zenarose said:

It seems as though we have come full circle. From recent comments and discussions from a multitude of sites, everyone is right back to the flight from Atlanta. Many state that nothing reported makes sense and there are no verifiable witnesses(s) The line of thinking is that TMZ led and the other media followed.No one did any investigative research to verify the truth. I am still looking for the interview of the Chef's wife. I am thinking it may have been deleted.

I have been saying from the very begining that TMZ just ran with the story having no fucking idea what exactly was going on. How long was Prince unconsicus so that he had to be revived twice? It does not take long for brian damage or death to set in. If he went out on the plane how long did it take for the plane to land from the distress call and how long did it take for him to be revived.

Was he having an O.D. since Judith said he stopped speaking in mid-sentence and his eyes became fixed. Even Dr. Drew said that sounded like a seizue not a pain pill overdose as most people will vomit up the pills unless they had taken alcohol with them or mixed them with something else.

Keep in mine I am not saying he did not have drugs in his system as they would have found out at the hospital but that does not mean that caused him to past out on the plane. I am sure it did not help his stiuation.

More in likely some butthole janitor or other low-level non-medial person heard something and reported it to TMZ because unless someone stole his medical test from the hospital how would TMZ know what test were conducted or what was in his system. Did someone scan copies of the medical test to TMZ. If so how come that person is not in big trouble.

How would anyone know if a bag of drugs were on the plane if they police were not called? Why was the police not called if a bag of drugs were on the plane because then it looks like you are selling and distrubing? In addtion, to bringing drugs across state lines.

Like I said before they lied about him making a fuss and storming out of the hospital who knows what else they lied about. In addtion, I find it hard to believe that Prince did two 80 minutes shows playing a piano and was high the whole time. Not to mention the promoter saying he complained about stomach pains and told her to hold off announcing the addtional dates because he wanted to go back home and see his doctor first

Why would he need to go back and see his doctor to be told he was strung out on drugs? He also called Andrian and told him there would be no aftershow in Atlanta because he did not fell 100 % and that he was going to see his doctor when he returned from Atlanta. I do not think he knew what he was taking and I am starting to believe we will never find out where those drugs came from just because the investigation has dragged on too long.

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I looked on Facebook pages for the FACEBOOK comment from the Chef's wife and I cannot find it. I also believe it was deleated. I did find a few people on other FACEBOOK pages commenting on what she said and being very upset with the FACEBOOK page that contacted the chef.

I believe the chef did respond to the accusation of posioning but her response was removed.

Where is the DEA on this investigation? I am wondering if the decision has been made unofficially to simply close the book on the investigation. At some point in the future (before April - wasn't April 17 the next date on the investigation calendar?) an official comment will have to be made regarding the investigation. More and more I think nothing will come of it. AND WHERE ARE THE REPORTERS DIGGING INTO THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF HIS LIFE? I have finally come to accept what happened, and now I am angry that his death is being treated like it was natural causes.

I thought I read that there WAS a private investigator on the case - or a GoFundMe page has been set up to pay for one..?
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Also, isn't there a journalist / film-maker trying to trace his last steps, initially to search for a will - but who might turn something up?
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I agree that there are way too many loose ends / things not making sense - and I also reckon that all it will take is for ONE associate to speak out and then the floodgates will open.

1Sasha said:

Dibblekins said:

I still think Kirk knows EVERYTHING and the fact that he is being seen as a public face of Paisley Park means the family knows (maybe not all the siblings, but at least one does) what happened and they just want to sweep it under the carpet, so to speak, and get on with the money distribution.

I believe the local police thought it was a "simple" death - a heart attack or an aneurysm - he was so young. Something like that. I have posted this before: the ME does her work and OMG it's a drug overdose and all hell broke loose. Instead of locking down PP for weeks, if necessary, everyone and his brother walked into that place and contaminated the scene (and maybe cleaned up the scene, too - we don't know if anything was taken) before the bottles of pills were found.

1Sasha said:

I agree with you, LR. If the trail isn't cold by now, it is certainly cooling off.

I have no doubt whatsoever that those who were close to him (not just family) know the real details of his death. I also believe there's been many people just spinning bs to mislead, both in the media, on Facebook, and here on the org. And people have fallen for the bait pretty well it seems and are back where they started.

The fact that no journalist is digging for information really intrigues me. There's nothing straightforward about Prince's death, so there's a story there for sure. Would have thought they'd be all over it....

MMJas said:

The fact that no journalist is digging for information really intrigues me. There's nothing straightforward about Prince's death, so there's a story there for sure. Would have thought they'd be all over it....

I don't get it either. A simple FOIA request from Moline would get the ball rolling.

