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Reply #270 posted 03/16/17 5:09am

CatB

benni said:



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?


This.

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.

"Time is space spent with U"
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Reply #271 posted 03/16/17 5:14am

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Mayte has the right to tell her side and I support her doing so. Everyone isn't going to support it and that's fine too. Those who don't support her telling her side most certainly don't have to read the book. It's that simple. It's one thing to respectfully disagree, but making judgmental statements regarding Mayte's decision and those who support her or understand her need to tell her story is just a prime example of folks talking loud and saying absolutely nothing. Unfortunately, it's much easier for people to talk a load of BS behind a computer screen that they would never have the balls to say to someone face to face.

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Reply #272 posted 03/16/17 5:16am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.

-/She was on a national TV program talking about Prince and that baby. No one stopped her from speaking.

My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories. People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.

Also...

"Well, it was our life too, pal!" That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject. She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.

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Reply #273 posted 03/16/17 5:17am

KaresB

CatB said:

benni said:
It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?


This.

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.

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Agreed.

Besides, some of the people here should try to imagine what it must've felt for Mayte to be forced by her husband to go on a freakin' TV show and smile and pretend everything's OK right after they've lost their baby. She went through hell for Prince. If anyone has the right to write a book and talk about whatever she wants to, it's her.

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Reply #274 posted 03/16/17 5:31am

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KaresB said:



CatB said:


benni said:

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?


This.

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.




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Agreed.

Besides, some of the people here should try to imagine what it must've felt for Mayte to be forced by her husband to go on a freakin' TV show and smile and pretend everything's OK right after they've lost their baby. She went through hell for Prince. If anyone has the right to write a book and talk about whatever she wants to, it's her.


--By forced do you mean he put a gun to her head?
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Reply #275 posted 03/16/17 5:32am

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laurarichardson said:


Because you have a right to do something does not mean you should. It is called having some class and respect. Also no one gets to tell other people what the speculate about or what to buy. Some of you can live in La La land and make excuses for her because of your own need to know but do not expect the rest of us to do so.

Nobody is expecting you to do anything. You are the one who keeps coming on this thread. Nobody is forcing you to talk about Mayte's book, or to keep posting on this thread, or read a bootleg copy. For something you claim to have no interest in, you keep coming back for more.

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Reply #276 posted 03/16/17 5:33am

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rednblue said:



laurarichardson said:


rednblue said:



That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.



-/She was on a national TV program talking about Prince and that baby. No one stopped her from speaking.


My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories. People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.



Also...



"Well, it was our life too, pal!" That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject. She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.


--But he was not able to limit their albilty to speak because they did and quite frankly Wendy was an employee so whatever was going on in his personal life really was none of her business. He made a hugh mistake as a boss by getting to cozy with his employees.
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Reply #277 posted 03/16/17 5:36am

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I feel for mayte more than you folks realize. I just don't think she was "forced" to do anything. She loved Prince and probably to some extent the lifestyle so went along. Now forcing people to keep his story out of the press doesnt mean they could not have told the entirety of their story to friends and family. Yes I am extremely weary about people running to the press about their lives. An artist exposes themselves but it is in disguise. I just don't understand the need to tell random strangers about your life unless it is to defend yourself and Mayte had nothing to defend.
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Reply #278 posted 03/16/17 5:45am

rednblue

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories. People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.

Also...

"Well, it was our life too, pal!" That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject. She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.

--But he was not able to limit their albilty to speak because they did and quite frankly Wendy was an employee so whatever was going on in his personal life really was none of her business. He made a hugh mistake as a boss by getting to cozy with his employees. [Edited 3/16/17 5:34am] [Edited 3/16/17 5:35am]

She wasn't talking about his personal life outside of her personal life. She was talking about experiences that they shared and were, therefore, "our life too."

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Reply #279 posted 03/16/17 5:53am

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Like I said before, I have mixed feelings, she has the right to tell her story, you can not argue with that, it is her story. I am not sure who she wrote the book with, but I am thinking they were steering her toward a more tabloid style of writing, which in the excerpts does not come off as loving, it comes off like more important than her story is the sale of the book.

