oliviacamron said:

Post #4 of the thread titled" Help, looking for video of Prince talking about George Michael " has something interesting. So George Michael had problems with his record label, back in the '90s, and referred to it as slavery, and Prince speaks out on his behalf. Now George is dead too. Oh yeah, and Prince's old club manager from the 90's, died from fentanyl. Someone said n FB that Prince was going to reveal some things record labels did back in the 90's. I wonder if thats true

The only 2 things that come to mind that Prince did about GM:

https://www.facebook.com/PrinceMuseum/videos/1010122732426904/

http://crackmagazine.net/2016/12/cant-wants-prince-george-michael-1994/

disch said:

Happen to come across this article which indicated that in April, ABC News did indeed file a state FOIA request about the Moline emergency, which resulting in the info we know (time of the incident, etc.). So it looks like everything they're legally permitted to release about that is already out:
http://abc7chicago.com/en...g/1309783/

laurarichardson said:

I don't get it either. A simple FOIA request from Moline would get the ball rolling.

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So what is up with the Media? Why isn't anyone asking questions or doing a follow-up? What about the people close to P? Aren't they crushed enough that they would want the truth? We all know the good and the bad media can do, right? Yet ths is so strange that not one reporter is investigating this?

cryingdoves said:

Dibblekins said:

zenarose said:

Dibblekins said:

Oh I see - forgive me - you were asking a rhetorical question...Yes, I suppose dialysis is a possibility; I also wondered about liver damage - cirrhosis can require intravenous medication too. Liver damage might also explain his wanting to get hold of pain medicatios 'off the record'; any medic worth his / her salt would not be prescribing quite a number of commonly used meds if liver disease is present.

Yes, I believe it was discussed before any type of organ damage would have stopped any doctor from giving him pain pills. Since there was a lot of back and forth about the medical expenses on the inventory report. I looked up the medical expenses that can be deducted (not that I think his estate will get a deduction) If he had to fly to see a specialist outside of his area it would be considered a medical expense a plane sitting on the runway is not a medical expense.

Deductible Expenses

Here’s a partial list of deductible expenses:

• Equipment and supplies – You may deduct any expenses relating to back supports, crutches, and wheelchairs, to name a few items. Artificial limbs and eyes may be deducted. If you have impaired hearing, you may deduct hearing aids. Buying a wig may be deductible if it’s advised by a doctor for a patient’s mental health.
• Dental services – Dental x-rays are considered preventive health measures and can be deducted. Other preventive health measures such as teeth cleanings, pulling teeth and applying crowns are deductible. More serious dental services like braces, oral surgery, and even dentures are deductible.
• Professional services – Professional services covers the costs of specialists such as dermatologists, neurologists and OB/GYNs. Chiropractors also qualify, as do licensed psychologists and psychiatrists.
• Medical treatments and laboratory tests – Childbirth and prenatal medical treatments are deductible, including childbirth classes. Lab tests, such as blood and metabolism tests and urine analysis, are deductible.
• Nursing services – Nursing services are deductible but can be a bit tricky. You may deduct any nursing services you’re not reimbursed for, and the service doesn’t have to be provided by a licensed nurse. If you hire someone who performs nursing services – licensed or not – you may deduct those wages as a medical expense.
• Hospital services – Besides general hospital services, including meals if you’re receiving inpatient care, you can deduct other services. You can deduct any service by an anesthetist or any fees for using the operating room.
• Insurance premiums – If you pay for your own insurance, you’re eligible to deduct any premiums you pay. You can also deduct any premiums for Medicare A – if Social Security doesn’t pay for it – and Medicare Part B and D.
• Home renovation – If you renovate your home because of a medical condition or disease, you may be eligible to deduct construction, installation or maintenance costs. See Home Renovations as Medical Expense.
  
• Travel and lodging – Mileage for traveling to see a doctor or specialist is deductible. You may also deduct airfare if required to see a doctor outside of your area. If you attend a medical conference for a condition that you or a dependent has, you may be eligible to deduct any registration fees for the conference. Staying at a hotel or motel while receiving outpatient medical treatment is deductible if the primary reason for the visit is for medical care. The deduction is $50 per night per person.

precioux said:

oliviacamron said:

paradise000 said:

oliviacamron said:

I think Prince was trying to avoid tan lines.

I thought he looked thin and maybe because of that, he was just cold. Or who knows he could be taking medication that make you extra sensitive for sun and heat, so he had to be fully covered. [Edited 1/12/17 3:21am]

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paradise000 said:

oliviacamron said:

I think Prince was trying to avoid tan lines.

