I just thought of something, sorry if seems off the wall, but it shifted perspective for me a little when I remembered/ all the talk about the pill stashes- I watched the whole Showtime series of 'Nurse Jackie' (starring Edie Falco) It was a spellbinding tale of a careered ER nurse who had an acute addiction to pain meds! She WAS able to perform her job for some years- she had a natural talent and experience for it. But the pill addiction- OMG. And she hid pills ALL the time. Stashes everywhere in her house. And then you'd see her tearing thru at times trying to find them. This is crushing/ we loved Prince. | |
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Mumio said:
The doctor was there, then soon after cops everywhere. He couldn't clean up unless he was there alone. | |
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I agree, it would have been hard for Kirk to clean up: Per the warrant, the drugs were found at Paisley Park on the afternoon of 4/21. http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-1.pdf
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Ingela said:
I think KJ was good in getting lawyered up. Sounds like he will ultimately do some time in the pokey. He deserves jail because he was the enabler and he should have stayed just a few hours until the doctors arrived. But then again, I'm really not sure who is involved in Prince's death. All his clothing on backwards means something. I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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My mom is a nurse. At the hospital where she works (a children's hospital), it takes 2 people to access drugs like morphine. Two people have to scan their badge or enter a password or something like that. And I think one of the reasons is to prevent situations like this where medical personnel may try to take medications from the hospital for personal use. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Great point, tmo1965. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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precioux said:
No shit, SHERLOCK- read the fucking reply that stated that XANAX is what Valium is already broken down in the body, HENCE "shorter acting"...Xanax being prescribed in .25, .5 and 1 mg....Valium 1,5 10 mg.
DAMN GENESIA, HOW THICK IN THE HEAD ARE YOU?! Now kiss and make up I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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Great Point! and I think this is true.. we forget that the policve have know this info for a year.. | |
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precioux said: Can someone please explain/clarify what is stated on the last line of the warrant that itemizes the pills found at PP. It looks like (#1,2&3.)..swab (?) , right neck left - what the heck is that?! I wondered too...it looks like ??? 1,2&3 from Hennepin county swab of neck left and right hand and neck I can't figure out the word before 1,2,3..it looks like Hew or Hem or heur... | |
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I wondered if they swabbed to see if there was any residue | |
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I believe it says "Item #1, 2 and 3 from Hennepin Co swab of neck left and right hand and neck" - Perhaps Hennepin Co is the coroner? And they swabbed a couple locations on his body looking for drug residue, maybe?
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Thats very probable...
Swabbing his hands to see what he had held in them...
but his neck ? hmmmmmmmmm | |
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That's why I'm asking for clarification on that line. The only residue I know of that is swabbed for is a damn GSR...which is gun shot residue. I have never heard of being swabbed for a drug. Can anyone in the medical field state whether someone can be swabbed for drug residue?? Behind left ear, right and left hand??? Is that what I'm reading? | |
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I think when I've flown, I've been pulled out and swabbed...and you can be swabbed for dna...I think it said that he was found on his side...he may have been in a fetal position with his hands near his neck ...I'm just guessing here But I think you are right...the word I couldn't figure out is item.. | |
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I wondered if they swabbed his hands for drug residue..
Duh..I see that I'm being repetitive here.. [Edited 4/17/17 21:25pm] | |
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206Michelle said:
Yes, I find this circumstance to be odd, also. I find it odd that Time Warner changed its name this week I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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Item 1,2, & 3 from Hennepin Co swab of neck left and right hand and neck is what I read, not behind ear. I Googled swabbing a neck and came up with nothing. Maybe he had vomited or they saw pill dust residue on these parts of his body. I'm going to search fentanyl overdose and see what I come up with. | |
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A fentanyl overdose will result in several characteristic physical symptoms. These symptoms will be easily observed by those who know what to look for, and include:3,4,5 Confusion. Dizziness. Difficulty thinking, speaking, or walking. Pale face. Blue- or purple-colored lips, fingernails, or extremities. Throwing up. Choking sounds. Pinpoint pupils (pupil size reduced to small black circles in middle of eyes). Seizures. Low blood pressure. Slowed heart rate. Excessive drowsiness. Frequent fainting spells (nodding off). Limp body. Unresponsive. Coma. Difficulty breathing. Hypoventilation (slow, shallow breathing). Respiratory arrest. Death. Once fentanyl overdose symptoms begin, it’s important to get the user help as soon as possible to reduce long-term or even fatal consequences. Call 911 or seek emergency services as soon as possible. | |
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Oh my gosh! TMI! I'm just curious to know if swabbing for drug residue is normal protocol, or if that's what was actually done. Thanks for the detective work, though moonsister said: A fentanyl overdose will result in several characteristic physical symptoms. These symptoms will be easily observed by those who know what to look for, and include:3,4,5 Confusion. Dizziness. Difficulty thinking, speaking, or walking. Pale face. Blue- or purple-colored lips, fingernails, or extremities. Throwing up. Choking sounds. Pinpoint pupils (pupil size reduced to small black circles in middle of eyes). Seizures. Low blood pressure. Slowed heart rate. Excessive drowsiness. Frequent fainting spells (nodding off). Limp body. Unresponsive. Coma. Difficulty breathing. Hypoventilation (slow, shallow breathing). Respiratory arrest. Death. Once fentanyl overdose symptoms begin, it’s important to get the user help as soon as possible to reduce long-term or even fatal consequences. Call 911 or seek emergency services as soon as possible. | |
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But isn't the issue not really the pain pills per say, but the fact that the pills in question were cut with an exuberant amount of fentanyl. As someone else posted, I think we are losing sight of the fact that it was the fentanyl. | |
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My questions remain the same after reading though the warrants
Something is still not feeling right with Dr Ks son Andrew. His story is just that a story and seems shady. Andrew told officers the drugs in his backpack were from his own med cabinet. They were also brought in envelopes....and he said he did not intend to treat P? Then why did he bring those drugs with him in the first place? Seems he may have been able to have had the fake laced pill and could have added pills to innocent looking bottles. Not clear when he really first arrived at PP it says 9:43 am and his plane got in at 6am. I am sure the phone records would show when the communication between him and Kirk took place. http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-5.pdf [Edited 4/17/17 22:00pm] | |
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Asenath0607 said:
But isn't the issue not really the pain pills per say, but the fact that the pills in question were cut with an exuberant amount of fentanyl. As someone else posted, I think we are losing sight of the fact that it was the fentanyl. But if he had gotten off the pills on the 16th, the day everyone in the world knew he had a problem, he would never have ingested the fentanyl. I keep butting in, I stay up late. | |
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Oh I think he's just young and very inexperienced. He would not have had the opportunity to plant drugs all over Paisley Park.
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I swear I'm tired of addiction being a dirty word. Nobody in their right mind wants to be addicted to drugs, specifically people who are in pain. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it can happen to anyone. Perscription drugs are very easy to get addicted to, as we can see with the increase in overdoses of both Hollywood and everyday people. | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: My questions remain the same after reading though the warrants Something is still not feeling right with Dr Ks son Andrew. His story is just that a story and seems shady. Andrew told officers the drugs in his backpack were from his own med cabinet. They were also brought in envelopes....and he said he did not intend to treat P? Then why did he bring those drugs with him in the first place? Seems he may have been able to have had the fake laced pill and could have added pills to innocent looking bottles. Not clear when he really first arrived at PP it says 9:43 am and his plane got in at 6am. I am sure the phone records would show when the communication between him and Kirk took place. http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-5.pdf It doesn't matter what time that morning though because rigor mortis had already set in. | |
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and that is where I get stuck; why on Earth did he refuse? Why if Judith Hill was so in love, didn't she insist on staying.... then I stop because it's useless to keep going around and around and I just settle into a place of "it is what it is and it can't be undone". | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: My questions remain the same after reading though the warrants Something is still not feeling right with Dr Ks son Andrew. His story is just that a story and seems shady. Andrew told officers the drugs in his backpack were from his own med cabinet. They were also brought in envelopes....and he said he did not intend to treat P? Then why did he bring those drugs with him in the first place? Seems he may have been able to have had the fake laced pill and could have added pills to innocent looking bottles. Not clear when he really first arrived at PP it says 9:43 am and his plane got in at 6am. I am sure the phone records would show when the communication between him and Kirk took place. http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-5.pdf [Edited 4/17/17 22:00pm] I think Andrew is a liar but he did have the good grace not to implicate his father, who is probably more to blame for the drugs in Andrew's backpack. His father probably told him exactly what to take and what to give Prince if Prince had been alive and in desperate need of withdrawal relief. Saying Andrew is a murderer is a stretch for me, I can't do that, why would Andrew bring in the fentanyl laced pill? | |
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disch said: Oh I think he's just young and very inexperienced. He would not have had the opportunity to plant drugs all over Paisley Park.
Yes, He is young...but why bring a backpack with drugs in envelopes no less into PP and have no intentions on using them? He may have put them in envelopes to get through the airport but hat just confirms he knew it was wrong... | |
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It says He arrived at 9am... the call to the Sherriffs office was made it 9.43 P was pronounced deceased at 10:07
from 9 until 9.43 until they found him ? Thats a long time....One would think the elevator would be one of the first places they visited since it gave access to upstairs..
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Asenath0607 said:
But isn't the issue not really the pain pills per say, but the fact that the pills in question were cut with an exuberant amount of fentanyl. As someone else posted, I think we are losing sight of the fact that it was the fentanyl. Agree...it was the fentanyl laced pill that someone gave P that killed him. | |
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