PhatPhuk:

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Surely you don't think that I'm going to continue a conversation with someone such as yourself who keeps throwing insults and talks down to me. I don't care for your arrogant and pompous attitude. So move along to your next victim. The internet is filled with bullies like you, and I can see right through you, too!

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There's no law saying that I must answer your questions or speak to you any further. I do not work for you!

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Have a nice day!

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Maybe you should voice your opinions about "Prince's addiction" in these threads:

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http://prince.org/msg/7/443270

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http://prince.org/msg/7/443498

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phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Here's a question for you, PhatPhuk: Why are you trolling me? There are tons of other people on the Org who feel the same way as I do about the drug issue, so why aren't you asking all the other Orgers the same questions? Why are you grilling me about Van Jones? I honestly have no interest in what Van Jones has to say. I didn't sign up for a drug seminar! smh

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P.S. If you are quoting me for a book or some other publication, please Org note me so that I can be properly compensation for my time. Thanks in advance.

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I have been very kind to you and answered all your questions. Now you are asking me more questions and I feel that I have already explained myself thoroughly concerning this matter.

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I don't remember signing-up for a drug seminar.

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phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

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My answers to your questions are as follows:

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1. Yes, I do agree.

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2. Yes, I know Prince and Van Jones were good friends.

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3. He was obviously aware that Prince had a dependency on opioids, and wanted to bring awareness.

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4. (see #3).

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5. Opioid addicition happens when the body builds a tolerance to the drug and becomes dependent on it. Dependence on opioids can cause withdrawals, thus you cannot stop taking the drug (you keep wanting more), which causes addiction, thus has detrimential affects on one's daily life. Professional treatment and counseling is necessary to help them manage their pain and lead a healthy life.

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Hope that was simple enough.

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Awesome, cloveringold85! I'm genuinely interested in grokking as many different points of view as I can. Thanks for answering!

I know that you never set out to "judge Van Jones" in any of your posts. That's not the reason I mentioned him. For my part, I never set out to declare any emotional investment in Van Jones. Because I have none. I am totally ambivalent about the guy, since I know practically nothing about him apart from having seen him speak for 20 or 30 minutes in total, on CNN and such.

The only reason I mentioned Van Jones, was to hopefully get you — and others — to get your heads around the idea that people that utter Prince's name in close proximity to the words "drug" and "addiction", are not necessarily doing so out of an intentionally malicious attempt to "trash Prince's name".

That is all I was trying to say by mentioning Van Jones.

The CNN op-ed piece writt...rnfeld kid is another case in point where the words "Prince", "drug" and "addiction" are used in the same article. Do you suspect Andrew Kornfield or CNN of "labelling Prince as a drug addict"?

Would you be less suspicious of "The Media" if instead of using the words, "drug addiction" when they talk about Prince, that they substitute those words with, "opioid addiction" instead?

Do you think it is a bad thing that Chaka Khan reportedly sought out help with her own opioid addiction as a direct result of learning from Prince's mistake?

Is it possible that "The Media" might be trying to spread a similar lesson to the man and woman on the street, by leveraging Prince's story? If their ultimate intention in doing that is to save lives, why do you feel so strongly about that being such a bad thing?

Is it because you perceive "The Poster Boy For Drug Addiction" thing as some kind of racial profiling or anything like that?

Thanks in advance for answering, cloveringold85.

I'm not "trolling you", cloveringold85. And my posts weren't a drug seminar. They were a list of questions. Not rhetorical questions. Real questions! Borne of genuine, sincere curiousity.

And like I've already said. My most recent set of questions are not about Van Jones. Read them carefully. You'll see.

My posts weren't preaching to you, hun. They were pleading with you. Pleading with you to help me understand whatever the reason is that compels you to post "Prince Is The Media's Poster Boy For Drug Addiction!" over and over. 6 and 7 threads in a row. One thread immediately after another. Several times a day. Every day of the week. For several weeks running!

That kind of pathologically repetitive behavior is bound to cause a compassionate, nurturing person like myself, to be concerned for your stability and try to help you regain your composure. At the very least, such extaordinarily repetitious behavior is naturally gonna pique any level-headed, reasonable person's curiousity. Hence my list of questions.

If you want to be perceived as a mature adult who is capable of holding your own in a public forum converstion with other mature adults, then resorting to playing the "troll" card just because someone asks you questions that would clarify your assertions, isn't a very grown up way to present yourself. Calling somebody a "troll" as a means to end a converstion you're uncomfortable with, is the online forum-equivalent of the smarmy politician who's caught embezzling pension funds and his only defense is to squirm his way out of the situation with diversionary tactics to make the scrutiny go away.

Of course you're not a smarmy, squirming politician are you, hun? So I don't see why you don't just do the grown up thing and answer my above list of questions. Pretty please?

Even though my questions were directed to cloveringold85 — as she requested that I do a few posts back — since this is a public discussion forum anybody else who feels the same way as cloveringold85 does about the drug issue should please feel free to speak for her and help me to understand the issue from either cloveringold85's perspective and/or your own perspective.

Thanks in advance — again — for answering, cloveringold85 (or any other grown up orger speaking on her behalf).

I knew there was some reason old Hank was always my favorite royal. I could tell even back then, that kid would grow up to be a stoner. HaHaHaHaHa!

Good one Phat! Besides Princess Di, Harry has always been my favorite too!!

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

sonshine said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Sonshine: Are you referring to my quote?

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If so, I think you are miunderstanding me. Personally, I don't think that what happened to Prince was his last gift to this world. And, you must be out of your mind, if you think that.

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Are you okay with people labeling Prince as a "drug addict"? Yes, I do find that disgusting, given the fact that Prince's death is still an ongoing investigation and none of us are privy to all the facts.

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How dare you say I'm disrespecting Prince's memory or legacy! That comment was going a bit too far!

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I don't appreciate you twisting my words and making what I said out to be more than it actually was.

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And then you go and say "So what if they are making him a poster boy!"

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You also said this: Your posts have done nothing but cast a dark, ugly cloud over the org and over a great man. I dont believe Prince would look upon you with favor for your imbecile and endless arguments. You aint doing him any favors.

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I am casting a dark, ugly cloud over the Org? You can't be serious! Please share all the posts of me trashing Prince......

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You are rude and totally out of line, Sonshine!

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No reason to get so uppity. I was referring to Laura's narrative that is always inflammatory, negative and has a confrontational tone. I don't see the circumstances of Prince's passing used in a negative slant in articles that mention his death. I just don't see it. The world at large seems sympathetic to what transpired with him. The mere fact that his name is mentioned in articles concerning the opiate epidemic is not at all disrespectful in my opinion. His death was caused by an opiate overdose. Its a fact and its public knowlege. I'm sorry you find my comments rude and out of line. Exactly why i try to stay away from these threads. Too many unreasonable people here to try and have a sane conversation.

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I appreciate the response, so thank you.

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It seemed like you were quoting what I had said in that comment.

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Every fiber of my being is for the love and respect of Prince, so pardon me for taking offense to some of the things you said. I would never disprespect Prince's name, legacy or defame his character. He does not deserve that.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, so you did in fact see my post to Moonsister, where I posted links, so why then are you asking me for links?

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Please refer to my posts #654 & 727

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Also, I'm sure you are aware that the term "drug addict" and "drug addiction/addicted" is the same thing.

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drug ad·dict

ˈdrəɡ adikt/

noun

1. a person who is addicted to an illegal drug.

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drug addiction

Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Legal, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
Related to drug addiction: drug abuse

addiction

[ah-dik´shun]

1. the state of being given up to some habit or compulsion.

2. strong physiological and psychological dependence on a drug or other agent; see alcoholism and drug dependence.

drug addiction a state of heavy dependence on a drug; sometimes defined as physical dependence but usually alsoincluding emotional dependence, i.e., compulsive or pathological drug use. It is often used synonymously with drugdependence.

