Give me Computer Blue extended mixes and you can set the rest on fire if you want. Although Father's Song would be nice...

Do we really need another pointless thread about this?

BartVanHemelen said:

Do we really need another pointless thread about this?

No we don't but let 'em play.

jazzz said:

It will have all the tracks that we already have...I doubt there is anything new. Would love to hear an extended clean version of Fathers Song.

databank said:

Don't forget the protege songs.

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1. Jungle Love - The Time

2. The Bird - The Time

3. Modernaire - The Modernaires (Please!!!!!!)

4. Sex Shooter - Apollonia 6

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Also would love to see besides all the songs described

.

Climax - Purple Rain era instrumental

Chocolate - ditto

Unreleased Vanity 6 2nd album tracks - Wet Dreams Cousin, Vibrator and Sex Shooter with Vanity Vocals.

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Would it be too late for Roadhouse garden and Possessed to end up on it, along with White Girls.

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But Electric Intercourse better be on that shit, along with the 15 minutes of Computer Blue.

NorthC said:

databank said:

No we don't but let 'em play.

Well, since the both of you took the trouble of responding to this thread, then the answer must be YES.

Did I?

once again...

someone posted this in the other thread.I'd be satisfied with something like this

Purple Rain (Deluxe edition)

Disc 1 (the remaster)

Lets Go Crazy

Take Me with U

The Beautiful Ones

Darling Nikki

When Doves Cry

I Would Die 4 U

Baby I'm a star

Purple Rain

Disc 2 (the rare)

Jungle Love

Modernaire

Sex Shooter

The Bird

Electric Intercourse

G Spot

God (instrumental)

Possessed

God

17 days

Fathers Song

Erotic City

Wednesday

Another Lonely Christmas (Full version)

Syndicate

Hello How are you?

Disc 3 (the remixes)

Lets Go Crazy 12"

Take Me with (unreleased full version)

Computer Blue (Unreleased full version)

The Beautiful Ones (unreleased full version)

Darling Nikki (unreleased full version)

I would die 4 U (12" Version")

When Does Cry (Unreleased original version)

Purple Rain (Orchestral Version)

Disc 4 (Live)

Syracuse Live DVD

this..... yes...
Disc 5 (Night club live, DVD)
Live at First Avenue, Minneapolis,
Minnesota Dance Theatre Benefit concert, 3. Aug. 1983

Let's Go Crazy
When You Were Mine
A Case Of You (Joni Mitchell cover)
Computer Blue
Delirious
Electric Intercourse
Automatic
I Would Die 4 U . (basic recording used for Purple Rain)
Baby I'm A Star . (basic recording used for Purple Rain)
Little Red Corvette
Purple Rain . (basic recording used for Purple Rain)
D.M.S.R.

^ still this will NOT happen...

No dvd's will be released, afaik?

You can be sure there will be CLOREEN BACON SKIN. It was from the PR sessions, Prince released it in Crystal ball, but Warner has the rights for this track.

thedance said:

^ still this will NOT happen...

No dvd's will be released, afaik?

The Time, Dez and A6 songs, as well as G-Spot, have no fucking business being on a PR remaster so no, that would NOT be nice.

+ honestly if we get nothing but those fucking alternate versions we've had for years and Wednesday and Electric Intercourse when there are dozens of songs from 1983 waiting to get out of the vault, that would be so cheap.

I am sometimes baffled at how unambitious AND inaccurate those PR wishlists have been ever since the remaster has been announced.

RODSERLING said:

You can be sure there will be CLOREEN BACON SKIN. It was from the PR sessions, Prince released it in Crystal ball, but Warner has the rights for this track.

Well Warner kind of lost the rights to it when Prince put a (p) sticker on it on CB in 1998, so unless they sue they don't have any automatic right to it anymore. + technically it was the ICC sessions not PR (even though they were contemporary).

+ honestly, and once again, they'd have to be insane to try and cheat us like that... putting a 15 mn song that belongs on another released album that we all have on a PR remaster?

People on the org have the strangest ideas sometimes

RODSERLING said:

You can be sure there will be CLOREEN BACON SKIN. It was from the PR sessions, Prince released it in Crystal ball, but Warner has the rights for this track.

It was done during the 1999 tour, actually (same day as "My Summertime Thing" and one day away from "Jungle Love").

Not sure where you get your information from, or if you're just trolling, but WB has zero rights to the song. Prince owned it, Prince released it himself. Anything unreleased remained under Prince's ownership. It's only when he turned over a completed album to WB, it got a catalog & UPC code, and was set for released did WB gain rights to the masters. The vault was Prince's. Even Prince said, "I never gave the best stuff to WB", meaning he kept it for himself, for now. He owned it.

And to have CBS on PR deluxe is an atrocity I'd like to not see happen.

databank said:

The Time, Dez and A6 songs, as well as G-Spot, have no fucking business being on a PR remaster so no, that would NOT be nice.

+ honestly if we get nothing but those fucking alternate versions we've had for years and Wednesday and Electric Intercourse when there are dozens of songs from 1983 waiting to get out of the vault, that would be so cheap.

I am sometimes baffled at how unambitious AND inaccurate those PR wishlists have been ever since the remaster has been announced.

I'm high-fiving you on the Time, Dez, & A6 stuff. If people want that sort of compilation, one exists already.

