TheEnglishGent said:

NME01 said:

Militant said: Nothing surprises me about music biz deals, but why would WB even think they had the First Avenue video in the first place? They knew they had no original rights, so why was it even in their plan?

Where is the evidence that it was in their plan. There's been nothing more than speculation about it.

i reckon the 2nd show was going to be an edit of syracuse

charismatic said:

RODSERLING said:

Of course Militant talked about the making of Thriller. This making of released on VHS in 1984 sold barely 2 millions worldwide, which was already huge at the time, considering the market was only at the beginning.

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It was NEVER released on dvd (do you realize now the absurdity of the article you quote ?), and by 1986 was already out of print. So please stop spreading fake informations from tabloids and wikipedia.

[Edited 5/5/17 2:54am]

You seem to be discounting the significance of the making of VHS that was released. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but the success of the video triggered More home video releases Michael made a heep of money off the VHS and video. From a Vanity Fair article: "making of" genre of documentary ("The Making of Filler," as Landis said at the time); helped create a market for VHS rentals and sales, because fans were desperate to see it when they wanted, rather than at the will of TV stations; and, in 2009, became the first music video to be inducted into the Library of Congress's National Film Registry. So even if they only sold a measly 2 million copies world wide as you say, maybe that's because VHS hadn't made it into every household at that time. Who knows entirely but if it was 2 millions, it was more than any of them expected.

purplethunder3121 said:

I don't want to stream it; I want to own it.

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laurarichardson said:

BoraBora said:

If the Estate will release a CD+DVD will have my money.

If they don't, I'm ready to give my money to Eye or SAB for the same product.

And please don't start anyone with morality, "P would want this or that", "don't feed bootleegers", etc.

Each to its own and to his prority, that for me is a nice factory pressed product.

Enjoy until your player breaks and you cannot find a replacement.

People seem to think when all the current CD, DVD, Bluray, CDROM, DVDROM, BDROM, Playstations, X-Boxes, Wii etc break, they won't be able to get a new one...

With all that are already out there, finding a used one will not be hard for a Loooooong time.

Not that this matters, as buying a new one CHEAP at walmart will be an option for a years and years as well. See, they like to sell bargain bin discs... so, they'll keep carrying players.

When they finally stop, some company will see the niche market and fulfill it's needs.

Anybody that knows much about the history of electronics and media formats can predict this.

So funny though that there are always those on here that preach doom & gloom for physical formats and insist they are ALREADY dead, nobody uses them, your discs will be unplayable in a year or two.

Don't believe the hype. If you're paranoid pick up a few cheap bluray players (should be able stock up a few for $100-150) and stick em in the closet. Better yet, pick a bunch up used for even cheaper.

You can still buy an affordable cassette player today, and that format is deader than discs will be for decades...

RODSERLING said:

Genesia said:

Well...we know the video is real (many of us have it). The question is whether it will be in quality that is sufficiently improved to make it worthwhile.

The quality will be good enough, but we'll still bitch about it

Marco81 said:

mikeyaddict said:

Marco81 said:

They should release a box set of all First Avenue performances 81-87.

This is one of the best suggestions I have seen on here for a very long time. Amazing idea.

mikeyaddict said:

Marco81 said:

They should release a box set of all First Avenue performances 81-87.

This is one of the best suggestions I have seen on here for a very long time. Amazing idea.

Yeah I really like that idea! I am imaging that box set as a nice slick looking purple package with an outline of Prince with the words "Paisley Park" on the bottom lol.

Sydney said:

If this concert sounds like that "Lets Go Crazy" snippet that was recently shared (which I am sure it will) it will be monumental!

Quality? Yes. The mix? Hell no.

The synths are way too loud and guitars way too quiet.

NME01 said:

Militant said:

Because Warners don't own it.

It was a private performance for a charity, and the terms of Prince's deal didn't say "Any gig you film automatically belongs to Warners"...... In fact, back in 1983, record labels rarely interfered with live concerts artists did.

In fact - they didn't always deal with music videos either, and a great example of this is Michael Jackson. He financed the "Thriller" video himself and then was able to do a deal for "The Making of Thriller" on VHS - with exclusivity deals with MTV, Showtime, and a $500k marketing budget from the distributor, Vestron! And although Epic Records got a cut due to them owning the song itself, they had no ownership of the video nor the making of video, which sold almost 10 million copies on it's own!

So here's a nice bit of speculation that could be accurate : Carter only just came in as advisor, right? Maybe Warners thought that First Ave inclusion was a done deal when they made that first release of information that mentioned two DVDs. Imagine Carter comes in and says "Nope! This is a separate deal, you want it, you need to pay extra for it!"

Warners don't want to do that, deal collapses at the last minute, we get one DVD with PR Deluxe and then all of a sudden, here's information that Carter is shopping it around.

This is total speculation on my part, but having been in the music industry my whole life, I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly how it went down.

Nothing surprises me about music biz deals, but why would WB even think they had the First Avenue video in the first place? They knew they had no original rights, so why was it even in their plan?

That all depends on what conversations they had wih Bremer/Londell/Charles who have now been replaced with Comerica/Troy. If Universal are feeling they were misled on the post-WB material and rights, who is to say that WB aren't in the same boat between what they believed they had and what they actually have?

The whole thing is such a messy situation.

bluegangsta said:

Sydney said:

If this concert sounds like that "Lets Go Crazy" snippet that was recently shared (which I am sure it will) it will be monumental!

Quality? Yes. The mix? Hell no.

The synths are way too loud and guitars way too quiet.

Sounds like soundboard audio, and yes, it sounds great, and the video quality is astounding compared to what we have now, but soundboard audio is going to take away volumes from the feel and intimacy of this show. An audience recording makes it so much more intimate and special imo. Remember how odd the One Nite Alone DVD sounded? Imagine Lovesexy Live without the wonderful crowd audio.

I will be happy regardless as I never thought this would ever see a legitimate release, but if I have to make a wish for what would be great for me, it is:

High quality audience recording for the show

BluRay/DVD release along with streaming option.

[Edited 5/7/17 17:33pm]

leadline said:

bluegangsta said:

Quality? Yes. The mix? Hell no.

The synths are way too loud and guitars way too quiet.

Sounds like soundboard audio, and yes, it sounds great, and the video quality is astounding compared to what we have now, but soundboard audio is going to take away volumes from the feel and intimacy of this show. An audience recording makes it so much more intimate and special imo. Remember how odd the One Nite Alone DVD sounded? Imagine Lovesexy Live without the wonderful crowd audio.

I will be happy regardless as I never thought this would ever see a legitimate release, but if I have to make a wish for what would be great for me, it is:

High quality audience recording for the show

BluRay/DVD release along with streaming option.

Ahhh! NO.

Seriously, though, often they do what is called a "matrix" mix, a soundboard recording mixed with the audience to create the atmosphere you are talking about while maintaining the clarity of the soundboard. Personally I prefer soundboard to matrix or audience but I understand why some like a mix.

Militant said:

NME01 said:

Militant said: Nothing surprises me about music biz deals, but why would WB even think they had the First Avenue video in the first place? They knew they had no original rights, so why was it even in their plan?

That all depends on what conversations they had wih Bremer/Londell/Charles who have now been replaced with Comerica/Troy. If Universal are feeling they were misled on the post-WB material and rights, who is to say that WB aren't in the same boat between what they believed they had and what they actually have?

The whole thing is such a messy situation.

Agreed - I think the 5-disc set might've been something of a "knee jerk" reaction, but I also think that overall consumerism is at play here.

Why include the First Avenue show in a 5-disc bundle (for a somewhat "bargain" price) when it can be its own, separate full-price release?

Think about it - if the album release is $20-25, then this video would potentially be $20-25 as well.

This consumerism approach might also factor into why The Time, Modernaires and Appolonia 6 aren't on here . . .

Militant said:

June 23, 2017..

I can't wait for this day.... it's gonna be beautiful...

Hopefully this dvd will be included, like a bonus.... or something.....

thedance said:

June 23, 2017..

I can't wait for this day.... it's gonna be beautiful...

Hopefully this dvd will be included, like a bonus.... or something.....

PRNelson said:

1) Listen to die hards 2) utilise the people who were actually there 3) package physical product beautifully with photographs and insightful writings 4) a loyal fan base is yours forever

https://vimeo.com/171647167

charismatic said:

RODSERLING said:

Exactly, like I said in my post above (that strangely you didn't quote), 2 millions was huge at the time. And like I said in my post you didn't quote, it wasn't recent movies that sold more in the the eighties. It was fitness, music video, disney and old movies.

I'm sorta new here, but I come in peace. Not here to argue about any of this. I'm here to learn and share what I know. That's it. I didn't include your other statements maybe because I didn't see them or because I can only quote one post at a time. But I certainly didn't do it out of malice. Thanks for the info you have provided.

Fire at will!

seems like theyre so busy trying to make so much money that they r losing momentum at this rate

You are right.....but remember minidiscs and minidisc players ? I loved them and they were kinda popular in the early 2000s but these days you can´t really find a minidisc player, or let alone recorder, anymore.

And I have two shoeboxes full of minidiscs that I can´t play anymore.

My old minidisc player broke down more than a decade ago.

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

Enjoy until your player breaks and you cannot find a replacement.

People seem to think when all the current CD, DVD, Bluray, CDROM, DVDROM, BDROM, Playstations, X-Boxes, Wii etc break, they won't be able to get a new one...

With all that are already out there, finding a used one will not be hard for a Loooooong time.

Not that this matters, as buying a new one CHEAP at walmart will be an option for a years and years as well. See, they like to sell bargain bin discs... so, they'll keep carrying players.

When they finally stop, some company will see the niche market and fulfill it's needs.

Anybody that knows much about the history of electronics and media formats can predict this.

So funny though that there are always those on here that preach doom & gloom for physical formats and insist they are ALREADY dead, nobody uses them, your discs will be unplayable in a year or two.

Don't believe the hype. If you're paranoid pick up a few cheap bluray players (should be able stock up a few for $100-150) and stick em in the closet. Better yet, pick a bunch up used for even cheaper.

You can still buy an affordable cassette player today, and that format is deader than discs will be for decades...

KoolEaze said:

You are right.....but remember minidiscs and minidisc players ? I loved them and they were kinda popular in the early 2000s but these days you can´t really find a minidisc player, or let alone recorder, anymore.

And I have two shoeboxes full of minidiscs that I can´t play anymore.

My old minidisc player broke down more than a decade ago.

djThunderfunk said:

People seem to think when all the current CD, DVD, Bluray, CDROM, DVDROM, BDROM, Playstations, X-Boxes, Wii etc break, they won't be able to get a new one...

With all that are already out there, finding a used one will not be hard for a Loooooong time.

Not that this matters, as buying a new one CHEAP at walmart will be an option for a years and years as well. See, they like to sell bargain bin discs... so, they'll keep carrying players.

When they finally stop, some company will see the niche market and fulfill it's needs.

Anybody that knows much about the history of electronics and media formats can predict this.

So funny though that there are always those on here that preach doom & gloom for physical formats and insist they are ALREADY dead, nobody uses them, your discs will be unplayable in a year or two.

Don't believe the hype. If you're paranoid pick up a few cheap bluray players (should be able stock up a few for $100-150) and stick em in the closet. Better yet, pick a bunch up used for even cheaper.

You can still buy an affordable cassette player today, and that format is deader than discs will be for decades...

Yeah, but 2 things:

There are millions more dvd players sold than mini disc. Mini disc was a great format but unfortunately about as popular as DAT. Almost every home has/had a DVD player and DVDs. This means that there will be more of a demand for players on the market and for a longer time period.

Also, DVDs play on blu ray players, computer disc drives, most video game systems, etc... mini-disc do not.

I can still get a new in the box VHS player for cheap and I haven't seen a new release VHS being sold for around 15 years. DVDs are still selling, players will be available for decades. There are too many discs in circulation to believe that there will not be a demand for players. Even if the major brands stopped making them some niche company would pick up the slack.

djThunderfunk said:

KoolEaze said:

You are right.....but remember minidiscs and minidisc players ? I loved them and they were kinda popular in the early 2000s but these days you can´t really find a minidisc player, or let alone recorder, anymore.

And I have two shoeboxes full of minidiscs that I can´t play anymore.

My old minidisc player broke down more than a decade ago.

Yeah, but 2 things:

There are millions more dvd players sold than mini disc. Mini disc was a great format but unfortunately about as popular as DAT. Almost every home has/had a DVD player and DVDs. This means that there will be more of a demand for players on the market and for a longer time period.

Also, DVDs play on blu ray players, computer disc drives, most video game systems, etc... mini-disc do not.

I can still get a new in the box VHS player for cheap and I haven't seen a new release VHS being sold for around 15 years. DVDs are still selling, players will be available for decades. There are too many discs in circulation to believe that there will not be a demand for players. Even if the major brands stopped making them some niche company would pick up the slack.

Agreed - even if they stopped production of DVDs/Blu-Rays today, the market for players would still be around for quite a while to support what's already out there.

I don't buy a lot of movies anymore, but when I do I get the BD/DVD/Digital combo. I put the BD away, usually give the DVD to my son (if it's a kid's movie) and then it goes on Ultraviolet where I usually watch everything from anyway.

Se7en said:

djThunderfunk said:

Yeah, but 2 things:

There are millions more dvd players sold than mini disc. Mini disc was a great format but unfortunately about as popular as DAT. Almost every home has/had a DVD player and DVDs. This means that there will be more of a demand for players on the market and for a longer time period.

Also, DVDs play on blu ray players, computer disc drives, most video game systems, etc... mini-disc do not.

I can still get a new in the box VHS player for cheap and I haven't seen a new release VHS being sold for around 15 years. DVDs are still selling, players will be available for decades. There are too many discs in circulation to believe that there will not be a demand for players. Even if the major brands stopped making them some niche company would pick up the slack.

Agreed - even if they stopped production of DVDs/Blu-Rays today, the market for players would still be around for quite a while to support what's already out there.

I don't buy a lot of movies anymore, but when I do I get the BD/DVD/Digital combo. I put the BD away, usually give the DVD to my son (if it's a kid's movie) and then it goes on Ultraviolet where I usually watch everything from anyway.

I use the BD, save the DVD for if I want to loan it out or rip a back up copy and never even use the ultraviolet codes. I've let litteraly hundreds expire without using them. I've heard there is a market online for selling the UV codes but never looked into it. Probably could have made a few $ by now...

leadline said:

bluegangsta said:

Quality? Yes. The mix? Hell no.

The synths are way too loud and guitars way too quiet.

Sounds like soundboard audio, and yes, it sounds great, and the video quality is astounding compared to what we have now, but soundboard audio is going to take away volumes from the feel and intimacy of this show. An audience recording makes it so much more intimate and special imo. Remember how odd the One Nite Alone DVD sounded? Imagine Lovesexy Live without the wonderful crowd audio.

I will be happy regardless as I never thought this would ever see a legitimate release, but if I have to make a wish for what would be great for me, it is:

High quality audience recording for the show

BluRay/DVD release along with streaming option.

Right. Because where would we be without some drunk chick screaming, "OH MY GOOOOOOOOD!!! I LOVE YOU, PRIIIIIIIIINCE!"

Or some drunk guy yelling, "17 DAYS! 17 DAYS!"

Genesia said:

leadline said:

Sounds like soundboard audio, and yes, it sounds great, and the video quality is astounding compared to what we have now, but soundboard audio is going to take away volumes from the feel and intimacy of this show. An audience recording makes it so much more intimate and special imo. Remember how odd the One Nite Alone DVD sounded? Imagine Lovesexy Live without the wonderful crowd audio.

I will be happy regardless as I never thought this would ever see a legitimate release, but if I have to make a wish for what would be great for me, it is:

High quality audience recording for the show

BluRay/DVD release along with streaming option.

Right. Because where would we be without some drunk chick screaming, "OH MY GOOOOOOOOD!!! I LOVE YOU, PRIIIIIIIIINCE!"

Or some drunk guy yelling, "17 DAYS! 17 DAYS!"

rdhull said:

Genesia said:

Right. Because where would we be without some drunk chick screaming, "OH MY GOOOOOOOOD!!! I LOVE YOU, PRIIIIIIIIINCE!"

Or some drunk guy yelling, "17 DAYS! 17 DAYS!"

Seriously, tho. I don't like these people at actual shows. Why would I want to invite them into my living room?

Genesia said:

rdhull said:

Seriously, tho. I don't like these people at actual shows. Why would I want to invite them into my living room?

I dont either. They're were all trying to get a response from him (attention) at the shows.

Giovanni777 said: