laurarichardson said:

READ THE WARRANT PAGE 4 LAST PARAGRAPH


http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-22.pdf

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

Taking blood would have been done before Prince was capable of refusing anything.

So we still do not know if any test were done Moline or what he O.D on in fact the hospital has said they did not have anyone at the hospital named Prince Rogers Nelson. Has far as refusing treatment why would he stay in that hospital if he was already seeing Dr.S? I think you using some speculative facts to make up stuff that we will never know about.

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Laura, just adding to what you said. Now, I don't know for sure, but I think it's standard protocol for the doctor's to do blood work on a patient that's being treated in the hospital, especially for a drug overdose, just to make sure all is okay. I wouldn't be surprised if Prince refused treatment in the hospital. He did not like doctor's, and who does, right? But, I think it would have been for his own good, if he had chose to do so. What do I know! I'm just throwing that out there, LOL

Who knows the exact reasons for any of this, but it's certainly possible Prince was lying to his associates and didn't tell them he had the illegal stash. Or maybe they found out about the illegal stuff and helped get him a legit script so he would stop taking those counterfeits, but for whatever reason P continued to take his own stuff. I doubt he considered his illegal pills dangerous; he might have very well thought they were the real deal, just not legally prescribed.

moonsister said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The search warrants states the doctor who treated Prince in Moline documented Prince was suffering from an opiate overdose. It doesnt say what kind of opiate although Kirk told the hospital staff it MAY have been percocet.

Kirk told them PROBABLY Percocet. Are you implying it could have been a fentanyl overdose? A fentanyl overdose would be improbable because Prince had access to a full safe prescription of oxy (Percocet) that Dr S ADMITS TO THE POLICE was prescribed to Kirk but was meant for Prince on the 14th. Why would Prince have needed a scrip if he had the illegal fentanyl laced pills with him? Why would he have taken the illegal fentanyl laced pills after having a doctor prescribe safe pills?

moonsister said:

Obviously, Prince was only given the Narcan shot(s), because he refused treatment at the hospital. Are you the one stating there was in fact blood test run on the 14th, when we do not know that for sure?

The Narcan shots were most likely administered by medics prior to Prince even arriving at the hospital in Moline.


Edit to add:
Furthermore, when given Narcan shots, and you have in fact OD'd on opiates,it is common that the person needs to "stabilize" for a few hours. This is probably all Prince did at the hospital was stabilize. Hence the plane not departing foe some hours.
[b][Edited 5/10/17 15:00pm]

precioux said:

You have very, very low expectations of medical care. Do you really think an airplane makes an emergency landing, the person in critical condition just so happens to be PRINCE, and medical personnel just throw up their hands after the Narcan shots, and stands around and waits for Prince to be perfectly coherent to where he can refuse treatment?

i agree -- they gave him the narcan on the tarmac, he revived, and the knew what they were dealing with: an opioid overdose. We don't know that Prince agreed to any other tests or that they gave him any other speciifc treatment at all in the hospital.

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The kind of tests that they conducted after he died that IDed the specific typed of drugs in his system took many weeks to get the results of. I doubt that would be any kind of normal protocol to conduct that kind of blood testing after a revived opioid overdose.

precioux said:

moonsister said:

The test was done in the hospital on the 14th because Prince had just almost died on board a plane. The doctor needs to know exactly what they are treating, and they do this with a blood test. Obviously they knew it was an overdose, but they are not just going to limit their care to the Narcan shots, then send him on his way. This was serious! [b][Edited 5/10/17 14:14pm][/b

Obviously, Prince was only given the Narcan shot(s), because he refused treatment at the hospital. Are you the one stating there was in fact blood test run on the 14th, when we do not know that for sure? The Narcan shots were most likely administered by medics prior to Prince even arriving at the hospital in Moline.

precioux said:

It makes sense that they would take blood but do they test for everything that could have poisoned him??I thought I read somewhere that some poisons go undetected because it's rare that it's included in the standard drug screen. I agree that Prince himself may have had his own, very in depth testing done to find out why he almost died on the plane.
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moonsister said:

Excuse me? This has nothing to do with MY expectations of any medical field. FACT is the warrant states by the Dr in Moline that Prince refused treatment. Period

Again, where is the evidence that blood test were run and the results?

Thank you,disch- someone with a little common sense as well as the medical field around here is nice ;)

disch said:

precioux said:

You're right. I don't think there was actual proof that a blood test took place in Moline. Prince could have refused And had his own test done possibly. Could Prince have also played the JW card and said you can't touch my blood. Just a thought. He could have been completely conscience as well after the shots on the ambulance

disch said:

I guess that's possible but then why would the doctor have prescribed Percocet (oxy) when Vicodin is not as strong and is what Prince was used to taking? Seems to me he would have just prescribed Vicodin. I think Prince was prescribed Percocet because that is what Prince asked for.

But no matter what he overdosed on on the 14th, I think he died from an accidental overdose brought on by his opioid addiction, and not that someone deliberately killed him. Those of you who think he was murdered? I don't agree with you, for me the evidence is just not there.
[Edited 5/10/17 15:51pm]

moonsister said:

Prince died because someone gave him a fake pill that contained fentanyl.

Even on the 14th he was given something that he was unaware of...Kirk said maybe it was Percocet and your correct in thinking that P thought it may have been Vicodin but was given the wrong pills and that dosage would cause harm as they were not intended for Prince.
Those fake pills were brought in to do Prince harm on the 20th.
Strange how whom ever called the Cali Drs knew there was going to be an issue and dealing with a gravely ill man before it happened.

Thanks precioux Even though I am not part of the medical field (or legal field) I do strive for common sense!

precioux said:

Thank you,disch- someone with a little common sense as well as the medical field around here is nice disch said:

i agree -- they gave him the narcan on the tarmac, he revived, and the knew what they were dealing with: an opioid overdose. We don't know that Prince agreed to any other tests or that they gave him any other speciifc treatment at all in the hospital.

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The kind of tests that they conducted after he died that IDed the specific typed of drugs in his system took many weeks to get the results of. I doubt that would be any kind of normal protocol to conduct that kind of blood testing after a revived opioid overdose.

cloveringold85 said:

It does not matter if they ran test on him or not because we are never going to know the results and nothing was reported in the media about test. It is s unknown factor and we got a few people making up results. We only know that he O.D on that plane and that is all we know.

um, we don't know that he ever had a hair-strand test, and we don't know what opioid caused the plane OD.

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It seems unlikely to me he had a hair strand test, simply because what would be the reason he'd choose to have a test like that? But regardless, we have little credible info about this at all so your comment that we "know" something about this is innacurate.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Hair follicle tests can determine if the drug was used within 90 days.

So we know he was not overdosing on Fentenyl on the plane.

I just read a comment on the "Delirious 4 Prince" FB page that the security guard assigned to Prince's room in Moline said the ward was cleared for him but he refused to stay. If true, this proves the private room story was a lie.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

moonsister said:

I guess that's possible but then why would the doctor have prescribed Percocet (oxy) when Vicodin is not as strong and is what Prince was used to taking? Seems to me he would have just prescribed Vicodin. I think Prince was prescribed Percocet because that is what Prince asked for. But no matter what he overdosed on on the 14th, I think he died from an accidental overdose brought on by his opioid addiction, and not that someone deliberately killed him. Those of you who think he was murdered? I don't agree with you, for me the evidence is just not there. [Edited 5/10/17 15:51pm]

Prince died because someone gave him a fake pill that contained fentanyl. Even on the 14th he was given something that he was unaware of...Kirk said maybe it was Percocet and your correct in thinking that P thought it may have been Vicodin but was given the wrong pills and that dosage would cause harm as they were not intended for Prince. Those fake pills were brought in to do Prince harm on the 20th. Strange how whom ever called the Cali Drs knew there was going to be an issue and dealing with a gravely ill man before it happened.

Prince died because HE, gave himself the fake pill. Prince took those pills by his own hand, they were self administered.

Thanks precioux Even though I am not part of the medical field (or legal field) I do strive for common sense!

precioux said:

Thank you,disch- someone with a little common sense as well as the medical field around here is nice disch said:

i agree -- they gave him the narcan on the tarmac, he revived, and the knew what they were dealing with: an opioid overdose. We don't know that Prince agreed to any other tests or that they gave him any other speciifc treatment at all in the hospital.

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The kind of tests that they conducted after he died that IDed the specific typed of drugs in his system took many weeks to get the results of. I doubt that would be any kind of normal protocol to conduct that kind of blood testing after a revived opioid overdose.

In regards to Normal Protocol....

Its fairly Normal Protocol on admission to Hospital that the patient is asked by Medics, Nurses, or dotors "What medications do you take ?"

Surely , Given that he was on an airplane, at the time of the supposed overdose, someone asked Prince what he had taken ?

How could Prince have avoided giving a direct answer....?

After they Narcan-ed him, I am sure he was in no mood to share anything.

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

The doctor did not say the Oxy was meant for Prince. The doctor said he prescribed no pain pills for Prince ever. In fact this was reported back on the 21st by the AP wire services because the warrant was left open. Why do you keep saying this?

READ THE WARRANT PAGE 4 LAST PARAGRAPH http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-22.pdf

The only problem is that the doctor was not reported as saying this at the scence via AP wire reports on the 21 from the open warrant. Also he sent out a press release saying again that he never prescribed controlled substances for Prince. There are statements that he only wrote pain meds for Kirk and they found those pill bottles with Kirk's name on them which Kirk lied to the police about.

Dr. S is still working as a doctor don't you think if his paperwork did not match up he would not be working after all how many doctors can explain writing Rx for pain pills for patients who are suppose to be withdrawing. Even if he did write the pain pills for Prince why did Prince not take them instead of the bootlegg pills if he had legit pain pills? Do you see how none of this makes any sense.

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“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

It does not matter because we are never going to know and he died from an overdose of Fentenyl,

Lovejunky said:

Thanks precioux Even though I am not part of the medical field (or legal field) I do strive for common sense!

precioux said:

Thank you,disch- someone with a little common sense as well as the medical field around here is nice disch said:

In regards to Normal Protocol....

Its fairly Normal Protocol on admission to Hospital that the patient is asked by Medics, Nurses, or dotors "What medications do you take ?"

Surely , Given that he was on an airplane, at the time of the supposed overdose, someone asked Prince what he had taken ?

How could Prince have avoided giving a direct answer....?

I believe we are discussing after he passed since he did not have a history of using Fentenyl per the ME.

disch said:

um, we don't know that he ever had a hair-strand test, and we don't know what opioid caused the plane OD.

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It seems unlikely to me he had a hair strand test, simply because what would be the reason he'd choose to have a test like that? But regardless, we have little credible info about this at all so your comment that we "know" something about this is innacurate.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: So we know he was not overdosing on Fentenyl on the plane.

I think we've discussed this before, but the ME never made any statement about this. The only statement from the ME is the autopsy summary which doesn't offer any info about Prince's drug history.

laurarichardson said:

I believe we are discussing after he passed since he did not have a history of using Fentenyl per the ME.

disch said:

um, we don't know that he ever had a hair-strand test, and we don't know what opioid caused the plane OD.

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It seems unlikely to me he had a hair strand test, simply because what would be the reason he'd choose to have a test like that? But regardless, we have little credible info about this at all so your comment that we "know" something about this is innacurate.

PennyPurple said:

This. Heartbreaking, but true.

Why does it look like I said above in Laura's post above

"So we know he was not overdosing on Fentenyl on the plane"

I never said that because I dont believe we know that answer.

If P refused treatment that means they never even admitted him into the ER.

okay all you crazy folks, bye, its been fun. The below was taken from the warrant I have linked to above.

Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that
Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to
Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the
emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

[Edited 5/10/17 18:57pm]

That statement was in the media and it has been discussed a millon times. It was determined that he was not a long term user of Fentenyl and that drug was not in his system from the test with Dr. S from the day before. You know they have looked in all Prince's medical records so they know what he was being treated for and what was going on with him by now.

disch said:

I think we've discussed this before, but the ME never made any statement about this. The only statement from the ME is the autopsy summary which doesn't offer any info about Prince's drug history.

laurarichardson said:

I believe we are discussing after he passed since he did not have a history of using Fentenyl per the ME.

Some people think he overdoes on Fentenyl on the plane We do not know what he overdoes on at all.

And you are correct if he refused any sort of treatment ( which again came from TMZ ) was he even admitted to the ER. The hospital is still saying they never had anybody by that name in the hospital.

Even the ambulance report is completly blocked out. We know nothing about Moline other than the call for an ambulance and what Kirk said.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why does it look like I said above in Laura's post above

"So we know he was not overdosing on Fentenyl on the plane"

I never said that because I dont believe we know that answer.

If P refused treatment that means they never even admitted him into the ER.

I agree that it's been discussed a lot, but it wasn't a statement from the medical examiner. The statement about negative fentanyl tests "prior to his death" came from an unnamed official cited in this August AP story. It doesn't specify that the tests were by Dr. S. or that they happened the day prior to his death (though that seems a reasonable theory, as confirmation that he was free of opioids would be recommended before starting suboxone treatment).

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For me, that's not enough info to say that I "know" his history with fentanyl -- specifically, that fentanyl played no role in his plane OD.

laurarichardson said:

That statement was in the media and it has been discussed a millon times. It was determined that he was not a long term user of Fentenyl and that drug was not in his system from the test with Dr. S from the day before. You know they have looked in all Prince's medical records so they know what he was being treated for and what was going on with him by now.

disch said:

I think we've discussed this before, but the ME never made any statement about this. The only statement from the ME is the autopsy summary which doesn't offer any info about Prince's drug history.

(though that seems a reasonable theory, as confirmation that he was free of opioids would be recommended before starting suboxone treatment)

Jesus help me. We are going to be resoanable and take the test as confirmation. We also know he was not free of opiods so the treatment by the non-doctor was going to be a mess the next day.

disch said:

I agree that it's been discussed a lot, but it wasn't a statement from the medical examiner. The statement about negative fentanyl tests "prior to his death" came from an unnamed official cited in this August AP story. It doesn't specify that the tests were by Dr. S. or that they happened the day prior to his death (though that seems a reasonable theory, as confirmation that he was free of opioids would be recommended before starting suboxone treatment).

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For me, that's not enough info to say that I "know" his history with fentanyl -- specifically, that fentanyl played no role in his plane OD.

laurarichardson said:

That statement was in the media and it has been discussed a millon times. It was determined that he was not a long term user of Fentenyl and that drug was not in his system from the test with Dr. S from the day before. You know they have looked in all Prince's medical records so they know what he was being treated for and what was going on with him by now.