While I'm not a legal expert (any lawyers here can chime in), but I don't see how someone's private medical records are covered by the Freedom of Information Act, which is typically used for federal government documents (https://www.foia.gov/about.html). Private medical records are protected by HIPAA. The situation in Moline was medical, not criminal.

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Separately, I don't have any inside info about what all journalists are and aren't investigating, but based on the conclusions expressed here, it sounds like you guys do...

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

The fact that no journalist is digging for information really intrigues me. There's nothing straightforward about Prince's death, so there's a story there for sure. Would have thought they'd be all over it....

I don't get it either. A simple FOIA request from Moline would get the ball rolling.

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What I don't seem to understand, is if the ST can make an FOIA request and subsequently have the divorce proceedings unsealed...then why can't the same be done in order to unseal the full autopsy report? I'm not sure who is an attorney on here, maybe you know...and I can ask?

Peace and Love

disch said:

While I'm not a legal expert (any lawyers here can chime in), but I don't see how someone's private medical records are covered by the Freedom of Information Act, which is typically used for federal government documents (https://www.foia.gov/about.html). Private medical records are protected by HIPAA. The situation in Moline was medical, not criminal.

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Separately, I don't have any inside info about what all journalists are and aren't investigating, but based on the conclusions expressed here, it sounds like you guys do...

laurarichardson said:

I don't get it either. A simple FOIA request from Moline would get the ball rolling.

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I don't think the divorce records unsealing was based on an FOIA request. I believe FOIA requests only apply to federal-government documents, not state-government documents, among other things. I think the legal argument for unsealing those was different.

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One difference between the autopsy and the divorce records is that per Minnesota law, full autopsies are not public. Divorce records are public, but the court allowed an exception to that law when they sealed the divorce records; that exception was because the court felt circumstances at the time merited it, but those circumstances weren't indefinite, per the court.

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Medical records are a different thing too, and are protected by HIPAA laws.

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But again, I'm not a lawyer and would certainly defer to one.

precioux said:

What I don't seem to understand, is if the ST can make an FOIA request and subsequently have the divorce proceedings unsealed...then why can't the same be done in order to unseal the full autopsy report? I'm not sure who is an attorney on here, maybe you know...and I can ask?

Peace and Love

disch said:

While I'm not a legal expert (any lawyers here can chime in), but I don't see how someone's private medical records are covered by the Freedom of Information Act, which is typically used for federal government documents (https://www.foia.gov/about.html). Private medical records are protected by HIPAA. The situation in Moline was medical, not criminal.

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Separately, I don't have any inside info about what all journalists are and aren't investigating, but based on the conclusions expressed here, it sounds like you guys do...

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Mumio said:

I have no doubt whatsoever that those who were close to him (not just family) know the real details of his death. I also believe there's been many people just spinning bs to mislead, both in the media, on Facebook, and here on the org. And people have fallen for the bait pretty well it seems and are back where they started.

I believe this to be true.

disch said:

I don't think the divorce records unsealing was based on an FOIA request. I think the legal argument for unsealing those was different.

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One difference between the autopsy and the divorce records is that per Minnesota law, full autopsies are not public. Divorce records are public, but the court allowed an exception to that law when they sealed the divorce records; that exception was because the court felt circumstances at the time merited it, but those circumstances weren't indefinite, per the court.

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Medical records are a different thing too, and are protected by HIPAA laws.

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But again, I'm not a lawyer and would certainly defer to one.

precioux said:

What I don't seem to understand, is if the ST can make an FOIA request and subsequently have the divorce proceedings unsealed...then why can't the same be done in order to unseal the full autopsy report? I'm not sure who is an attorney on here, maybe you know...and I can ask?

Peace and Love

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Disch you are correct in what you have stated above.

Also, do you really want to see the autopsy report?

Seriously?

They weigh the brain and other organs.

There are photos too.

Ugh

I'm the one who originally asked if an FOIA would apply to unsealing the autopsy report and disch replied. No, I am not interested in all of the photos and gory details...only in what could possibly shed more light in order for people to accept and move on. I personally believe there was an underlying ailment that was not disclosed on the "short form". And n/a does not mean that there was no underlying ailment, simply that it did not apply to the final cause of death. The long form would provide details that would possibly clear things up for those of us going around in circles speculating. The speculating alone is downright maddening, because, as stated on here before, there are too many gaps, besides the fact (as Laurarichardson has stated numerous times)...Fentanyl was NOT in his system after the Moline incident, hence P was not a long time user of that particular drug...if he were, believe me,it would have been in his sysytem. OTOH, the statement in regards to Fentanyl not being in his system was quoted from an anonymous source...who knows. I think the disclosure of the full report (not pictures) would give us some clarity, and the ability to move on.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

I don't think the divorce records unsealing was based on an FOIA request. I think the legal argument for unsealing those was different.

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One difference between the autopsy and the divorce records is that per Minnesota law, full autopsies are not public. Divorce records are public, but the court allowed an exception to that law when they sealed the divorce records; that exception was because the court felt circumstances at the time merited it, but those circumstances weren't indefinite, per the court.

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Medical records are a different thing too, and are protected by HIPAA laws.

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But again, I'm not a lawyer and would certainly defer to one.

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Disch you are correct in what you have stated above.

Also, do you really want to see the autopsy report?

Seriously?

They weigh the brain and other organs.

There are photos too.

Ugh

laurarichardson said:

At some point, early after April 21, IIRC there were questions by long-time orgers about some new members - it was thought some of these new people were possibly members of the media. I joined after April 21, so I was sensitive to the feeling that there was some fishing around for information going on. But I must repeat that I am absolutely stunned that nothing is coming out of any media outlet regarding the investigation, no leaks from the inner circle (or even from acquaintances), just nothing ... It never entered my mind that someone would do Prince harm; I thought he might have killed himself at one point because I have never thought the overdose was accidental (yes, I don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone also). There are too many questions. Too many.

disch said:

1Sasha said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Disch you are correct in what you have stated above.

Also, do you really want to see the autopsy report?

Seriously?

They weigh the brain and other organs.

There are photos too.

Ugh

All I'd want to know is all health conditions found present, no pics and certainly no tmi details like weights of internal organs.

I agree with you Mumio: just the facts but not the photos, etc.

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

I don't think the divorce records unsealing was based on an FOIA request. I believe FOIA requests only apply to federal-government documents, not state-government documents, among other things. I think the legal argument for unsealing those was different.

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One difference between the autopsy and the divorce records is that per Minnesota law, full autopsies are not public. Divorce records are public, but the court allowed an exception to that law when they sealed the divorce records; that exception was because the court felt circumstances at the time merited it, but those circumstances weren't indefinite, per the court.

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Medical records are a different thing too, and are protected by HIPAA laws.

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But again, I'm not a lawyer and would certainly defer to one.

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---No, FOIA cannot be used to open the full autosphy. FOIA can be used to get the report from the ambulance dispatch in Moline. That would tell us what went on in that ambulance and give us a time frame from the time the distress call went out to the control tower at 1:30am. How long was he unconscience? Did he flatline? As you know you can only be dead so long before brain damage to start. Was he really having a seziure. [Edited 1/4/17 11:33am]

I agree, but had to question it...so I contacted a fellow orger who happens to be an attorney to verify and you are right...an FOIA can not be used to release the full autopsy.

In regards to the Moline incident...I'm really curious as to WHY no one has used an FOIA yet to get the specifics!!

I was curious about how state FOIA laws might apply to an ambulence report; I found this on the Illinois FOIA guidelines doc. There are limits to what will be revealed by an FOIA requests, it seems, especially when it comes to medical info (which is HIPAA protected). Laura, you should make a request for the info and see what you get!

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"Exemption 7(1)(c) of FOIA (5 ILCS 140/7(1)(c) (West 2010), as amended by Public Acts 97-333, effective August 12, 2011; 97-385 effective August 15, 2011; 97-452 effective August 19, 2011), allows a public body to withhold "[p]ersonal information contained within public records, the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, unless the disclosure is consented to in writing by the individual subjects of the information....Identifying information and specific medical information contained in an emergency services report may be redacted, but the remainder of the report must be disclosed."

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

I don't think the divorce records unsealing was based on an FOIA request. I believe FOIA requests only apply to federal-government documents, not state-government documents, among other things. I think the legal argument for unsealing those was different.

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One difference between the autopsy and the divorce records is that per Minnesota law, full autopsies are not public. Divorce records are public, but the court allowed an exception to that law when they sealed the divorce records; that exception was because the court felt circumstances at the time merited it, but those circumstances weren't indefinite, per the court.

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Medical records are a different thing too, and are protected by HIPAA laws.

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But again, I'm not a lawyer and would certainly defer to one.

[Edited 1/4/17 8:21am]

---No, FOIA cannot be used to open the full autosphy. FOIA can be used to get the report from the ambulance dispatch in Moline. That would tell us what went on in that ambulance and give us a time frame from the time the distress call went out to the control tower at 1:30am. How long was he unconscience? Did he flatline? As you know you can only be dead so long before brain damage to start. Was he really having a seziure. [Edited 1/4/17 11:33am]

disch said:

I was curious about how state FOIA laws might apply to an ambulence report; I found this on the Illinois FOIA guidelines doc. There are limits to what will be revealed by an FOIA requests, it seems, especially when it comes to medical info (which is HIPAA protected). Laura, you should make a request for the info and see what you get!

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They will not release the Moline records while there is a criminal investigation pending.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: