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Who is they? I would hope that Dr. K spoke to Dr. S because no one else would no what they were talking about and remember patients have to give permission to have their medical stituation discussed with another Doctor. In addtion, no one has answered my question about a gravely ill person leaving his premisis and not coming back until 8:00pm. How gravely ill was he? 51/50 is a police code and has nothing to do with medical records or compliance or permission from the person in question. It is a safe guard for these types of situations were loved ones know or highly suspect the person is in danger, most times brought on by themselves. And dr k should have also suggested something along these lines, if in fact he was told about the grave condition. And I also agree with you, what in the hell was the grave condition? It is such a strange description for someone who was out and about at all, it does not match what we know he did in the last week. One would think someone in grave condition would not be able get out of the bed... | |
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Physical detox is necessary prior to entering addiction treatment. I've long suspected the test results were related to this, to establish what was in his system prior to going ahead with the recovery program they were hoping he'd agree to.
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But it was Phaedra that called dr k who sent Andrew...who knew before anyone the pills were going to do this to P. I doubt the intervention story is true but let's say that was going to happen the story above really makes no sense and why call a dr from Cali known for doing more harm than good. If the people involved wanted him to to see a dr why did they pick a known bad one and not one of the best specialists? Not directing the above ? at you just saying a thought... [Edited 2/14/17 9:59am]
Why would they not do those test at the rehab? According to the ME the Fentenyl was in his system within the last 24 hours so the test Dr. S were bringing would have been useless for using to enter him into a rehab. Just the idea that were going to give him Subonxe based on a test from the day before is scary.
Does anyone not see how crazy all of this sounds? You do not need to go back and forth to the doctor to be told you are on drugs. You would have a full battery of test anytime you go in for treatment for rehab or any type of procedure. No one is going to base your treatment off of an old test because they have no idea what you have taken in between time.
I also still say Why did Prince tell the promoter to hold off on annoucing the additional shows because he wanted to speak to his doctor first or tell Andrian Crutchfield the same thing.
Do drug addicts or people going thru withdrawal need to check in with their doctor to be told they are still on drugs or going thru withdrawals? If Prince was so strung out or going thru withdrawals how was he even doing this tour.
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Yes, it is a required step in the process, for a doctor to take tests to see as clearly as possible what exactly (and how much) is in the body just prior to treatment. I don't disagree with you, truly, I obviously have no idea what happened in this case. With respect, this is just something I have some experience with in my family, and that testing is a required step. There is "ambulatory" detox which allows one to stay at home during detox but it's really really difficult, basically unbearable, rarely successful, but you can't make a strong-willed person go anywhere. I don't mean to be argumentative I'm just really sad and thinking about it a lot, especially this week. “Nobody wants to read my Prince think piece” https://medium.com/@mary_beaulieu | |
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Yes, it is a required step in the process, for a doctor to take tests to see as clearly as possible what exactly (and how much) is in the body just prior to treatment. I don't disagree with you, truly, I obviously have no idea what happened in this case. With respect, this is just something I have some experience with in my family, and that testing is a required step. There is "ambulatory" detox which allows one to stay at home during detox but it's really really difficult, basically unbearable, rarely successful, but you can't make a strong-willed person go anywhere. I don't mean to be argumentative I'm just really sad and thinking about it a lot, especially this week. Well if they were doing something ambulatory they were crazy. They would of have no idea what he took that night and could have killed him. The fact that a total of 3 doctors were involved smacks of medical incompetence and of course makes people suspicious of his death. | |
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Just want to chime in that, as both of you probably know, ambulatory can be extremely difficult, even with legally obtained substances, such as alcohol. I'm writing these couple personal-experience-based posts just to add to discussion about Prince and possibilites for family action. Each family faces a unique set of challenges, but the challenges are almost always huge
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paisleypearl said: I think I'm the only one who wants to know what really happened  I would like the truth too... Don't buy for a minute he was an addicted mess. That is what they want everyone to think. Still find it strange someone in his inner circle knew he was going to be given bad pills. | |
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I respect your opinion. I don't know what was happened to Prince. I was commenting on a possibility under discussion.
A bit that's not about Prince, but about love and kindness, things that I think he cared about:
Many people, people that we know nothing about, die of heart disease and addiction. All we know is that they were fellow human beings who were seriously ill with terrible medical conditions. |
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I am interested in learning more about what happened that first week in April when the original Atlanta shows were cancelled. I read that Prince had visted Dr. S. that week as well and then the dates were cancelled for later that week. | |
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I respect your opinion. I don't know what was happened to Prince. I was commenting on a possibility under discussion.
A bit that's not about Prince, but about love and kindness, things that I think he cared about:
Many people, people that we know nothing about, die of heart disease and addiction. All we know is that they were fellow human beings who were seriously ill with terrible medical conditions. Did not mean to offend anyone. I was speaking with Prince in mind and it's hurtful the media has painted an inaccurate picture of Prince using drugs. Something those close to him have stated to be untrue. [Edited 2/15/17 10:27am] | |
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Thank you! I really, really appreciate that. I know very little, and I can see that people who know more, and have more specific suspicions, sometimes have to agree to disagree on what the weight of the evidence suggests.
Even for those who do have an addiction story...each story is, of course, individual. Just one example is how some may not have thought much about addiction when they become ill, while others (as is common with those whose parents suffered addiction) might hate the illness, yet fall into it themselves at some point.
It sounds like you believe that Prince never had an addictive disorder, and I respect that.
It also sounds like both of us are pained when we hear what we believe to be hurtful, unwarrented assumptions about people.
It sounds like we both love the great gifts that Prince left us, and both want the public part of his journey treated honestly, and with repect and care. I know Andre Cymone, who I also respect enormously, was not happy with the way his participation was in the program was handled. Thank you again for your reply. : ) |
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The tests were probably given just to determine his general health because detox is hard on a body. Being addicted to pain pills doesn't mean he was some junkie, just that he was dependent on these drugs, caught in this addiction epidemic. Maybe he thought an out of state doctor would mean less gossip. No one makes perfect decisions every step of their life, and some things have no ominous reason, shit just happens in times of desperation. And none of his employees had legal power over his medical decisions and his family seems to have been distant. Tyka could clear this all up though, this is not fair to the people around him when he died. [Edited 2/15/17 16:37pm] | |
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Problem is what would Tyka know?
She wasn't that close to him. I also want to know about the Trusts that Prince set up for her grandchildren. |
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muleFunk said: Problem is what would Tyka know?
She wasn't that close to him. I also want to know about the Trusts that Prince set up for her grandchildren. I think Tyka would have the complete results of the autopsy where it MIGHT show that his organs had shut down from the drug use. That would at least explain the decline in his appearance. Or if there was a different reason (like cancer) for his decline the autopsy would show it. And Tyka said she knew for over a year that Prince was dying. How did she know that? I don't think a person would make that up. | |
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paisleypearl said: muleFunk said: Problem is what would Tyka know?
She wasn't that close to him. I also want to know about the Trusts that Prince set up for her grandchildren. I think Tyka would have the complete results of the autopsy where it MIGHT show that his organs had shut down from the drug use. That would at least explain the decline in his appearance. Or if there was a different reason (like cancer) for his decline the autopsy would show it. And Tyka said she knew for over a year that Prince was dying. How did she know that? I don't think a person would make that up. --- I do not think she would make it up either. Like I said he had 65k line item for medical expenses on his inventory sheet and KJ told the police he had been in the hospital twice once in 2014 and 2015. | |
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And if she knew he was slipping away from a drug dependency and did nothing to help him she will never admit it, she could never show her face at Paisley Park again. If she did know and tried an intervention or two, then she might be forgiven. This whole thing is making me sick, because I'm starting to believe the former. But maybe that is what the doctor meant by a grave situation, ones organs shutting down might be irreversible. [Edited 2/16/17 3:52am] | |
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You cannot force someone into rehab and I really do not think that was Prince's only problem. I think he was slippy away from something else and dealing with the pain meds at the same time.
Just the fact that someone is saying he had a chiropractor bed in his room makes me think he may have back and neck pain along with joint issues. | |
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Because I have read in the Star Tribune as well as seen it on HLN that the autopsy showed no other contributing conditions, I don't think that P. had additional health issues beyond either an addiction or dependency to paink killers.
A drug issue is enough of a problem in itself to vastly change someone's appearance, etc. It is extremely difficult to attempt to wean yourself from a drug dependency on an out patient basis. Even if a person goes to rehab, there are many who just don't survive. I am stating this from knowing various addiction counselors and a few former addicts. Most of the people I knew who were drug users are deceased.
The link is below to a You Tube video where Dr. Pinksy speaks with a medical examiner concerning the autopsy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEj813Zjzo
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I still think the man was sick from something other than drugs and that is what caused the drop in weight. |
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The report that we saw is the short report. The longer comprehensive report is sealed for 30 years and it would tell us what else was going on with his health. He had a 65k line item on his inventory sheet for medical expenses this would have been for 2016 and we have know record of him being gone for 30 days to be at rehab in 2016. The rest of his medical reports would also show what he was seeing Dr. S for and what sort of test were run. We also know Dr. S wrote RX for non-controlled for substances on April 20th. | |
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He also complained about stomach pain to the Atlanta promoter and told Andrian he did not feel 100% and was going to see his doctor. I still think he had no idea what he was taking. | |
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muleFunk said: How many TV shows have appeared showing the millions of dollars Prince spent in the black community?
Outside of click bait internet sites and 2:00 min on GMA or CNN nothing.
That needs to be told too.  And the many other causes that he supported and contributed to throughout his years.[Edited 2/17/17 3:01am] | |
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For now, I will stand by the opinion he was dealing with drug issues. I am aware that this is just a short report but it still states that there were no contributing conditions.
Regarding the $65,000 expenditure, I will surmise that this is a combination of the following because I have never seen a break down of these medical expenses: E.R. trip in Illinois, outpatient rehab, visits with Dr. S., tests, prescriptions. It doesn't appear from all that I read that P. had health insurance. | |
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Two doses of the Narcan shot cost almost $4000.00, the ambulance service probably cost thousands, the ER is super expensive especially when you don't have an insurance company negotiating prices, the doctors are separate expenses, etc etc. | |
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What Van the Man had to say was kinda interesting, don't you think?
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For now, I will stand by the opinion he was dealing with drug issues. I am aware that this is just a short report but it still states that there were no contributing conditions.
Regarding the $65,000 expenditure, I will surmise that this is a combination of the following because I have never seen a break down of these medical expenses: E.R. trip in Illinois, outpatient rehab, visits with Dr. S., tests, prescriptions. It doesn't appear from all that I read that P. had health insurance. That is your opinion and you are entitled to have it however, that short report is only saying no other contributing causes to his death because whatever else was bothering him did not directly contribute to his death and that is the only the ME is concerned about. I had a relative who had a heart attack while under going additional test in the hospital they discovered pancreatic cancer which caused the heart attack however the caused of death was listed as heart attack not the cancer. I also spent a month in the hospital years ago with surgery, Rxs, test, treatments and lodging my total bill was about 65k. If you double his bill just for the sake of inflation it would reach 120k. I do not think an emergency room visit, ambulance ride and Doctor appointments would reach 65k. Remember when John Blackwell was sick in Japan the go fund me account needed 40k to get him on an air ambulance back to America. Remember Prince paid Clyde Subblefield hospital bill for cancer surgery that was 80k. Sorry the numbers do not add up. I also having had my own experience with taking too many percocets don't see Prince getting thought the Piano and Mike shows and I don't see him telling people he was going back to see his doctor to find out about his health before announcing more shows if he knew the problem was just drugs or withdrawals you are talking about his money being interrupted. I also love how people discount joint pain and the pain mgnt as an illness and discount what people say that worked with on a daily basis. [Edited 2/17/17 7:02am] [Edited 2/17/17 7:04am] | |
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The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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paisleypearl said: Two doses of the Narcan shot cost almost $4000.00, the ambulance service probably cost thousands, the ER is super expensive especially when you don't have an insurance company negotiating prices, the doctors are separate expenses, etc etc.
Just saw and paid s bill for an ambulance ride to an emergency room it is not going to be any more $500.00 to $1,000.00 and for a rural area it would be even less. Also remember before the search warrant was sealed KJ said Prince had been the hospital before for treatment in 2014 - 2015. [Edited 2/17/17 7:34am] | |
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laurarichardson said: paisleypearl said: Two doses of the Narcan shot cost almost $4000.00, the ambulance service probably cost thousands, the ER is super expensive especially when you don't have an insurance company negotiating prices, the doctors are separate expenses, etc etc. Just saw and paid s bill for an ambulance ride to an emergency room it is not going to be any more $500.00 to $1,000.00 and for a rural area it would be even less. Also remember before the search warrant was sealed KJ said Prince had been the hospital before for treatment in 2014 - 2015. [Edited 2/17/17 7:34am] The ambulance to an airport to an airplane out on the tarmac then to a hospital might be a little out of the ordinary don't ya think? And if I wanted to talk about what KJ said I'd bring it up so lay off, your agenda is getting real tired. | |
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