bilbolives said:

love2thenines2003 said:

bilbolives said:

http://www.startribune.com/from-reissues-to-reunions-what-prince-fans-can-look-forward-to-this-year/420184433/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting on the "Purple Rain" reissue as well as other upcoming events.

I think Star Tribune is speculating a lot about the Reissues !

So its June 16th now...

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love2thenines2003 said:

I was almost sure that at the end of the Celebration in PPark a press release from WB was due.....but I was wrong....at this stage no press announcement from WB 4 PR Deluxe....I wonder when and if the Box will be released in the end...grrrrr! [Edited 4/24/17 1:19am]

Even if it was announced today, Purple Rain could't be released before june 24th. A physical release has to be announced, priced, and tracklisted at least two months before the D-day.

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If it is ever released, I think september 2017 would be more realistic. I don't see WBR releasing it in summer, otherwise the sales would be disappointing.

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I still think there are legal issues surrounding the project. Otherwise, it would have been released last year (not to mention the fact that it was supposed to be released 3 years ago).

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The material, audio and video, is in WB's vault for more than 30 years, so if they still don't release it, is because they still can't.

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RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I was almost sure that at the end of the Celebration in PPark a press release from WB was due.....but I was wrong....at this stage no press announcement from WB 4 PR Deluxe....I wonder when and if the Box will be released in the end...grrrrr! [Edited 4/24/17 1:19am]

Even if it was announced today, Purple Rain could't be released before june 24th. A physical release has to be announced, priced, and tracklisted at least two months before the D-day.

Not really, the Fleetwood Mac "Tango In The Night" reissues were announced on 25 January for a 10 March release (even though it was then delayed by three weeks). The Stevie Nicks deluxe editions for "Bella Donna" and "Wild Heart" were announced 5 October 2016 with a 4 November 2016 release date. And all these are on Warner/Reprise just like "Purple Rain". Then of course there are "surprise"-albums like Beyonce's "Lemonade" that were released without any notice whatsoever.

So 16 June or even 9 June still is possible.

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whitesockedfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

Even if it was announced today, Purple Rain could't be released before june 24th. A physical release has to be announced, priced, and tracklisted at least two months before the D-day.

Not really, the Fleetwood Mac "Tango In The Night" reissues were announced on 25 January for a 10 March release (even though it was then delayed by three weeks). The Stevie Nicks deluxe editions for "Bella Donna" and "Wild Heart" were announced 5 October 2016 with a 4 November 2016 release date. And all these are on Warner/Reprise just like "Purple Rain". Then of course there are "surprise"-albums like Beyonce's "Lemonade" that were released without any notice whatsoever.

So 16 June or even 9 June still is possible.

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TANGO IN THE NIGHT : not relevant here because it was announced more than 2 months before release (!)

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LEMONADE is not a physical release, so not relevant at all here. Digital release, so no stocks needed. It can be announced the day before.

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The Stevie Nicks reissues are a niche, WB doesn't need two months to print them, and amazon won't be flooded by hundred of thousand of unplanned orders and deliveries.

RODSERLING said:

udo said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You've already shown you know nothing about this release, yet here you are bitching and whining. This release was obviously held up since at least 2015 because Prince was sabotaging the process.

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What P did was his fault.

After his death, why didn't WB release the PR remaster within a month of his cremation?

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Because things don't work that fast. Also: contractual minefield.

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I am not whining nor bitching when I state the obvious fact that WB cannot even get close to find the actual optimum release frequency which brings them the most cash. Where and when ever did they experiment, in the past two decades, with multiple Prince releases per year? Different products based on one release? (3-disc PR for Joe Blow, 5-disc for the fans...)

Where and when will they experiment to find out the ctual optimum release frequency which brings them the most cash?

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This is beyond naive.

jaypotton said:

RODSERLING said:

TANGO IN THE NIGHT : not relevant here because it was announced more than 2 months before release (!)

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LEMONADE is not a physical release, so not relevant at all here. Digital release, so no stocks needed. It can be announced the day before.

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The Stevie Nicks reissues are a niche, WB doesn't need two months to print them, and amazon won't be flooded by hundred of thousand of unplanned orders and deliveries.

Do YOU really think Amazon etc are going to be flooded with hundreds of thousands of unplanned orders for Purple Rain deluxe? I mean I hope it is THAT popular as that will demonstrate a potential level of demand for Prince going forward and we will get more!!!

Purple Rain usually sells 100.000 a year in the US only.

So if there is promotion for the deluxe edition, it could sold 500.000 in the US this year.

In the contrary, Sony released the THIS IS IT soundtrack exactly 4 months after MJ's death. It contained 5 unreleased tracks. One of which had even been reorchestrated (!). So of course it can be done that fast.

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MJ's contract with Sony was over since 2004. His estate and Sony signed in a hurry an agreement for this release, in order to benefit from MJ's death as quickly as possible.

And like Prince with WB, MJ was in a feud with Sony.

BartVanHemelen said:

udo said:

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Because things don't work that fast. Also: contractual minefield.

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I am not whining nor bitching when I state the obvious fact that WB cannot even get close to find the actual optimum release frequency which brings them the most cash. Where and when ever did they experiment, in the past two decades, with multiple Prince releases per year? Different products based on one release? (3-disc PR for Joe Blow, 5-disc for the fans...)

Where and when will they experiment to find out the ctual optimum release frequency which brings them the most cash?

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This is beyond naive.

udo said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Dude, please just do some of this work yourself. Visit PrinceVault and write it up yourself and ask for input here. But almost "demanding" us to do this for you: not cool. Also: read this thread. Plenty of info already here.

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Dude, I did check the princevault site.

Not all songs are there.

No all details, infos, stories are there.

If asking for such infos is already too much and princevault is supposed to be the one and only truth why don't we have edit access there?

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You could have easily written up the available info yourself (combining the data from PrinceVault and other resources, especially the info given in this thread), and then asked people to fill in the gaps. But that is not what you did.

RODSERLING said:

In the contrary, Sony released the THIS IS IT soundtrack exactly 4 months after MJ's death. It contained 5 unreleased tracks. One of which had even been reorchestrated (!). So of course it can be done that fast.

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MJ's contract with Sony was over since 2004. His estate and Sony signed in a hurry an agreement for this release, in order to benefit from MJ's death as quickly as possible.

And like Prince with WB, MJ was in a feud with Sony.

BartVanHemelen said:

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The feud is irrelevant. MJ's heirs wanted to cash in on his death and didn't spend a year battling each other. Simple as that.

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

In the contrary, Sony released the THIS IS IT soundtrack exactly 4 months after MJ's death. It contained 5 unreleased tracks. One of which had even been reorchestrated (!). So of course it can be done that fast.

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MJ's contract with Sony was over since 2004. His estate and Sony signed in a hurry an agreement for this release, in order to benefit from MJ's death as quickly as possible.

And like Prince with WB, MJ was in a feud with Sony.

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The feud is irrelevant. MJ's heirs wanted to cash in on his death and didn't spend a year battling each other. Simple as that.

Because Prince's heirs doesn't want to cash in on Prince's death ?

And MJ's brothers tried to take their part of the cake, and battled each other saying MJ's will was a fake, etc.

RODSERLING said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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The feud is irrelevant. MJ's heirs wanted to cash in on his death and didn't spend a year battling each other. Simple as that.

Because Prince's heirs doesn't want to cash in on Prince's death ?

And MJ's brothers tried to take their part of the cake, and battled each other saying MJ's will was a fake, etc.

The Estates job should be to generate and maximize income for the beneficiares of the estate. So no matter how you look at it, they will make money off of his death.

IMHO, in case WB is listening...

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The good

- WB had the sense not to include any Apollonia 6 or The Time material.

- Most single edits and extended cuts are included.

- Though I need to see how it works in sequence, I'll be glad to hear the CD of unreleased material as it is. Anything from the vault is good news anyway.

- WB and the estate seem to be legally capable of using Prince's versions of tracks Prince had given to other labels through another artist (TDE, in that case), which I feared they wouldn't.

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The bad

- Why announce 2 CD's then give only one? This is WB doing exactly what fans blamed Prince for doing all these years: misleading info and promises that lead nowhere... Bad business!

- No all tracks on CD 3 are from the PR sessions, in the sense that some were recorded after the album was sequenced/released. One can assume that this was done on purpose just to maintain a certain cohesiveness in sound, though, and honestly I don't really care as long as I get vault material in the end, but this doesn't make WB look too professional in terms of archiving.

- Technically, the original version of 4 The Time In Your Eyes was released before ATWIAD, therefore during the PR era, so it should have been included here. My guess is WB felt it belongs more on a potential ATWIAD remaster, though.

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The ugly

- There were actually no less than FIVE different single edits of Purple Rain and only one made the cut. I hope WB will have the sense of releasing the 4 others at least digitally on iTunes or something, particularly since some of those are very rare (there's 2 that I've never, ever found anywhere in digital format).

- Audio versions of the 4 live music videos (Baby, TMWU + 2 edits of IWD4U), as well as the AMA PR and the Grammy Baby I'm A Star TV performances should have been included. Hopefully WB will have the sense to include all of those in video format on one of the 2 DVD's alongside the other PR promo videos.

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On a sidenote regarding the DVD's, I'm not sure if those have ever been properly archived but the promo live clips from the PR tour sent to local TV stations would be a must on that DVD!

BartVanHemelen said:

ElectricDancer said:

BartVanHemelen, what is your problem? Every post I've ever seen by you in this and every thread is an attack on someone else with some smug superior attitude. It would be one thing if you made other positive contributions to this board, but all you ever do is post to pounce others. Every-single-time. You're fucked up man.

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Or you could read what I wrote and notice how I attack bad opinions which are often based on ill-informed ideas about how things work. It's you who posted a personal attack, not me. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong, simple as that.

Bart is right, I actually look forward to his well-reasoned and educated posts, while I skip many other posters' uninformed and naive rubbish.

I'm getting this for Disc 3, can't wait!

christobole said:

jaypotton said:

Oh for sure I would want more music (it would be about 35 mins more if I am being pedantic) but personally I would prefer that on another CD and keep the "album" as intended. Remember it will also be bought as a download so those unknowing youngsters may think all those b-sides were part of the "album". Maybe I am just old school but I would want to protect the integrity of the "album" Prince created The other thing people need to recognise is that, as Billy Sparks said, "this is a bidness mother fucker" [sic] and WB don't want to blow all their exploitable assets in one go. They can milk the Vault for years to come and can even milk PR further with the ultimate super duper deluxe edition with the 2 track demo version of the solo bass track intended for When Doves Cry included (I am joking but you see the point...record companies are still exploiting the Beatles recordings years later by releasing ever more obscure versions of known songs etc).

BINGO!

I've seen a few sources quote the 16th June so it would be good to know where this new date came from: WB or....?

databank said:

- Why announce 2 CD's then give only one?

Once again, it should be said that WB said "two albums of unreleased material". At 76 minutes, if you buy the vinyl version, that's exactly what you're gonna get. Sneaky wording, true, but not necessarily a bald-faced lie.

And as far as this 'one measly disc of unreleased material' goes, it's longer than 1999, and almost as long as Sign o' the Times. WB could have kept to their word and split it into two 38 minute (or so) cds, but then the cost of the package would go up and we'd all be crying about the unused disc space.

The alternative: jam-pack both cds with 80 minutes of music each? That'd translate to 4 LPs of unreleased music which, while desirable of course, would raise the cost of the vinyl set out of reach for a lot of people, I think.

But you're absolutely correct: WB could have said "1 cd/2 lps worth of unreleased material", and we'd all feel much better about the situation.

That said, I think it's a great set.

eyewishuheaven said:

databank said:

- Why announce 2 CD's then give only one?

Once again, it should be said that WB said "two albums of unreleased material". At 76 minutes, if you buy the vinyl version, that's exactly what you're gonna get. Sneaky wording, true, but not necessarily a bald-faced lie.

This begs the question, will there be a vinyl release of the unreleased tracks? Normally for these deluxe two-or-more disc deals they only release the first disc. I'd be surprised if they release more than just Purple Rain remastered on vinyl...I'll probably end up buying both the boxset and the vinyl.

tmcjb said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Once again, it should be said that WB said "two albums of unreleased material". At 76 minutes, if you buy the vinyl version, that's exactly what you're gonna get. Sneaky wording, true, but not necessarily a bald-faced lie.

This begs the question, will there be a vinyl release of the unreleased tracks? Normally for these deluxe two-or-more disc deals they only release the first disc. I'd be surprised if they release more than just Purple Rain remastered on vinyl...I'll probably end up buying both the boxset and the vinyl.

If they don't, then their statement will have been an out-and-out lie.

But I'm betting they will... it's been working for David Bowie!

BartVanHemelen said:

This is beyond naive.

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Assuming a commercial entity wants maximum gain is naive?

Assuming that they did not sufficiently research this fanbase is naive?

How many comparable cases did they encounter in the past two decades?

Dandroppedadime said:

I'm actually happy the full length original versions of the purple rain album are NOT included, as it allows for a future release where we can appreciate and digest the material while not taking away from the original 'edits' album (rightly released first). Also the bonus disk can feature the associates material including Wednesday, modernaire, plus the time and A6 material.

Great, now you're just encouraging them to release the same thing with a couple of unreleased tracks for every few anniversarys.

Abdul said:

jaypotton said:

Oh for sure I would want more music (it would be about 35 mins more if I am being pedantic) but personally I would prefer that on another CD and keep the "album" as intended. Remember it will also be bought as a download so those unknowing youngsters may think all those b-sides were part of the "album". Maybe I am just old school but I would want to protect the integrity of the "album" Prince created The other thing people need to recognise is that, as Billy Sparks said, "this is a bidness mother fucker" [sic] and WB don't want to blow all their exploitable assets in one go. They can milk the Vault for years to come and can even milk PR further with the ultimate super duper deluxe edition with the 2 track demo version of the solo bass track intended for When Doves Cry included (I am joking but you see the point...record companies are still exploiting the Beatles recordings years later by releasing ever more obscure versions of known songs etc).

BINGO!

Phsyical format will be a niche in 5 years. This is now or never.

tmcjb said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Once again, it should be said that WB said "two albums of unreleased material". At 76 minutes, if you buy the vinyl version, that's exactly what you're gonna get. Sneaky wording, true, but not necessarily a bald-faced lie.

This begs the question, will there be a vinyl release of the unreleased tracks? Normally for these deluxe two-or-more disc deals they only release the first disc. I'd be surprised if they release more than just Purple Rain remastered on vinyl...I'll probably end up buying both the boxset and the vinyl.

A recent example of this is the remastered version of Boys For Pele by Tori Amos. The CD contained a whole bunch of additional tracks that the vinyl didn't have. The download card that came with the vinyl also only included the album tracks.