sonshine said:

-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.

Exactly it is too easy to make him the devil and not take the time to realize that it takes to tango.

said:

She was on a TV show telling all her business so her life was not a secret stop blowing her stituation up to be someone putting a gun to her head and preventing from speaking.

PennyPurple said:

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The thing is, he's not around to tell us why he made the decisions he did. So for those who want to understand more about how he ticked (and not everyone is interested in these aspects of his life), we are going to have to rely, at this point, on the perspectives of who were around him. And that includes Mayte. It's possible that her book may give that kind of insight. (But I'll know more after I read it.)

purplerabbithole said:

NOt one person on here has said he was a perfect person. But everything about Prince is so one-sided. No one ever asked why he makes the decisions he does. They just dismiss him as a prick. They may be wrong decisions that hurt others but since we don't know or even want to figure out why he did these things, we don't know if his intentions were actually cruel.

Am I the only one who thinks that people are much more confortable thinking of Prince as a seductive evil genius than as a vulnerable man who in his personal life was sometimes clueless about how to handle stuff and was enabled and used by others.

SpookyNopetopus said:

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

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SpookyNopetopus said:

disch said:

i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy

-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.

Yeah, it couldn't have been that it was too painful to be around her at all? It couldn't have been that being around her reminded him of his son and what they lost. Nah, that would be just too obvious.

laurarichardson said:

Exactly it is too easy to make him the devil and not take the time to realize that it takes to tango. said:

NOt one person on here has said he was a perfect person. But everything about Prince is so one-sided. No one ever asked why he makes the decisions he does. They just dismiss him as a prick. They may be wrong decisions that hurt others but since we don't know or even want to figure out why he did these things, we don't know if his intentions were actually cruel.

Am I the only one who thinks that people are much more confortable thinking of Prince as a seductive evil genius than as a vulnerable man who in his personal life was sometimes clueless about how to handle stuff.

Let me be clear: I don't think Prince was the devil. I am saying he was a seriously flawed dude who did some cruel things to many people. Whatever his intentions were? I don't know, since I've never been up in his head, but the outcome of those intentions were cruel and distasteful, and I'm not going to brush them aside because I like his music, or -- sometimes -- his personality. I also find it really funny that so many are quick to just write Mayte, Manuela, or whoever else as purely evil, and don't want to extend the same amount of sympathy/empathy to these women as they do to Prince. So, yeah, I'm going to point right back to the common demominator of these failed things: Prince. There was something wrong going on there that wasn't all the women. A lot of it was him, too. And whatever else Mayte might have done in life that wasn't great, she still should talk about this if she wants to. Will I read the book? I don't know, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But I'm certainly not going to go in on the girl for talking about him, even if what she says might be unflattering. I've thought some unflattering things about Prince for YEARS, so I can hardly blame her for putting things in print, and I'm not going to castigate her for talking about the experience with her child. It was uncomfortable for me to read, but I'm betting that shit was 20,000 times worse for her, who had to bear the child, then realize he wasn't going to live. She might or might not be the worst person ever, but by God, in that moment she was somebody's mother, and she was looking at burying her baby in a very short time. She should never have been asked to bury that experience, EVER. She has my sympathy because quite simply, that shit was horrible. THe world does nor revolve around Prince. Nor should it. He didn't exist in a vaccuum.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy

-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.

M2 made it clear in the transcript of the PM with P that was included in the divorce proceedings with M2 that he (or LG) burned M1 belongings in LG's backyard.

PurpleMedley122 said:

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Mani got the Toronto mansion. He did not bulldoze that.
He tore down the Galpin home, which was his before either marriage.
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I've ordered it. Maybe that says more about me than anything. Everyone is different and will have different opinions. I can't imagine the sorrow she has had to endure. Not talking about your child that passed is too much to ask. She went by his wishes while he was here. Sadly he's gone from this earth and won't care now.

I never met Prince. Most of us only know him through his songs. Some were fortunate to share their lives with him, some were fortunate to know and interact with people from Prince's camp.

My point is - I only know him through his songs and the stories I read about him, so I 100% support people that write about him, provided they knew him personally. Of course, it will be their side of the story, not Prince's, but for the time being it's the best I can get. So I'll buy the book, I'll read it and this way I can say I know Prince better. All I care about.

I also get the point that he was a very private man, and he wouldn't have endorsed this book, well, he was in the midst of writing his own biography, so he seemed to be willing to share more personal details, which is what Mayte's book is doing.

The man also said my life with you I share, his first song on his first album, so again, Mayte does it on his behalf...

I look forward to reading it and hopefully I won't eat my words

No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints.

rednblue said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.

I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

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fortuneandserendipity said:

BillieBalloon said:

fortuneandserendipity said: Does that say Jesus on her ass?

Yes God is love. And I love her butt

That seems very disrespectful to me.

Man, didn't you know that Prince was just heartless and just didn't care about his suffering wife or his deceased son. Too interested in promoting an album to care.

benni said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said: -Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.

Yeah, it couldn't have been that it was too painful to be around her at all? It couldn't have been that being around her reminded him of his son and what they lost. Nah, that would be just too obvious.

purplerabbithole said:

No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints.

rednblue said:

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

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"No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints."

I can recognize sarcasm, but is that what I said?

sonshine said:

Something else for the haters to consider: If you really care about prince and his memory or whatever you want people to believe you would be grateful that he experienced the unwavering love of another in his life. Your beating up on Mayte says more about your misguided loyalty than it does about her or anything she has done. She has appeared respectful at any events she has attended in his honor. She has not divulged any deep, dark secrets or bad-mouthed him. She has only told the truth and that's on you if you can't handle it. She has spoken gently of him him even the not so nice parts. It's clear that she loved him deeply and remained a faithful, supportive partner through it all just as she vowed the day they wed. HE gave up on them. HE quit. You should worry more about why he could so easily throw love away rather than be critical of her. I appreciate that she loved him, warts and all. She didn't give up on him. She never stopped trying to make a happy life with him until that was no longer an option. How can you find fault with such a person?

Agree and well said. I am ok with Mayte speaking her truth. She has rights to do so.

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Who asked her to bury the experience? He asked her to appear for ten minutes on a show and put on a brave face rather than crying in a bed for days on end with her son's urn in her hands. she was able to do it. Are we are to assume that Prince wouldn't allow her counceling or therapy or her mother's assistance? He even mentioned therapy (vaguely) in the Oprah interview. And besides she could have said no about the show.

Remember he was mourning too. His approach might have seemed cruel to her..but he did it to himself as well. It probably was worse for her because she carried the baby. But he still had to put on the brave face publically. Are we to assume he just didn't care? Listen to what he says in both interviews. He doesn't deny that the baby died. He merely suggests that they will carry on and he tells Oprah over and over that he loves his wife. Now, if it is just an act-- Why? Why not just go on Oprah by himself and claim that Mayte is home caring for their son or preparing for motherhood. Do you really think a dude who changed his name to a symbol, told a record studio to shove it, barely released his best music, and didn't do "We are the World" really cares if people think he is father of the year. He wanted privacy, the press to leave him alone about it, and a way to cope. So he said, we'll be fine...here's the proof. Now leave us alone. His "Comeback" song indicates exactly how he coped with that loss---he was in a sort of denial that involved Ahmir's spirit remaining with him and being reborn in the next pregnancy. I am not trivializing her pain. I just saying its obviously complicated. In fact, I think he seemed rather sad in the GMA interview.

I am not condeming her really and I defended Manuela by the way for the most part (except for taking him to court for gifts from him years later). . I am just saying that Mayte's book has been distastefully advertised with soundbites and passages about the son's death with no context. That's the part of pissed me off, not the book itself but what she allowed the press to pull out of the book..

the world doesn't revolve around Prince but if the people around him want to carry on as if it does then they are enabling him... and I challenge the notion that anyone was really forced to do anything they didn't want to. Mayte could have left whenever she wanted to and moved back in with her parents. She didn't for whatever reason.

By the way, Prince is the common demoninator because yes he is flawed and also because he is famous and people have different complicated motives for wanting to be around him. Really are there any famous people with stable long term relationships? Is he any worse than Brando, Elvis, or any number of ladies men with preferences for younger women. In fact, I would argue he is better than those fellows. Celebrites have their own flaws but there are also extenuating circumstances like fame and temptation.. Prince's flaws are well-established. Giving the man the benefit of the doubt is lacking. He is not Bill Cosby raping girls. He is an emotional cripple with abandonment issues, paranoia, communication issues and workaholic tendencies.

SpookyNopetopus said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly it is too easy to make him the devil and not take the time to realize that it takes to tango. said:

Let me be clear: I don't think Prince was the devil. I am saying he was a seriously flawed dude who did some cruel things to many people. Whatever his intentions were? I don't know, since I've never been up in his head, but the outcome of those intentions were cruel and distasteful, and I'm not going to brush them aside because I like his music, or -- sometimes -- his personality. I also find it really funny that so many are quick to just write Mayte, Manuela, or whoever else as purely evil, and don't want to extend the same amount of sympathy/empathy to these women as they do to Prince. So, yeah, I'm going to point right back to the common demominator of these failed things: Prince. There was something wrong going on there that wasn't all the women. A lot of it was him, too. And whatever else Mayte might have done in life that wasn't great, she still should talk about this if she wants to. Will I read the book? I don't know, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But I'm certainly not going to go in on the girl for talking about him, even if what she says might be unflattering. I've thought some unflattering things about Prince for YEARS, so I can hardly blame her for putting things in print, and I'm not going to castigate her for talking about the experience with her child. It was uncomfortable for me to read, but I'm betting that shit was 20,000 times worse for her, who had to bear the child, then realize he wasn't going to live. She might or might not be the worst person ever, but by God, in that moment she was somebody's mother, and she was looking at burying her baby in a very short time. She should never have been asked to bury that experience, EVER. She has my sympathy because quite simply, that shit was horrible. THe world does nor revolve around Prince. Nor should it. He didn't exist in a vaccuum.

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No you didn't say that but most discussion about these two seem to imply that. Mayte's either depicted as a saintly victim of a svengali or a shameless gold-digger sent by her parents to lure a rock star. The reality is neither I assume. Prince has good and bad sides and so does she. The problem is that her supporters don't even mention her own complicity in the choices they made as a couple. A woman being told what to do by her man and doing it is still making the choice to do what he says ---unless he is using physical violence or harsh economic repudiation (and I don't mean she had to work for a living elsewhere) then she made choices too. Mayte might be naive, but she has got free will and lived in a modern society.

rednblue said:

purplerabbithole said:

No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints.

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"No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints."

I can recognize sarcasm, but is that what I said?

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Nanni said:

rogifan said:

What Prince thinks of this book and all the tabloid headlines to come:

He would say:

where is this from ?

paisleyparkgirl said:

Batdance video

purplerabbithole said:

No you didn't say that but most discussion about these two seem to imply that. Mayte's either depicted as a saintly victim of a svengali or a shameless gold-digger sent by her parents to lure a rock star. The reality is neither I assume. Prince has good and bad sides and so does she. The problem is that her supporters don't even mention her own complicity in the choices they made as a couple. A woman being told what to do by her man and doing it is still making the choice to do what he says ---unless he is using physical violence or harsh economic repudiation (and I don't mean she had to work for a living elsewhere) then she made choices too. Mayte might be naive, but she has got free will and lived in a modern society.

rednblue said:

"No Prince and Mayte aren't human. Prince is evil and Mayte and her parents are saints."

I can recognize sarcasm, but is that what I said?

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I read your last two posts, and I appreciate your nuanced view of things. Discussions sometimes feel a bit polarized to me, too. Sorry for brief off topic mention, but someone started a thread titled Prince and open relationships a while back. I commented saying that it seemed like Prince, as well as women he loved, had been pained by the appearance of an additional lover. I thought additional lovers were an inherent part of the definition of "open relationships," the title of the thread. I simply said that in multiple cases, both parties were jealous and hurt when other lovers entered the picture.

I made the same observation about both parties, but in my opinion, I got reactions like I was greatly favoring one party over another. It almost felt as though some people were saying I was on Team Prince, while others were saying I was on Team Women. : )

Anyway, I hope that I view things with nuance, and although I agree with the person who pointed out that cruelties (and I'd say cruelties by any of the parties) can't simply be excused away by tough times, I am interested in people's individual stories. I've never known anyone in the Prince world, but I'm sure none of these folks are completely perfect or totally evil. Human beings are complicated. I'm interested in people's challenges and life experiences. Tonight, I've been looking back at some early Prince interviews. They do have some often (at least at the time) repeated misinformation, but I think the quotes are really interesting. I realize many have seen these before, but in case you're interested: http://beaconp.tumblr.com...tales-from

Sorry for the tangent!

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

She can tell her story, it is not just princes story, he married her so he made it her story too. I do think describing the babies appearance should have been kept private, out of respect for the child. obviously something she would discuss in detail with her loved ones, but not for any random person that may or may not give a crap. To included those details and then get paid feels wrong. She could have told the exact same story without describing the little one, and not lost any of the story. Again, it just makes me feel bad for everyone, that it all had to end like this...

it's almost described like the scene from rosemary's baby, why she (or her writer) described it like this who knows but it was powerful. If it was true, and i don't believe everything in most bios, if it was, it's intensely sad.

It seems prince had a drug issue and suffereed from depression for a long time. And that's not hard to believe or a stretch considering he seemingly never came straight on anything much less his personal problems always the riddles and what not. And always alone an estranged from people. Mj all over again.
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heathilly said:

Wonder what he was depressed about? If I were Prince I wouldve been happy 24/7

I do hope she is honest..But we will never know for sure.I have often wondered if she ever thinks as she is a Mom now herself of how her Mother gave P a tape of her belly dancing when she was still a child (16) and seemed to encourage her to have a relationship with a man in his 30's..Yes,I know she didn't go to live..errrr work with him until she was 18..but to me that's disgusting.

dance4me3121 said:

Well I know people look at celebs like their life is perfect and especially if your a fan of someone you looked past glaring issues and red flags. But Prince's solitude was quite unhealthy for one and I say that being quite introverted myself. But as many people were at paisley park and the thousand of people he played for at his concerts how many do you think he actually had real stimulating conversations with? Let's not forget the trauma of him losing his parents and children and also the tremendous physical pain he was in that effects anyone and prince just seems like the type of person who pushes away unpleasantness repressing anything have to do with the situation. I'm not trying to psychoanalyze but these things just seem so apparent to me.

From what I have read on various social media platforms, Mayte is now Satan and Prince is the innocent lamb brought to slaughter. There are usually three sides to every story, and Mayte certainly deserves to tell her side of their tale without the horrific comments being made about her.

Purplebflogirl said:

I do hope she is honest..But we will never know for sure.I have often wondered if she ever thinks as she is a Mom now herself of how her Mother gave P a tape of her belly dancing when she was still a child (16) and seemed to encourage her to have a relationship with a man in his 30's..Yes,I know she didn't go to live..errrr work with him until she was 18..but to me that's disgusting.

I think the actual tape with the coin that prince saw was from a television show, what was the name? That's Incredible I think, mayte wasn't even 16, she looked about 8. People do horrible shit to their kids to get them into show biz, it's sick, it really is, not talking about Prince because Prince wasn't a pedophile. I guess the age difference is pretty big but in earlier eras there would have been nothing unusual about that, nothing ususual or outrageous at all. It's not right, in my opinion, but it used to be commonplace.

IMHO M2 always appeared to me as more calculated that M1..And with the divorce records unsealed it became clear why she fought to have them kept sealed..there it was..She wanted 42k a month in alimony..And received millions in the divorce settlement.Mayte was very young..And again..IMHO her Mom seemed to have $ signs in her eyes...Like M2 did..just my thoughts..

1Sasha said:

From what I have read on various social media platforms, Mayte is now Satan and Prince is the innocent lamb brought to slaughter. There are usually three sides to every story, and Mayte certainly deserves to tell her side of their tale without the horrific comments being made about her.

my issue is, these kinds of books are not usually very well written, they are obviously usually onesided and self serving. Priscilla's book on Elvis wasn't very good, the print was huge and it had no depth. Of course, Elvis' family or other fans might have had issues with some of the info but that's not really my problem with those kinds of books. And believe me, nothing that will come out about Prince will ever hold a candle to the stories about Elvis, Prince was actually pretty conservative in many ways, the main thing being his work which I don't fault him at all for. I don't fault him for loving women either because most of us men are pretty stupid in some way when it comes to women.