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Reply #840 posted 06/19/17 7:43pm

moonsister

Bodhitheblackdog said:



laurarichardson said:




Bodhitheblackdog said:



Hey herb4, thanks for your point of view and patience in elucidating it ad infinitum. I agree totally, especially the bolded above. A little theory of mine is that BC Prince 'changed up' his appearance and music so frequently , and was around for so long, he was able convince numerous and diverse groups of fans that they 'knew' the real Prince. Hell, Prince didn't know the real Prince! Yet each era of fandom is heavily invested in protecting 'their' Prince...so on the org. we get this echo chamber of denial, lack of logic, sheer ignorance and those who are bullied into submission by LR, etc.whose life is selling the not-my-Prince party line. I'm in Occam's Gang and being much older than the average org. member I've seen, done, experienced and survived A LOT. So, when I hear of someone being found dead in an elevator with their clothes on backwards and their vitamin bottles filled with street drugs...my first thought isn't that a car hit them.



No one on this board thinks he was hit by a car either. Pleny of people who actually knew have said he was not a drug addict and that we do not know the whole story. These statements are not being made up by orgers.



Loads of other things that are factual have not been fabricated by anyone on this board. What do not need is the continual project of ex-drug addicts telling us we do not understand addictions and giving us the same old tired stories about tolerence when obviously tolerence does not make a person look like a cancer patient on his last legs like Prince does in many of the pics popping up on the internet today but do not let the pics or the 65k on his inventory sheet for medical expenses mean anything to you.



I recently incurred a 33K medical bill for a 48 hr. hospitalization so 65K isn't a lot to spend if you've destroyed your liver, your digestive system no longer works, your throat hurts and you can't keep food down, etc. A body assaulted by these ailments won't look too hot...cancer isn't the only thing that takes people out.



I had a 65k hospital, surgeon, anesthesia etc bill for a heart surgery where I didn't even spend the night. Medical expenses add up fast.
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Reply #841 posted 06/19/17 7:56pm

sonshine

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Thank you herb4 and Bodhittheblackdog for chiming in here. Some days i wonder if i'm the crazy one, but you remind me of the true craziness that has taken over the org.

The saddest part with some orgers and posters here is that they don't realize its because of people like them and their attitudes that prevent people like Prince getting the help they desperately need and want. The fierce denial here that Prince struggled with addiction is glaring proof how despicable they find such a condition. The ignorance is mind-blowing. I'm heartbroken that his "fans" would get in the way of what he needed to survive.

Instead he and so many others battling substance abuse live in fear of being found out. They fear the humiliation and ostracizing. They fear losing their jobs, their homes, their families, their friends, their fans, THEIR EVERY REASON TO EXIST.

Think about this: It was announced this evening on the national news that OPIOID OVERDOSES ARE NOW THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN AMERICANS UNDER AGE 50.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #842 posted 06/19/17 8:17pm

Bodhitheblackd
og

sonshine said:

Thank you herb4 and Bodhittheblackdog for chiming in here. Some days i wonder if i'm the crazy one, but you remind me of the true craziness that has taken over the org. The saddest part with some orgers and posters here is that they don't realize its because of people like them and their attitudes that prevent people like Prince getting the help they desperately need and want. The fierce denial here that Prince struggled with addiction is glaring proof how despicable they find such a condition. The ignorance is mind-blowing. I'm heartbroken that his "fans" would get in the way of what he needed to survive. Instead he and so many others battling substance abuse live in fear of being found out. They fear the humiliation and ostracizing. They fear losing their jobs, their homes, their families, their friends, their fans, THEIR EVERY REASON TO EXIST. Think about this: It was announced this evening on the national news that OPIOID OVERDOSES ARE NOW THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN AMERICANS UNDER AGE 50.

Thank YOU, Sonshine for your eloquence. DENIAL=DEATH...let's not go there when we can instead be living for love. xo

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Reply #843 posted 06/19/17 8:38pm

Mumio

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laurarichardson said:

That is exactly what many of us have been saying. See no one on here thinks he abducted by aliens or killed by the illumantti. We just do not think he was solely addicted to pain pills. In fact those that are on the drug addict narrative cannot seem to get into their noggins that he might have been overusing those meds because he was in pain from organ issues or cancer.

