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Reply #150 posted 04/17/17 8:56am

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If you take what mayte said in her book along with these new findings,you can conclude that he's been taking pills for a LONG time.
I don't think it started out as for pain
Some could have been for seizures
Some could have been for anxiety
He said it in the Dream Factory about taking a pill to wipe away his doubts
THat bag and those "vitamins" have been around for a long time
And he's been dealing with withdrawals and maybe overdosing for a long time as well
Remember the stomach pumping thing and him saying "get those records!" ?
Prince being Prince, his need for privacy led him to seek care from outside sources and that was the problem.
Some sad shit
[Edited 4/17/17 8:58am]
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Reply #151 posted 04/17/17 8:57am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The drug was probably prescribed for nausea caused by withdrawal.

Or for nausea caused by the flu

In cases of run of the mill 'stomach flu', doctors aren't going to prescribe Zofran. You'd have to be vomiting A LOT for days and days and days for them to give you that and then if they did it'd probably just be a few doses, like if you went to the ER b/c you were dehydrated or something and they wanted to make you more comfortable and get some fluids into you.

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Reply #152 posted 04/17/17 8:58am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

No history he was going thru withdrawals recently and getting help from Dr. S. Could have been trying to ween himself.

The search warrant said he has a history of withdrawal.

Is that coming from the associates who are telling lies or the doctor. Also how far back is history. A year or 20 years. I am not saying the warrent is wrong but the word history can mean different things to different people.

I also understand why he left Moline if he was already seeing Dr. S.

The point is he was already work ing on this problem with a doctor and that was never hidden information from the very begining of the investigation.

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Reply #153 posted 04/17/17 8:58am

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122884 said:

That med, also called Zofran, is also prescribed for other conditions causing chronic nausea and/or vomiting. I've got digestive issues and have had as "as needed" prescription for Zofran. I probably take one every other day or if I'm going through a rough patch maybe twice a day. It's not an uncommon drug and definitely is not just a "cancer drug" (although it's used to combat chemo and radiation nausea, that's true. but usually in those cases it's given via IV. I have dissolvable tablets which is what I'm assuming Prince had been prescribed to alleviate his nausea)

https://www.drugs.com/ondansetron.html

It does not say it has to be given in a drip for nausea due to cancer or treatment. It stays it is taken in a pill form.

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If those pills were for cancer treatment or chemo side effects, I think there would be more info regarding him undergoing chemotherapy or cancer treatment. Do you think that's what the 65K were for?
SOmehow I don't think this was the case.

[Edited 4/17/17 9:01am]

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Reply #154 posted 04/17/17 9:01am

122884

laurarichardson said:

122884 said:

That med, also called Zofran, is also prescribed for other conditions causing chronic nausea and/or vomiting. I've got digestive issues and have had as "as needed" prescription for Zofran. I probably take one every other day or if I'm going through a rough patch maybe twice a day. It's not an uncommon drug and definitely is not just a "cancer drug" (although it's used to combat chemo and radiation nausea, that's true. but usually in those cases it's given via IV. I have dissolvable tablets which is what I'm assuming Prince had been prescribed to alleviate his nausea)

https://www.drugs.com/ondansetron.html

It does not say it has to be given in a drip for nausea due to cancer or treatment. It stays it is taken in a pill form.

[Edited 4/17/17 8:45am]

And I didn't say it HAS TO be given as an IV for nausea due to cancer treatment. But that's more common than giving the patient up to 16 mg (they come in 4 mg tabs) and also IV route is more quick to give relief, and tackles the nausea better then do the oral tabs.

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Reply #155 posted 04/17/17 9:02am

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laurarichardson said:

No history he was going thru withdrawals recently and getting help from Dr. S. Could have been trying to ween himself.

Just repeating what was in the warrant. Word. For. Word.

The search warrantsays that Prince recently had a history..

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Reply #156 posted 04/17/17 9:02am

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MMJas said:



laytonian said:


laurarichardson said:


What about the Diapzham which is Vicodin but remember Dr. S had no background in addiction mgmt but he was listed as a critical care patient on at least one website.



. NO. It is spelled DIAZEPAM and is commonly known as Valium. It is an anti-anxiety drug. In this case, it would be prescribed to help with withdrawal symptoms. . Please, Laura. We know your heart is in the right place. But there is a problem. Almost everything you claim in this forum is somehow mixed up our flat out wrong. This is harmful because some see you as an authority. A little research before you hit that keyboard AND reading for understanding would serve all better. .


So more and more it looks like Prince was indeed addicted to pain medication and was probably trying to ween himself off them. The Doctor's son that arrived at PP on the day of Prince's death told the Police Kirk contacted his father because Prince was struggling with addiction. The leaflet found in one of the rooms at PP means Prince was aware of their facility and at least considering starting a programe with them?
Him having stomach problems, the flu, not eating, etc could also be related to withdrawl symptoms. The medication for nausea that is usually given to treat chemo side efects could have been perscribed because of nausea and vomiting during withdrawal effects. He probably tried to do it alone and did not succeed, hence going to the doctor and having medical tests done. That happened in between the doctor perscribing him oxysomething (I'm not a native speaker, forget the correct name) and then him ODeing on that same day (could this be relevant?) and his death. He was also considering an holistic doctor because he was probably wanting to check into rehab as a last resort?There's no hard evidence that he might have had a serious ilness and I'm inclined to think that if he did, there would have been medication for that around the house.


Which still leaves the question for the 65K medical bill. Is there a chance it was not his, but something he paied for someone else?


Again a bunch of whats with very few whys. Ok he had a painkiller addiction and was suffering withdrawals as he was trying to get off them. But why was he using them in the first place? Again what but no why. Which is why I say releasing this information doesn't serve any purpose. And it's not going to bring closure to anyone.
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Reply #157 posted 04/17/17 9:03am

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http://www.kare11.com/new.../431833009

Prince docs reveal prescription drugs in confidant's name

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Reply #158 posted 04/17/17 9:04am

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So whats the bottom line here?

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Reply #159 posted 04/17/17 9:04am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

No history he was going thru withdrawals recently and getting help from Dr. S. Could have been trying to ween himself.

The search warrant said he has a history of withdrawal.

Recently

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Reply #160 posted 04/17/17 9:04am

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MMJas said:

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said: . NO. It is spelled DIAZEPAM and is commonly known as Valium. It is an anti-anxiety drug. In this case, it would be prescribed to help with withdrawal symptoms. . Please, Laura. We know your heart is in the right place. But there is a problem. Almost everything you claim in this forum is somehow mixed up our flat out wrong. This is harmful because some see you as an authority. A little research before you hit that keyboard AND reading for understanding would serve all better. .

So more and more it looks like Prince was indeed addicted to pain medication and was probably trying to ween himself off them. The Doctor's son that arrived at PP on the day of Prince's death told the Police Kirk contacted his father because Prince was struggling with addiction. The leaflet found in one of the rooms at PP means Prince was aware of their facility and at least considering starting a programe with them?
Him having stomach problems, the flu, not eating, etc could also be related to withdrawl symptoms. The medication for nausea that is usually given to treat chemo side efects could have been perscribed because of nausea and vomiting during withdrawal effects. He probably tried to do it alone and did not succeed, hence going to the doctor and having medical tests done. That happened in between the doctor perscribing him oxysomething (I'm not a native speaker, forget the correct name) and then him ODeing on that same day (could this be relevant?) and his death. He was also considering an holistic doctor because he was probably wanting to check into rehab as a last resort?There's no hard evidence that he might have had a serious ilness and I'm inclined to think that if he did, there would have been medication for that around the house.

Which still leaves the question for the 65K medical bill. Is there a chance it was not his, but something he paied for someone else?

It was listed as his debt. Would not be listed as his debt if it was someone else's. I still think a lot of you underestimate the damage pain pills with or without an Rx can do to someone's organs but believe what you want to belive.

You got associates saying we do not know the whole story and they are still telling lies for what reason. It was never hidden that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals so why are they still being evasive His own sister is even being evasive. Do you think he knew he was going to die from a overdose 2 years ago?

Those medical bills have to be rehab or on-going treatment for illnesses.

He was still in communication with Julie Ramadan and she was one of the ones to shoot down the AIDS story and say 'we do not know the whole story"

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Reply #161 posted 04/17/17 9:04am

babynoz

Glad Im not working today. This is a lot to digest. sad

My heart goes out....so much pain and the thought of him literally working himself to death hurts so much.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #162 posted 04/17/17 9:05am

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destinyc1 said:

So whats the bottom line here?


That we're no closer to having answers than we were yesterday.
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Reply #163 posted 04/17/17 9:06am

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I wish I had nothing to say
Looking through my new camcorder
Trying to find a crime that pays
I get hit by mortars, everywhere I go I'm loitering
Chaos and disorder ruinin' my world today...

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Reply #164 posted 04/17/17 9:07am

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babynoz said:

Glad Im not working today. This is a lot to digest. sad

My heart goes out....so much pain and the thought of him literally working himself to death hurts so much.


pat sad

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Reply #165 posted 04/17/17 9:07am

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Did no one else not wonder about something?
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KJ got Dr S to prescribe Oxy for P in KJ's name on APRIL 14th, the date of the Atlanta concert.
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With drugs already in P's travel bag, why another prescription?

P admitted to taking 1 or 2 pills before the emergency landing.
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Reply #166 posted 04/17/17 9:07am

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babynoz said:

Glad Im not working today. This is a lot to digest. sad

My heart goes out....so much pain and the thought of him literally working himself to death hurts so much.


That's what kills me. The guy clearly was in pain for whatever reason but kept working and performing and giving until the very end. sad
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Reply #167 posted 04/17/17 9:07am

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paulludvig said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The search warrant said he has a history of withdrawal.

Recently

It does not give a time line. Could mean in the last year. It appears that he was going into the pharmacy on his own in the past before things started turning up in Kirk's name. Initial media reports said he was at the Walgreen a lot in the last year.

If dude was going thru numerous withdrawals for years he would have dead a long time ago and certainly not working at the pace that he did.

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Reply #168 posted 04/17/17 9:07am

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luv4u said:

http://www.kare11.com/new.../431833009

Prince docs reveal prescription drugs in confidant's name

He was still suffereing from Hip Pain... sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad

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Reply #169 posted 04/17/17 9:09am

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rogifan said:

MMJas said:

So more and more it looks like Prince was indeed addicted to pain medication and was probably trying to ween himself off them. The Doctor's son that arrived at PP on the day of Prince's death told the Police Kirk contacted his father because Prince was struggling with addiction. The leaflet found in one of the rooms at PP means Prince was aware of their facility and at least considering starting a programe with them?
Him having stomach problems, the flu, not eating, etc could also be related to withdrawl symptoms. The medication for nausea that is usually given to treat chemo side efects could have been perscribed because of nausea and vomiting during withdrawal effects. He probably tried to do it alone and did not succeed, hence going to the doctor and having medical tests done. That happened in between the doctor perscribing him oxysomething (I'm not a native speaker, forget the correct name) and then him ODeing on that same day (could this be relevant?) and his death. He was also considering an holistic doctor because he was probably wanting to check into rehab as a last resort?There's no hard evidence that he might have had a serious ilness and I'm inclined to think that if he did, there would have been medication for that around the house.

Which still leaves the question for the 65K medical bill. Is there a chance it was not his, but something he paied for someone else?

Again a bunch of whats with very few whys. Ok he had a painkiller addiction and was suffering withdrawals as he was trying to get off them. But why was he using them in the first place? Again what but no why. Which is why I say releasing this information doesn't serve any purpose. And it's not going to bring closure to anyone.

Indeed. We know more or less the same as we did before, the warrants only served to confirm some things that we were already discussing on here.
I hope the investigation comes to a close real soon and that his family releases a statement of sorts. I know they don't have to , but here's wishing they will.

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Reply #170 posted 04/17/17 9:09am

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No wonder why Kirk didn't want to talk, they found multiple perscriptions under his name...

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Reply #171 posted 04/17/17 9:10am

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laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

So more and more it looks like Prince was indeed addicted to pain medication and was probably trying to ween himself off them. The Doctor's son that arrived at PP on the day of Prince's death told the Police Kirk contacted his father because Prince was struggling with addiction. The leaflet found in one of the rooms at PP means Prince was aware of their facility and at least considering starting a programe with them?
Him having stomach problems, the flu, not eating, etc could also be related to withdrawl symptoms. The medication for nausea that is usually given to treat chemo side efects could have been perscribed because of nausea and vomiting during withdrawal effects. He probably tried to do it alone and did not succeed, hence going to the doctor and having medical tests done. That happened in between the doctor perscribing him oxysomething (I'm not a native speaker, forget the correct name) and then him ODeing on that same day (could this be relevant?) and his death. He was also considering an holistic doctor because he was probably wanting to check into rehab as a last resort?There's no hard evidence that he might have had a serious ilness and I'm inclined to think that if he did, there would have been medication for that around the house.

Which still leaves the question for the 65K medical bill. Is there a chance it was not his, but something he paied for someone else?

It was listed as his debt. Would not be listed as his debt if it was someone else's. I still think a lot of you underestimate the damage pain pills with or without an Rx can do to someone's organs but believe what you want to belive.

You got associates saying we do not know the whole story and they are still telling lies for what reason. It was never hidden that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals so why are they still being evasive His own sister is even being evasive. Do you think he knew he was going to die from a overdose 2 years ago?

Those medical bills have to be rehab or on-going treatment for illnesses.

He was still in communication with Julie Ramadan and she was one of the ones to shoot down the AIDS story and say 'we do not know the whole story"

I disagree with many things you say Laura and believe you confuse some facts, but I totally agree with you that Prince was dealing with some other illness besides withdrawals and the pain med situation. There was something else going on sad

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Reply #172 posted 04/17/17 9:10am

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More puzzle pieces but no answers. I would be interested to see what Jill Jones or any of the other people say after they read these documents, if they do read them and subsequently comment on social media. Jennifer Matesa, who was an addict and now is in recovery and speaks on such issues, originally stated that Prince had been using for several years; she was slaughtered for saying this, but it may be that her statement was more truthful than the faithful would want to believe.

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Reply #173 posted 04/17/17 9:11am

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laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

So more and more it looks like Prince was indeed addicted to pain medication and was probably trying to ween himself off them. The Doctor's son that arrived at PP on the day of Prince's death told the Police Kirk contacted his father because Prince was struggling with addiction. The leaflet found in one of the rooms at PP means Prince was aware of their facility and at least considering starting a programe with them?
Him having stomach problems, the flu, not eating, etc could also be related to withdrawl symptoms. The medication for nausea that is usually given to treat chemo side efects could have been perscribed because of nausea and vomiting during withdrawal effects. He probably tried to do it alone and did not succeed, hence going to the doctor and having medical tests done. That happened in between the doctor perscribing him oxysomething (I'm not a native speaker, forget the correct name) and then him ODeing on that same day (could this be relevant?) and his death. He was also considering an holistic doctor because he was probably wanting to check into rehab as a last resort?There's no hard evidence that he might have had a serious ilness and I'm inclined to think that if he did, there would have been medication for that around the house.

Which still leaves the question for the 65K medical bill. Is there a chance it was not his, but something he paied for someone else?

It was listed as his debt. Would not be listed as his debt if it was someone else's. I still think a lot of you underestimate the damage pain pills with or without an Rx can do to someone's organs but believe what you want to belive.

You got associates saying we do not know the whole story and they are still telling lies for what reason. It was never hidden that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals so why are they still being evasive His own sister is even being evasive. Do you think he knew he was going to die from a overdose 2 years ago?

Those medical bills have to be rehab or on-going treatment for illnesses.

He was still in communication with Julie Ramadan and she was one of the ones to shoot down the AIDS story and say 'we do not know the whole story"

Yes, but I mean, could he have paid for someone else's bills and it shows as his debt because he was the one who paid them? Just asking.

Yes, it could be for rehab, but I find it less likely. He seemed to be trying to ween himself off the medication on his own probably because he feared the exposure of rehab.

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Reply #174 posted 04/17/17 9:11am

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rogifan said:

babynoz said:

Glad Im not working today. This is a lot to digest. sad

My heart goes out....so much pain and the thought of him literally working himself to death hurts so much.

That's what kills me. The guy clearly was in pain for whatever reason but kept working and performing and giving until the very end. sad

He never stopped working and I believe he might have been managing the withdrawals because it did not stop him from working but if he had pain he would have to continue to take them in some form to get around like he did.

Withdrawals cause vomiting and stomach pain but he got on planes and travelled as far as Australia and stayed down their longer than he was suppose to. You cannot perform on stage by yourself while needing to go the bathroom and vomit.

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Reply #175 posted 04/17/17 9:13am

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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The search warrant said he has a history of withdrawal.

Is that coming from the associates who are telling lies or the doctor. Also how far back is history. A year or 20 years. I am not saying the warrent is wrong but the word history can mean different things to different people.

I also understand why he left Moline if he was already seeing Dr. S.

The point is he was already work ing on this problem with a doctor and that was never hidden information from the very begining of the investigation.


Forgive me if I'm missing what you're saying, as I haven't been monitoring this stuff that much recently... are you suggesting that Dr. S was treating Prince for cancer?

To the extent helpful to some of your topics, one of the unsealed warrants says that the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Drug Monitoring warrant, and the results showed no prescriptions issued to Prince, and one to KAJ (4/14 by Dr. S for oxycodone).

In addition, the doctor in Moline says that Prince was treated for opiate overdose. Prior to Prince's death, KAJ told Andrew C that Prince was struggline with opiate addiction. Dr. S also told investigators he saw Prince twice, both in April 2016. All of that is in the warrants.

Help me understand your theory if I'm not understanding...

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Reply #176 posted 04/17/17 9:13am

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1Sasha said:

More puzzle pieces but no answers. I would be interested to see what Jill Jones or any of the other people say after they read these documents, if they do read them and subsequently comment on social media. Jennifer Matesa, who was an addict and now is in recovery and speaks on such issues, originally stated that Prince had been using for several years; she was slaughtered for saying this, but it may be that her statement was more truthful than the faithful would want to believe.

They don't have any either.

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Reply #177 posted 04/17/17 9:14am

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He should of, could of, taken a year off to deal with his health issues and get into some sort of rehab. We would all be supportive and still love him, no one is perfect sad

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Reply #178 posted 04/17/17 9:14am

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feeluupp said:

No wonder why Kirk didn't want to talk, they found multiple perscriptions under his name...

The only scripts in Kirk's name were the ones written by Dr. S on 4-7-16.

Dr. S verified Kirk's statement that it was written in his name to protect P's privacy.

The police cannot find any other scripts in Kirk's name.

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Reply #179 posted 04/17/17 9:15am

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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

It was listed as his debt. Would not be listed as his debt if it was someone else's. I still think a lot of you underestimate the damage pain pills with or without an Rx can do to someone's organs but believe what you want to belive.

You got associates saying we do not know the whole story and they are still telling lies for what reason. It was never hidden that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals so why are they still being evasive His own sister is even being evasive. Do you think he knew he was going to die from a overdose 2 years ago?

Those medical bills have to be rehab or on-going treatment for illnesses.

He was still in communication with Julie Ramadan and she was one of the ones to shoot down the AIDS story and say 'we do not know the whole story"

Yes, but I mean, could he have paid for someone else's bills and it shows as his debt because he was the one who paid them? Just asking.

Yes, it could be for rehab, but I find it less likely. He seemed to be trying to ween himself off the medication on his own probably because he feared the exposure of rehab.

No take it from me I had debt from being in the hospital for a month. The bills were in my name but my parents helped me pay them. I also have worked in collections for a business that had customers who sometimes were purchased by other companies/ or business owners the bills stayed in the original business name despite the new owner/business paying the bills.

The name of the debtor does not change.

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