul to return to Dallas/take a vacation, and KJ had a "preplanned" vacation that he went on 5 days after Prince's death...now how did KJ make a "preplanned" vacation in the middle of the PAAM tour??

He made his vacation plans because P told him to and P had already told the promotor to hold off on annoucing the additional shows. I think he made up his mine sometime after seeing Dr. S on the 7th.

I think he had other underlying health issues either due to those pills or other issues.

I do not think he was the kind of man that would waffle on matters concerning his money he did not annouce those additional shows because he knew the chances of being able to perform were slim.

No one was working at Paisley Park all engineers and musicians finsihed working on projects in January before he went on tour. This is a facility standing with no work being done to pay the bills. Everything appears to have whined down to the bare expenses in the last year of his life.

Can anyone see the big picture?

precioux said:

Dibblekins said:

An apparently 'reliable source' who worked at PP has been quoted in the FB group of which I am a member, saying that a week or so before the fatal incident, P instructed everyone / all employees to remove all of their belongings from PP.

The handwriting was on the wall. Prince realized, even through the fog of his drug dependance, that there was no way it would be kept secret if he went to rehab. Admitting addiction was not part of "the perfect picture" he painted of and for himself to actualize. He was quoted here recently from an interview (forgive me for paraphrasing)' when I don't like something, I just ignore it, and it goes away.' That may work for stalling your career, blowing up your marriages, or breaking hearts left and right...it doesn't work with drug addiction. It never just goes away. Someone on the Org. just asked where I've been on this thread.A few hours ago I got in my car, inserted Lovesexy, turned it up to 10, lowered the windows and went for a long drive. People grieve in different ways.

precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

moonsister said:

precioux said:

moonsister,

Please RE-read NACN post#535. It explains what was found (warrant). It also states the pills were prescribed on 4/7/16..not the day of the plane incident in Moline. Agree that KJ will never admit.

EDIT:for #535

[Edited 7/17/17 12:02pm]

Page 4 last paragraph of the search warrant states the scrip was written the same day as the plane landing. http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-22.pdf

So, is there inconsistancies in the warrant, being that in one section it clearly states the meds were prescribed and filled on 4/7/16 and this states a different date? It would not surprise me being that the illicit Vicodin supposedly had a stamp of 385, then the warrant stated they were stamped 853 (or vice versa, I'm going from memory- but one of the stamps is still in circulation, as the other is not)

moonsister said:

precioux said:

Okay, BUT..if Prince thought the illicit pills were Vicodin (less potent) and was in pain and wanted the stronger medication, why grab for the lesser of the 2? Oxycodone (KJ's script)is 1.5 times stronger than Vicodin...it makes no sense if the intent was to relieve pain and presumably Prince thought the Vicodin were legit.

A week earlier he had od'd on Kirk's scrip, that might have put him off those particular pills.

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DD55

Dibblekins said:

An apparently 'reliable source' who worked at PP has been quoted in the FB group of which I am a member, saying that a week or so before the fatal incident, P instructed everyone / all employees to remove all of their belongings from PP.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Yes, he did...he instructed JH to go home, he asked his other bodygaurd Paul to return to Dallas/take a vacation, and KJ had a "preplanned" vacation that he went on 5 days after Prince's death...now how did KJ make a "preplanned" vacation in the middle of the PAAM tour??

He made his vacation plans because P told him to and P had already told the promotor to hold off on annoucing the additional shows. I think he made up his mine sometime after seeing Dr. S on the 7th.

I think he had other underlying health issues either due to those pills or other issues.

I do not think he was the kind of man that would waffle on matters concerning his money he did not annouce those additional shows because he knew the chances of being able to perform were slim.

No one was working at Paisley Park all engineers and musicians finsihed working on projects in January before he went on tour. This is a facility standing with no work being done to pay the bills. Everything appears to have whined down to the bare expenses in the last year of his life.

Can anyone see the big picture?

Can you please clear this up? in post#574 moonsister is stating that the meds were (as per warrant) prescribed and dispensed on 4/14/16...which contradicts the other warrant clip posted in reply#535 stating Dr. S prescribed and meds were filled on 4/7/16...not the day of the incident in Moline...is there really THAT many inconsistancies in the warrants???????????????

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Dibblekins said:

An apparently 'reliable source' who worked at PP has been quoted in the FB group of which I am a member, saying that a week or so before the fatal incident, P instructed everyone / all employees to remove all of their belongings from PP.

The handwriting was on the wall. Prince realized, even through the fog of his drug dependance, that there was no way it would be kept secret if he went to rehab. Admitting addiction was not part of "the perfect picture" he painted of and for himself to actualize. He was quoted here recently from an interview (forgive me for paraphrasing)' when I don't like something, I just ignore it, and it goes away.' That may work for stalling your career, blowing up your marriages, or breaking hearts left and right...it doesn't work with drug addiction. It never just goes away. Someone on the Org. just asked where I've been on this thread.A few hours ago I got in my car, inserted Lovesexy, turned it up to 10, lowered the windows and went for a long drive. People grieve in different ways.

moonsister said:

precioux said:

Okay, BUT..if Prince thought the illicit pills were Vicodin (less potent) and was in pain and wanted the stronger medication, why grab for the lesser of the 2? Oxycodone (KJ's script)is 1.5 times stronger than Vicodin...it makes no sense if the intent was to relieve pain and presumably Prince thought the Vicodin were legit.

A week earlier he had od'd on Kirk's scrip, that might have put him off those particular pills.

yeah, but here's the thing...in order to OD on legit pain pills (and nothing else), you have to take an a$$load of them (especially if your body has gained tolerance...yes, LR, I know you hate that word)...being there were pills leftover at PP presumeably from the KJ script, I highly doubt it.

moonsister said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

The handwriting was on the wall. Prince realized, even through the fog of his drug dependance, that there was no way it would be kept secret if he went to rehab. Admitting addiction was not part of "the perfect picture" he painted of and for himself to actualize. He was quoted here recently from an interview (forgive me for paraphrasing)' when I don't like something, I just ignore it, and it goes away.' That may work for stalling your career, blowing up your marriages, or breaking hearts left and right...it doesn't work with drug addiction. It never just goes away. Someone on the Org. just asked where I've been on this thread.A few hours ago I got in my car, inserted Lovesexy, turned it up to 10, lowered the windows and went for a long drive. People grieve in different ways.

He goes to rehab under an assumed name. And he would not have needed 24 of the fentanyl laced pills to kill himself, especially mixed in with pills that did not contain fentanyl. How would he have known which pill to take? "I'd like to buy 100 illicit Vicodin but make 24 of them poison so I can kill myself at a random time". No, he didn't kill himself.

Only 24 were TESTED...I'm quite sure the other 98 1/2 or whatever were laced with fentanyl as well.

I'm surprised BabyN isn't on here screaming LIBEL for mentioning names.

DD55 said:

Precioux, ok good point.

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Moonsister, I believe we really don’t know for sure what he od’ed on in Moline, only that either K or P said it was a couple Vicodin.

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Possibilities on the 21st:

He knew what he was taking

He was saving the Oxy for another trip or something, rationing his best meds (IDK, just brain storming)

He had everything in different bottles, and he didn’t feel like looking for the oxy when Vicodin was handy so took them

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.......and now the discussion is getting way too free and honest, so expect someone to shut it down soon.

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DD55

DD55 said:

lastdecember said:

So I think what people kind of keep trying to avoid because they want this to be something "sinnister corrupt" or someone else's fault. What if because of PRINCE's privacy he was using Kirk J to get things in his name. Whether PRINCE was "hooked' Or really in the most severe pain but those who know what he was taking or that he found on him, taking "more" would not get rid of pain it in fact woutl allow more pain and basically be like him not taking anything, his body would be immune at a certain point. I know that we think NO WAY could this intelligent talented man get "hooked" but i think the writing is on the wall that "someone" Kirk J was getting him various things that he should not have, now I dont know why and I know no one wants to say Kirk J was the reason I just think that Prince may have been closing ranks and had very few around him at this point because LESS people could talk, and Kirk J was a very close and trusted friend and employee, Primce couild have him do anything.

We know what was found and collected from the search warrant. However, we don’t know what drugs or other items he ‘had on him’ when he was found. We don’t know what else was found in the elevator, as those items would be collected at the scene and not part of the search warrant. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong on this point.)

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We know the toxicology levels, but we don’t know how many he took, or if he chewed them (for faster and instant release of drugs). If he chewed them, maybe that is why/how so much was metabolized and liver levels so high so quickly. (Full disclosure, I’m not a medical professional.)