I thought he looked thin and maybe because of that, he was just cold. Or who knows he could be taking medication that make you extra sensitive for sun and heat, so he had to be fully covered. [Edited 1/12/17 3:21am]

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Call from control tower to plane takes about 3:04 minutes. We do not know how long from the distress call to the landing but let’s say it was 5 minutes. 1:13 am.

Plane landed at 1:17am

Emt arrived seven minutes later 1:24am

Prince is brought down off plane. Maybe a minute or two. 1:26am

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Most people cannot be unresponsive i.e. not breathing for more than 4-6 minutes per the article below.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/11/long-persons-heart-stopped-wouldnt-try-revive/

“If not, you typically don’t. For this, a general rule of thumb is that brain cells begin to die after approximately 4-6 minutes of no blood-flow. After around 10 minutes, those cells will cease functioning, and be effectively dead.”

I have read about people being brought back after 20 minutes from hypertheomia. I am still thinking that if he was given Narcan it was only because they had no idea what was wrong with him and could only go on what Judith Hill or Kirk knew. I am thinking he may have been having a seizure and not an overdose. Not that sezuies cannot be trigged by drugs because they can.

Anyway I also found the article below from a Moline paper that had the hospital stating that Prince was never in their hospital at all. I know HIPPA does not allow hospitals to give out info but I found that to be a bit extreme unless he went in under a assumed name.

http://www.qconline.com/news/local/local-hospitals-moline-quiet-on-prince-information-requests/article_3d4dc53f-1e5c-56ea-9e50-2cbfece6d30e.html

MOLINE -- The celebrity news website TMZ.com has reported that Prince was treated in the Quad-Cities for a drug overdose six days before he died, but local hospitals will not confirm whether the musician was even seen.

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Citing unnamed sources, TMZ.com reported that, after Prince's private jet made an emergency landing April 15 at the Quad City International Airport after a performance in Atlanta, he was "rushed to a hospital and doctors gave him a 'save shot,'" which the site says is "typically administered to counteract the effects of an opiate."

According to TMZ.com, "doctors advised Prince to stay in the hospital for 24 hours. His people demanded a private room, and when they were told that wasn't possible," he and his group decided to leave, and he was released.

Genesis Health System senior communications specialist Craig Cooper diverted inquiries to UnityPoint Health-Trinity, whose senior marketing and communications specialist Erin Platt said "UnityPoint Health – Trinity had no patient by that name in our directory."

The Associated Press has reported that Quad City International Airport public safety manager Jeff Patterson said a private Falcon 900 plane made a "medical diversion landing" at 1:17 a.m. on April 15. He said the plane requested an ambulance at the airport and that a patient was taken to the hospital.

He declined to name the patient or the plane's owner, or provide the plane's tail number.

In a Friday afternoon email, Moline officials noted the city has received "an onslaught of media requests regarding Prince."

"All inquiries have been directed to submit a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act request) which will be handled accordingly," the email said. It also directed all media inquiries to Susana

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cryingdoves said:

paradise000 said:

oliviacamron said: I thought he looked thin and maybe because of that, he was just cold. Or who knows he could be taking medication that make you extra sensitive for sun and heat, so he had to be fully covered. [Edited 1/12/17 3:21am]

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I know! I will be GLUED to the Estate thread today and tomorrow!

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Trying to go thru the timeline, I was reading an article on cnn:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/health/prince-last-days/

His quote about by Jon Bream about his new guitar is interesting:

"I have to leave it in the case, or I'll be tempted to play it," Prince told the crowd of a new guitar, according to Bream. "I can't play the guitar at all these days, so I can keep my mind on this (the solo piano) and get better."

Also, in the same article, there is more information on the save your prayers quote:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

It was mentioned on here a while back, on one of the now closed threads ...that Prince faked the incident on the plane because he thought someone or something was not right...a lot of unanswered questions still remain from that night until the 21st.

If I am not mistaken, the EMT was there waiting on the plane to land ....so the mins added for them to arrive would not apply.

Plane landed at 1:17am

Emt arrived seven minutes later 1:24am

Prince is brought down off plane. Maybe a minute or two. 1:26am

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Most people cannot be unresponsive i.e. not breathing for more than 4-6 minutes per the article below

Yes but if you go from 1:17 to 1:26 that is still 9 minutes and we do not know when he became unconsicious on the plane so you still have to add more minutes to the 9 we can confim. That is a long time to be unresponsive if breathing was stopped but what if he was just unconsious from a seziure.

I also found something on Lipstick alley about Judith Hill. Apparently, she had a rather nasty e-mail exchange with a fan about talking to the NYTimes and she explains that the reporter kind of tricked her into discussing the incident since the interview was suppose to discuss her music but the reporter already knew she was on that plane.

Who in the Prince camp was running their mouth to tell the reporter she was on the plane?

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

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I am have been going over the timeline from the time the call went out to the control tower to land to the time that the plane landed and the EMTs arrived. I clocked this all at 13 to 15minutes and I added a few minutes because we do not know how long it took to get Prince off the plane or how long it took the plane to land. See below.

Call from control tower to plane takes about 3:04 minutes. We do not know how long from the distress call to the landing but let’s say it was 5 minutes. 1:13 am.

Plane landed at 1:17am

Emt arrived seven minutes later 1:24am

Prince is brought down off plane. Maybe a minute or two. 1:26am

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Most people cannot be unresponsive i.e. not breathing for more than 4-6 minutes per the article below.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/11/long-persons-heart-stopped-wouldnt-try-revive/

“If not, you typically don’t. For this, a general rule of thumb is that brain cells begin to die after approximately 4-6 minutes of no blood-flow. After around 10 minutes, those cells will cease functioning, and be effectively dead.”

I have read about people being brought back after 20 minutes from hypertheomia. I am still thinking that if he was given Narcan it was only because they had no idea what was wrong with him and could only go on what Judith Hill or Kirk knew. I am thinking he may have been having a seizure and not an overdose. Not that sezuies cannot be trigged by drugs because they can.

Anyway I also found the article below from a Moline paper that had the hospital stating that Prince was never in their hospital at all. I know HIPPA does not allow hospitals to give out info but I found that to be a bit extreme unless he went in under a assumed name.

http://www.qconline.com/news/local/local-hospitals-moline-quiet-on-prince-information-requests/article_3d4dc53f-1e5c-56ea-9e50-2cbfece6d30e.html

MOLINE -- The celebrity news website TMZ.com has reported that Prince was treated in the Quad-Cities for a drug overdose six days before he died, but local hospitals will not confirm whether the musician was even seen.

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Citing unnamed sources, TMZ.com reported that, after Prince's private jet made an emergency landing April 15 at the Quad City International Airport after a performance in Atlanta, he was "rushed to a hospital and doctors gave him a 'save shot,'" which the site says is "typically administered to counteract the effects of an opiate."

According to TMZ.com, "doctors advised Prince to stay in the hospital for 24 hours. His people demanded a private room, and when they were told that wasn't possible," he and his group decided to leave, and he was released.

Genesis Health System senior communications specialist Craig Cooper diverted inquiries to UnityPoint Health-Trinity, whose senior marketing and communications specialist Erin Platt said "UnityPoint Health – Trinity had no patient by that name in our directory."

The Associated Press has reported that Quad City International Airport public safety manager Jeff Patterson said a private Falcon 900 plane made a "medical diversion landing" at 1:17 a.m. on April 15. He said the plane requested an ambulance at the airport and that a patient was taken to the hospital.

He declined to name the patient or the plane's owner, or provide the plane's tail number.

In a Friday afternoon email, Moline officials noted the city has received "an onslaught of media requests regarding Prince."

"All inquiries have been directed to submit a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act request) which will be handled accordingly," the email said. It also directed all media inquiries to Susana

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It was mentioned on here a while back, on one of the now closed threads ...that Prince faked the incident on the plane because he thought someone or something was not right...a lot of unanswered questions still remain from that night until the 21st.

You think he would scare the crap out of Judith and Kirk by doing that instead of just saying I do not feel well we need to land. The promoter in Atlanta said he told her his stomach was hurting and he was going to go back home and see his doctor. The promoter said she looked right in face and he looked fine. Then Judith said they were eating on the plane and that he stopped speaking mid-sentence his eyes became fixed and he nodded off. According to Dr. Drew that is not what an opiad overdoes is like.

I didn't know about Judith's exchange with the fan, but I had read that it was common knowledge (where - it wasn't in the reports I read in April) she was on the plane. However, I also read that she met him in Atlanta - she did not fly down to Georgia with him. I don't know if that was true.

Anyone around the plane, on the tarmac, in Georgia could have seen her, and then in Moline she came off the plane and went to the hospital. I am sure she had to give her name to the EMTs and the authorities there.

nelcp777 said:

I don't think it was opiods, either. He would have been dead by the time the plane landed.

1Sasha said:

I didn't know about Judith's exchange with the fan, but I had read that it was common knowledge (where - it wasn't in the reports I read in April) she was on the plane. However, I also read that she met him in Atlanta - she did not fly down to Georgia with him. I don't know if that was true.

I do not remember anyone saying she was around until the article was mentioned. I think a lot of us assumed it was Meron his PA.

In the in e-mail exchange she said she did not know who told the NYT reporter she was on the plane. Why would anyone in Moline know who she was and she was not his next of kin so she really would not have been privy too much info.

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1Sasha said:

I don't think it was opiods, either. He would have been dead by the time the plane landed.

Just my 2 cents. TMZ got wind of the Narcan shot being used. Instead of investigating it, they went with opiod overdose, which is why Narcan is primarily used. Saying that, it can also be used for non-overdosed individuals who are unresponsive.

With that, the latter does not generate much excitement, I guess.

Since TMZ ran with it, it took off. Speculation on my end for TMZ and for what I am about to say. Prince, does not address the rumor from TMZ and OD on the plane. He normally does not do it anyway. Instead, he makes the remark about the prayers and goes on.

I am not privy to anything, much less ever been to MPLS or PP. What little (which may be alot) that I have researched, by all accounts, Prince was in good disposition, but appeared "frail" to some attendees at the dance party.

The remark about Jon Bream in regards to the guitar is interesting. Say Prince was not feeling well, with flu like symptons, is that reason enough he could not play his guitar?

3 people is what I heard where on the plane. Kirk was probably 1. Judith Hill has said she was there. That leaves 1 more. Could it be his assitant, Meron, or Romeo, the bodyguard?

I am inclined to believe Kirk was the one who carried him off the plane. Why, he was with Prince the longest, but I could be wrong.

We will probably never know why Prince was unresponsive on the plane. FOIA will not bypass HIPAA laws. Those on the plane are not talking. Moline medical is not even acknowledging Prince was treated at their facilities.

1Sasha said:

I don't think it was opiods, either. He would have been dead by the time the plane landed.

That is what does not make sense and how come no one has questioned this from the beginning.

Even the fact that according to Dr. Drew and I what I read and I know from my own experience from Percocet that people do not usually o.d on this stuff unless they take hugh amounts or mix it with something else. Percocets cause constipation and vomiting especially if he was eating after taking it and if he was taking enough to make him past out. He would have been vomiting all over the place or not eating anything because he stomach would have been too upset.

I can tell you I ate perc like they were tic tacs after surgery and I was throwing up all over the place and then had the dry heaves not to mention being to out of it barely make to the bathroom. I suspect Idid not overdoes and die because everything was thrown up.

I do not doubt he was taking pain meds but no matter what tolerence he had the side effects would have made it hard for him to get from place to place.

nelcp777 said:

1Sasha said:

I don't think it was opiods, either. He would have been dead by the time the plane landed.

Just my 2 cents. TMZ got wind of the Narcan shot being used. Instead of investigating it, they went with opiod overdose, which is why Narcan is primarily used. Saying that, it can also be used for non-overdosed individuals who are unresponsive.

With that, the latter does not generate much excitement, I guess.

Since TMZ ran with it, it took off. Speculation on my end for TMZ and for what I am about to say. Prince, does not address the rumor from TMZ and OD on the plane. He normally does not do it anyway. Instead, he makes the remark about the prayers and goes on.

I am not privy to anything, much less ever been to MPLS or PP. What little (which may be alot) that I have researched, by all accounts, Prince was in good disposition, but appeared "frail" to some attendees at the dance party.

The remark about Jon Bream in regards to the guitar is interesting. Say Prince was not feeling well, with flu like symptons, is that reason enough he could not play his guitar?

3 people is what I heard where on the plane. Kirk was probably 1. Judith Hill has said she was there. That leaves 1 more. Could it be his assitant, Meron, or Romeo, the bodyguard?

I am inclined to believe Kirk was the one who carried him off the plane. Why, he was with Prince the longest, but I could be wrong.

We will probably never know why Prince was unresponsive on the plane. FOIA will not bypass HIPAA laws. Those on the plane are not talking. Moline medical is not even acknowledging Prince was treated at their facilities.

FOIA will not bypass HIPAA laws. Which is weird as well the Carver County logs actually say what people were picked up forby ambulance at Paisley Park over the years. No names are given but the reason for the call is listed.

What are the reasons a person can pass out, or become unconscious, and not wake up, besides an overdose? There must be dozens of reasons. I do not have a medical background, but like another poster said, Narcan normally could wake the dead ... Right. Sorry for that comment. But it's true. He was still breathing but he was out cold for a long time. This might sound crazy to you, but diabetes can cause a dramatic weight loss and insulin shock can lay a person out flat. I know, speculation, but ... We just don't have the facts.

nelcp777 said:

1Sasha said:

I don't think it was opiods, either. He would have been dead by the time the plane landed.

Just my 2 cents. TMZ got wind of the Narcan shot being used. Instead of investigating it, they went with opiod overdose, which is why Narcan is primarily used. Saying that, it can also be used for non-overdosed individuals who are unresponsive.

With that, the latter does not generate much excitement, I guess.

Since TMZ ran with it, it took off. Speculation on my end for TMZ and for what I am about to say. Prince, does not address the rumor from TMZ and OD on the plane. He normally does not do it anyway. Instead, he makes the remark about the prayers and goes on.

I am not privy to anything, much less ever been to MPLS or PP. What little (which may be alot) that I have researched, by all accounts, Prince was in good disposition, but appeared "frail" to some attendees at the dance party.

The remark about Jon Bream in regards to the guitar is interesting. Say Prince was not feeling well, with flu like symptons, is that reason enough he could not play his guitar?

3 people is what I heard where on the plane. Kirk was probably 1. Judith Hill has said she was there. That leaves 1 more. Could it be his assitant, Meron, or Romeo, the bodyguard?

I am inclined to believe Kirk was the one who carried him off the plane. Why, he was with Prince the longest, but I could be wrong.

We will probably never know why Prince was unresponsive on the plane. FOIA will not bypass HIPAA laws. Those on the plane are not talking. Moline medical is not even acknowledging Prince was treated at their facilities.

Nelcp - Romeo was on vacation, that is why Kirk was with him.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

Just my 2 cents. TMZ got wind of the Narcan shot being used. Instead of investigating it, they went with opiod overdose, which is why Narcan is primarily used. Saying that, it can also be used for non-overdosed individuals who are unresponsive.

With that, the latter does not generate much excitement, I guess.

Since TMZ ran with it, it took off. Speculation on my end for TMZ and for what I am about to say. Prince, does not address the rumor from TMZ and OD on the plane. He normally does not do it anyway. Instead, he makes the remark about the prayers and goes on.

I am not privy to anything, much less ever been to MPLS or PP. What little (which may be alot) that I have researched, by all accounts, Prince was in good disposition, but appeared "frail" to some attendees at the dance party.

The remark about Jon Bream in regards to the guitar is interesting. Say Prince was not feeling well, with flu like symptons, is that reason enough he could not play his guitar?

3 people is what I heard where on the plane. Kirk was probably 1. Judith Hill has said she was there. That leaves 1 more. Could it be his assitant, Meron, or Romeo, the bodyguard?

I am inclined to believe Kirk was the one who carried him off the plane. Why, he was with Prince the longest, but I could be wrong.

We will probably never know why Prince was unresponsive on the plane. FOIA will not bypass HIPAA laws. Those on the plane are not talking. Moline medical is not even acknowledging Prince was treated at their facilities.

Nelcp - Romeo was on vacation, that is why Kirk was with him.

Thanks for the info.

1Sasha said:

After seeing that picture of George Michael on the cover of the National Enquirer I am so happy that nothing like that appeared in regards to Prince.

I was not a fan of Michael but the man deserved more respect that that picture.

1Sasha said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

1Sasha said:

What are the reasons a person can pass out, or become unconscious, and not wake up, besides an overdose? There must be dozens of reasons. I do not have a medical background, but like another poster said, Narcan normally could wake the dead ... Right. Sorry for that comment. But it's true. He was still breathing but he was out cold for a long time. This might sound crazy to you, but diabetes can cause a dramatic weight loss and insulin shock can lay a person out flat. I know, speculation, but ... We just don't have the facts.

That is Possible... This has been said before here too.... if P had drugs in his body received the narcan shots that puts you out not able to be out and about as quick as he was. Therefore more proof he could not have had opioids in his system.

Quite a lot of people have said the shot puts your body throught it. I will have to do a little more reserch on it.