LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

the "ashes thing" is a 100% deal breaker in regards to book credibility. There entire relationship was odd from all angles, and she got a pass from lots of prince people because of her age. Well she is not a kid any more and in my opinion she just made the most immature unloving worst descion of her life by writing a "tell all" know nothing book. I would say she safely ended her relationship with any further prince activities, I think booed off the stage would be probably the least of her problems in a room full of prince people. So in the end you get what you sew, she can now "love" him in private for the rest of her life, cause her welcome sign is gone.

That could be true though. Where are those ashes? We won't know if it's true or not until either Tyka speaks out, or the assistant speaks out.

If Prince really did that with those ashes or baby clothes, that doesn't bode well for his legacy.

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If Prince didn't really do that, then it doesn't bode well for her.

Menes said:

She couldn't resist the temptation to settle the score one last time after feeling betrayed for all these years. She has been making offhand remarks, dropping hints here and there, and soliciting help in any way she could to get Prince out of her system while simultaneously making some cash.. A brooding broad she became. The boyfriend's didnt work, the shelter didn't work, that wretched ratchet show didn't work, selling off your most beloved and cherished items from your marriage didnt work, adopting a child didnt work... something has to work!

Many of them have used certain mediums to benefit from the man. Some ran and started church, others ran to facebook, some to twitter, some started painting as if Picasso had possessed them, some started touring, some resurrrected singing careers(sit down Sharon).

But, but, but, the book! This might work because now the world knows me through Prince and they will pay me to read it! I get to make money off of his name finally! It's her right, so ask yourself, you think this is out of love? Maybe in Tagalog it is.

The problem is, in English, selling this story would best be described as a shrewed definition of success when you diminish in any way the hand that fed you.This has nothing to do with Prince. Ulitmate betrayal. To the public square!

Hallelujah! Somebody around here can peep game. You are one of the few.

benni said:

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said: How are we ever going to know if it's true or not? And why publish something that can't be verified? Hearsay shouldn't be in this book. [Edited 3/18/17 7:05am]

Because it was something she was told that had an impact on her. It effected her deeply. Whether it was true or not. I understand how it could effect her, even if she doesn't know the truth of it. How could it not effect her? To her, that is a part of her story, and it is something that had an impact on her, that may have colored the way in which she saw LG and the JW, if a part of her believes they were instrumental in Prince doing that. What everyone seems to be overlooking is that this is Mayte's story, not Prince's. This is her side so of course she is going to include those things that impacted her the greatest from those times. And the fact remains, from the UK article, it doesn't say that she doesn't know it is true. So why is everyone assuming that she doesn't have proof of it or that it wasn't eventually confirmed for her? Maybe Prince himself told her that he did it, and gave her a perfectly worded "why" that he did it, so that she didn't blame him or hate him for it.

And how do we know it isn't true? Prince often said "I don't believe in time," "I don't look back," "I don't look at the past." Ahmir is a part of the past, a very painful past. Knowing how Prince was about looking back and how he was about sentimentality, about clinging to things from the past, why is it so astonishing to people to think that Prince would not, could not hang on to something that was such a painful reminder of what he'd lost? JWs believe that once you are dead, you are dead. Nothing of you remains. The body is just an empty shell. I can imagine how it could have played out. "Why are you clinging to something that is just an empty shell? Your son no longer exists in those bones. Keeping them only reminds you of the pain of your loss and hanging on to Mayte's things only remind you of that time too."

As for previous posts by others that were questioning why she didn't have the ashes, she had went to Spain to purchase them a hacienda, that Prince rarely visited. And if Prince had wanted to keep the ashes, do you all honestly believe that Mayte could have gotten them from him? If Prince wanted something, Prince got it. If Prince wanted to keep something, Prince kept it. If he didn't, it was gone. Prince let go of people and things easily if they no longer served the purpose he wanted them to serve. I know that ideology, too, and it is a result of his childhood, because I can do it easily too.

Once again, a calm, compassionate voice of rationality...Thanks...and don't stop.

BillieBalloon said:

purplerabbithole said:

Okay agreed. But let's say the assistant comes forth and says its true. Are you all going to hate Prince and stop listening to his music. Or believe like Mayte that it was the actions were the result of his pain?

