Lovejunky said:

Thought Id dump this here since it really is about Maytes Book..THANKS RAYE

Opinion: Did People Mag P...ar enough?

https://rayesradar.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/opinion-did-people-mag-prince-article-go-too-far-or-not-far-enough/

Stand out comments :

The writers clearly attempt to twist the story and bend it against Prince instead of towards a grieving couple. Had they done any research, they would have known that couples seldom know exactly what to do and an attempt to pull their spouse out of the grief with an activity is an act of love, and not an act of malice.

The next glaring omission by the writers is that they apparently failed to mention his severe and chronic hip pain, and his need for a second hip surgery. Injured by many years of jumping from high places while performing … in heels, and all of his acrobatic dances on stage, including splits. Many while holding his guitar. So instead of acknowledging his chronic and severe pain, the writers infer and imply that Prince was using some sort of drug for no reason. Were the ‘drugs’ painkillers? Not far enough.

The inference and interpretations go even further, when they state, and not as a quote, that people had “no idea he was battling drug addiction”. But they offer no proof that there was any such “battle”. In fact, his cause of death states he died from an “accidental” overdose from a painkiller. The other fact is that Ms. Garcia states that she never saw him do “anything”, yet the writers move that statement to a ‘battle’ with ‘drug addiction’. Too far.

And, it gets worse. When a person says that they are “sick” or that they have a “migraine” does not “hint” at drug addiction. Pretty low bar.

I agree. I think Prince was trying to get her out of that depressive state, worrying that she might not recover so soon, perhaps.

Agrre also about the omission of any hip problems and the hip surgery. Why? This strikes me as odd and led me to question whether the joint pain narrative was true or not.

About cursing, I think he was sincere but like Morris Hays and Prince himself said, sometimes he 'slipped'. He sometimes paid into his own swear jar and in 2006 sang the word "ass" when he won a webbie award, but he sincerely tried to avoid curse words.

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

He stopped cursely publicly. But privately, a blind item said he still cursed. Fans need to think hard about these celebrities and their public images. I had spoke to people in the industry about Hollywood over social media over the years and they laughed at how the celebrities fooled fans of what they presented themselves in public eye as I was told many celebrities have Dr.Jekyll and Mr Hyde persona. I also still kind of unsure if he was still JW toward his final years and from what I observed he was expanding his ideas.

In other words, Mayte's book is not going to be for the sensitive. She is going to reveal lot of behind the scenes of the man and some fans who critic Prince based on his public image is likely going to be very shock if they are going to read the book.

Right...because tabloid blind items are always accurate. There are more than enough stories from friends/peers/others that it's pretty clear it wasn't an act he put on for the public. Last time I checked I don't think he had a fan base that cared whether he cursed or not. In fact I could probably find lots of posts here from people that wished he hadn't stopped cursing. Like Prince told Arsenio, there's a lot of things he did 30 years ago that he doesn't do anymore. People can grow and evolve and not everything a celebrity does is an act for the media/public. [Edited 3/18/17 11:39am]

purplerabbithole said:

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

you also said this:

true. So why is everyone assuming that she doesn't have proof of it or that it wasn't eventually confirmed for her? Maybe Prince himself told her that he did it, and gave her a perfectly worded "why" that he did it, so that she didn't blame him or hate him for it.

Both are examples of speculation.

I am pointing that the opposite is just as valid of a speculation. I did not say that I believe that to be true. Notice, I stated "maybe" and "why is everyone assuming" and "how do we know it isn't true"? My response was to Billie's response of the truth is... We don't know what the truth is. We only have a partial story. Everyone is jumping on the speculation wagon to state this is the truth of the story and are vilifying Mayte for it, but the truth is We DON'T know yet. That is my point. Everyone wants to speculate and vilify Mayte, but isn't it reasonable to assume that the opposite is just as valid of a speculation? As I explained in my post, I don't know what she did or didn't do, but neither does anyone else. I am not taking any speculation and stating "This is the truth". I guess I should have explained that more fully. Am I presenting speculations? Yes. I am presenting the speculation that the opposite speculation may also be true. The difference is that I am not stating my speculation is fact, unlike others who are stating Mayte was told by a friend and it's hearsay and why didn't she go to Prince to ask for the ashes or why would she include this in the book because it's hearsay. We don't know any of that for certain. And she is being vilified for it. I guess, I am withholding judgment of what has been presented thus far, in order to form a more sound opinion of the book. Right now, it's all merely speculation and conjecture and a part of the story. So why vilify her for speculation and a partial story? Why not reserve judgment until after the book is released and you have a fuller context of what she is saying?

He didn't marry his adopted daughter. He's not Woody Allen. He had legal guardianship probably for practical reasons. Going on tour in other countries and the parents not available...perhaps they would need permission at hospitals if she hurt or for her to perform in bars. It was probably for legal reasons. Her parents were still her parents. And at 18, she was legally an adult. He married her at 22 when she was an adult.

CryingDove1967 said:

Why is everyone so upset about a book while overlooking the part of the article that says He became her legal guardian at 17 then went on to marry her? I love Him and am shattered by His death. But that's literally the oddest thing I've ever read about Him. I understand doing it to take her on tour as a dancer but it's still odd. Although He did truly seem to love and adore her and I wish they'd been able to fill Paisley Park with children like He wanted. Maybe His life would've been different and we would still have Him with us. "Always cry for love, never cry for pain." - Prince

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Identity said: Maybe because he was in pain. 🙏🏿

There's no mention of Prince being in pain in this book. Don't you find that strange? Given that even Shela E said he was in pain after the PR tour. She was married to him and shared a life with him for 10 years. I wonder if the joint pain narrative was fed to us by Sheila E straight from the beginning, to make him look better by having an excuse for doing drugs. Even Kravitz alluded that he knew what had happened...

We don't know that there is no mention of Prince being in pain in the book. We don't have the full story yet, only excerpts released by the media. Until the book is out, we only have a partial story.

My brother snuck drugs when he was a teenager and my parents didn't find out until recently. They knew him. They just didn't understand everything he was going through. It takes a lifetime to fully understand someone sometimes. But it doesn't mean Mayte didn't know things about his nature.

paulludvig said:

purplerabbithole said:

Knowing someone doesn't mean you always understand them. HOw well do we understand anyone we know. We just know what their habits and tendencies are but we can never know other people as well as know ourselves (with the exceptions of psychiarists/therapists most of us don't know entirely how to figure out the inter workings of someone's elses minds.

Prince was a tougher nut to crack but his wives knew him.

If Prince was doing drugs in the 90' and Mayte didn't figure it out at the time,it seems she didn't know him.

[Edited 3/18/17 11:56am]

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

Co-sign on this post. Prince was gifted but damn he had some ISSUES. I think the ashes things might be true. Prince was a bizarre dude. He was type of person would do whatever it takes to erases the past or the pain. I also believed he had depression he admitted himself he was depressed during Dirty Mind tour and during his childhood. At the end of the day people on this board need to realized that many celebrities create public images of themselves and present what they want the public to know but behind close doors they are very opposite.Prince is no exceptional.

You think the ashes thing might be true. Well I'd like to know for sure before it gets put in a book and then is tabloid fodder everywhere. Otherwise the book should be labeled fiction.

And do you know Prince's ways behind close doors? Mayte did. Even though she was around his life for a decade her story holds more weight than all of us in this forum. Like I stated several posts back, celebrities crafted a public image to keep fans from learning their genuine self. Heck I know a few celebrities uses pseudoym names on their social media pages to keep fans from finding them and have another page for telling what they want fans to know. In other words, unless you know a celebrity personally, don't assume their public image is their truth.

Even one of Prince's associates said it on her Facebook page Prince fooled fans all the time. Fans do have options of either read the book or not but they have no business telling Prince women (who he surrounded himself with the most) how to tell their stories. Everything is not all about Prince despite his superstar status.

The part that I find interesting that no one has mentioned is that Mayte said he had a will when she was with him and was shocked to learn that he didn't have a will now. I'm unfamiliar with how wills work, but wouldn't the last will he wrote still be valid?

ladygirl99 said:

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said: You think the ashes thing might be true. Well I'd like to know for sure before it gets put in a book and then is tabloid fodder everywhere. Otherwise the book should be labeled fiction.

And do you know Prince's ways behind close doors? Mayte did. Even though she was around his life for a decade her story holds more weight than all of us in this forum. Like I stated several posts back, celebrities crafted a public image to keep fans from learning their genuine self. Heck I know a few celebrities uses pseudoym names on their social media pages to keep fans from finding them and have another page for telling what they want fans to know. In other words, unless you know a celebrity personally, don't assume their public image is their truth.

Even one of Prince's associates said it on her Facebook page Prince fooled fans all the time. Fans do have options of either read the book or not but they have no business telling Prince women (who he surrounded himself with the most) how to tell their stories. Everything is not all about Prince despite his superstar status.

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Oh? Not only is do the statements in that last paragraph contradict each other, the last sentence ignores the FACT that there would be no book deal for this person in the first place without him. It is all about him, or there would be no $ in it, and publishers wouldn't even entertain books deals.

Good point.

benni said:

The part that I find interesting that no one has mentioned is that Mayte said he had a will when she was with him and was shocked to learn that he didn't have a will now. I'm unfamiliar with how wills work, but wouldn't the last will he wrote still be valid?

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

He stopped cursely publicly. But privately, a blind item said he still cursed. Fans need to think hard about these celebrities and their public images. I had spoke to people in the industry about Hollywood over social media over the years and they laughed at how the celebrities fooled fans of what they presented themselves in public eye as I was told many celebrities have Dr.Jekyll and Mr Hyde persona. I also still kind of unsure if he was still JW toward his final years and from what I observed he was expanding his ideas.

In other words, Mayte's book is not going to be for the sensitive. She is going to reveal lot of behind the scenes of the man and some fans who critic Prince based on his public image is likely going to be very shock if they are going to read the book.

Right...because tabloid blind items are always accurate. There are more than enough stories from friends/peers/others that it's pretty clear it wasn't an act he put on for the public. Last time I checked I don't think he had a fan base that cared whether he cursed or not. In fact I could probably find lots of posts here from people that wished he hadn't stopped cursing. Like Prince told Arsenio, there's a lot of things he did 30 years ago that he doesn't do anymore. People can grow and evolve and not everything a celebrity does is an act for the media/public. [Edited 3/18/17 11:39am]

Some are accurate, some aren't. Well shortly before Prince died, I read an article he went to this club in NYC and the manager said Prince had his demands and Prince was somewhat apological and told him he hope he wasn't being pain in the ass. I don't think he is tabloid. And also of course his friends and peers aren't going to tell the fans/public about Prince's bad days because they want to be a true friend.

Some fans do care he cursed, some doesn't. That isn't my point. My point is that celebrities often create at least two based on what their manager/agent/publicist told them with their input. One to the fans and another to their family and partners. So again don't be suprised if that assistant confirmed what Mayte said was true about the ashes.

Come on.

awake4now said:

ladygirl99 said:

And do you know Prince's ways behind close doors? Mayte did. Even though she was around his life for a decade her story holds more weight than all of us in this forum. Like I stated several posts back, celebrities crafted a public image to keep fans from learning their genuine self. Heck I know a few celebrities uses pseudoym names on their social media pages to keep fans from finding them and have another page for telling what they want fans to know. In other words, unless you know a celebrity personally, don't assume their public image is their truth.

Even one of Prince's associates said it on her Facebook page Prince fooled fans all the time. Fans do have options of either read the book or not but they have no business telling Prince women (who he surrounded himself with the most) how to tell their stories. Everything is not all about Prince despite his superstar status.

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Oh? Not only is do the statements in that last paragraph contradict each other, the last sentence ignores the FACT that there would be no book deal for this person in the first place without him. It is all about him, or there would be no $ in it, and publishers wouldn't even entertain books deals.

Thank you.

How can anyone make a statement like? Look at the cover of the book. Prince is on it. Look at the title.

[Edited 3/18/17 12:12pm]

benni said:

The part that I find interesting that no one has mentioned is that Mayte said he had a will when she was with him and was shocked to learn that he didn't have a will now. I'm unfamiliar with how wills work, but wouldn't the last will he wrote still be valid?

When someone dies and the Estate is put into Probate Court there is an order for anyone to come forth with a will or trust documents.

If you are a lawyer and you wrote the will you have to come forward or risk being stripped of your license.

I am in agreement with you here that this is a very important part of this book and is worth mentioning.

benni said:

The part that I find interesting that no one has mentioned is that Mayte said he had a will when she was with him and was shocked to learn that he didn't have a will now. I'm unfamiliar with how wills work, but wouldn't the last will he wrote still be valid?

Ok, you're gonna have to cough up that source and present it properly here because some of us have gone as far as wanting to unhinge the sealed lips of his closest associates to find that out.

Other than that, if Mayte walked down the street adorned in all her glory, the only way she would get any recognition is if she hung a sign around her neck stating " I was Prince's wife, I think he was doing drugs, we lost a baby, and now I'm writing a book". Sorta what she's doing now.

muleFunk said:

benni said:

The part that I find interesting that no one has mentioned is that Mayte said he had a will when she was with him and was shocked to learn that he didn't have a will now. I'm unfamiliar with how wills work, but wouldn't the last will he wrote still be valid?

When someone dies and the Estate is put into Probate Court there is an order for anyone to come forth with a will or trust documents.

If you are a lawyer and you wrote the will you have to come forward or risk being stripped of your license.

I am in agreement with you here that this is a very important part of this book and is worth mentioning.

So would the will that Mayte said he had when they were together be valid if he didn't create a new will? Or is it that he could have voided that will?

Menes said:

benni said:

The part that I find interesting that no one has mentioned is that Mayte said he had a will when she was with him and was shocked to learn that he didn't have a will now. I'm unfamiliar with how wills work, but wouldn't the last will he wrote still be valid?

Ok, you're gonna have to cough up that source and present it properly here because some of us have gone as far as wanting to unhinge the sealed lips of his closest associates to find that out.

Other than that, if Mayte walked down the street adorned in all her glory, the only way she would get any recognition is if she hung a sign around her neck stating " I was Prince's wife, I think he was doing drugs, we lost a baby, and now I'm writing a book". Sorta what she's doing now.

It's in the UK article.


"She is particularly confused by the absence of a will, “Because when I was married to him, he had one.”

[Edited 3/18/17 12:21pm]

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

There's no mention of Prince being in pain in this book. Don't you find that strange? Given that even Shela E said he was in pain after the PR tour. She was married to him and shared a life with him for 10 years. I wonder if the joint pain narrative was fed to us by Sheila E straight from the beginning, to make him look better by having an excuse for doing drugs. Even Kravitz alluded that he knew what had happened...

So if Mayte doesn't mention pain in this book that means it's a line others have been feeding us to cover up drug use? Because Mayte is the sole authority on Prince? And Mayte would for sure have made mention of it in her book?

No, it does not. I'm wondering about it. That's what we do on online forums, we question, throw out thoughts and discuss things. Wouldn't it be increadibly boring if all we did was spew out absolute truths?

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

Probably to allow her to support her (addopted) daughter, since she does not (contrary to what everyone believed) receive any allowance from Prince and is probably worried that having MS might hinder her capability of working later or, being that she's a belly dancing teacher.

Geez, the attacks I've read so far on this woman make me cringe, I tell ya...

Why should she be receiving money from Prince/his estate just because she was once married to him?

I did not say she should. Are you purposelly misreading my posts? I said she was not receiving any allowance from him like many people believed she was...

awake4now said:

ladygirl99 said:

And do you know Prince's ways behind close doors? Mayte did. Even though she was around his life for a decade her story holds more weight than all of us in this forum. Like I stated several posts back, celebrities crafted a public image to keep fans from learning their genuine self. Heck I know a few celebrities uses pseudoym names on their social media pages to keep fans from finding them and have another page for telling what they want fans to know. In other words, unless you know a celebrity personally, don't assume their public image is their truth.

Even one of Prince's associates said it on her Facebook page Prince fooled fans all the time. Fans do have options of either read the book or not but they have no business telling Prince women (who he surrounded himself with the most) how to tell their stories. Everything is not all about Prince despite his superstar status.

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Oh? Not only is do the statements in that last paragraph contradict each other, the last sentence ignores the FACT that there would be no book deal for this person in the first place without him. It is all about him, or there would be no $ in it, and publishers wouldn't even entertain books deals.

I stand by what I said. Prince wasn't a one-man island no matter what the image he presented to the fans. He had helped with his success.

And Mayte helped birth his child even though the outcome was horrible. He wrote songs about her. She dance to his videos and onstage. I don't agree with the way her parents introduced him at a young age. Just because she wasn't a musician that doesn't mean her time with Prince was useless. Once again P's associates and exs stories should be heard too and are going to be told whether fans like it or not. Its their history/herstory too.

purplerabbithole said:

He didn't fuck a 16 year old but yet Prince is still getting criticized via message boards all over the internet like he did. But few people are pointing out that the parents allowed this or no sex happened until she was 19. Yes, this is a fan page. But, I am sure you have been on here before and Prince rarely goes unscathed. And he has been criticized on her for liking his women young.

There is a difference between Prince and her daddy. Prince didn't do anything illegal with this girl (according to all parties involved) but how the hell could the parents had known that for sure when they originally agreed to the arrangement. Their lack of skepticism/weariness was scary (unless there was some chaperoning, then all apologies)

BTW, he wasn't attracted to a 13 year old or a pre-teen.. He was attracted to a girl who he had to ask again about her age..so apparently she looked older than 16 and he didnt do anything with her until she was a year past the legal age. Living in the 55,000 square foot Paisley Park doesn't mean she lived in his bedroom right away.

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MMJas said:

Funny, you're quick to criticize her father for doing that, but not so quick to criticise Prince, the all mighty flawless rockstar/genius for wanting a 16 year old in the first place...

[Edited 3/18/17 11:37am]

[Edited 3/18/17 11:40am]

So you are agreeing with me, really. If you are quick to dismiss it, saying that Prince behaved like a gentleman and nothing illegal happened between them, then you should apply that same reasoning to her father, who probably felt she would be safe because he himself understood it was a huge opportunity for her (i'm talking about working for/with Prince, not marrying him) and that Prince was, indeed,m a gentleman. See? It works both ways.

benni said:

The part that I find interesting that no one has mentioned is that Mayte said he had a will when she was with him and was shocked to learn that he didn't have a will now. I'm unfamiliar with how wills work, but wouldn't the last will he wrote still be valid?

I am stunned by this new info. Maybe he decided to destroy the will later on. That should be a new thread in my opinion to discuss as it being overlook on this thread.

Prince was weird and unpredictable as people would called me that too. Us weirdos are not suprised by another weirdo's actions.

BillieBalloon said:

rogifan said:

So if Mayte doesn't mention pain in this book that means it's a line others have been feeding us to cover up drug use? Because Mayte is the sole authority on Prince? And Mayte would for sure have made mention of it in her book?

No, this poster is the sole authority on Prince. Hes figured out that Sheila E is lying and covering up for Prince nd Lenny is in cohoots with Sheila too. Maybe Lenny and Sheila should do an album together. . [Edited 3/18/17 11:45am]

Who's he?

It was a question, not an affirmation.

CryingDove1967 said:

Why is everyone so upset about a book while overlooking the part of the article that says He became her legal guardian at 17 then went on to marry her? I love Him and am shattered by His death. But that's literally the oddest thing I've ever read about Him. I understand doing it to take her on tour as a dancer but it's still odd. Although He did truly seem to love and adore her and I wish they'd been able to fill Paisley Park with children like He wanted. Maybe His life would've been different and we would still have Him with us. "Always cry for love, never cry for pain." - Prince

They were doing a lot of travelling, so perhaps that avoided having to have her parents sign an authorization for her to leave the country? No idea how old you must be before you can leave the country at will.

ladygirl99 said:

awake4now said:

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Oh? Not only is do the statements in that last paragraph contradict each other, the last sentence ignores the FACT that there would be no book deal for this person in the first place without him. It is all about him, or there would be no $ in it, and publishers wouldn't even entertain books deals.

I stand by what I said. Prince wasn't a one-man island no matter what the image he presented to the fans. He had helped with his success.

And Mayte helped birth his child even though the outcome was horrible. He wrote songs about her. She dance to his videos and onstage. I don't agree with the way her parents introduced him at a young age. Just because she wasn't a musician that doesn't mean her time with Prince was useless. Once again P's associates and exs stories should be heard too and are going to be told whether fans like it or not. Its their history/herstory too.

Mayte was not a one woman island. She had help with her success too, that's why she got to write a book, be on a reality show, be in magzines, teach classes,etc . If Prince has a image he presented to fan, so does she. She in the showbusiness too. So what is your point? Who is on the cover of the book? Who is the book mostly about?

paulludvig said:

purplerabbithole said:

Knowing someone doesn't mean you always understand them. HOw well do we understand anyone we know. We just know what their habits and tendencies are but we can never know other people as well as know ourselves (with the exceptions of psychiarists/therapists most of us don't know entirely how to figure out the inter workings of someone's elses minds.

Prince was a tougher nut to crack but his wives knew him.

If Prince was doing drugs in the 90' and Mayte didn't figure it out at the time,it seems she didn't know him.

There's no way to know for sure, either way. However, you only have to look at the case of Joseph Fritzl to realise how the maddest shit can be concealed, the crazy lengths he went to.

As far as Mayte's concerned, it's really the same thing. There's seen and unseen, so if she doesn't see much then she won't suspect.

Purplestar88 said:

ladygirl99 said:

I stand by what I said. Prince wasn't a one-man island no matter what the image he presented to the fans. He had helped with his success.

And Mayte helped birth his child even though the outcome was horrible. He wrote songs about her. She dance to his videos and onstage. I don't agree with the way her parents introduced him at a young age. Just because she wasn't a musician that doesn't mean her time with Prince was useless. Once again P's associates and exs stories should be heard too and are going to be told whether fans like it or not. Its their history/herstory too.

Mayte was not a one woman island. She had help with her success too, that's why she got to write a book, be on a reality show, be in magzines, teach classes,etc . If Prince has a image he presented to fan, so does she. She in the showbusiness too. So what is your point? Who is on the cover of the book? Who is the book mostly about?

She never bragged about doing everything by herself she always connected herself to Prince.

My point is Prince and many fans always thinking Prince did everything by himself.

Duh I know she is in the showbusiness but if you have been reading this thread, people are having a hard time believing some of things Prince was accused of because they had a fantasy and cant do no wrong image of him NOT a human, flaw one.

[Edited 3/18/17 12:55pm]

More like:

I hear you.

But I think her dad took a little too big of a leap of faith. I wouldn't have condoned it as a parent. But it is a different time and we are more cynical than even 20 years ago.

MMJas said:

purplerabbithole said:

He didn't fuck a 16 year old but yet Prince is still getting criticized via message boards all over the internet like he did. But few people are pointing out that the parents allowed this or no sex happened until she was 19. Yes, this is a fan page. But, I am sure you have been on here before and Prince rarely goes unscathed. And he has been criticized on her for liking his women young.

There is a difference between Prince and her daddy. Prince didn't do anything illegal with this girl (according to all parties involved) but how the hell could the parents had known that for sure when they originally agreed to the arrangement. Their lack of skepticism/weariness was scary (unless there was some chaperoning, then all apologies)

BTW, he wasn't attracted to a 13 year old or a pre-teen.. He was attracted to a girl who he had to ask again about her age..so apparently she looked older than 16 and he didnt do anything with her until she was a year past the legal age. Living in the 55,000 square foot Paisley Park doesn't mean she lived in his bedroom right away.

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[Edited 3/18/17 11:37am]

[Edited 3/18/17 11:40am]

So you are agreeing with me, really. If you are quick to dismiss it, saying that Prince behaved like a gentleman and nothing illegal happened between them, then you should apply that same reasoning to her father, who probably felt she would be safe because he himself understood it was a huge opportunity for her (i'm talking about working for/with Prince, not marrying him) and that Prince was, indeed,m a gentleman. See? It works both ways.