First, his medical records won't be released, period. Those are HIPAA protected by law. Second, this whole idea that there is a criminal investigation pending is a bit specious generally, and the idea that whatever investigation is going on has anything do with his Moline incident is silly.

-

But i'm not going to say anything more about this because I've given my point of view for many months and I don't actually feel comfortable contributing to a conspiracy thread, as i am vehemently not a conspiracy theorist.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

I was curious about how state FOIA laws might apply to an ambulence report; I found this on the Illinois FOIA guidelines doc. There are limits to what will be revealed by an FOIA requests, it seems, especially when it comes to medical info (which is HIPAA protected). Laura, you should make a request for the info and see what you get!

--

They will not release the Moline records while there is a criminal investigation pending.

disch said:

--The ambulance dispatch report is not his medical record and the police already releashed a statement that the investigation is a homcide investigation and is on going.

laurarichardson said:[quote]

disch said:

--The ambulance dispatch report is not his medical record and the police already releashed a statement that the investigation is a homcide investigation and is on going. Why do you keep going on about a conspiracy people kill people intentionally or unintentionally all the time every single day very rarely is it a conspiracy. Answer me this How many drug addicts tell more than one person that they are going to see their doctor because they don't fell 100% go to a doctor and have test to see if they are on drugs. If you are on drugs you will keep using them or you will stop you will not go to a doctor so you can be told you are using drugs. I do not think he knew what he was taking because someone got him a bad batch. It does not need to be conspiracy just could be someone screwing up or being malicious.
[Edited 1/4/17 19:16pm]

laurarichardson said:

That go fund me only raised $100. I chatted with her on her FB page about how i think it would actually cost $10,000 just to get started on a case lke this. I also told her that her artwork on her justice4prince didnt agree with mw and it makes me hesitate to join up with her. She replied that I obviously never seen light shooting from Prince' s palms um...

Dish, we are here for Prince not to be labeled as conspiracy theorists. You can have your opinion and we all can have ideas/opinions too some similar and some are different...no one knows who's opinions are right as there is not enough info to base that on. Loose ends have been pointed out and there are no answers to many questions.
Things with his death do not add up to anyone and it is an ongoing criminal investigation. That is all we know 8 months out

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

They will not release the Moline records while there is a criminal investigation pending.

-A report for the abulance call may not fall under HIPPA remember the ambulance calls that went to Paisley are on the Carver County web site simply simply stating that a 53 year old male was taken to the hospital for dehydration. I do not think an ambulance call to the airport is a part of the investigation.

I think the ambulance call to the airport would absolutely be part of the criminal investigation.

Just my opinion from prior experience.

Laura, do a FOIA request.

Post #4 of the thread titled" Help, looking for video of Prince talking about George Michael " has something interesting. So George Michael had problems with his record label, back in the '90s, and referred to it as slavery, and Prince speaks out on his behalf. Now George is dead too. Oh yeah, and Prince's old club manager from the 90's, died from fentanyl. Someone said n FB that Prince was going to reveal some things record labels did back in the 90's. I wonder if thats true

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

--Maybe I will because all they can do is say no.

oliviacamron said:

Post #4 of the thread titled" Help, looking for video of Prince talking about George Michael " has something interesting. So George Michael had problems with his record label, back in the '90s, and referred to it as slavery, and Prince speaks out on his behalf. Now George is dead too. Oh yeah, and Prince's old club manager from the 90's, died from fentanyl. Someone said n FB that Prince was going to reveal some things record labels did back in the 90's. I wonder if thats true

George was in the process of making a documentary charting his life / experiences / ordeals - in the same way as P was writing a memoir...Interesting, huh?

Dibblekins said:

oliviacamron said:

Post #4 of the thread titled" Help, looking for video of Prince talking about George Michael " has something interesting. So George Michael had problems with his record label, back in the '90s, and referred to it as slavery, and Prince speaks out on his behalf. Now George is dead too. Oh yeah, and Prince's old club manager from the 90's, died from fentanyl. Someone said n FB that Prince was going to reveal some things record labels did back in the 90's. I wonder if thats true

George was in the process of making a documentary charting his life / experiences / ordeals - in the same way as P was writing a memoir...Interesting, huh?

Yes, it is and in George's case I really believe Sony killed him not literally but just how they crushed him after he lost that lawsuit.

He was isolated, too, much in the same way Prince was. Where were the people they both supported when their ends came?

1Sasha said:

---Prince was not isolated he was out and about right up until his dying day. I think he was not feeling well and did not want to be bothered with anybody.

oliviacamron said:

Would hope if Prince got around to writing about it should be released as he would have wanted everyone to hear but something tells me it will ever be made public.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

oliviacamron said:

Post #4 of the thread titled" Help, looking for video of Prince talking about George Michael " has something interesting. So George Michael had problems with his record label, back in the '90s, and referred to it as slavery, and Prince speaks out on his behalf. Now George is dead too. Oh yeah, and Prince's old club manager from the 90's, died from fentanyl. Someone said n FB that Prince was going to reveal some things record labels did back in the 90's. I wonder if thats true

Would hope if Prince got around to writing about it should be released as he would have wanted everyone to hear but something tells me it will ever be made public.

I think the Jim Walsh book 'The Gold Experience', a collection of articles and conversations he had with Prince during the 90s may well prove very interesting...See Bookwomen's thread on the topic.

http://prince.org/msg/7/437215

oliviacamron said:

Post #4 of the thread titled" Help, looking for video of Prince talking about George Michael " has something interesting. So George Michael had problems with his record label, back in the '90s, and referred to it as slavery, and Prince speaks out on his behalf. Now George is dead too. Oh yeah, and Prince's old club manager from the 90's, died from fentanyl. Someone said n FB that Prince was going to reveal some things record labels did back in the 90's. I wonder if thats true

yeah, I'm curious to know if that was going to be released in his memoirs. Also, if GM winds up having died of a fentanyl OD as well.....that will be TOO much not to be a coincidence! His autopsy has been complete, and obviously did not die of natural causes, hence further investigation.

Dibblekins said:

--It is interesting makes me look at the case differently.

laurarichardson said:

This is how I always thought of it...
Someone posted a while back what Adrian Crutchfield said about Princes death, and we are hearing it again
[Edited 1/5/17 18:49pm]

Happen to come across this article which indicated that in April, ABC News did indeed file a state FOIA request about the Moline emergency, which resulting in the info we know (time of the incident, etc.). So it looks like everything they're legally permitted to release about that is already out:
http://abc7chicago.com/en...g/1309783/

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

The fact that no journalist is digging for information really intrigues me. There's nothing straightforward about Prince's death, so there's a story there for sure. Would have thought they'd be all over it....

I don't get it either. A simple FOIA request from Moline would get the ball rolling.

disch said:

Happen to come across this article which indicated that in April, ABC News did indeed file a state FOIA request about the Moline emergency, which resulting in the info we know (time of the incident, etc.). So it looks like everything they're legally permitted to release about that is already out:
http://abc7chicago.com/en...g/1309783/

laurarichardson said:

I don't get it either. A simple FOIA request from Moline would get the ball rolling.

Thanks disch for finding this information.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

Happen to come across this article which indicated that in April, ABC News did indeed file a state FOIA request about the Moline emergency, which resulting in the info we know (time of the incident, etc.). So it looks like everything they're legally permitted to release about that is already out:
http://abc7chicago.com/en...g/1309783/

Thanks disch for finding this information.

Thanks, it was interesting to read this, including Prince's name being redacted in the request.

disch said:

Great detective work,disch!!!!

precioux said:

---It does not tell us the treatment or aliment but the time frame information is interesting and now you all know ambulance and fire reports are not a part of HIPPA.

I think you're wrong there, Laura. The personal medical info was redacted out of the released report because that info is HIPAA-protected.

-

The timeline info is something that was discussed here plenty over the last 8 months and isn't new info. I posted the link to that article because it specifically mentioned the FOIA requests and you had assumed that "the media" hadn't bothered to do that.

-

In addition to the document I linked above regarding Illinois' specific privacy considerations for FOIA requests, this article has some interesting discusion about how HIPAA laws can restrict journalists' access, for those interested in this topic.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Great detective work,disch!!!!

---It does not tell us the treatment or aliment but the time frame information is interesting and now you all know ambulance and fire reports are not a part of HIPPA.

If it was protected by HIPPA we would not have seen anything at all just like you will never see his medical records at all. His name was redacted because that is personal but Prince being picked by an ambulance that is payed for by tax payers is not confidential. The report for that county may not be structured to show the reason and treatment. If you look at the Carver County logs for ambulance and police you will see the reason for the call and the treatment names are blacked out or not listed. You can not hide from the public the use of police and fire personal and equiptment. I also was trying to put together a time line to try and figure out how much time from the distress call from the plane to when got to the hospital however, after seeing the 60k hospital bill for latest medical expenses I think we have some answers. /////-////-/////.....

said:

[Edited 1/6/17 20:39pm]

Thanks dish for he link, I was only able to read up to where it said it was heavily blacked out my I pad kept crashing

I'm sort of confused what you're arguing about. Yes, the basic facts of the Moline ambulence call are public record and were reported all over the place since April (basic facts = time of call, number of emergency personel, etc.). What was redacted in the report due to HIPAA laws was all the specific info about the patient (Prince), the nature of his emergency, and the treatment he recieved from the first responders. You know, the stuff that people here really want to know.

-

You had stated above that an FOIA request would let us know "How long was he unconscience? Did he flatline?" and clearly that info was not released.

laurarichardson said:

If it was protected by HIPPA we would not have seen anything at all just like you will never see his medical records at all. His name was redacted because that is personal but Prince being picked by an ambulance that is payed for by tax payers is not confidential. The report for that county may not be structured to show the reason and treatment. If you look at the Carver County logs for ambulance and police you will see the reason for the call and the treatment names are blacked out or not listed. You can not hide from the public the use of police and fire personal and equiptment. I also was trying to put together a time line to try and figure out how much time from the distress call from the plane to when got to the hospital however, after seeing the 60k hospital bill for latest medical expenses I think we have some answers. ///////-////-////////////////............... said:

I think you're wrong there, Laura. The personal medical info was redacted out of the released report because that info is HIPAA-protected.

-

The timeline info is something that was discussed here plenty over the last 8 months and isn't new info. I posted the link to that article because it specifically mentioned the FOIA requests and you had assumed that "the media" hadn't bothered to do that.

-

In addition to the document I linked above regarding Illinois' specific privacy considerations for FOIA requests, this article has some interesting discusion about how HIPAA laws can restrict journalists' access, for those interested in this topic.

[Edited 1/6/17 20:39pm]

I am not arguing with you I am telling you to look at the Carver county records people names are removed but often the reason the ambulance or police was called and the treatment they received is avalible it depends on the structure of that municipalities report. Look at the Carver County reports. Keep in mind the news article does not say the reason or treatment was redacted from the report just that it was not listed. These calls are public information and not a part of HIPPA. As far as the timeline we have none that tells when the plane landed and when he got on the rig and how long he was unconscious. Did he flatline because you can only be unconscious for so long before brain damage begins. I keep thinking he may have been given Narcan just because he was unresponsive as I remember what Dr. Drew said about what Judith Hill described as sounded as if he was having a seizure not an OD. That 60k medical expense has me convinced he had other issues.

:

laurarichardson said:

If it was protected by HIPPA we would not have seen anything at all just like you will never see his medical records at all. His name was redacted because that is personal but Prince being picked by an ambulance that is payed for by tax payers is not confidential. The report for that county may not be structured to show the reason and treatment. If you look at the Carver County logs for ambulance and police you will see the reason for the call and the treatment names are blacked out or not listed. You can not hide from the public the use of police and fire personal and equiptment. I also was trying to put together a time line to try and figure out how much time from the distress call from the plane to when got to the hospital however, after seeing the 60k hospital bill for latest medical expenses I think we have some answers. ///////-////-////////////////............... said:

I think you're wrong there, Laura. The personal medical info was redacted out of the released report because that info is HIPAA-protected.

-

The timeline info is something that was discussed here plenty over the last 8 months and isn't new info. I posted the link to that article because it specifically mentioned the FOIA requests and you had assumed that "the media" hadn't bothered to do that.

-

In addition to the document I linked above regarding Illinois' specific privacy considerations for FOIA requests, this article has some interesting discusion about how HIPAA laws can restrict journalists' access, for those interested in this topic.

[Edited 1/6/17 20:39pm]

Where did you see that, Laura? Thanks in advance.

MMJas said:

61K is listed as an outstanding debt for P in regards to last Medical bill owed. It's listed on the estate thread along with assets as well. Maybe LR can provide the exact link

61K is not a lot for US hospital, Drs.,transportation etc.
this link can be found at reply #465 on the Estate thread here

http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=16