I think he may have burnt some of Mayte's stuff in a fire at Larry's. But the urn might have burned up in the house he burned down. He wasn't there for that physically as indicated in the divorce records for Manuela. But he may have been off somewhere else praying.

He never burned any house down, he had a house demolished. She says burned, not demolished.

If he burned a house down he would have ended up in jail for arson. Ridiculous.

purplethunder3121 said:

BillieBalloon said:

He never burned any house down, he had a house demolished. She says burned, not demolished.

If he burned a house down he would have ended up in jail for arson. Ridiculous.

Thank you.

The misinformation on this thread isn't helpful.

So far as I know no one has this book and read it cover to cover, judgements are out there already based on Book highlights that are used to sell a book, that is marketing, thats why when a POP female puts out a single she is wearing a skimpy outfit to sell sex, its marketing and how they do it. MAYTE's reference to medication was that she took it and then said something was missing and he appeared hazy at one time, that may be alluding that he had taken something earlier in LIFE. But to me that is not an issue, because we know he did at a time experiment or was widely rumored he did. Morris Hayes very recently was pressed in an interview about DRUGS and said he had "heard" things but never saw it, so to me that is very similar and of course dear old LENNY K said when he heard of his death "knew what it was" .

At this point if someone is going to write a book I want it to be someone around him if its going to be, and then I WILL USE my brain and deal with it. OK its over he is not here, hate to tell this to the ORG BUT most of the population because of how he died and how it was reported and how secretive he was, a huge amount of the general public think HE was a drug addict. And so Shelia and Morris and the Revolution and NPG and 3rd eye etc....can do all the interviews they want and talk how great and loving he was and it is true for US fans but that is never going to win over the general public, that boat has sailed with them.

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purplerabbithole said:

Really? Who is this story going to come out from? Who's going to tell it? No one can defend putting something in a book that they don't know for sure is true.

benni said:

What everyone seems to be overlooking is that this is Mayte's story, not Prince's.

And how do we know it isn't true?

I said in the beginning that I had no problem with her writing a book.

My problem is when someone is dead and someone close to them makes a statement then the other side has no chance to defend themselves.

It's like all of these books written after Dr. King's death saying he was a womanizer. The man is dead and cannot confirm or deny any story. Many of these books were written about Dr. King to discredit him and his wife was the one who denied the claims.

Prince has no one to deny anything so any statement becomes truth.

So, if he dealt with the loss of his child in this way...its a dealbreaker for you. I get it. A bit too cut and dry in my opinion. If it is true, then his wife forgave him for it and it was her son. Wouldn't that also bode badly for her according to your sense of morality?

PennyPurple said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

the "ashes thing" is a 100% deal breaker in regards to book credibility. There entire relationship was odd from all angles, and she got a pass from lots of prince people because of her age. Well she is not a kid any more and in my opinion she just made the most immature unloving worst descion of her life by writing a "tell all" know nothing book. I would say she safely ended her relationship with any further prince activities, I think booed off the stage would be probably the least of her problems in a room full of prince people. So in the end you get what you sew, she can now "love" him in private for the rest of her life, cause her welcome sign is gone.

That could be true though. Where are those ashes? We won't know if it's true or not until either Tyka speaks out, or the assistant speaks out.

If Prince really did that with those ashes or baby clothes, that doesn't bode well for his legacy.

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If Prince didn't really do that, then it doesn't bode well for her.

[Edited 3/18/17 9:10am]

muleFunk said:

benni said:

What everyone seems to be overlooking is that this is Mayte's story, not Prince's.

And how do we know it isn't true?

I said in the beginning that I had no problem with her writing a book.

My problem is when someone is dead and someone close to them makes a statement then the other side has no chance to defend themselves.

It's like all of these books written after Dr. King's death saying he was a womanizer. The man is dead and cannot confirm or deny any story. Many of these books were written about Dr. King to discredit him and his wife was the one who denied the claims.

Prince has no one to deny anything so any statement becomes truth.

You're right. Prince has no way to confirm or deny what is written about him now. I recall stories of my mother and father, they have no way to confirm or deny them, but that does not make my recollections any less MY understanding of MY experiences. They may have seen those things in a different way or have a different understanding of them, and I look at those experiences through the eyes of the child I was and the adult I am.

Truth, however, always remains true. And just because something is written or recalled, doesn't make it true, it just makes it that persons perspective of that truth. At the end of the day, that is all we have is our perspective of what we see the truth as, when in actuality truth is simply that and is the experience of it, not the words we use to describe it. Truth isn't our perspective of the events, because our perspective is always colored by who we are in that moment.

So, I disagree that any statement becomes truth. It may become an accepted statement for some, and others may continue to question the validity of the statement. For myself, I am adult enough to understand and accept that this is Mayte's understanding of her experiences that are colored by the young woman she was at the time and the woman she is now. Just as Prince's understanding of those times would have been colored by the man he was then and the man he was at a later time.

purplerabbithole said:

So, if he dealt with the loss of his child in this way...its a dealbreaker for you. I get it. A bit too cut and dry in my opinion. If it is true, then his wife forgave him for it and it was her son. Wouldn't that also bode badly for her according to your sense of morality?

PennyPurple said:

That could be true though. Where are those ashes? We won't know if it's true or not until either Tyka speaks out, or the assistant speaks out.

If Prince really did that with those ashes or baby clothes, that doesn't bode well for his legacy.

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If Prince didn't really do that, then it doesn't bode well for her.

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Look, I'll always be a fan of Prince, but that doesn't mean I have to like what he did. If he really did that, then he was a big vindictive asshole, who couldn't bring himself to do it, so he made an assistant do it. We all know he was an ass with some of the women anyways, but it doesn't compare to this.

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Several people could clear it all up in a second. Tyka or the assistant.

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If he didn't want the ashes, that's fine too, but at least give them to Mayte or ask her if she wants them. Don't be a dick about it. Seriously.

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And if the assistant threw them in the fire.....what kind of person is she? No compassion, no morals??

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Then again I don't believe in cremation, several family members have been cremated and those ashes are respected. You don't go throw them in the trash, or throw them in a fire. That is disrespectful to the dead and to the living. And as a mother, I would guarantee that those ashes would be with me. I wouldn't NOT know where those ashes were.

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So right now I'm disheartened by HIS actions and HER actions.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I do no know of any other woman that had a newborn child die, and was, and still is expected not to talk about it ever, in the real world the mother would be embraced and comforted. I think medical experts would say it is very unhealthy to suppress all of that. On the other hand, the head line "tell all" is so trashy and does not feel loving at all. The adoration and disgust I am sure will be all over the place. But in the end she can just take all that emotion to the bank.

On her instagram, Mayte posted on September 19, 2016 a photo of the cover of the book with the following caption: The Most Beautiful .... read this beautiful story coming April 2017- pre order on Amazon.com #notatellall #lovestory: https://www.instagram.com...jvgKhgDC0/

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Perhaps People used the phrase "tells all" in the title of the story 2 sell copies even though Mayte claims on her instagram (see the hashtag) that the book is not a tell all. We will see when the book is released.

YOur assumption that it was vindictive and nothing else is what I disagree with. I am a mother too and no doubt I would be pissed at least at first if something like this was done by my ex husband but over time and with a full understanding, my mood might change. my knee jerk reaction would be angry (as hers might have been) but upon reflection and after inquiring about it I might change my mind. It depends on the circumstances. Keeping the ashes could be contrued as vindictive.

But if prince burned the ashes without her knowledge and she only found out years later, then it had nothing to do with revenge (He would have wanted her to know if it were revenge.)

And yes, I think he couldn't do it himself so therefore the assistant did it.

Benni's explanation makes sense to me according to Prince's relgious beliefs; therefore I think its forgivable, even if I think it was a bad decision and unfair to Mayte (who should have had a say.) But grieving people throwing themselves into religious zealousness don't always make good decisions.

Was Prince really that vindictive. He played mindgames sometimes when he was insecure. HE could be petty and shady but it was usually subtle or quick. But generally, cutting people off was his thing when someone pissed him off or made him uncomfortable. Going out of his way to ruin people or completely destroy them wasn't.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

So, if he dealt with the loss of his child in this way...its a dealbreaker for you. I get it. A bit too cut and dry in my opinion. If it is true, then his wife forgave him for it and it was her son. Wouldn't that also bode badly for her according to your sense of morality?

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Look, I'll always be a fan of Prince, but that doesn't mean I have to like what he did. If he really did that, then he was a big vindictive asshole, who couldn't bring himself to do it, so he made an assistant do it. We all know he was an ass with some of the women anyways, but it doesn't compare to this.

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Several people could clear it all up in a second. Tyka or the assistant.

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If he didn't want the ashes, that's fine too, but at least give them to Mayte or ask her if she wants them. Don't be a dick about it. Seriously.

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And if the assistant threw them in the fire.....what kind of person is she? No compassion, no morals??

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Then again I don't believe in cremation, several family members have been cremated and those ashes are respected. You don't go throw them in the trash, or throw them in a fire. That is disrespectful to the dead and to the living. And as a mother, I would guarantee that those ashes would be with me. I wouldn't NOT know where those ashes were.

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So right now I'm disheartened by HIS actions and HER actions.

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benni said:

muleFunk said:

I said in the beginning that I had no problem with her writing a book.

My problem is when someone is dead and someone close to them makes a statement then the other side has no chance to defend themselves.

It's like all of these books written after Dr. King's death saying he was a womanizer. The man is dead and cannot confirm or deny any story. Many of these books were written about Dr. King to discredit him and his wife was the one who denied the claims.

Prince has no one to deny anything so any statement becomes truth.

You're right. Prince has no way to confirm or deny what is written about him now. I recall stories of my mother and father, they have no way to confirm or deny them, but that does not make my recollections any less MY understanding of MY experiences. They may have seen those things in a different way or have a different understanding of them, and I look at those experiences through the eyes of the child I was and the adult I am.

Truth, however, always remains true. And just because something is written or recalled, doesn't make it true, it just makes it that persons perspective of that truth. At the end of the day, that is all we have is our perspective of what we see the truth as, when in actuality truth is simply that and is the experience of it, not the words we use to describe it. Truth isn't our perspective of the events, because our perspective is always colored by who we are in that moment.

So, I disagree that any statement becomes truth. It may become an accepted statement for some, and others may continue to question the validity of the statement. For myself, I am adult enough to understand and accept that this is Mayte's understanding of her experiences that are colored by the young woman she was at the time and the woman she is now. Just as Prince's understanding of those times would have been colored by the man he was then and the man he was at a later time.

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Based on that reasoning, how does one distinguish between "perspective/experience/understanding" and a lie? or a contradiction? At least one of the released excerpts is hearsay. How should that be regarded?

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PeteSilas said:

Militant said:

Prince told his stories in song form. He told his story (as regards to Mayte many times).

From love (The Most Beautiful Girl In The World, The One), lust (Come), marriage (Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife), conception/pregnancy (Sex In The Summer where he used the baby's heartbeat, I would also put New World in this category, as in imagining the world that would exist for his children), the heartbreak at losing the child (Comeback), to the break-up of their marriage (Wasted Kisses, Eye Love But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore). Many more examples.

Stating that Prince didn't tell his story because he didn't write a book doesn't make any sense. He wasn't an author. He was a songwriter.

ok, but i think he was using her (or whoever) as a muse. And those songs weren't blatantly directed at anyone, only we might assume who they'd be about, most fans would think that they were just songs and wouldn't care for the background of them. But even there, that thing I'm talking about, how people try to paint themselves in a way to absolve them, Prince's songs (I love you but don't trust you anymore, man 0' war) have him playing victim which is probably way too simple to be true. Still, a song is a song and a book is a book, he never named anyone in a song that I know of and if he did, he usually used a nickname of some kind.

The One is definitely 4 Mayte. She directed the music video and at the end of the song he says "My, my, my little Mayte." Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife is clearly about her. Let's Have a Baby is clearly about her, the lyrics of this song are printed with a photo of her pregnant in the background in the Emancipation booklet. Betcha By Golly Wow is also 4 her, the music video makes this obvious.

least87 said:

laurarichardson said:

Since he is not here it all the more reason to be respectful that was his son as much as he was Mayte's. Next she will be showing pics of the baby, how about elavator pics, or authosy photos were do you draw the line of just being disrespectul and greedy but I guess as long as we know every intimate detail of his life it is okay.