.

We believe that he didn’t know he was taking illicit pills, but we will never really know for sure unless documentation appears (not holding my breath). Some of us can’t believe he got them all by himself, others believe he had the internet skills purchase them himself (heck, he didn’t even need money, he could just trade with someone for a song/cd/mp3, literally).

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Assuming that he didn’t know they were illicit, if we knew how many pills he took, that may point us in the direction of his intent that night, if he took many pills that would have caused an OD even if they were the real deal (suicide vs accident).

.

As for the documentation that said accidental, there is that grey area where the coroner could argue accident, and rather than create a fire storm of media coverage just leave it as accidential.

.

And we will never know, because no one will talk because of anticipated fans’ reactions. We, the fans, want to blame someone… who got the pills for him, who left him alone, who was with him that last day, who should have been there, who knew he needed help; put a name to any of these questions and there would be a riot in Minnie.

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Peace, DD55

The Detectives would have listed everything found. They would need a search warrant to remove these items from the elevator.

precioux said:

moonsister said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: He goes to rehab under an assumed name. And he would not have needed 24 of the fentanyl laced pills to kill himself, especially mixed in with pills that did not contain fentanyl. How would he have known which pill to take? "I'd like to buy 100 illicit Vicodin but make 24 of them poison so I can kill myself at a random time". No, he didn't kill himself.

Only 24 were TESTED...I'm quite sure the other 98 1/2 or whatever were laced with fentanyl as well.

This is a true statement.

Precioux, from my understanding Dr. S wrote a scripts on both visits. But only one script for opiates.

The rehab facility was not an inpatient facility so he wouldnt need to go under an assumed name.

DD55 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

Only 24 were TESTED...I'm quite sure the other 98 1/2 or whatever were laced with fentanyl as well.

This is a true statement.

Precioux, from my understanding Dr. S wrote a scripts on both visits. But only one script for opiates.

The rehab facility was not an inpatient facility so he wouldnt need to go under an assumed name.

And those 2 visits were on 4/7/16 and 4/20/16, not 4/14/16-correct?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

lastdecember said:

So I think what people kind of keep trying to avoid because they want this to be something "sinnister corrupt" or someone else's fault. What if because of PRINCE's privacy he was using Kirk J to get things in his name. Whether PRINCE was "hooked' Or really in the most severe pain but those who know what he was taking or that he found on him, taking "more" would not get rid of pain it in fact woutl allow more pain and basically be like him not taking anything, his body would be immune at a certain point. I know that we think NO WAY could this intelligent talented man get "hooked" but i think the writing is on the wall that "someone" Kirk J was getting him various things that he should not have, now I dont know why and I know no one wants to say Kirk J was the reason I just think that Prince may have been closing ranks and had very few around him at this point because LESS people could talk, and Kirk J was a very close and trusted friend and employee, Primce couild have him do anything.

Lest we not forget in an interview with Cheryl Johnson aka CJ aka(Billy Jack Bitch) that Prince admitted to her that she was his "worst enemy" and that anyone in his life with the last name "Johnson" he deemed to be either an outright enemy or truest friend. Wonder if KJ was truly a wolf in sheep's clothing (Jubilant Judas)? If I need to provide the link to the article, I will.

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You may remember when Prince said: "A real friend and mentor is not on your payroll."

-- (Prince acceptance speech, R&R Hall of Fame, 2004)

Recovery Without Walls is outpatient treatment.

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

NotACleverName said:

precioux said:

Can you please clear this up? in post#574 moonsister is stating that the meds were (as per warrant) prescribed and dispensed on 4/14/16...which contradicts the other warrant clip posted in reply#535 stating Dr. S prescribed and meds were filled on 4/7/16...not the day of the incident in Moline...is there really THAT many inconsistancies in the warrants???????????????

The meds were all found in different pill bottles so, I would imagine that the Detectives sorted the info out as the investigation progressed. In other words, while they found various pills/bottles, they did not know for certain when each med was prescribed until details were revealed/discovered. That is why dates may conflict in the various warrants. Search warrants were listed on various days proceeding 4/21. Am I making sense?

Yes, you are making sense-but according to the warrant (and I'm assuming the date on the bottle itself) that KJ was seen and the pills were dispensed (as per bottle) on 4/7/16,no?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

precioux said: