HatrinaHaterwitz said:

But not included as part of the "Purple Rain" Deluxe Set because WHY?

Because Warners don't own it.

It was a private performance for a charity, and the terms of Prince's deal didn't say "Any gig you film automatically belongs to Warners"...... In fact, back in 1983, record labels rarely interfered with live concerts artists did.

In fact - they didn't always deal with music videos either, and a great example of this is Michael Jackson. He financed the "Thriller" video himself and then was able to do a deal for "The Making of Thriller" on VHS - with exclusivity deals with MTV, Showtime, and a $500k marketing budget from the distributor, Vestron! And although Epic Records got a cut due to them owning the song itself, they had no ownership of the video nor the making of video, which sold almost 10 million copies on it's own!

So here's a nice bit of speculation that could be accurate : Carter only just came in as advisor, right? Maybe Warners thought that First Ave inclusion was a done deal when they made that first release of information that mentioned two DVDs. Imagine Carter comes in and says "Nope! This is a separate deal, you want it, you need to pay extra for it!"

Warners don't want to do that, deal collapses at the last minute, we get one DVD with PR Deluxe and then all of a sudden, here's information that Carter is shopping it around.

This is total speculation on my part, but having been in the music industry my whole life, I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly how it went down.

LonelyStarfish said:

imprimis said:

UHD? It was recorded on two even older than 1983 (journalist-grade) BetaMax camcorders, probably by a locally booked company that does commencements and weddings, and those original tape elements may very well have been lost, leaving us with a second or lower generation VHS copy neglected for three decades.

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I think you misunderstood; Netflix streams in UHD so no matter what the quality of rhe show is in/gets remastered into it'll look it's best on Netflix and other platforms that stream in UHD

Not true... the stream from netflix is UHD if the material/movie file is UHD. If something was shot on regular SD NTSC interlaced... it would most likely remain so.

Netflix normally now does not even accept anything not shot in HD or on film.

rogifan said:

Militant said:

Ugh. Streaming? I may be a dinosaur, but there are still a lot of us dinosaurs who want a physical product.

purplethunder3121 said:

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

People still buy DVDs?

All of my Critereon-Collection.

williamb610 said:

Ah...so this is why the video wasn't included on PR deluxe!

They wanted to package it separately and make more money off of it this way.

Hopefully, they'll put it on DVD for sale or at least on Amazon video!

Yeah...that's kind of what I was thinking too... really not cool if this was supposed to be in the PR deluxe (as part of the 2 concerts promised) but then they changed their minds to sell it separately to make more $$

purplethunder3121 said:

i think all this talk is a promotional device

rogifan said:

People still buy DVDs? I'm selfishly hoping Apple Music as I'm a subscriber. Also if it goes to Apple it's possible it would be available for purchase on iTunes. Does Spotify have a store where you can purchase media or is it streaming only?

No. No. they don't. But nobody actually makes DVDs either--or any other physical media. DVDs, CDs, vinyl records, books, newspapers. There are also no actual television programs, either, or movie theaters--just content streamed to phones, which is the most ancient technology anyone actually still uses, and that's just a few geriatric patients. Most people have the cloud streamed directly into their cortexes. Any suggestion otherwise is all just a big joke played by the entire world on a handful of not very intelligent 3-week-old puppies.

Seriously, what is the point of people constantly asking whether people still buy DVD's (or BluRay's) and CD's? Or, for that matter, asking whether people still buy media at all? Yes, they do. And some of us here on the org want to buy it, and some of us want to stream it, and some of us want to do both. And there's my comment on that.

Militant said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

But not included as part of the "Purple Rain" Deluxe Set because WHY?

Because Warners don't own it.

It was a private performance for a charity, and the terms of Prince's deal didn't say "Any gig you film automatically belongs to Warners"...... In fact, back in 1983, record labels rarely interfered with live concerts artists did.

In fact - they didn't always deal with music videos either, and a great example of this is Michael Jackson. He financed the "Thriller" video himself and then was able to do a deal for "The Making of Thriller" on VHS - with exclusivity deals with MTV, Showtime, and a $500k marketing budget from the distributor, Vestron! And although Epic Records got a cut due to them owning the song itself, they had no ownership of the video nor the making of video, which sold almost 10 million copies on it's own!

So here's a nice bit of speculation that could be accurate : Carter only just came in as advisor, right? Maybe Warners thought that First Ave inclusion was a done deal when they made that first release of information that mentioned two DVDs. Imagine Carter comes in and says "Nope! This is a separate deal, you want it, you need to pay extra for it!"

Warners don't want to do that, deal collapses at the last minute, we get one DVD with PR Deluxe and then all of a sudden, here's information that Carter is shopping it around.

This is total speculation on my part, but having been in the music industry my whole life, I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly how it went down.

Ummm, okay. But here's what any and everybody concerned needs to understand...



Speaking purely for myself...my patience and loyalty existed ONLY for Prince...himself!

I'll just let my Detroit Auntie 'Retha put how I'm truly feeling right about now!

purplethunder3121 said:

I don't want to stream it; I want to own it.

Same here.

Simply put, physical copy gets my $, streaming does not...

EddieC said:

rogifan said:

People still buy DVDs? I'm selfishly hoping Apple Music as I'm a subscriber. Also if it goes to Apple it's possible it would be available for purchase on iTunes. Does Spotify have a store where you can purchase media or is it streaming only?

No. No. they don't. But nobody actually makes DVDs either--or any other physical media. DVDs, CDs, vinyl records, books, newspapers. There are also no actual television programs, either, or movie theaters--just content streamed to phones, which is the most ancient technology anyone actually still uses, and that's just a few geriatric patients. Most people have the cloud streamed directly into their cortexes. Any suggestion otherwise is all just a big joke played by the entire world on a handful of not very intelligent 3-week-old puppies.

Seriously, what is the point of people constantly asking whether people still buy DVD's (or BluRay's) and CD's? Or, for that matter, asking whether people still buy media at all? Yes, they do. And some of us here on the org want to buy it, and some of us want to stream it, and some of us want to do both. And there's my comment on that.

For realz. There's a reason most movies are released as Bluray/DVD/Digital Copy combos, and the reason is all 3 formats are still popular. It's funny how some people assume the whole world makes the same choices they do.

Militant said:

sro100 said:

Come on Netflix!

This.

I was wondering this myself. First they advertise two concerts, and the shipping product only has one. Too bad, though. This concert would've been a nice addition to an already impressive product, IMO.

Militant said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

But not included as part of the "Purple Rain" Deluxe Set because WHY?

Because Warners don't own it.

It was a private performance for a charity, and the terms of Prince's deal didn't say "Any gig you film automatically belongs to Warners"...... In fact, back in 1983, record labels rarely interfered with live concerts artists did.

In fact - they didn't always deal with music videos either, and a great example of this is Michael Jackson. He financed the "Thriller" video himself and then was able to do a deal for "The Making of Thriller" on VHS - with exclusivity deals with MTV, Showtime, and a $500k marketing budget from the distributor, Vestron! And although Epic Records got a cut due to them owning the song itself, they had no ownership of the video nor the making of video, which sold almost 10 million copies on it's own!

So here's a nice bit of speculation that could be accurate : Carter only just came in as advisor, right? Maybe Warners thought that First Ave inclusion was a done deal when they made that first release of information that mentioned two DVDs. Imagine Carter comes in and says "Nope! This is a separate deal, you want it, you need to pay extra for it!"

Warners don't want to do that, deal collapses at the last minute, we get one DVD with PR Deluxe and then all of a sudden, here's information that Carter is shopping it around.

This is total speculation on my part, but having been in the music industry my whole life, I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly how it went down.

803 said:

This is great news!!! I'll take it in whatever form I can get it..better to have than not to have...

Agreed...

I'll "take it" in whatever form I can get it too. But I'll PAY for it on disc.

djThunderfunk said:

djThunderfunk said:

mikeyaddict said:

djThunderfunk said:

Same here.

Simply put, physical copy gets my $, streaming does not...

It's fucked how far down his line we've come. I discovered after buying my PS4 that it won't even play CDs. What a bollocks! That should just be a standard thing. Trying to force us to pay for things every month rather than own it. Stockpile CD players. At least they can't come to my house and take my records and CDs and cassettes. Wankers.

But the PS3 does play CDs. Infact, the PS3 can also download the CD into it's harddrive as mp3 files. I agree Sony kind of dropped the ball with the PS4 not being able to play CDs.

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Militant said:

Thanks! That's the confirmation I was looking for.

So it seems the deal actually has nothing to do with Warner Bros? Which explains why it isn't on PR Deluxe.

And the story about them "not finishing it on time" was bogus.

Still begs the question on how sifi got his hands on that footage?

laytonian said:

rogifan said:

People still buy DVDs? I'm selfishly hoping Apple Music as I'm a subscriber. Also if it goes to Apple it's possible it would be available for purchase on iTunes. Does Spotify have a store where you can purchase media or is it streaming only?

. Yes. I've compared bouncing a streamed video and a Blu-Ray on our new super TV , and the dvd won. No burps, better picture and sound .

My Super TV (Samsung 65 inch Ultra 4K HD KS8000 arrives tomorrow. I'm so excited.

Streaming is ok with me, but it'd better be Netflix and it better be released on a physical format later, too... Otherwise

Streaming is nice because I'll be streaming it for free then I'll never pay for streaming.

Only a DVD/Blu-Ray release gets my money, CD combo is not even nessesary, I'll rip the audio from the disc myself.

NewpowerScarfo said:

Militant said:

Thanks! That's the confirmation I was looking for.

So it seems the deal actually has nothing to do with Warner Bros? Which explains why it isn't on PR Deluxe.

And the story about them "not finishing it on time" was bogus.

Still begs the question on how sifi got his hands on that footage?

There was a post on Facebook before Sifi posted it here. Doesn't mean they aren't involved with the product at all, I'm just saying.