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Reply #210 posted 04/17/17 9:38am

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pld71 said:

I wonder when Kirk will be prosecuted? The doctor didnt write the drug prescription for Prince. Legally it was written for Kirk who then illegally gave them to Prince.

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Just because he did something technically illegal doesn't mean that they will prosecute him for it.

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Reply #211 posted 04/17/17 9:39am

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luv4u said:

pld71 said:

I wonder when Kirk will be prosecuted? The doctor didnt write the drug prescription for Prince. Legally it was written for Kirk who then illegally gave them to Prince.



Is Kirk going to be used as the 'scapegoat' ???

Is nailing him or anyone involved for that matter going to bring Prince back?


We have laws in this country. Why should this guy get a pass?

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Reply #212 posted 04/17/17 9:39am

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See October 20th 2016. Request to reseal documents.

What is the importance of this? I missed something.

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Reply #213 posted 04/17/17 9:39am

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FunkiestOne said:

pld71 said:

I wonder when Kirk will be prosecuted? The doctor didnt write the drug prescription for Prince. Legally it was written for Kirk who then illegally gave them to Prince.

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Just because he did something technically illegal doesn't mean that they will prosecute him for it.

Why because it is okay to facilitate the death of a rock star?

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Reply #214 posted 04/17/17 9:40am

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babynoz said:

Before anybody gets it more twisted. Here is exactly what the warrant says. We need to be specific and NOT leave out details, otherwise it's just more misinformation.


"Your Affiant was made aware by witnesses that were interviewed at the scene, that Prince recently had a history of going through withdrawals"

yeahthat

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Reply #215 posted 04/17/17 9:40am

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FunkiestOne said:

pld71 said:

I wonder when Kirk will be prosecuted? The doctor didnt write the drug prescription for Prince. Legally it was written for Kirk who then illegally gave them to Prince.

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Just because he did something technically illegal doesn't mean that they will prosecute him for it.

Why because it is okay to facilitate the death of a rock star?

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Reply #216 posted 04/17/17 9:40am

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laurarichardson said:

luv4u said:



Is Kirk going to be used as the 'scapegoat' ???

Is nailing him or anyone involved for that matter going to bring Prince back?


We have laws in this country. Why should this guy get a pass?


Let the investigation be completed. It's ongoing. No one knows the end result whether charges are laid or not.

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Reply #217 posted 04/17/17 9:41am

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What was clear before, is even more clear now. Prince was in pain and addicted to painkillers and other pills. And, like anyone else in that position of power and greatness, he had plenty of people willing to help him fulfill his "needs". Its horrible and unfortunate.

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Reply #218 posted 04/17/17 9:41am

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purplethunder3121 said:

babynoz said:

Before anybody gets it more twisted. Here is exactly what the warrant says. We need to be specific and NOT leave out details, otherwise it's just more misinformation.


"Your Affiant was made aware by witnesses that were interviewed at the scene, that Prince recently had a history of going through withdrawals"

yeahthat

No time line but recently I would think would mean in the last year or so

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Reply #219 posted 04/17/17 9:43am

Dini

laurarichardson said:

FunkiestOne said:

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Just because he did something technically illegal doesn't mean that they will prosecute him for it.

Why because it is okay to facilitate the death of a rock star?

Obvious to me that the real culprit here is the doctor. He is the one that prescribed opiods to someone under false pretenses. Will he be charged? If not, why would Kirk be charged?

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Reply #220 posted 04/17/17 9:43am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

There were about 100 Watson 853/Hydrocodone pills found in various locations throughout PP. Prince died from taking pills marked Watson 853 but in actuality were Fentanyl. I just want to make sure this fact does not get lost in this talk about anxiety and withdrawal medication.

Indeed.

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At the end of the day, the prescription medications - no matter who prescribed them and to whom - were not the drugs responsible for his death. THAT was caused by the fake Watsons. So, the question remains - who procured them? Prince himself, in the guise of Peter BraveStrong, or somebody else? And who supplied them? And WHY - if he was taking so many prescription meds, did he need yet MORE painkillers?

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Yes it does matter because mislabeled pills means that he was not aware of what he was taking. It also matters because it could help the investigators trace which pill mill they came from.

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Reply #221 posted 04/17/17 9:43am

paulludvig

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2kittens said:

See October 20th 2016. Request to reseal documents.

What is the importance of this? I missed something.

I'm wondering the same-

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Reply #222 posted 04/17/17 9:45am

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😭😭😭 I just watched an in-depth report about it on a local newsstation here in Mpls. Oh, Prince! I just can't even right now...the only thing I will say is there were basically no surprises, only confirmed what was already reported or assumed. broken bheart
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Reply #223 posted 04/17/17 9:45am

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Also find it hard to believe that Tyka would be just letting him die from a drug addiction for 2 years. She seemed resigned to his death happening as if there was nothing to be done.

Exactly she had been to rehab herself so she knew that people do not have just die from pills.

I actually read that very rarely do people on pain pills o.d because they throw up so much. It is usually mixing with other drugs and alcohols.

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Reply #224 posted 04/17/17 9:47am

babynoz

purplethunder3121 said:

babynoz said:

Before anybody gets it more twisted. Here is exactly what the warrant says. We need to be specific and NOT leave out details, otherwise it's just more misinformation.


"Your Affiant was made aware by witnesses that were interviewed at the scene, that Prince recently had a history of going through withdrawals"

yeahthat



Everybody is leaving out the word recently, which changes the whole meaning of the sentence. Smh.

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Reply #225 posted 04/17/17 9:47am

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mikeyaddict said:



Phatphuk - love and respect to u. I just find it hard too see - but that's me. But love to you and take care.





So what was the point of your objection? You want me to be you? That's not how we do it in the U.S.



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Trust me. Prince's ashes are not inside my 64 × 64 pixel avatar. They couldn't physically fit.

But why did you choose this picture? Not that I mind,I'm just curious. Do you mean to be provocation? Funny?



I got better things to do with my time, than justifying myself to a complete stranger. That's one of the perogatives you earn as part of being a grown-up :د)



But since I am a nice guy, I hereby give L-1 permission to share with you what I explained to her back in November last year. Orgnote her and ask what I explained about "handling the truth".



I will say this though: From where I sit, it looks like the only reason people object to my avatar, is because they are just plain old jealous that my avatar is more multidimensional, more beautiful, more artistic than theirs is.



But of course, an underdeveloped ego can never admit to itself that somebody does something better than they do; or knows more about something than they do. So they express their feeling of inadequacy the only way that's the most efective for someone overwhelmed with jealously. By lashing out — with no provocation whatsoever on my part — with raging, self-righteous indignation.



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Reply #226 posted 04/17/17 9:50am

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luv4u said:



laurarichardson said:




luv4u said:





Is Kirk going to be used as the 'scapegoat' ???

Is nailing him or anyone involved for that matter going to bring Prince back?




We have laws in this country. Why should this guy get a pass?




Let the investigation be completed. It's ongoing. No one knows the end result whether charges are laid or not.


But why when they can nail someone to the cross now and feel like they're finally getting justice? There is a history of alcoholism in my family and if some here had their way members of my family might be locked up for being considered enablers. 😔
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Reply #227 posted 04/17/17 9:50am

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babynoz said:

Dibblekins said:

Indeed.

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At the end of the day, the prescription medications - no matter who prescribed them and to whom - were not the drugs responsible for his death. THAT was caused by the fake Watsons. So, the question remains - who procured them? Prince himself, in the guise of Peter BraveStrong, or somebody else? And who supplied them? And WHY - if he was taking so many prescription meds, did he need yet MORE painkillers?

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Yes it does matter because mislabeled pills means that he was not aware of what he was taking. It also matters because it could help the investigators trace which pill mill they came from.

I think you mis-read me. I agree - it is the mislabelled / bootleg pills which really matter and which need to be the continuing focus of the investigation.

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Reply #228 posted 04/17/17 9:51am

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laurarichardson said:



FunkiestOne said:




pld71 said:


I wonder when Kirk will be prosecuted? The doctor didnt write the drug prescription for Prince. Legally it was written for Kirk who then illegally gave them to Prince.



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Just because he did something technically illegal doesn't mean that they will prosecute him for it.



Why because it is okay to facilitate the death of a rock star?


It's much more complex than that Laura. You need to stop commenting on a subject you do not understand, and cannot understand. Opioid dependence is a complicated issue for everyone involved - the patient, the health care providers, friends, and family, law enforcement. You do not have the faintest idea what their struggles are and unless you can be rational, compassionate, and open minded you need to excuse yourself and take a seat. And the same to anyone else who doesn't get it.
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Reply #229 posted 04/17/17 9:56am

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luv4u said:

pld71 said:

I wonder when Kirk will be prosecuted? The doctor didnt write the drug prescription for Prince. Legally it was written for Kirk who then illegally gave them to Prince.



Is Kirk going to be used as the 'scapegoat' ???

Is nailing him or anyone involved for that matter going to bring Prince back?



He isn't a scapegoat if he committed a crime. (Please note the use of "if.")

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Reply #230 posted 04/17/17 9:56am

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laurarichardson said:

BanishedBrian said:


Forgive me if I'm missing what you're saying, as I haven't been monitoring this stuff that much recently... are you suggesting that Dr. S was treating Prince for cancer?

To the extent helpful to some of your topics, one of the unsealed warrants says that the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Drug Monitoring warrant, and the results showed no prescriptions issued to Prince, and one to KAJ (4/14 by Dr. S for oxycodone).

In addition, the doctor in Moline says that Prince was treated for opiate overdose. Prior to Prince's death, KAJ told Andrew C that Prince was struggline with opiate addiction. Dr. S also told investigators he saw Prince twice, both in April 2016. All of that is in the warrants.

Help me understand your theory if I'm not understanding...

I am not saying Prince was not addicted to these meds. I have never said that in fact it was never hidden from the very beginning that he was seeing Dr. S from withdrawals which I said was weird since he was so private and this infor was thrown out almost immediatly.

I am saying that a lot of things do not add for just pain med addictions.

Why was he taking them in the first place?

How long has he been taking them?

Why the sudden need to get off of them which is very dangerous?

How was even able to travel and work while going thru withdrawals?

Why was he seeing Dr. S when he had no background for addictions and withdrawals.

Why was doctor S continuing to prescirbe pain meds to someone who is suppose to be withdrawing and how come Dr. S has not been charged with the crime of writing an Rx for someone who did not need the Rx. Why is Dr. S off the hook?

Why are associates being evasive when we knew from the begining what he was seeing Dr. S for?

Does anyone realize what these pain meds can do to your organs? Why was Prince crying at the Jazz fest concert and talking about I got to go.?

How much withdrawal can you through for two years?

And what does his sister mean she knew two years ago? Why is Tidal saying he gave POA to someone ( not saying Tidal could not be telling a tell)? Why would every album have different terms in the WB deal some giving WB licensing rights forever?

What was going on with the black clothes?

A lot of questions.


I'll take a crack at these with my own views based on what we know:

- Over the course of a 30 year career of performing, Prince did a lot of damage to his body, and that damage cumulates over time, even when you stop doing the demaning stuff. It's similar to how NBA players often look at the same age - they are often in need of hip/knee replacements because of all the wear and tear. I think it's indisputable that, whether or not Prince ever had a hip replacement, he had a lot of pain from the cumulative effects of performing. The pain doesn't stop when you start taking it easy - it just sticks with you and gets worse with age as your body less flexible.

- It seems pretty obvious that, at some point, Prince began taking opiates in prescription form. When that began, and whether it was off and on or consistent, seems unclear at this point. But it seems pretty obvious that by the time of this death, it was something he was reliant on. I have a family member who takes different, but similarly addictive medicines to function daily (begrudgingly prescribed by doctors), and it's the nature of these meds that you build up resistance over time and become dependent.

- There are a lot of reasons you might want to get off them (protect your liver from long-term damage; just want to break out of the lethargic cycle it puts you in; progressive addiction where you start needing more dangerous levels, or resort to street drugs; etc.). In short, it's not a fun state to live in taking prescription meds on a permanent basis.

- In terms of the sudden need, it would seem like Prince's dependence had recently peaked, which is likely evidenced by the plane scare. I'm sure that incident made him and his inner circle concerned, and probably elevated his desire to do something. The brochure and KAJ's actions calling the treatment center are all consistent with that.

- In terms of working while in withdrawal... it's actually pretty normal. Prince just needed to be in form for short spurts of time. You can do that while hooked to meds.

- I think you're assuming that Dr. S is "off the hook," when he clearly is not. It just takes time to build a case. Given the fact that he admitted prescribing Prince medicine in KAJ's name, I think he's clearly under exposure, as that act alone is one that will likely have consequences for him. IMO the question at this point is his level of exposure (and what prosecutors can prove), not whether he has any.

- Re the medical reasons for Dr. S making that prescription... it's possible (and likely) that Prince and KAJ gave him selective facts when they visited him. That's quite normal for patients to do. Even if Dr. S knew Prince was in withdrawal, the oxycodone level he prescribed may have been a low enough dose to have been deemed safe/appropriate under the circumstances. In fact, we have no reason to believe otherwise, since that isn't what killed Prince.

- Why are associates being evasive? Because that's what people do at crime scenes (and in the aftermath), especially when there are aware of (and may have participated) in illegal conduct. I say this as someone who has worked both in a prosecutors' and public defenders' office... nothing about how the associates have behaved in the aftermath surprises me if the media narrative turns out to be true (i.e., Prince developed an opiate addiction that progressed and was enabled by his inner circle, eventually leading to OD).

- Re Tyka and Prince's actions... I never saw anything unusual. Prince was getting older. As you get older, you often get more introspective and your priorities change. He's been getting emotional in concert for 30 years. If he'd died in 1986 there'd be a bunch of people pointing to PR concerts and saying "why was he so emotional singing about the Ladder?!? He knew he was terminal!"

- The black clothes? Probably because he got to a point where he wanted to dress comfortably and chill. You could see he craved a normal life; that's why he stayed in MN all these years. The black clothes are easy to match and looked good with his new "embrace your age and natural beauty/hair" look.

I just don't see a lot of smoke here.

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Reply #231 posted 04/17/17 9:57am

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sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

Why because it is okay to facilitate the death of a rock star?

It's much more complex than that Laura. You need to stop commenting on a subject you do not understand, and cannot understand. Opioid dependence is a complicated issue for everyone involved - the patient, the health care providers, friends, and family, law enforcement. You do not have the faintest idea what their struggles are and unless you can be rational and open minded you need to excuse yourself and take a seat.

You need to shut the hell up. I know plenty people even in my own family that have been on drugs as well as alcohol issues. I also know when federal laws are being broken.

The minute Kirk picked up that Rx which he knew was not for him he broke the law and he was not helping Prince. I never enabled anyone that I knew I had a problem because it is wrong and I would not be able to live with myself if they died if I helped them get the stuff.

I am talking about the crack years so I know what the fuck I am talking about.

It is not okay for him to get off scott free and he should help the investigation even if he has to cut a deal not lie and hinder.

I see he has had time to pick up a paycheck from Paisley Park but not time to tell Prince and Dr. S that he was not going to be involved.

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Reply #232 posted 04/17/17 9:57am

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http://www.citypages.com/.../419310714

At the time of his death, Prince was working with Berry on a haircare line. “He was real big on natural hairstyles, natural hair products -- stuff that didn’t have a lot of chemicals,” she says.“He was always reading, and wanted to know what was going to affect his body.”
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Reply #233 posted 04/17/17 9:58am

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Dibblekins said:



HatrinaHaterwitz said:


There were about 100 Watson 853/Hydrocodone pills found in various locations throughout PP. Prince died from taking pills marked Watson 853 but in actuality were Fentanyl. I just want to make sure this fact does not get lost in this talk about anxiety and withdrawal medication.




Indeed.


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At the end of the day, the prescription medications - no matter who prescribed them and to whom - were not the drugs responsible for his death. THAT was caused by the fake Watsons. So, the question remains - who procured them? Prince himself, in the guise of Peter BraveStrong, or somebody else? And who supplied them? And WHY - if he was taking so many prescription meds, did he need yet MORE painkillers?


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Its obvious who procured them. His best friend who was at best an enabler. At worst his drug dealer.
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Reply #234 posted 04/17/17 10:00am

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Kirky..you in danger girl

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #236 posted 04/17/17 10:04am

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pld71 said:

Dibblekins said:

Indeed.

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At the end of the day, the prescription medications - no matter who prescribed them and to whom - were not the drugs responsible for his death. THAT was caused by the fake Watsons. So, the question remains - who procured them? Prince himself, in the guise of Peter BraveStrong, or somebody else? And who supplied them? And WHY - if he was taking so many prescription meds, did he need yet MORE painkillers?

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Its obvious who procured them. His best friend who was at best an enabler. At worst his drug dealer.


Which explains how someone of such limited talents was able to stick around for so long.

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Reply #237 posted 04/17/17 10:04am

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Neither Kirk nor the Doctor will be charged with a crime.

If they were going to be charged it would have happened long ago.

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Reply #238 posted 04/17/17 10:04am

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Lovejunky said:



laurarichardson said:




Dibblekins said:



'On April 20, 2016, Johnson went to a Minnetonka Walgreens to pick up Prince's medication. He later told police that was the first time he had done anything like that for Prince.

A suitcase was discovered next to Prince's bed on April 21, 2016 (the day of Prince's death) and among the items inside, there were prescription pill bottles in Johnson's name -- none of which were the medication prescribed by Schulenberg.



One pill bottle, which was labeled Vitamin D, instead had the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride inside. Another, labeled Ondansetron, contained the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.



The date those pills were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was April 7. The prescribing doctor was listed as Schulenberg'.


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So, if I am reading this correctly, KJ lied to the police?



I am curious therefore as to why authorities are not taking this further..?



He lied and Dr. S said he wrote those Rxs for Kirk to protect P's privacy.



So Prince may have needed these Rxs and the doc was doing the right thing but going about it the wrong manner. Or the doc was being paid to do it but the Dr. is still working at another clinic and if he could show their was a medical reason to prescribe he would be in the clear some what.



Not sure why Kirk lied he would have to know about April 7th because I doubt the pharmacy would have given Prince the Rxs if they were in Kirk's name. Someone had to sign for them.






What is ondansetron?


Ondansetron blocks the actions of chemicals in the body that can trigger nausea and vomiting.


Ondansetron is used to prevent nausea and vomiting that may be caused by surgery, cancer chemotherapy, or radiation treatment.




DAMN !



My heart is in my mouth...Cancer ?




Mine too. He could've been using it simply to block nausea from detox, or for another reason he would've been nauseous.
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Reply #239 posted 04/17/17 10:05am

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The addiction part isn't surprising dwayne reported that 25 years ago.The meds in other peoples name celebs do it everyday.Pills put in other containers/labeled as something else thats how drug dealers do it.Pills all over the house yes,this is what you would expect in a persons house thats addicted.Take prince's name off the report and put bob smith its still the same except prince was a rich celeb.It all lines up like the others that have died from overdosing.BUT,usually when its a celeb the fans demand the truth and demand arrests be made.So this dr D or whomever the dealer was/is that will prob be the ONLY arrest we hear about i think.Its been a damn year sad

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