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Reply #90 posted 02/10/17 7:30pm

Leopard52

I watched and it was sad. I could feel the love from Andre and Van. They both said some really nice things. They have no reason to regret what they said. I feel all the people on there really loved him and are devastated especially the guys from his early years. I didn't really here much new info other than one of the guys said he didn't believe the story being told. It wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. But now I'm really bummed all over again.
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Reply #91 posted 02/10/17 7:59pm

206Michelle

One of the women interviewed, Alisyn Camerota, said something to the effect of "many believe it [death of his son] was something he never got over."

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Hearing that made me really sad. I think that one of the saddest aspects of his death for me, besides him not being here, is that for all of his success as a musician, his dream of being a father was so short-lived and so painful. It makes me want to cry. There is nothing more painful than losing one's only child.

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Sometimes I wonder how much of the happiness that Prince exhibited outwardly matched how he felt on the inside. Did his happiness in making music mask some deeper unhappiness/sadness/pain?

[Edited 2/10/17 20:14pm]

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Reply #92 posted 02/10/17 8:00pm

206Michelle

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

I'm watching this and it's pretty obvious that he didn't have the flu; he had something more serious. It's also clear that he wasn't very enthusiastic about receiving medical care, even if that care was necessary.

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One of the consequences of having the freedom to make decisions is that a person may not always act in his/her best interest, and at times may make decisions that undermine self-preservation. Unfortunately, these decisions have consequences for the person who is ill, as well as those who love the person who is ill. In some cases, the consequence is death.

--Maybe he was not enthusiastic about receiving care because nothing could be done.

Very true, Laura. I didn't even think of that.

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Reply #93 posted 02/10/17 8:05pm

laytonian

PennyPurple said:



rogifan said:


I'm not watching this. What is it based on and how truthful is it? If it's just Dr. Drew guessing I have no time for that.

Pretty truthful. Nothing we didn't already know. Did raise a few questions. Can kinda see now that he wasn't well. His cousin said he and his family was surprised to see how much (little) Prince weighed when he died.


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P got thin during/after the Purple Rain era (22-1/2" waist in the cloud suit).
It made him seem lankier, thus taller.
I believe he was thinnest in the early 90s. Look at some of those photos with Mayte.

The Ronin Ro book describes him when young as "the frail singer".

Another article described him as "wouldn't weigh 120 soaking wet and carrying a brick".

There are unretouched, fairly recent paparazzi photos (in a limo, dressed in black). He looks good. Small but good.
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Reply #94 posted 02/10/17 8:07pm

laytonian

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:



For the people that think he was terminally I'll, how do you explain no prescription for pain meds? No matter what ends up killing you, it is painful, and doctors are happy to help people die as comfortabley as possible.

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^^^^^ THIS. ABSOLUTELY.
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Reply #95 posted 02/10/17 8:13pm

laytonian

206Michelle said:

One of the women interviewed, Alisyn Camerota, said something to the effect of "many believe it [death of his son] was something he never got over."


yeahthat There is nothing more painful than losing one's only child.


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Yes. Plus, there was the pain of seeing a deformed child undergoing surgery for breathing tubes, eyelid, a colostomy (due to bowel issues) and being told the child would be mentally deficient. The decision to not torture the infant any further had to be shattering.

He had already built the playground and playroom.
(Sigh)
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Reply #96 posted 02/10/17 8:19pm

206Michelle

laytonian said:

206Michelle said:

One of the women interviewed, Alisyn Camerota, said something to the effect of "many believe it [death of his son] was something he never got over."

yeahthat There is nothing more painful than losing one's only child.

. Yes. Plus, there was the pain of seeing a deformed child undergoing surgery for breathing tubes, eyelid, a colostomy (due to bowel issues) and being told the child would be mentally deficient. The decision to not torture the infant any further had to be shattering. He had already built the playground and playroom. (Sigh) .