( Which to me is so what if he was pain so be it )

They continue to ignore the damage these meds can do to the organs over the long haul Rx or no Rx. I know he did not have those medical expenses from buying illegal drugs. If you had a bill for staying two days that went into 33k what do you think Prince might have been dealing with at 65k.

At some point people have to take a look at the entire stituation in a realistic manner. More info spilled out today that has more conveinced than ever that there is more to this story


There are several of us here who also saw this along with you earlier today. Waiting to hear more though.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #844 posted 06/19/17 10:00pm

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I'm not saying he didn't have other health issues. He was 57 years old after all. But let's not forget something: what was the treatment being sought for him at the time of his death? What condition urgently needed medical care at that very moment? What ailment was of greatest concern?

If you are willing to believe he suffered ill effects from years of opiate use what are we doing here? Technically we all agree then he was a substance abuser.

The how's, why's, where's, and when's are of no interest to me. But there are those who need someone or something else to blame for what happened. It can't be his fault. That's the only way to accept it. It's just too bad you can't work it out on your own rather than at the expense of the org and its other members.

The last 14 months have been ugly. I apologize for my involvement and need to try harder to stay out of these threads. I feel bad if his fans are a reflection of him because he deserves better.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #845 posted 06/20/17 2:32am

laurarichardso
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moonsister said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:



laurarichardson said:




Bodhitheblackdog said:



Hey herb4, thanks for your point of view and patience in elucidating it ad infinitum. I agree totally, especially the bolded above. A little theory of mine is that BC Prince 'changed up' his appearance and music so frequently , and was around for so long, he was able convince numerous and diverse groups of fans that they 'knew' the real Prince. Hell, Prince didn't know the real Prince! Yet each era of fandom is heavily invested in protecting 'their' Prince...so on the org. we get this echo chamber of denial, lack of logic, sheer ignorance and those who are bullied into submission by LR, etc.whose life is selling the not-my-Prince party line. I'm in Occam's Gang and being much older than the average org. member I've seen, done, experienced and survived A LOT. So, when I hear of someone being found dead in an elevator with their clothes on backwards and their vitamin bottles filled with street drugs...my first thought isn't that a car hit them.



No one on this board thinks he was hit by a car either. Pleny of people who actually knew have said he was not a drug addict and that we do not know the whole story. These statements are not being made up by orgers.



Loads of other things that are factual have not been fabricated by anyone on this board. What do not need is the continual project of ex-drug addicts telling us we do not understand addictions and giving us the same old tired stories about tolerence when obviously tolerence does not make a person look like a cancer patient on his last legs like Prince does in many of the pics popping up on the internet today but do not let the pics or the 65k on his inventory sheet for medical expenses mean anything to you.



I recently incurred a 33K medical bill for a 48 hr. hospitalization so 65K isn't a lot to spend if you've destroyed your liver, your digestive system no longer works, your throat hurts and you can't keep food down, etc. A body assaulted by these ailments won't look too hot...cancer isn't the only thing that takes people out.



I had a 65k hospital, surgeon, anesthesia etc bill for a heart surgery where I didn't even spend the night. Medical expenses add up fast.

--You are kind of proving my point.
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Reply #846 posted 06/20/17 4:29am

1Sasha

I have said before I think he took the pills to treat himself physically and emotionally. Jennifer Matesa, whom I respect, is a recovering addict - she used doctor-prescribed Fentanyl for years. She called Prince a junkie early on; she said that was not meant with malice, but that as a fellow user she could understand what he had gone through and why he was using. She called herself a junkie. So we have to accept that he was using for a long time, but also accept the possibility that he had other medical and emotional issues which contributed to the need for these drugs.

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Reply #847 posted 06/20/17 4:33am

fortuneandsere
ndipity

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[Edited 6/20/17 4:39am]

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #848 posted 06/20/17 4:39am

fortuneandsere
ndipity

Mumio said:


laurarichardson said:


That is exactly what many of us have been saying. See no one on here thinks he
abducted by aliens or killed by the illumantti. We just do not think he was solel
addicted to pain pills. In fact those that are on the drug addict narrative cannot
seem to get into their noggins that he might have been overusing those meds
because he was in pain from organ issues or cancer. Which to me is so what if he
was pain so be it ) They continue to ignore the damage these meds can do to the
organs over the long haul Rx or no Rx. I know he did not have those medical
expenses from buying illegal drugs. If you had a bill for staying two days that went
into 33k what do you think Prince might have been dealing with at 65k. At some
point people have to take a look at the entire stituation in a realistic manner. More
info spilled out today that has more conveinced than ever that there is more to
this story


There are several of us here who also saw this along with you earlier today. Waiting to hear more though.


Hey perhaps that grim reaper guy ain't so scary after all! cool



The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #849 posted 06/20/17 8:16am

1Sasha

Where did you see this information - on the org? I haven't been around as much as usual so I missed it. Thanks.

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Reply #850 posted 06/20/17 8:44am

nelcp777

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

That is exactly what many of us have been saying. See no one on here thinks he abducted by aliens or killed by the illumantti. We just do not think he was solely addicted to pain pills. In fact those that are on the drug addict narrative cannot seem to get into their noggins that he might have been overusing those meds because he was in pain from organ issues or cancer.

( Which to me is so what if he was pain so be it )

They continue to ignore the damage these meds can do to the organs over the long haul Rx or no Rx. I know he did not have those medical expenses from buying illegal drugs. If you had a bill for staying two days that went into 33k what do you think Prince might have been dealing with at 65k.

At some point people have to take a look at the entire stituation in a realistic manner. More info spilled out today that has more conveinced than ever that there is more to this story


There are several of us here who also saw this along with you earlier today. Waiting to hear more though.

What info spilled out? I guess I missed this.

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Reply #851 posted 06/20/17 8:57am

paulludvig

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

I completely agree with the bolded...BUT, I don't know that we don't have to reconcile this to the fact that U4770 is not made here at all (like I stated, I think it's only made in China and is being sought out to be deemed a black market drug here with penalties if caught with - kind of like how you were able to buy bath salts or fake weed in the stores previously, but now that laws have passed on these substances, there are legal ramifications if caught with/caught selling now).

So IF in fact Prince was aware of this, then he knew it was taking a chance. With that said, I also believe that his "source" knew what they were doing. I personally can't reconcile that he would willingly just take something off the street, let alone from some unknown source overseas.

Another thing I have heard/seen in articles is that if something like these illicit pills are in fact ordered, then thay are "made to order" with full knowledge of what's in them. I don't have a link, but have read this before. I can't reconcile that either, nor the implications of it.

-just throwing out what I've seen in articles myself.

P.S. -don't quote me on the bath salt/fake weed stuff...I'm trying to give an example, and don't know all of the legalities on these substances, but I'm sure you get where I'm coming from

[Edited 6/19/17 13:27pm]

--I remember reading that U4770 started in Norwegian coutries which had me thinking about how popular he was in Norwegian countries and how often he went to those countries.

There's no such thing as Norwegian countries. Perhaps you mean Scandinavian contries of which Norway is one of them?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #852 posted 06/20/17 9:56am

laurarichardso
n

paulludvig said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said: --I remember reading that U4770 started in Norwegian coutries which had me thinking about how popular he was in Norwegian countries and how often he went to those countries.

There's no such thing as Norwegian countries. Perhaps you mean Scandinavian contries of which Norway is one of them?

Someone thinks there are see the following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegians

Norwegians (Norwegian: nordmenn) are a Germanic ethnic group native to Norway.[11][12][13][14] They share a common culture and speak the Norwegian language. Norwegian people and their descendants are found in migrant communities worldwide, notably in the United States, Canada, Australia, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico, New Zealand, United Kingdom and South Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries

The Nordic countries or Nordics[1] are a geographical and cultural region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic, where they are most commonly known as Norden (lit.: The North). They consist of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden, including the associated territories of Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and the Åland Islands.

I was pretty sure I did not make this word up.


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Reply #853 posted 06/20/17 10:08am

paulludvig

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

There's no such thing as Norwegian countries. Perhaps you mean Scandinavian contries of which Norway is one of them?

Someone thinks there are see the following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegians

Norwegians (Norwegian: nordmenn) are a Germanic ethnic group native to Norway.[11][12][13][14] They share a common culture and speak the Norwegian language. Norwegian people and their descendants are found in migrant communities worldwide, notably in the United States, Canada, Australia, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico, New Zealand, United Kingdom and South Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries

The Nordic countries or Nordics[1] are a geographical and cultural region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic, where they are most commonly known as Norden (lit.: The North). They consist of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden, including the associated territories of Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and the Åland Islands.

I was pretty sure I did not make this word up.


Norwegians are people from Norway. The Norwegian language is very similiar to swedish (spoken in Sweden) and danish (spoken in Denmark). Anyway - last time Prince played in Norway was in 2011.

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #854 posted 06/20/17 10:14am

1Sasha

You knew what she meant. Why make a big deal out of this? Aren't we here for a bigger reason than semantics?

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Reply #855 posted 06/20/17 10:15am

Welcome2daRevo
lution

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nelcp777 said:



Mumio said:




laurarichardson said:



That is exactly what many of us have been saying. See no one on here thinks he abducted by aliens or killed by the illumantti. We just do not think he was solely addicted to pain pills. In fact those that are on the drug addict narrative cannot seem to get into their noggins that he might have been overusing those meds because he was in pain from organ issues or cancer.


( Which to me is so what if he was pain so be it )


They continue to ignore the damage these meds can do to the organs over the long haul Rx or no Rx. I know he did not have those medical expenses from buying illegal drugs. If you had a bill for staying two days that went into 33k what do you think Prince might have been dealing with at 65k.



At some point people have to take a look at the entire stituation in a realistic manner. More info spilled out today that has more conveinced than ever that there is more to this story




There are several of us here who also saw this along with you earlier today. Waiting to hear more though.



What info spilled out? I guess I missed this.


yeahthat
CALL ME A DREAMER 2!
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Reply #856 posted 06/20/17 11:13am

starkitty

reading looking for this new info

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Reply #857 posted 06/20/17 11:16am

laurarichardso
n

1Sasha said:

You knew what she meant. Why make a big deal out of this? Aren't we here for a bigger reason than semantics?

Nah some people are on this board for the semantics biggrin LOL

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Reply #858 posted 06/20/17 11:37am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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starkitty said:

reading looking for this new info

Its on a P Facebook page.

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Reply #859 posted 06/20/17 12:03pm

nelcp777

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

starkitty said:

reading looking for this new info

Its on a P Facebook page.

I don't do social media. Would you mind summarizing it?

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Reply #860 posted 06/20/17 12:09pm

precioux

nelcp777 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Its on a P Facebook page.

I don't do social media. Would you mind summarizing it?

+1

...or maybe a link?


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Reply #861 posted 06/20/17 12:23pm

Bassette

precioux said:



nelcp777 said:




ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Its on a P Facebook page.




I don't do social media. Would you mind summarizing it?



+1

...or maybe a link?



+1 I'm all ears!
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Reply #862 posted 06/20/17 12:33pm

1Sasha

Is it that page with all the alleged dish? The two I am on have basically banned everything except gushing about Paisley Park and how wonderful life is.

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Reply #863 posted 06/20/17 1:46pm

moonsister

1Sasha said:

Is it that page with all the alleged dish? The two I am on have basically banned everything except gushing about Paisley Park and how wonderful life is.


Aids, cancer, hep c, physical or emotional pain, it was illicit drugs that killed him. He was addicted to opioids and that is sad. Kirk did not murder him and I'm happy that is not being tossed around lightly anymore. Hope you people who jumped to this ridiculous conclusion and argued about it feel bad.
[Edited 6/20/17 13:47pm]
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Reply #864 posted 06/20/17 6:13pm

Laydown

moonsister said:

1Sasha said:

Is it that page with all the alleged dish? The two I am on have basically banned everything except gushing about Paisley Park and how wonderful life is.

Aids, cancer, hep c, physical or emotional pain, it was illicit drugs that killed him. He was addicted to opioids and that is sad. Kirk did not murder him and I'm happy that is not being tossed around lightly anymore. Hope you people who jumped to this ridiculous conclusion and argued about it feel bad. [Edited 6/20/17 13:47pm]

Maybe it was suicide,accidental overdose just doesnt cut it for me cos evryone who takes drugs know how much. If anyone is gonna argue my opinion,save your time and energy,I could care less.

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way'

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Reply #865 posted 06/21/17 3:07am

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Welcome2daRevolution said:

nelcp777 said:



Mumio said:




laurarichardson said:



That is exactly what many of us have been saying. See no one on here thinks he abducted by aliens or killed by the illumantti. We just do not think he was solely addicted to pain pills. In fact those that are on the drug addict narrative cannot seem to get into their noggins that he might have been overusing those meds because he was in pain from organ issues or cancer.