Also, I heard mayte herself recorded an audio version of the book. I just can't imagine sitting in an audio both for days and saying all of those words out loud, "I saw the look of horror on his face", even 20 years later I could not get through that.


And lastly, I know they are just excerpts, but nothing that was covered in the articles realesed is beautiful, for me the title "the most beautiful" seems about as wrong as possible
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Reply #280 posted 03/16/17 6:09am

benni

purplerabbithole said:

I feel for mayte more than you folks realize. I just don't think she was "forced" to do anything. She loved Prince and probably to some extent the lifestyle so went along. Now forcing people to keep his story out of the press doesnt mean they could not have told the entirety of their story to friends and family. Yes I am extremely weary about people running to the press about their lives. An artist exposes themselves but it is in disguise. I just don't understand the need to tell random strangers about your life unless it is to defend yourself and Mayte had nothing to defend.


An artist exposes themselves, period. I've written a book about my childhood and some of those that were involved in my childhood are no longer alive. Should I have not written about it? My intention for writing about it was to bring attention to the fact that stuff I went through happens and it's not always obvious that it is occurring. I have nothing to defend. But it is my story, my life, my experiences and the thoughts and feelings of my experiences. If it helps one person who has gone through something similar, then I feel that writing it and going through the pain and heartbreak all over again to put it to paper was worth it. And it was also liberating, to finally speak about something that I had to keep so secret as a child and to the tell the whole world: I matter. My experiences matter. My feelings matter. My thoughts matter. I am someone of value.

But going by what you are saying, what laurarichardson is saying, I should not tell my story because I'm making my money off someone else, even though it is MY story and MY experiences, MY feelings and MY thoughts.

As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person. I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have. Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince). Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved. When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not. You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back. I'm not dissing Prince here. Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling. This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will. And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will.

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her. He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing. And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more. She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her. The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that. I envy you that. Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.


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Reply #281 posted 03/16/17 6:16am

laurarichardso
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rednblue said:



laurarichardson said:


rednblue said:



My point is that Prince was very often fine with limiting people's ability to tell their stories. People on here are pointing out that Prince can no longer tell his side, but if that stopped other people from telling that story, he'd be unlike any other great musician in history.



Also...



"Well, it was our life too, pal!" That's what Wendy Melvoin (Out Magazine, 2009) had to say on the subject. She's someone who went through a lot of ups and downs with Prince, and she clearly loves him deeply.



--But he was not able to limit their albilty to speak because they did and quite frankly Wendy was an employee so whatever was going on in his personal life really was none of her business. He made a hugh mistake as a boss by getting to cozy with his employees. [Edited 3/16/17 5:34am] [Edited 3/16/17 5:35am]


She wasn't talking about his personal life outside of her personal life. She was talking about experiences that they shared and were, therefore, "our life too."


No, she was talking about his relationship with Susanna which was none of her business to discuss with media.
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Reply #282 posted 03/16/17 6:19am

BillieBalloon

benni said:

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.

Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.

Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
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Reply #283 posted 03/16/17 6:24am

laurarichardso
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benni said:



purplerabbithole said:


I feel for mayte more than you folks realize. I just don't think she was "forced" to do anything. She loved Prince and probably to some extent the lifestyle so went along. Now forcing people to keep his story out of the press doesnt mean they could not have told the entirety of their story to friends and family. Yes I am extremely weary about people running to the press about their lives. An artist exposes themselves but it is in disguise. I just don't understand the need to tell random strangers about your life unless it is to defend yourself and Mayte had nothing to defend.


An artist exposes themselves, period. I've written a book about my childhood and some of those that were involved in my childhood are no longer alive. Should I have not written about it? My intention for writing about it was to bring attention to the fact that stuff I went through happens and it's not always obvious that it is occurring. I have nothing to defend. But it is my story, my life, my experiences and the thoughts and feelings of my experiences. If it helps one person who has gone through something similar, then I feel that writing it and going through the pain and heartbreak all over again to put it to paper was worth it. And it was also liberating, to finally speak about something that I had to keep so secret as a child and to the tell the whole world: I matter. My experiences matter. My feelings matter. My thoughts matter. I am someone of value.

But going by what you are saying, what laurarichardson is saying, I should not tell my story because I'm making my money off someone else, even though it is MY story and MY experiences, MY feelings and MY thoughts.

As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person. I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have. Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince). Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved. When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not. You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back. I'm not dissing Prince here. Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling. This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will. And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will.

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her. He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing. And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more. She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her. The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that. I envy you that. Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.



I think he did not want to be around her because he did not want to be married in the first place. You cannot make a man settle down if they do not want to be. He was not ready for marriage when he got with her. I do not buy that he was so controlling that she could not leave as in the bootleg copy excerpts that are floating around she is saying he hynoptized her ( do you have any idea how that makes her look !) I am sorry she married a man who was dating her Nona Gaye and Carmen at the same time. If she could not see what was coming with him from that experience that is on her. I am interested in how some of the people she is dragging in the book are going to feel about her putting their personal business out in the street. Is that so she can heal? Because these people are alive and well and it will be interesting to hear what they have to say.
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Reply #286 posted 03/16/17 6:31am

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CatB said:


This.

Plus, people always want to hear about Prince but they want no one to be the one to tell.

that kind of reminds me of how mike tyson said "i love the act of treason but i hate a traitor" when one of his old circle wrote a book with obvious lies all throughout it. he was quoting some old time politician.

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Reply #287 posted 03/16/17 6:32am

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BillieBalloon said:



benni said:




BillieBalloon said:


benni said: Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?




Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.


Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.




Her being on that show is a figment of our imagination. Her crying on her Facebook page for tickets to see him concert that is a figment of our imagination. If someone treated me bad I would not want to be in a 100 foot radius of that person.
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Reply #288 posted 03/16/17 6:36am

benni

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benni said:



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.

Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.


Read what I said again (bolded). You are projecting on to her what you think she is saying from a small slice of the whole story. I ask you again, in the interviews you've read did you once see her mention the baby's real name?

I'm not acting like it is immaculate conception. I'm well aware that Ahmir was Prince's son, too. And she did not describe the child's birth as a horror show. You may have taken it that way, but I didn't. They were expecting a child to have some form of dwarfism, but the realization that they were dealing with a child with a much more devastating condition than what they were expecting was overwhelming to the both of them.

And pardon me for assuming that you won't be reading the book. Most of those that are upset about Mayte writing this book are saying they won't be reading it, and yet they read the excerpt and have come to this thread to talk about how wrong she is for writing it. I'm not projecting my issues on to you, as I have no issue with her writing her story. Again, most of those that have an issue with her sharing this part of HER life with others are stating they won't be reading it. However, I did assume you were a part of that group. And again, I do apologize for that.

And sharing your losses with the world (generic "you"), is a very personal decision to make. Some choose to not share, others do. I understand the want, the need, to talk about your child, about that experience. You obviously feel differently.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. She's written the book. Those that want to read the book, will. Those that don't, won't. It's as simple as that. My only hang up with all of this is people's needs to paint Mayte in a negative light because she is choosing to share HER story. Hopefully, it will have something of substance to it that will help others going through something so tragic.

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Reply #289 posted 03/16/17 6:36am

wonder505

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least87 said:

I have the book on order and of course plan to read it but there's something about seeing this headline. I can't imagine what Prince would think of it.



He's not here. That's the point. Isn't it better that the people he left behind tell their stories, as long as it's done out of love? They certainly have the right to do so.

If you read the excerpt, it's heart-breaking stuff. Everyone who reads it will feel such sympathy for Prince and Mayte over these events. Most couples probably wouldn't survive it, let alone a famous couple with so many other pressures.

Prince didn't like anyone talking about him. If he walked into a 7-11 and bought a soda and then the person who served him told his friend "Hey, Prince came in today" - Prince wouldn't like it. That's because he built his career from mystery and enigma as well as talent. He's the guy who didn't do interviews when he had the biggest album in the world.

But you can't maintain enigma when you're gone.

If anything, I personally feel like everyone who has a story to tell, should tell it. Because that's all that's left now. It humanises him. It allows us to see him as a multi-dimensional human being.

Mayte was unquestionably one of the most important relationships in Prince's entire life. Nobody is going to deny that. I personally support her telling her story. Other people won't, and that's their prerogative.



Sooooo you do know that if the final edit of this book is the same as what was leaked, you're okay with us talking about Manuela and how she played into this story, cuz it aint pretty? Since we're all about talking about anything now since Prince is gone.

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Reply #290 posted 03/16/17 6:45am

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As for Prince not forcing her to do anything, what you (and laurarichardson) forget is that Prince was a VERY controlling person. I don't know if you've ever lived your time around someone like that, but I have. Yes, you are forced to go along with what they say, especially if they started grooming you while you were young (as in Mayte's case when she first came to Prince). Yes, she loved Prince, but it does not in any form change the fact that Prince was very controlling of those he loved. When you deal with an individual like that, you often give in to them whether you really want to or not. You believe that how you feel about it isn't important enough to warrant fighting back. I'm not dissing Prince here. Even Prince admitted once that he was very controlling. This idea that once she was 18 she was free to make her own decisions is erroneous because around individuals that are very controlling, if you want to keep the peace and be with the one you love, you submit to their will. And even if you don't want to keep the peace and be around them, if you've been conditioned on how to respond and react, you submit to their will.

Prince said in an interview that the reason for seeking an anullment was because that piece of paper made him feel like he had the right to be controlling of her. He saw what he was doing, knew what he was doing. And I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to be around her any more. She was not only a reminder of their son, but a reminder of who he became while married to her. The fact that you and laurarichardson think she was able to make her own decisions and fight against the things she didn't like tells me that you both were blessed to not go through anything like that and therefore cannot imagine anyone submitting to another like that. I envy you that. Unfortunately, I know that submission too well.



Great post again. And he was also a very sweet person. He could control you with that sweetness. Mayte didn't strike me as naive back in the day but she was lured by his charisma too and adapted herself to him and his ideas. He could control in a playful way which made it so successful. But there comes a point when you wake up and realize what's going on. And then you have to deal with it alone. He doesn't go there with you. It's a process and she's doing just that - processing. She's still trying to find answers, like many of us. Writing is the way for many people to gain clarity and if she can provide answers for others in the process, all the better. If it's not for you, ignore and turn to something you need.

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Reply #291 posted 03/16/17 6:52am

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Revealing other peoples secrets isn't right just because the circumstances of your life made you privy to those secrets.

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Reply #292 posted 03/16/17 6:56am

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rednblue said:

She wasn't talking about his personal life outside of her personal life. She was talking about experiences that they shared and were, therefore, "our life too."

No, she was talking about his relationship with Susanna which was none of her business to discuss with media.

Sigh. No. That's not what the quote is about. I hesitated to post a larger quote for better context, but now I'm posting it below. Can you demonstrate how Lisa's quote and the context limit it to Wendy's twin sister? Of course these women mean the world to each other, but to say it's limited to that issue is just SPECULATION.

"Are you hitting a point in your career where things are finally turning around for you?
Lisa: Now its kinda just fun. I actually find myself enjoying my memories more.
Wendy: But well end up getting more calls from Prince because he cant stand when we talk about him.
Lisa: Hes always like, Could you just err on the side of privacy? Well, it was our life too, pal! Whatever. Its okay.
Wendy: Trust me, Barry. He will read this article and we will get a phone call and hell be pissed. Somewhere in this article hell find something to be pissed about."

http://www.out.com/entertainment/2009/04/16/revolution-will-be-harmonized

Please demonstrate that the subject of Lisa's quote and Prince's requests to "err on the side of privacy" are limited to twin sister only, as you are stating.

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Reply #293 posted 03/16/17 7:01am

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wonder505 said:

Sooooo you do know that if the final edit of this book is the same as what was leaked, you're okay with us talking about Manuela and how she played into this story, cuz it aint pretty? Since we're all about talking about anything now since Prince is gone.

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There have been many a thread over Manuela. She is discussed all the time.

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Reply #294 posted 03/16/17 7:10am

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Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.


I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.


It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.


IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.


This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.


Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.


Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.


I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.


You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

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Reply #295 posted 03/16/17 7:16am

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Just scanning a few posts in this thread. Predictably a lot of fans are upset by the honesty of Mayte's account of the birth of their tragic son, and are criticizing it as being told like horror genre (she uses the word "horrified". She described the physicality of his disorder). I think those fans just can't bear to realize that some parts of life, even Mayte's, and even Prince's were as bad as it can get. Even horrific. It's true for anyone. Part of the point of this book is to illuminate that, and for her to finally escape the denial of it (that denial Prince wanted when he was alive). Denial is horrible for psychological health. It's certainly unhealthy for politics, society, and art, and humanity in general. Bad and unpredictable things happen because of denial... in your life too.

If you read the whole book, you might see what she has woven in a different light.

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Reply #296 posted 03/16/17 7:17am

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Years ago, the actress Loretta Young gave birth to a child out-of-wedlock. The little girl's biological father was Clark Gable. Ms. Young, some time later, pretended to adopt the child and then presented her as her daughter thereafter. Her daughter learned who her father was when she was older. I bring this story up because we are beyond the era when such secrets can be kept. There is no way Prince's life would remain secret after his death. Everything is going to come out (except that damn autopsy report). It is not just people wanting to cash in; it is the age we are living in. I have no problem with Mayte writing a book about her life with him.

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Reply #297 posted 03/16/17 7:18am

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This is the main problem I have with a lot of FANS. Many will think this is nothing more than an attempt to make money off PRINCE. Well lets look at for a moment. To most of the public they did not even know PRINCE was married and divorced once let alone twice, I would say about 95% of the world had no clue he was married again. Also MAYTE could have just done a tell all the day they broke up if she wanted too, she is a free person, she has a voicem, but she did not. Prince's death was difficult for fans but guess what, it was more difficult for those around him and working with him or had relationships with. We need to seriously just chill out and look at that for a moment, YES we miss him and want him here, but guess what, they want it more and hurt more, and half just as many questions as we do.

As for why people do this or that or suddenly now go on tour. Well this is there way of healing, getting out there and being with US makes them feel closer to HIM. So I have no issues with her writing this book, or The Revolution doing a full tour, or whomever wants to go out there and do it, i want them to do what they feel they need to do, so bring on Judith Hill and 3Rd Eye Girl and all of them, and just keep doing what they do, keep him PRESENT in the world.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #298 posted 03/16/17 7:19am

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ufoclub said:

Just scanning a few posts in this thread. Predictably a lot of fans are upset by the honesty of Mayte's account of the birth of their tragic son, and are criticizing it as being told like horror genre (she uses the word "horrified". She described the physicality of his disorder). I think those fans just can't bear to realize that some parts of life, even Mayte's, and even Prince's were as bad as it can get. Even horrific. It's true for anyone. Part of the point of this book is to illuminate that, and for her to finally escape the denial of it (that denial Prince wanted when he was alive). Denial is horrible for psychological health. It's certainly unhealthy for politics, society, and art, and humanity in general. Bad and unpredictable things happen because of denial... in your life too.

If you read the whole book, you might see what she has woven in a different light.

I do not think he was in a state of denial. According to interviews she did before he was the one that went and had the child cremated and he was the one that told the doctors to not spare any expense to save the child. I think not telling your personal business to Oprah is called being respectful and acting like an adult.

He greived and tried to move on.

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Reply #299 posted 03/16/17 7:21am

wonder505

PennyPurple said:

wonder505 said:

Sooooo you do know that if the final edit of this book is the same as what was leaked, you're okay with us talking about Manuela and how she played into this story, cuz it aint pretty? Since we're all about talking about anything now since Prince is gone.

[Edited 3/16/17 6:39am]

There have been many a thread over Manuela. She is discussed all the time.

I know, my question directed more at Militant. Since that's his "friend". wink and Mayte made it clear in the copy I saw how it went down.

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