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Because you have laid claim that Prince is being labeled a drug addict across various media platforms. I have not seen this. You say you have. Where? That is my question. Provide these links. And, to reiterate, do not redirect me to some thread here. I want articles. Direct links. Not some generalized search options. Regarding your suggestions I refer back to your previous posts, I highly doubt main stream media is going to run with an op ed piece Ms. Lundberg posed on Rheumatoid.net. You can refer back to Post #749 in which I politely asked for some specifics regarding articles. I'm not going to google "Prince Drug Addict" because I am going to eventually encounter the Royal Windsors (as has been addressed) and I have no time nor inclination to sift through that miasma. How does the definition you provided apply to my request? I am going to (again) suggest you refer back to Post #749. Pretty self explanatory. You do this quite often. Claim something is fact and don't provide any legitimate source for your "facts". Is it to stir things up? Or do you just throw things out there and hope something eventually sticks?

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I guess you missed the part where I said.......Please refer to my posts #654 & 727

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You would rather sit and argue with me and go on and on and on about how I did not provide links rather than simply go and read the posts mentioned (highlighted) above. Are you this difficult in every day life? Geeze!! I mean, really!!

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cloveringold85 said:

Yeah you're just pulling teeth NotA. That one's not in it for the two-way dialog aspect of these incorrectly-named "discussion" forums. She's in it soley for the one-way posting appeal. Monologue style.

try to keep it about prince,nothing else is relevant.

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Your thread got moved because the New Yorker article it references is Rated since it discusses mature adult topics.

But Rated is more this forum's speed.

We don't wanna give "the widdle-kiddy-widdies" nightmares ;¬)

14 months later and no arrests?

phatphuk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

phatphuk said:

cloveringold85 said:

All you have to do is Google: "Prince Drug Addict" and dozens upon dozens of stories will come up, and they're not all from tabloid rags.?

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https://www.google.com/se...mp;bih=950?

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http://prince.org/msg/7/437778?

Last June, I read a really insighful op-ed ...rnfeld kid. It was published shortly after Prince's autopsy results were made public.

But I'd forgotten to bookmark it back then. So a few months later, when I wanted to quote something from it, I couldn't. Because I'd forgotten on what news site I had first saw it.

Thanks to the google search link you posted, I found it again in your search result hits! Woo.Hoo! Thanks!

Also, there's something important you need to try to understand about Google's search algorithm: It uses a kind of Inference.

What that means in the context of search results, is that although you typed in the word "addict", the results include hits for words like "addiction", "dependence" and so forth.

So your google link doesn't prove your point as well as you probably hoped it would. Sorry.

And to further back up your point! prince+harry+drug+addict=...ry&od?

I knew there was some reason old Hank was always my favorite royal. I could tell even back then, that kid would grow up to be a stoner. HaHaHaHaHa!

Well... it worked out for old 'arry in the end! Really the contrast couldn't be more striking. He could have ended up with a crone-like royal, but instead chose Meghan Markle

^^^ Dude's a regular head! Ain't he? HaHaHaHaHa?Ha

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Move on folks or this puppy gets locked up.

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Thank you so much for returning us to the ongoing investigation, a topic many are actually interested in.

Prince was a rich, worldly, well-traveled guy who knew tons of plugged-in people and was never shy about getting what he wanted. I'm not being sarcastic,but I can't wrap my brain around why he didn't go to a private doctor (not one with a suburban practice but one who selectively caters to celebs) or a private clinic/hosp. in Switzerland, the Caribbean or Mexico, etc. and get exactly what he wanted, on his own terms, for his hip pain or whatever. When you're rich and powerful you CAN have things your way. There was no rational reason for him to ever have his hands on bogus pills. Even if he had a growing dependance, there was never a need for him to have anything but pharmaceutical-grade meds in his sytem. I don't buy the theory that he may have been cut off by the medical establishment...in a private clinic catering to celebs (particularly overseas) they would have accomodated him. The only conclusion I can draw at the moment is that his judgement was totally clouded by paranoia, fear of being found out as someone habituated to pain pills (for whatever reason), and being surrounded by Yes men and sycophants, there was no one left in his world who would/could say no, get a grip, you are NOT in control of any of it anymore. Killed by Yes.

sonshine said:

Against my better judgement here is some general info about opiate use for the benefit of those here who doubt the legitimacy of Mrs Nelson's past prescriptions. As CRAZY as it seems TODAY 20 yrs ago it was the norm to be sent home after surgery w/pain medication for 30 days, with 3 additional refills to boot. This common practice played an important role in the current opiate epidemic. On any given day it would not have been the least bit unusual to find several bottles of various opiates in the average American's home. The bottle of Darvocet your dentist prescribed for that wisdom tooth extraction, Tylenol #3 after your c-section, and some Percocet or Vicoden from hubby's knee surgery after he tore his meniscus playing beer league ball. Most people took the pills for a couple days and that was that. The bottles of unused pills sitting in the medicine cabinet all but forgotten. But a few folks quickly became aware of the euphoric effects and became substance abusers. The pills became popular with the party crowd. And there seemed to be an endless supply due to the aforementioned bottles in so many homes. Didn't take long for addiction to set in but no one took it seriously because these weren't "hard drugs". They were just pills. From a doctor. We all know how the rest of the story goes. Alarm began setting in. The truth about the danger of addiction with these drugs came out. People got cut off from their docs. Turned to heroin or getting the pills from sketchy sources. Fast forward to today. Tada.

Did Prince quickly become aware of the euphoric effects and became a substance abuser?

Was he part of the party crowd where these pills were being abused?

Was he cut off and turned to heroin?

paulludvig said:

sonshine said:

Against my better judgement here is some general info about opiate use for the benefit of those here who doubt the legitimacy of Mrs Nelson's past prescriptions. As CRAZY as it seems TODAY 20 yrs ago it was the norm to be sent home after surgery w/pain medication for 30 days, with 3 additional refills to boot. This common practice played an important role in the current opiate epidemic. On any given day it would not have been the least bit unusual to find several bottles of various opiates in the average American's home. The bottle of Darvocet your dentist prescribed for that wisdom tooth extraction, Tylenol #3 after your c-section, and some Percocet or Vicoden from hubby's knee surgery after he tore his meniscus playing beer league ball. Most people took the pills for a couple days and that was that. The bottles of unused pills sitting in the medicine cabinet all but forgotten. But a few folks quickly became aware of the euphoric effects and became substance abusers. The pills became popular with the party crowd. And there seemed to be an endless supply due to the aforementioned bottles in so many homes. Didn't take long for addiction to set in but no one took it seriously because these weren't "hard drugs". They were just pills. From a doctor. We all know how the rest of the story goes. Alarm began setting in. The truth about the danger of addiction with these drugs came out. People got cut off from their docs. Turned to heroin or getting the pills from sketchy sources. Fast forward to today. Tada.

Did Prince quickly become aware of the euphoric effects and became a substance abuser?

Was he part of the party crowd where these pills were being abused?

Was he cut off and turned to heroin?

Sorry to respond to your legit questions with another possibility but here goes: he began taking pain pills for athletic injuries and then again post-surgery (surgeries as per the autopsy report) but more important than dulling the pain and enabling him to perform (his hearts' delight) , these meds eased or eliminated the social anxiety that had plagued him his entire life...so performing became even MORE enjoyable...less pain/ more joy...who would give that combo up? Diminished sex drive? Hey, I'm so religious I'm celibate. Getting too thin, neglecting his health? Hey, I've always been a skinny guy and LOOK, I'm calmer, more at ease around people, better able to call someone up and have an authentic conversation . But you may be blowing your liver out? These things kill people? You're taking too many? But I'm PRINCE...and besides, everything is in Gods' hands, if He didn't want me to have these pills He wouldn't have made it possible for me to fill my Aleve and vitamin bottles with them. Except,everything in his life that he celebrated, longed for, attained...fame, fortune, love, love, love...he ultimately lost interest in and treated carelessly. There was no will/estate planning to ensure his money went to the places he envisioned and that his music was curated and released with exacting care, he was careless with his heart and the hearts of others, he left a lifetime of sexual and emotional betrayels in his wake; and, in the end, he was careless with his own precious life. I think the only grace and blessing in this tragedy is that he knew his fams would love him until the end of time.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Prince was addicted to opiates. Sad but true

fortuneandserendipity said:

Prince was addicted to opiates. Sad but true

Okay but what else was going on?