( Which to me is so what if he was pain so be it )


They continue to ignore the damage these meds can do to the organs over the long haul Rx or no Rx. I know he did not have those medical expenses from buying illegal drugs. If you had a bill for staying two days that went into 33k what do you think Prince might have been dealing with at 65k.



At some point people have to take a look at the entire stituation in a realistic manner. More info spilled out today that has more conveinced than ever that there is more to this story




There are several of us here who also saw this along with you earlier today. Waiting to hear more though.



What info spilled out? I guess I missed this.


yeahthat

Why won't the origonal posters answer this simple question???
[Edited 6/21/17 3:08am]
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #866 posted 06/21/17 4:20am

1Sasha

Laydown said:

moonsister said:

1Sasha said: Aids, cancer, hep c, physical or emotional pain, it was illicit drugs that killed him. He was addicted to opioids and that is sad. Kirk did not murder him and I'm happy that is not being tossed around lightly anymore. Hope you people who jumped to this ridiculous conclusion and argued about it feel bad. [Edited 6/20/17 13:47pm]

Maybe it was suicide,accidental overdose just doesnt cut it for me cos evryone who takes drugs know how much. If anyone is gonna argue my opinion,save your time and energy,I could care less.

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'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way'

It is hard for me to believe what I am writing here, but maybe he - in that moment - just like Chris Cornell - in that moment - he was just "done." Do you know what I mean? He had no one. He was a bank to essentially everyone in his circle. He was getting older. Maybe the music wasn't spilling out of him like it had before. His popularity outside of his core fanbase was pretty much non-existent. Everything he had worked for and lived for seemed to be falling away. And there might have been medical issues, on top of drug use.

[Edited 6/21/17 4:21am]

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Reply #867 posted 06/21/17 4:28am

laurarichardso
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1Sasha said:

Laydown said:

Maybe it was suicide,accidental overdose just doesnt cut it for me cos evryone who takes drugs know how much. If anyone is gonna argue my opinion,save your time and energy,I could care less.

.......................................................................................

'I know I shouldnt put my faith in heroes,but I cant c u any other way'

It is hard for me to believe what I am writing here, but maybe he - in that moment - just like Chris Cornell - in that moment - he was just "done." Do you know what I mean? He had no one. He was a bank to essentially everyone in his circle. He was getting older. Maybe the music wasn't spilling out of him like it had before. His popularity outside of his core fanbase was pretty much non-existent. Everything he had worked for and lived for seemed to be falling away. And there might have been medical issues, on top of drug use.

[Edited 6/21/17 4:21am]

His popularitiy outside of his core base was not non-exsistent. In fact Live Nation was begging him to a big tour like Musicology because they belived he could top the 100 million mark. Remember Prince was the one that went off to do one off shows and the festival circuit after Musicology which I now belive had to do with joint pain and his inability to do a long 100 city type show.

Remember Scott the engineer said Prince was experiencing a lot of pain on the Musicology tour.

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Reply #868 posted 06/21/17 4:31am

laurarichardso
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sonshine said:

Welcome2daRevolution said:
yeahthat
Why won't the origonal posters answer this simple question??? [Edited 6/21/17 3:08am]

I would like to post the actual screen shots and I am waiting for one of the mods to give me some instruction on how to get the screen shots on the board. If I cannot do that I will go ahead and provide the link but this is from a Facebook page and the group is closed. You will not see anything unless you joint the group.

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Reply #869 posted 06/21/17 4:33am

laurarichardso
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moonsister said:

1Sasha said:

Is it that page with all the alleged dish? The two I am on have basically banned everything except gushing about Paisley Park and how wonderful life is.

Aids, cancer, hep c, physical or emotional pain, it was illicit drugs that killed him. He was addicted to opioids and that is sad. Kirk did not murder him and I'm happy that is not being tossed around lightly anymore. Hope you people who jumped to this ridiculous conclusion and argued about it feel bad. [Edited 6/20/17 13:47pm]

Nobody feels bad for KJ but you Meron. The police from their own comments do not believe a word out of his mouth so why should anyone else?

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