I appreciate people around Prince sharing their stories - I think they give all of us - and the world - more insight into what he was like and what it meant to know him. I just wish "People" magazine could do without the sensational, gossipy headline.

least87, I totally agree.

PEople's and DM's headlines piss me off. Mayte should have been more careful, but maybe the book is not so bad. We will see.

206Michelle said:

least87 said:

I appreciate people around Prince sharing their stories - I think they give all of us - and the world - more insight into what he was like and what it meant to know him. I just wish "People" magazine could do without the sensational, gossipy headline.

least87, I totally agree.

purplerabbithole said:

YOur assumption that it was vindictive and nothing else is what I disagree with. I am a mother too and no doubt I would be pissed at least at first if something like this was done by my ex husband but over time and with a full understanding, my mood might change. my knee jerk reaction would be angry (as hers might have been) but upon reflection and after inquiring about it I might change my mind. It depends on the circumstances. Keeping the ashes could be contrued as vindictive.

But if prince burned the ashes without her knowledge and she only found out years later, then it had nothing to do with revenge (He would have wanted her to know if it were revenge.)

And yes, I think he couldn't do it himself so therefore the assistant did it.

Benni's explanation makes sense to me according to Prince's relgious beliefs; therefore I think its forgivable, even if I think it was a bad decision and unfair to Mayte (who should have had a say.) But grieving people throwing themselves into religious zealousness don't always make good decisions.

Was Prince really that vindictive. He played mindgames sometimes when he was insecure. HE could be petty and shady but it was usually subtle or quick. But generally, cutting people off was his thing when someone pissed him off or made him uncomfortable. Going out of his way to ruin people or completely destroy them wasn't.

PennyPurple said:

Look, I'll always be a fan of Prince, but that doesn't mean I have to like what he did. If he really did that, then he was a big vindictive asshole, who couldn't bring himself to do it, so he made an assistant do it. We all know he was an ass with some of the women anyways, but it doesn't compare to this.

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Several people could clear it all up in a second. Tyka or the assistant.

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If he didn't want the ashes, that's fine too, but at least give them to Mayte or ask her if she wants them. Don't be a dick about it. Seriously.

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And if the assistant threw them in the fire.....what kind of person is she? No compassion, no morals??

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Then again I don't believe in cremation, several family members have been cremated and those ashes are respected. You don't go throw them in the trash, or throw them in a fire. That is disrespectful to the dead and to the living. And as a mother, I would guarantee that those ashes would be with me. I wouldn't NOT know where those ashes were.

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So right now I'm disheartened by HIS actions and HER actions.

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If he wasn't being vindictive then maybe he should have asked the mother of the child, if she wanted the ashes.

purplerabbithole said:

PEople's and DM's headlines piss me off. Mayte should have been more careful, but maybe the book is not so bad. We will see.

206Michelle said:

least87, I totally agree.

They are trying to sell and that is what sells, if 99% of this book is about love than the public will take from the 1% that maybe scandal to them and run with that. The public and the way it is does not want or care about a love story, they want there to be some sort of hidden scandal so they can share that on FB.

Also she has no control on headlines, you sit with them in an interview and depending on WHO you are you have no say over what they print or say.

Mroshun said:

I am actually excited to read the book. I have no doubt that Mayte will honor him and their shared moments together.

Some of you all buy into the media hype and the marketing ploy. She is not going to exploit him nor dog him.

I feel the same way. I do not expect her 2 throw him under the bus. She may be critical of certain things he did, which is understandable. I expect the book 2 mostly be loving and 2 provide some good insight into his life and career in the 1990s. Mayte was there throughout the battle with Warner Brothers, which was 1 of the hardest parts of Prince's career. Prince shared quite a bit about the battle with WB, and there are many media reports about it, but I think Mayte may provide some interesting insight into this whole situation also.

I guess it's just me but I don't see the ashes as a dealbreaker for me. People throw their loved ones ashes into the ocean or spread them over some chosen place. Idk. If she really cared about it, she could've taken him to court or in the divorce settled it. Wonder why she didn't?

How do you know she wanted them or even asked for him? I don't know if I would want them or not? NOt sure because I have never experienced this. She was hugging the urn in bed weeks after the death apparently but maybe she realized the futility/darkness of that by the time they were seperating from one another. But we can only just trust that she did forgive him for what he did and not assume the worst. Like I said, a religious zealot going through a mourning process (and in early 2000's that's what he was) doesn't always think with a clear head or outside of his little bubble. But according to her, he loved the kid unconditionally. Her descripton of his time in the hospital prove that. He didn't just leave when he saw his deformed child. He stayed in the hospital to see if the kid could be saved and operated on.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

YOur assumption that it was vindictive and nothing else is what I disagree with. I am a mother too and no doubt I would be pissed at least at first if something like this was done by my ex husband but over time and with a full understanding, my mood might change. my knee jerk reaction would be angry (as hers might have been) but upon reflection and after inquiring about it I might change my mind. It depends on the circumstances. Keeping the ashes could be contrued as vindictive.

But if prince burned the ashes without her knowledge and she only found out years later, then it had nothing to do with revenge (He would have wanted her to know if it were revenge.)

And yes, I think he couldn't do it himself so therefore the assistant did it.

Benni's explanation makes sense to me according to Prince's relgious beliefs; therefore I think its forgivable, even if I think it was a bad decision and unfair to Mayte (who should have had a say.) But grieving people throwing themselves into religious zealousness don't always make good decisions.

Was Prince really that vindictive. He played mindgames sometimes when he was insecure. HE could be petty and shady but it was usually subtle or quick. But generally, cutting people off was his thing when someone pissed him off or made him uncomfortable. Going out of his way to ruin people or completely destroy them wasn't.

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If he wasn't being vindictive then maybe he should have asked the mother of the child, if she wanted the ashes.

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benni said:

The only thing that should impact on a person is the truth. When she wrote this book she was 43 years old, old enough to decipher fact from fiction, if you dont know the truth then find out. Yes, this is her story but its also about her life with a man she calls the love of her life. Just because somebody says something to you it doesnt mean they are telling the truth, especially something as serious as this. If she wasnt sure she should have done some digging to unearth the truth. You're speculating that Prince may have told her what he did. Prince did not tell her, she clearly states a friend heard it from somebody else.

Prince was not above the law. A judge would gave given the mother the childs ashes or divided them, whatever. The truth is she didnt know where the ashes were. The truth is also she doesnt know if Prince burned them or not.

Even with all of Prince's money, they did apparently have an official divorce. The annulement I guess didn't count (someone said after four years they don't). So in the divorce proceedings, she could have asked for the ashes and she probably would have gotten them. Divorces tend to favor the mothers. HEll, she probably would have gotten more money if she asked for it.

endiadj said:

I guess it's just me but I don't see the ashes as a dealbreaker for me. People throw their loved ones ashes into the ocean or spread them over some chosen place. Idk. If she really cared about it, she could've taken him to court or in the divorce settled it. Wonder why she didn't?

purplerabbithole said:

According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: Heres hoping, because none of the proceeds from this book go into research into Pfeiffer Syndrome.

Probably to allow her to support her (addopted) daughter, since she does not (contrary to what everyone believed) receive any allowance from Prince and is probably worried that having MS might hinder her capability of working later on in life, being that she's a belly dancing teacher.

Geez, the attacks I've read so far on this woman make me cringe, I tell ya...

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purplerabbithole said:

about the ashes thing...you all are just going to have to live with this if it is true. Prince and Mayte are both weird people. What we might think is disrespectful, Prince might have some weird spiritual reason for doing. It doesn't mean he did not love his son or that it was out of spite or that he didn't honor him in his heart in his own way...(the hospital stories, the Come Back song all prove he loved the child) What he did also might be a result of mental illness and depression.. She painted it as the result of extreme pain. I think she should have have left the statement out because she wasn't there to see how it was done and has no proof but I have heard of worse things. To me, keeping ashes of a deceased loved one on your shelf like a ornament or piece of furniture (or in the entrance of a museum/home) is weird as hell and disrespectful. Other people would disagree obviously.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: The Times is not a tabloid, dont compare their journalistic style to the Daily Mail. Maybe you were not aware of this. Accusing Prince of burning his sons ashes is not scandalous? After Prince died she said "hes with our son now." This is the same man she has accused of tossing his sons ashes on a fire. After he died she got a toattoo to honour him. So IF its true, which i dont belive it is, doesnt she care what he did to the ashes? . . [Edited 3/18/17 3:00am] [Edited 3/18/17 3:02am]

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Co-sign on this post. Prince was gifted but damn he had some ISSUES. I think the ashes things might be true. Prince was a bizarre dude. He was type of person would do whatever it takes to erases the past or the pain. I also believed he had depression he admitted himself he was depressed during Dirty Mind tour and during his childhood. At the end of the day people on this board need to realized that many celebrities create public images of themselves and present what they want the public to know but behind close doors they are very opposite.Prince is no exceptional.

endiadj said:

I guess it's just me but I don't see the ashes as a dealbreaker for me. People throw their loved ones ashes into the ocean or spread them over some chosen place. Idk. If she really cared about it, she could've taken him to court or in the divorce settled it. Wonder why she didn't?

Exactly. I don't know why people are clutching their pearls about the ashes, if it meant something to her she could have inquire about them years ago but knew how to ask for free concerts tickets.

awake4now said:

benni said:

You're right. Prince has no way to confirm or deny what is written about him now. I recall stories of my mother and father, they have no way to confirm or deny them, but that does not make my recollections any less MY understanding of MY experiences. They may have seen those things in a different way or have a different understanding of them, and I look at those experiences through the eyes of the child I was and the adult I am.

Truth, however, always remains true. And just because something is written or recalled, doesn't make it true, it just makes it that persons perspective of that truth. At the end of the day, that is all we have is our perspective of what we see the truth as, when in actuality truth is simply that and is the experience of it, not the words we use to describe it. Truth isn't our perspective of the events, because our perspective is always colored by who we are in that moment.

So, I disagree that any statement becomes truth. It may become an accepted statement for some, and others may continue to question the validity of the statement. For myself, I am adult enough to understand and accept that this is Mayte's understanding of her experiences that are colored by the young woman she was at the time and the woman she is now. Just as Prince's understanding of those times would have been colored by the man he was then and the man he was at a later time.

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Based on that reasoning, how does one distinguish between "perspective/experience/understanding" and a lie? or a contradiction? At least one of the released excerpts is hearsay. How should that be regarded?

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Who says it is hearsay? Mayte? Or the fans that are reading the excerpt?

How does one distinguish between "perspective/experience/understanding" and a lie or a contradiction? I always keep in mind that what people say to me as their truth is THEIR truth, it is colored by their understanding of their experiences in life. It doesn't make it a lie, it's just their understanding given where they are right now.

An example: For years, I blamed myself for my mother's death. If she had gotten help sooner, she would have lived. This was my truth from the age of 7 on. I believed with all my heart, it was my fault because I couldn't get help to her. A few years ago, I learned that my uncle blamed himself for my mother's death. She had went to him the weekend prior to her death, begging to stay with my aunt and uncle, because my dad was beating her again. This particular weekend he said "no" because it never did any good. My mother went back every Monday. So my mom went home to my dad since this particular weekend he wouldn't let her stay. That Monday morning when she woke me up for school, she begged me to get my aunt to come take care of my infant sister because she was not feeling good, it hurt to breath, and she kept seeing colored spots in front of her eyes. In the early morning hours of Tuesday, I was woken up and told my mother had died. I learned she had blood clots throughout her body, they were not able to remove them all surgically. Over the years, I continued to believe it was my fault. That was my truth because maybe if she had gotten to the hospital sooner, they would have had more time to remove the clots.

My uncle's truth was that he said, "no" and my dad beat my mom the entire weekend, until he'd pass out, and then wake up to do it all over again. That was his truth. It was our perspective of the events that led to her death that shaped our truth. Truth is she died from numerous blood clots that were a result of my father beating her. My truth and my uncle's truth could not change the actual truth of the events. But our truths were no less real to us. His truth and my truth were not lies, but they were based upon our perspective and our understanding of the experience.

This is true in all things that we perceive. Our truth is based upon our perspective and understanding at the time. Later we may be given more information and our understanding may change, and thus our truth of that experience may alter related to that new information. An outright lie is an absolute falsehood, something that is told regardless of our understanding and our perspective, something that we KNOW to be untrue. How does the person being told what is a lie and what is someone else's truth? We may not always know when we are being lied to or when we are being told someone elses understanding and perspective of the truth. That is what makes lies so vicious. Regardless, the truth never changes, only our understanding of the truth changes based upon our perspective. A lie isn't always discernable by the one being told the lie, and sometimes it isn't even known to the one lying if they convince themselves of what they are saying. I guess in those situations, that's what makes the betrayal of being lied to so hurtful, because you believe the lie until you learn it is a lie and you've been deceived.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

Because it was something she was told that had an impact on her. It effected her deeply. Whether it was true or not. I understand how it could effect her, even if she doesn't know the truth of it. How could it not effect her? To her, that is a part of her story, and it is something that had an impact on her, that may have colored the way in which she saw LG and the JW, if a part of her believes they were instrumental in Prince doing that. What everyone seems to be overlooking is that this is Mayte's story, not Prince's. This is her side so of course she is going to include those things that impacted her the greatest from those times. And the fact remains, from the UK article, it doesn't say that she doesn't know it is true. So why is everyone assuming that she doesn't have proof of it or that it wasn't eventually confirmed for her? Maybe Prince himself told her that he did it, and gave her a perfectly worded "why" that he did it, so that she didn't blame him or hate him for it.

And how do we know it isn't true? Prince often said "I don't believe in time," "I don't look back," "I don't look at the past." Ahmir is a part of the past, a very painful past. Knowing how Prince was about looking back and how he was about sentimentality, about clinging to things from the past, why is it so astonishing to people to think that Prince would not, could not hang on to something that was such a painful reminder of what he'd lost? JWs believe that once you are dead, you are dead. Nothing of you remains. The body is just an empty shell. I can imagine how it could have played out. "Why are you clinging to something that is just an empty shell? Your son no longer exists in those bones. Keeping them only reminds you of the pain of your loss and hanging on to Mayte's things only remind you of that time too."

As for previous posts by others that were questioning why she didn't have the ashes, she had went to Spain to purchase them a hacienda, that Prince rarely visited. And if Prince had wanted to keep the ashes, do you all honestly believe that Mayte could have gotten them from him? If Prince wanted something, Prince got it. If Prince wanted to keep something, Prince kept it. If he didn't, it was gone. Prince let go of people and things easily if they no longer served the purpose he wanted them to serve. I know that ideology, too, and it is a result of his childhood, because I can do it easily too.

The only thing that should impact on a person is the truth. When she wrote this book she was 43 years old, old enough to decipher fact from fiction, if you dont know the truth then find out. Yes, this is her story but its also about her life with a man she calls the love of her life. Just because somebody says something to you it doesnt mean they are telling the truth, especially something as serious as this. If she wasnt sure she should have done some digging to unearth the truth. You're speculating that Prince may have told her what he did. Prince did not tell her, she clearly states a friend heard it from somebody else. Prince was not above the law. A judge would gave given the mother the childs ashes or divided them, whatever. The truth is she didnt know where the ashes were. The truth is also she doesnt know if Prince burned them or not.

And the truth is, you don't know whether she went to Prince after a friend revealed the story to find out what happened. You also don't know whether she went to Prince to ask for the ashes or not. You are given one excerpt from the book and have decided on what your truth is based upon your understanding of that one part. You don't have the entire story yet to be able to discern the whole truth. You are speculating that she didn't go to Prince afterwards. You are speculating that she didn't ask him for the ashes back.

I didn't know she had MS when I asked that question. And it was a question--snarky one maybe but still just a question.

MMJas said:

purplerabbithole said:

According to her facebook account, a dollar per book of the proceeds will go toward the animal rescue. Where is the rest of the money going to?

Probably to allow her to support her (addopted) daughter, since she does not (contrary to what everyone believed) receive any allowance from Prince and is probably worried that having MS might hinder her capability of working later or, being that she's a belly dancing teacher.

Geez, the attacks I've read so far on this woman make me cringe, I tell ya...