mrmaxwell said:

I noticed that a companion Audio Cd of DVD Syraruce (PR DELUXE) is due 4 release in the BOx too....so we can suspect that maybe more than 5 Cds/DVDs will be released...a packaging more important that we thought 1st > Remember the WB Press release back in february > 3 cds+2 DVDs !

I really Hope that all the Details from the different configurations of PR DELUXE coming up 2day with his Press Release!

@Sifi > Fell free 2 add details if u can...1000 thanx in advance...We appreciate ur input & comments here !!

love2thenines2003 said:

JudasLChrist said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I noticed that a companion Audio Cd of DVD Syraruce (PR DELUXE) is due 4 release in the BOx too....so we can suspect that maybe more than 5 Cds/DVDs will be released...a packaging more important that we thought 1st > Remember the WB Press release back in february > 3 cds+2 DVDs !

I really Hope that all the Details from the different configurations of PR DELUXE coming up 2day with his Press Release!

@Sifi > Fell free 2 add details if u can...1000 thanx in advance...We appreciate ur input & comments here !!

Where did you hear that an audio disk of Syracuse was going to be included. Incidentally, I was at Guitar Center a few weeks ago, and they were selling audio CDs of the Syracuse show. I totally raised my eyebrow at it, it wasn't Warner Bros. or any recognizable label.

http://blog.thecurrent.or...ecordings/

"The tracks have been carefully transferred from the stereo masters at Paisley Park, and mastered by Bernie Grundman — the mastering engineer who worked on the original album. The reissue will also include a concert film recorded in Syracuse on March 30, 1985, with audio remastered by Grundman. Here’s the track list for the audio discs. The set was originally announced with a June 9 release date, but that may be pushed back a couple of weeks."

PS>Maybe i understood wrong?

love2thenines2003 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

JudasLChrist said:

love2thenines2003 said: Where did you hear that an audio disk of Syracuse was going to be included. Incidentally, I was at Guitar Center a few weeks ago, and they were selling audio CDs of the Syracuse show. I totally raised my eyebrow at it, it wasn't Warner Bros. or any recognizable label.

http://blog.thecurrent.or...ecordings/

"The tracks have been carefully transferred from the stereo masters at Paisley Park, and mastered by Bernie Grundman — the mastering engineer who worked on the original album. The reissue will also include a concert film recorded in Syracuse on March 30, 1985, with audio remastered by Grundman. Here’s the track list for the audio discs. The set was originally announced with a June 9 release date, but that may be pushed back a couple of weeks."

PS>Maybe i understood wrong?

That post has been around as long as Militant's one here. It's not any more official than any other info we have.

mrmaxwell said:

purpleprime said:

has anyone else noticed that it say's "Disc 1:Purple Rain (2015 Paisley Park Remaster)".......but it say's nothing about the other 2 discs being remastered.....I bet ya there just mastered and louder just like "Ultimate Prince" .....

You can't remaster tracks that haven't been mastered a first time!!!

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Well, yes, you can.

There are so many misunderstandings and false ideas about the term 'mastering' in people's minds, even within the music industry, it's unbelievable. (If you all want, I can put together a detailed explanation for the forum, but I'm not sure how many would read it.)

'Mastering' is a very broad term used in music production, potentially it covers a lot of different technical processes – and I'm saying "potentially" because a lot of times there really isn't too much done to a certain recording after it has been mixed.

Also, the meaning of 'mastering' has changed a lot over time: mastering for a vinyl record in the 60's meant very different processes to what it means today, when mastering something for the iTunes store, for example.

As I've mentioned in a more detailed post about this a few months ago, the term 'master tape' or 'master recording' can also mean entirely different things – and let's not even talk about the process called 'glass mastering' which is also something often confused with 'mastering' – so sometimes when people talk about 'mastering' it's important to clarify which part of the production process we're referring to.

Sometimes a recording is simply mixed and the producer decides that the resulting 2-track ('mixdown') tape will require no further processes, so it's declared to be the 'master'. (I'm fairly certain that most of Prince's unreleased 'masters' are at this stage, as they have not been sent to a mastering engineer to do further work on them, there was no need to, since most of them have never become part of a planned release.) When such a 'master' is pulled out of the vault and becomes part of a new release, it is common to work on it a bit more to make it sound like the rest of the release (in terms of EQ and levels, for example), therefore it is 'remastered', even though it hasn't been 'mastered' before.

Just seen this track list!

Disk 2 sucks a bit.

Disk 3... worrying that Roadhouse Garden is on this. Isn't there a full album that could be released later?

As has been said, it would have been nicer to have the longer mixes and the associated artist tracks!

james said:

Just seen this track list!

Disk 2 sucks a bit.

Disk 3... worrying that Roadhouse Garden is on this. Isn't there a full album that could be released later?

As has been said, it would have been nicer to have the longer mixes and the associated artist tracks!

At this point nothing is official yet.

MiceElfAgin said:

mrmaxwell said:

You can't remaster tracks that haven't been mastered a first time!!!

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Well, yes, you can....

Sometimes a recording is simply mixed and the producer decides that the resulting 2-track ('mixdown') tape will require no further processes, so it's declared to be the 'master'. (I'm fairly certain that most of Prince's unreleased 'masters' are at this stage, as they have not been sent to a mastering engineer to do further work on them, there was no need to, since most of them have never become part of a planned release.) When such a 'master' is pulled out of the vault and becomes part of a new release, it is common to work on it a bit more to make it sound like the rest of the release (in terms of EQ and levels, for example), therefore it is 'remastered', even though it hasn't been 'mastered' before.

Susan Rogers has advised most of the unreleased tracks she engineered with Prince ended up as 2-track mixdowns and many were one or two takes only. I wouldn't call these masters in the completeness sense but as you note anyone can call any recording anything they want if they so wish. A relative quote from Susan;

"When we'd mix, I'd just hit "record" on the 2-track and do it live. People have asked me about him being a perfectionist. He was not a perfectionist. There was nothing perfect about it. What he was was a virtuoso. He was that fluent on so many instruments that we could go super-fast. There was no perfection involved"

mrmaxwell said:

MiceElfAgin said:

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Well, yes, you can....

Sometimes a recording is simply mixed and the producer decides that the resulting 2-track ('mixdown') tape will require no further processes, so it's declared to be the 'master'. (I'm fairly certain that most of Prince's unreleased 'masters' are at this stage, as they have not been sent to a mastering engineer to do further work on them, there was no need to, since most of them have never become part of a planned release.) When such a 'master' is pulled out of the vault and becomes part of a new release, it is common to work on it a bit more to make it sound like the rest of the release (in terms of EQ and levels, for example), therefore it is 'remastered', even though it hasn't been 'mastered' before.

Susan Rogers has advised most of the unreleased tracks she engineered with Prince ended up as 2-track mixdowns and many were one or two takes only. I wouldn't call these masters in the completeness sense but as you note anyone can call any recording anything they want if they so wish.

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They are masters too, because they are finished products of the recording and mixing process. I think one of the reasons there is so much misunderstanding around the term 'mastering' is that people assume every recording HAS to go through some extra, mysterious process after it has been mixed, but it is not the case.

I really feel I should write a long, detailed post about mastering... But in short: "mastering" is sometimes as simple as performing a fade-out or just adding ISRC to a track. Sometimes it's not needed at all, especially when the mixing engineer has already done a great job. And sometimes people apply a hundred different processes to a track "to make it sound better" (and call it 'mastering') – and sometimes it will sound better, sometimes they mess it up.

Just to be clear: what Susan meant on most mixdows being 1-2 takes only is that she was mixing live (playing back the 2" multitrack, riding the faders manually as opposed to using automation and recording it straight to 1/4") and usually she got it right in just 1 go (or in 2).

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bluegangsta said:

bonatoc said:

jjam said:

Well the audio for the package has been remastered by Bernie Grundman from the masters, who did the original release - which bodes well...

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That sold it to me on the spot.
Finally, Bernie tweaking the knobs again! I coud be wrong, but I don't think he's the type to sell his ass to the Loudness Wars.

(...)

Susan Rogers liking it is also good news.

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Indeed, this helps a lot!

But how to explain the '2 albums of unreleased music' thing?

MiceElfAgin said:

mrmaxwell said:

Susan Rogers has advised most of the unreleased tracks she engineered with Prince ended up as 2-track mixdowns and many were one or two takes only. I wouldn't call these masters in the completeness sense but as you note anyone can call any recording anything they want if they so wish.

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They are masters too, because they are finished products of the recording and mixing process. I think one of the reasons there is so much misunderstanding around the term 'mastering' is that people assume every recording HAS to go through some extra, mysterious process after it has been mixed, but it is not the case.

I really feel I should write a long, detailed post about mastering... But in short: "mastering" is sometimes as simple as performing a fade-out or just adding ISRC to a track. Sometimes it's not needed at all, especially when the mixing engineer has already done a great job. And sometimes people apply a hundred different processes to a track "to make it sound better" (and call it 'mastering') – and sometimes it will sound better, sometimes they mess it up.

Just to be clear: what Susan meant on most mixdows being 1-2 takes only is that she was mixing live (playing back the 2" multitrack, riding the faders manually as opposed to using automation and recording it straight to 1/4") and usually she got it right in just 1 go (or in 2).

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like Stevies "Songs In The Key Of Life" cd remaster...sound awfull, flat and highly compressed...really want the audio fidelity cd version....but it costs a fortune....

purpleprime said:

has anyone else noticed that it say's "Disc 1:Purple Rain (2015 Paisley Park Remaster)".......but it say's nothing about the other 2 discs being remastered.....

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Have you tried reading this thread first, which contains info WRT the mastering of those tracks? Or were you too busy posting an unfounded assumption?

BartVanHemelen said:

purpleprime said:

has anyone else noticed that it say's "Disc 1:Purple Rain (2015 Paisley Park Remaster)".......but it say's nothing about the other 2 discs being remastered.....

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Have you tried reading this thread first, which contains info WRT the mastering of those tracks? Or were you too busy posting an unfounded assumption?

unfounded how?.....point me to were it say's those other tracks are remastered on the original text??......it quite clearly states "Disc 1:Purple Rain (2015 Paisley Park Remaster)"......and then just "Disc 2...with the list of song's...and Disc 3 with the list of song's....music companys do like doing things cheaply you know?....but im sure the EQ levels will be up for the other 2 disc's......and if it is done as good as the "Ultimate" compilation (which was not remastered..even tho it soundeed good).....ill be happy...ofcourse originally "Erotic City 12 inch" was meant to be on ultimate...so im sure thats the version we will have of that paticular song, to save them time...since they already have it in the can

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purpleprime said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Have you tried reading this thread first, which contains info WRT the mastering of those tracks? Or were you too busy posting an unfounded assumption?

unfounded how?.....point me to were it say's those other tracks are remastered on the original text??......it quite clearly states "Disc 1:Purple Rain (2015 Paisley Park Remaster)"......and then just "Disc 2...with the list of song's...and Disc 3 with the list of song's....music companys do like doing things cheaply you know?....but im sure the EQ levels will be up for the other 2 disc's......and if it is done as good as the "Ultimate" compilation (which was not remastered..even tho it soundeed good).....ill be happy...ofcourse originally "Erotic City 12 inch" was meant to be on ultimate...so im sure thats the version we will have of that paticular song, to save them time...since they already have it in the can

[Edited 4/26/17 7:39am]

Please bear in mind that this isn't an official announcement. That list was put together by Militant based on information in a database of record releases. We need to wait for more official information regarding this release.


Militant's comment on this in the very first post of this thread :

Last night, I got a tip from an industry insider that Warner Bros had registered all the tracks for Purple Rain Deluxe. As a songwriter myself with registered works, I have access to these databases - after following the lead wediscovered the following registrations - all recently registered by Warners marked with a 2017 release date and with full ISRC codes (These codes are used to identify released works across platforms).

MiceElfAgin said:

jaypotton said:

MiceElfAgin said:

Well I would read it. Would be fascinating.

I second that remark also.....the guy defintley knows his stuff....unlike some on here who think they do.....

mushmackalenta said:

Ok people are still talking as if this is gonna get released soon. At what point are you going to all realise this ain't happening in June. Does no one else think it's really weird nothing at all has been heard about the release since they gave out the initial details in February.

if it is postponed it would be nice of them to at least say *something* about it.
they obviously know about all the speculation and even asked militant to take
down the initial post due to use of copyrighted artwork.

if the set is pushed back, what's wrong with telling the fans?

IstenSzek said:

mushmackalenta said:

Ok people are still talking as if this is gonna get released soon. At what point are you going to all realise this ain't happening in June. Does no one else think it's really weird nothing at all has been heard about the release since they gave out the initial details in February.

if it is postponed it would be nice of them to at least say *something* about it.
they obviously know about all the speculation and even asked militant to take
down the initial post due to use of copyrighted artwork.

if the set is pushed back, what's wrong with telling the fans?

the set is most probably going to be pushed back after they have read all the negative comments on here, some peopel are just greedy.....i cant understand people moaning about the 2nd disc...those B-Sides especially are essential and we have never had them in high-quality and there moaning that they wanted another disc worth of unreleased material....yet they have 75 minutes worth on disc 3!!...we are bloody lucky to even get this after he left no will and the inner turmoil in the estate...I thought we would be waiting 10 years for even a sniff!!!....

Still no pre order or an offical tracklist, and this thing is still scheduled for June? WB's silence has been deafening. The same silence we're gotten use to since 2014.

i always start out like 'urgh, those are horrible, why are those even in here? who eats those?'

and two days later, when the good ones are gone and there's no other chocolate in the house
i'm like 'meh, these are not so bad, i'll have some of these'

third day, there's only wrappers left in the box

IstenSzek said:

mushmackalenta said:

Ok people are still talking as if this is gonna get released soon. At what point are you going to all realise this ain't happening in June. Does no one else think it's really weird nothing at all has been heard about the release since they gave out the initial details in February.

if it is postponed it would be nice of them to at least say *something* about it.
they obviously know about all the speculation and even asked militant to take
down the initial post due to use of copyrighted artwork.

if the set is pushed back, what's wrong with telling the fans?

I'm wondering why Warners are being so secretive about this release.What is their problem?! This set has the potential to be HUGE,but they're not doing anything to hype it up! They're not even bothering to put out a press release If they somehow screw this up and decide NOT to release it,I'm gonna be pissed!!

dadeepop said:

i always start out like 'urgh, those are horrible, why are those even in here? who eats those?'

and two days later, when the good ones are gone and there's no other chocolate in the house
i'm like 'meh, these are not so bad, i'll have some of these'

third day, there's only wrappers left in the box

******************************************* I do the same exact thing.

and they know that. that's why they can afford to keep putting
those horrible ones in those boxes. they know we'll eat them up
eventually

purpleprime said:

For the lazy and curious ones :


Bernie Grundman is one of the most prominent names in Mastering world wide. He has been directly or indirectly, by his studio staff of engineers, behind hundreds of gold and platinum recordings. He has personally mastered some of the industry's landmark recordings, such as:
Carol King's "tapestry",
Steely Dan's "Aja",
Michael Jackson's "Thriller",
Prince's "Purple rain",
and Dr. Dre's "the Chronic".

In addition He has worked on albums by a veritable who's who of the music industry, such as:
The Carpenters,
Herb Alpert,
Sergio Mendes,
The Doors,
Joe Cocker,
Joni Mitchell,
Burt Backarach,
Jackson Brown,
Linda Ronstadt,
James Taylor,
Supertramp,
Procol Harum,
Rod Stewart,
Fleetwood Mac,
Janet Jackson,
Quincy Jones,
Outkast,
Ludicrous,
Mos Def,
Mary J. Blidge,
Lucinda Williams,
Jack Johnson & Macy Gray.

Born in Minneapolis, ... ( )



Suffice to say, this shit has a high risk of sounding awesome
(sure hope par to the original german WEA vinyls).

The blabber above about mastering being a facultative process is NONSENSE.
Even jazz records or classical music records go through mastering, especially in the analog era, where it was very ill-advised to have your needles go in the red, or below a certain dB level, for the master acetate. Like you wouldn't show a movie's final edit directly in a theater, EVERY commercialized record goes through a mastering process. The only case where it doesn't is if it's for your mama.

Mastering is not just mere preparation for mass replication of the record. It is also the last chance of putting the final mix into some fresh, expert third-party ears. The mastering engineer applies some surgical audio adjustments and subtle embellishments with state-of-the-art EQs, compressors, limiters, enhancers, spatializers. Mastering engineers of the level of Mr. Grundman are a very, very rare breed.

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bonatoc said:

For the lazy and curious ones :


Bernie Grundman is one of the most prominent names in Mastering world wide. He has been directly or indirectly, by his studio staff of engineers, behind hundreds of gold and platinum recordings. He has personally mastered some of the industry's landmark recordings, such as:
Carol King's "tapestry",
Steely Dan's "Aja",
Michael Jackson's "Thriller",
Prince's "Purple rain",
and Dr. Dre's "the Chronic".

In addition He has worked on albums by a veritable who's who of the music industry, such as:
The Carpenters,
Herb Alpert,
Sergio Mendes,
The Doors,
Joe Cocker,
Joni Mitchell,
Burt Backarach,
Jackson Brown,
Linda Ronstadt,
James Taylor,
Supertramp,
Procol Harum,
Rod Stewart,
Fleetwood Mac,
Janet Jackson,
Quincy Jones,
Outkast,
Ludicrous,
Mos Def,
Mary J. Blidge,
Lucinda Williams,
Jack Johnson & Macy Gray.

Born in Minneapolis, ... ( )

Suffice to say, this shit has a high risk of sounding awesome
(sure hope par to the original german WEA vinyls).

Nonsense. Bernie Grundman adhears to industry standards and requests like most mastering engineers do. Take a listen to MJ's Invincible album and tell me that Grundman is a 100% hitter.

bluegangsta said:

bonatoc said:

For the lazy and curious ones :


Bernie Grundman is one of the most prominent names in Mastering world wide. He has been directly or indirectly, by his studio staff of engineers, behind hundreds of gold and platinum recordings. He has personally mastered some of the industry's landmark recordings, such as:
Carol King's "tapestry",
Steely Dan's "Aja",
Michael Jackson's "Thriller",
Prince's "Purple rain",
and Dr. Dre's "the Chronic".

Nonsense. Bernie Grundman adhears to industry standards and requests like most mastering engineers do. Take a listen to MJ's Invincible album and tell me that Grundman is a 100% hitter.

Now you're playing the naysayer just to get all eyes on you.
We get it, you're against the whole project, you made your statement through pages and pages.
And now you're just embarassing yourself. The man also got to eat. Sure he's gonna work on some horseshit from time to time.

He's a legend, and guys like Bob Ludwig and him practically wrote the whole book for the industry, and therefore the "standards" you're referring to. Do you happen to have any experience in high-end professional studios ? If not, save it.

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