Laytonian, I totally agree. I am a special education teacher who teaches children who have autism. I see how difficult it can be for the parents to cope with a child's disability, especially when the child is lower functioning. Prince and Mayte, unfortunately, experienced the worst ramification of having a child with a disability--the child dying due to complications of the disability. bheart bheart bheart

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Reply #97 posted 02/10/17 8:32pm

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laytonian said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:



For the people that think he was terminally I'll, how do you explain no prescription for pain meds? No matter what ends up killing you, it is painful, and doctors are happy to help people die as comfortabley as possible.

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^^^^^ THIS. ABSOLUTELY.

-/If he had organ damage which can happen from long term use of pain pills know doctor would have given him pain Rxs. You do not need to go back and forth to a doctor to be told you are on drugs. You don't need to wait for medical test to come to you to be told you are a drug addict. Why would a drug addict have 65k in medical expenses? Would a person abusing drugs be able to do a piano and Mike tour because no one who encountered Prince on that tour has describe him as high.
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Reply #98 posted 02/10/17 8:44pm

anangellooksdo
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I am happy to finally be here and see what you all thought about the show. I have mixed feelings about it.
I feel Andre and Van were the saving grace of it, even though they it seems they did edit to highlight one thing Andre said (about how Prince wasn't exactly fair about some music when they sort of went their seoetare ways for a time). But I also think that's okay, because he was honest and it's not as though we don't know Prince did things like that sometimes in the earlier years. He came across as a good friend who cared about Prince, which we fans knew already.

The cousin seems a bit on the conspiracy belief side and upset that p was alone on April 20.

The one thing I didn't like was when said that prince would "use you up".

I laughed when the journalist (I think it was) said that Prince slept with thousands of women. I don't think it was that many.

Van is such a sensitive guy. I love him for that. He can always shed new and interesting light on things, like when he said that Prince really, really cared about all these women. And that [his obvious pursuit of them] was almost embarrassing to the point that Van said it was like, at least be cool about it 😎
Oh, Prince. You were so endearing. And truly one of a kind. 💜 Love you.
All in all I was very sad at the end, when I heard and saw his friends' sadness.
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Reply #99 posted 02/10/17 8:46pm

indyangel66

I know that they both were in denial when they were O.W When u lose a child no matter what age you want to blame everyone even yourself.And without support from family it's hard He had no one to cry to' Just wrapped himself in his work. So o o very heartbreaking. .

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Reply #100 posted 02/10/17 8:49pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMB
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laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:


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^^^^^ THIS. ABSOLUTELY.

-/If he had organ damage which can happen from long term use of pain pills know doctor would have given him pain Rxs. You do not need to go back and forth to a doctor to be told you are on drugs. You don't need to wait for medical test to come to you to be told you are a drug addict. Why would a drug addict have 65k in medical expenses? Would a person abusing drugs be able to do a piano and Mike tour because no one who encountered Prince on that tour has describe him as high.



so you think people that are sick enough to have no treatment available, dying in fact, are denied pain medication because pain meds may have caused their problem? So those people get no prescription? interestingly fentynl is most commonly prescribed for terminally ill patients. 65k in medical expenses can easily be a trip to the Er, if he did not have health insurance. If he did have health insurance that 65k after insurance payout would be a deep six figure long term hospital stay, which I think would have been very very hard to keep secret.
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Reply #101 posted 02/10/17 8:51pm

indyangel66

I hope he had the playroom removed. Too many memories and pain.

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Reply #102 posted 02/10/17 8:52pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMB
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:


-/If he had organ damage which can happen from long term use of pain pills know doctor would have given him pain Rxs. You do not need to go back and forth to a doctor to be told you are on drugs. You don't need to wait for medical test to come to you to be told you are a drug addict. Why would a drug addict have 65k in medical expenses? Would a person abusing drugs be able to do a piano and Mike tour because no one who encountered Prince on that tour has describe him as high.



so you think people that are sick enough to have no treatment available, dying in fact, are denied pain medication because pain meds may have caused their problem? So those people get no prescription? interestingly fentynl is most commonly prescribed for terminally ill patients. 65k in medical expenses can easily be a trip to the Er, if he did not have health insurance. If he did have health insurance that 65k after insurance payout would be a deep six figure long term
hospital stay, which I think would have been very very hard to keep secret.


And I don't think he was a drug addiction either, none of it adds up for me
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Reply #103 posted 02/10/17 8:56pm

SBartist

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Not able to access this channel where I live.

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Reply #104 posted 02/10/17 9:02pm

MsNancy

luvgirl said:

Ingela said:

Prety empty. Just a tease. Nothing really said. Just filling air time. Anything for a buck when it comes to "news"


Yes, it was empty. Things we already know. That's why I just made the decision to just try to enjoy the clips of him. I focused on his pics and the stories I already knew and tuned out the rest. I was desperate just to see his face on t.v.. Pretty pathetic but there you have it...
[Edited 2/10/17 19:28pm]


I am sorry to say I watched it and agree with you. Totally empty. Did not do Prince justice at all. He was a brilliant musician. I didn't need snippets of tabloidish type TV about his life from a few people who lost touch with him. The people who were most loyal to him don't really talk about him anyway. Memories are sacred and if shared are doing in a loving way. I would have rather watched the evolution of a brilliant artist who transformed constantly and evolved in his life musically and spiritually then something entitled "Prince the End". Totally not fitting for all that he gave to us for decades. Prince deserved better than this.
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Reply #105 posted 02/10/17 9:17pm

tmo1965

This "documentary" was really not all that. We've heard all of this info before. The part that I really did NOT like was when they mentioned that Duane's and Lorna's attorney said that Duane and Lorna told him that Prince had a cocaine problem. HLN did mention that Prince was estranged from Lorna before her death and that they both (Duane and Lorna) are deceased now. This information is highly suspect and should not have been mentioned. Prince's true fans know the story behind these 2 siblings of Prince, but the general public does not and may take what was presented in this "documentary" as gospel.

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Reply #106 posted 02/10/17 9:21pm

tmo1965

SBartist said:

Not able to access this channel where I live.

You didn't miss much.

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Reply #107 posted 02/10/17 9:21pm

paisleypearl

If we knew the absolute truth about his cause of death this garbage tv show would not be possible. The only way to end the gossipy speculation is with the truth.
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Reply #108 posted 02/10/17 9:40pm

paisleypearl

tmo1965 said:

This "documentary" was really not all that. We've heard all of this info before. The part that I really did NOT like was when they mentioned that Duane's and Lorna's attorney said that Duane and Lorna told him that Prince had a cocaine problem. HLN did mention that Prince was estranged from Lorna before her death and that they both (Duane and Lorna) are deceased now. This information is highly suspect and should not have been mentioned. Prince's true fans know the story behind these 2 siblings of Prince, but the general public does not and may take what was presented in this "documentary" as gospel.


I heard Percocet mentioned in this program, not cocaine.
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Reply #109 posted 02/10/17 9:47pm

PennyPurple

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indyangel66 said:

I know that they both were in denial when they were O.W When u lose a child no matter what age you want to blame everyone even yourself.And without support from family it's hard He had no one to cry to' Just wrapped himself in his work. So o o very heartbreaking. .

He had his wife who he could've turned to. We know she needed him at the time....but like you said, he just wrapped himself up in his work.

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Reply #110 posted 02/10/17 9:50pm

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paisleypearl said:

tmo1965 said:

This "documentary" was really not all that. We've heard all of this info before. The part that I really did NOT like was when they mentioned that Duane's and Lorna's attorney said that Duane and Lorna told him that Prince had a cocaine problem. HLN did mention that Prince was estranged from Lorna before her death and that they both (Duane and Lorna) are deceased now. This information is highly suspect and should not have been mentioned. Prince's true fans know the story behind these 2 siblings of Prince, but the general public does not and may take what was presented in this "documentary" as gospel.

I heard Percocet mentioned in this program, not cocaine.

Yeah, I didn't hear cocaine, they said Percocet.

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Reply #111 posted 02/10/17 11:08pm

FlyOnTheWall

Was it really necessary to highlight that awful show with a sticky on the org? whofarted disbelief

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Reply #112 posted 02/11/17 1:28am

haleno1

laurarichardson said:

tish9311 said:



precioux said:


I don't mean for this to come off as morbid by any means...what I wish would air is an "autopsy" show. Hear me out... There is one currently that is backed by a world renowned foernsic pathologist. He has done shows on people like Robin Williams, Marilyn Monroe, etc. He takes the autopsy report, breaks it down and gives his take on what, in his professional opion really went down. He has even debunked some autopsy findings on people such as Natalie Wood. I KNOW we'll probably never see the light of day on the full autopsy report, but if that ever occured something like this would put to rest alot of speculation, being that he delves into even if there were any underlying causes as well that may not have been the final cause of death, but nonetheless were a contributing factor (i.e. Steve McQueen...he was found to not have died of lung cancer by smoking, but rather by asbestos exposure and ultimately died of a possible blood clot after surgery for removing a cancerous tumor). Not trying to take this thread off topic, just saying a world renowned professional forensic pathologist voicing his opinion would possibly sooth some of our need for closure)



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Don't worry, REELZ has an autopsy show and when Prince's whole autopsy is available(if that's possible) REELZ will let you know. I have watched it on other artist (Micheal, Whitney, etc.) and it gives a glimpse into what happened. I found Whitney Houston's interesting because she didn't just die of a drug overdose, it was several things and there were a lot of rumors going around that the show shut down, IMO.


Well they died in LA so the information is public information. We are not going to see Prince on this program unless his family open it to the public and that seems unlikely.



Well I can tell you all now that very show is currently putting together a Prince edition. They contacted me with regard to participating along with Cat. Made it more than clear what we think about that.
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Reply #113 posted 02/11/17 2:42am

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paisleypearl said:

I hope Andre and his family aren't devastated over his decision to speak. Nothing is going to hurt Prince now and folks with half a brain will be watching this program with a grain of salt so to speak. It is painful to see he feels the need to apologize when it is his and others who knew Prince participation in this program that will perhaps give it any humanity at all.

No one will ever please all the orgers though, the talkers get dragged, the non talkers get dragged, people get called liars before they've even said anything, Judith tells the truth then gets slammed for not acting as his mother or being a good enough woman to save him from himself. We want answers but only the answers we deem appropriate, the rest should be kept private, so and so can write a book, but others cannot, we want his music to sell but don't talk about the man while you're selling it. No wonder Andre is worried, some crazies out here.


THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!
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Reply #114 posted 02/11/17 7:15am

laurarichardso
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haleno1 said:

laurarichardson said:


Well they died in LA so the information is public information. We are not going to see Prince on this program unless his family open it to the public and that seems unlikely.



Well I can tell you all now that very show is currently putting together a Prince edition. They contacted me with regard to participating along with Cat. Made it more than clear what we think about that.

--Interesting because they are not going to have a copy of the long report.
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Reply #115 posted 02/11/17 8:02am

TurnItUp

I saw the special last night and I didn't see anything wrong with it and I loved him as much as you did. Whether you cared how he died or not, fans are gonna see these kind of shows like this because the media always hated they couldn't take Prince down like they did Michael Jackson.

When Michael died, his fans had to go through the same tragedy, now it's our turn with Prince. It's sad, but this program does nothing to his platinum legacy. MJ fans still have to deal with all these specials like the one that was on last weekend on Reelz about his allegations with child molestion and his tarnished legacy. We don't have that with Prince other than his tragic end. Prince could've went through the same scandal that Bill Cosby has recently gone through. If you don't like these kind of shows then don't watch, but when I watched the program last night other than his tragedy, the really didn't say anything about him that we didn't already know. Because of his passing and his overdose of Fentanyl, you gonna see and hear things you don't want to see, but it doesn't change the fact that he will ALWAYS be an icon/legend/and most importantly the GOAT. We still love him and we always will.

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Reply #116 posted 02/11/17 8:09am

TurnItUp

anangellooksdown said:

I am happy to finally be here and see what you all thought about the show. I have mixed feelings about it. I feel Andre and Van were the saving grace of it, even though they it seems they did edit to highlight one thing Andre said (about how Prince wasn't exactly fair about some music when they sort of went their seoetare ways for a time). But I also think that's okay, because he was honest and it's not as though we don't know Prince did things like that sometimes in the earlier years. He came across as a good friend who cared about Prince, which we fans knew already. The cousin seems a bit on the conspiracy belief side and upset that p was alone on April 20. The one thing I didn't like was when said that prince would "use you up". I laughed when the journalist (I think it was) said that Prince slept with thousands of women. I don't think it was that many. Van is such a sensitive guy. I love him for that. He can always shed new and interesting light on things, like when he said that Prince really, really cared about all these women. And that [his obvious pursuit of them] was almost embarrassing to the point that Van said it was like, at least be cool about it 😎 Oh, Prince. You were so endearing. And truly one of a kind. 💜 Love you. All in all I was very sad at the end, when I heard and saw his friends' sadness.

The one thing I didn't like was when said that prince would "use you up".

Uh he did. Now everybody wants to act like Prince was angel. Back in his younger days, HE DID! That's part of how got to be Prince. Beyonce, ( thanks to MATTHEW!) did the same thing when she was younger too, it's when she got rid of Matthew as her manager and Bey got older and wiser that she became more humble like Prince did. Quit trying to act like this isn't the same man that in the 80's, up until the battle with his record company with "slave" on his face, didn't want to be all the way black if he wanted to be at all.

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Reply #117 posted 02/11/17 8:16am

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TurnItUp said:

anangellooksdown said:

I am happy to finally be here and see what you all thought about the show. I have mixed feelings about it. I feel Andre and Van were the saving grace of it, even though they it seems they did edit to highlight one thing Andre said (about how Prince wasn't exactly fair about some music when they sort of went their seoetare ways for a time). But I also think that's okay, because he was honest and it's not as though we don't know Prince did things like that sometimes in the earlier years. He came across as a good friend who cared about Prince, which we fans knew already. The cousin seems a bit on the conspiracy belief side and upset that p was alone on April 20. The one thing I didn't like was when said that prince would "use you up". I laughed when the journalist (I think it was) said that Prince slept with thousands of women. I don't think it was that many. Van is such a sensitive guy. I love him for that. He can always shed new and interesting light on things, like when he said that Prince really, really cared about all these women. And that [his obvious pursuit of them] was almost embarrassing to the point that Van said it was like, at least be cool about it 😎 Oh, Prince. You were so endearing. And truly one of a kind. 💜 Love you. All in all I was very sad at the end, when I heard and saw his friends' sadness.

The one thing I didn't like was when said that prince would "use you up".

Uh he did. Now everybody wants to act like Prince was angel. Back in his younger days, HE DID! That's part of how got to be Prince. Beyonce, ( thanks to MATTHEW!) did the same thing when she was younger too, it's when she got rid of Matthew as her manager and Bey got older and wiser that she became more humble like Prince did. Quit trying to act like this isn't the same man that in the 80's, up until the battle with his record company with "slave" on his face, didn't want to be all the way black if he wanted to be blackat all. Stop trying to cut out his flaws. He had them like everybody else.

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Reply #118 posted 02/11/17 8:42am

laytonian

paisleypearl said:

If we knew the absolute truth about his cause of death this garbage tv show would not be possible. The only way to end the gossipy speculation is with the truth.

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We do know the cause of death: fentanyl.

No other blocks were checked off on that form as contributing.

What we do not know is the source of the drugs.
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Reply #119 posted 02/11/17 8:48am

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Just curious why the mods felt this needed to be a sticky. 😔
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