I think things like "Wednesday" and "Electric Intercourse" should be part of it, but not the apex of the set overall. Things like "Father's Song", "Possessed" should be there, and just a nicer sound (as much as possible) on the existing album, the singles and b-sides. Some of those things never got out on CD, and none of them have been retweaked or remastered until now.

I think it's important here not to make a wide sweep of everything remotely related to PR. What's important is to highlight what exists, and compile it in a way that showcases the entire project as an album. The outtakes listed above are important because they were in the mix somewhere, and were part of things, and have a history and legend behind them. They have their own legacy just because we know about them as we do (whether it's the video of "Electric Intercourse" or the background track of "Possessed" in PR). What was in the pot while the movie was being cooked? What ingredients were added, and taken out? What did the synergy of one thing create, and is that thing part of the fibre of the project overall? Those are the ways to approach this.

It seems most fans have listed the outtakes above, have a desire to the 12" & b-sides, and a remastering overall. That's logical. What isn't logical is to start throwing Dez, The Time, and A6 in there, or the score, or the door handle sound when Wendy came into the dressing room, or the damn puppet "all you need is me" sampled into something. That's when logic has taken a backseat, and lunacy is at the wheel.

TrivialPursuit said:

databank said:

The Time, Dez and A6 songs, as well as G-Spot, have no fucking business being on a PR remaster so no, that would NOT be nice.

+ honestly if we get nothing but those fucking alternate versions we've had for years and Wednesday and Electric Intercourse when there are dozens of songs from 1983 waiting to get out of the vault, that would be so cheap.

I am sometimes baffled at how unambitious AND inaccurate those PR wishlists have been ever since the remaster has been announced.

I'm high-fiving you on the Time, Dez, & A6 stuff. If people want that sort of compilation, one exists already.

I think things like "Wednesday" and "Electric Intercourse" should be part of it, but not the apex of the set overall. Things like "Father's Song", "Possessed" should be there, and just a nicer sound (as much as possible) on the existing album, the singles and b-sides. Some of those things never got out on CD, and none of them have been retweaked or remastered until now.

I think it's important here not to make a wide sweep of everything remotely related to PR. What's important is to highlight what exists, and compile it in a way that showcases the entire project as an album. The outtakes listed above are important because they were in the mix somewhere, and were part of things, and have a history and legend behind them. They have their own legacy just because we know about them as we do (whether it's the video of "Electric Intercourse" or the background track of "Possessed" in PR). What was in the pot while the movie was being cooked? What ingredients were added, and taken out? What did the synergy of one thing create, and is that thing part of the fibre of the project overall? Those are the ways to approach this.

It seems most fans have listed the outtakes above, have a desire to the 12" & b-sides, and a remastering overall. That's logical. What isn't logical is to start throwing Dez, The Time, and A6 in there, or the score, or the door handle sound when Wendy came into the dressing room, or the damn puppet "all you need is me" sampled into something. That's when logic has taken a backseat, and lunacy is at the wheel.

Completely agree. My earlier guess was more based on what I think they'll put there, not what I would like to see.

It depends on what direction they take it in.

If it's a Deluxe edition of a soundtrack, then yes, the A6, Time, and Dez tunes should be present as well as the other songs that are represented in the film.

If it's a Deluze edition of a Prince album, then known tunes that were considered for the film (Wednesday, Possessed, Electric Intercourse) are what should be on an extended edition. Maybe the Prince studio version of the Time songs if the guide vocals are up to snuff. The story is that Prince wrote scores of tunes for the project, which in itself doesn't mean anything if they weren't recorded in any form, but there are likely items that we don't know about somewhere that were finished and not followed up on. Having worked on projects where there is a lot of output being written while recording in the studio, it's a lot easier to forget about a piece than you might think.

My hope is that we might get some of that, but to quote Same jackson, "That's an unknown unknown! We were working off the known unknowns. You can't plan for an unknown unknown!"

TheDigitalGardener said:

TwiliteKid said:

rusty1 said: What makes you think there's an extended "17 Days"?

Apparently there is, it was confirmed by madhouseman a few years ago on this thread http://prince.org/msg/7/64156

It does exist. I detail the recording of it in the upcoming book. Sorry it is taking so long to get this book out there, but publishing a book is completely different than writing one! lol

Should have information about it being published very soon. Looking forward to sharing this project with all of you.

Well if Prince 4Ever is an indication on how the estate will handle his catalogue then I don't think there's going to be much of value on it.

Certainly hope I'm wrong though.

sro100 said:

Well if Prince 4Ever is an indication on how the estate will handle his catalogue then I don't think there's going to be much of value on it.

Certainly hope I'm wrong though.

I agree, they have set the bar low, with that first release. It's a jack move alright.

thedance said:

once again...

someone posted this in the other thread.I'd be satisfied with something like this

Purple Rain (Deluxe edition)

Disc 1 (the remaster)

Lets Go Crazy

Take Me with U

The Beautiful Ones

Darling Nikki

When Doves Cry

I Would Die 4 U

Baby I'm a star

Purple Rain

Disc 2 (the rare)

Jungle Love

Modernaire

Sex Shooter

The Bird

Electric Intercourse

G Spot

God (instrumental)

Possessed

God

17 days

Fathers Song

Erotic City

Wednesday

Another Lonely Christmas (Full version)

Syndicate

Hello How are you?

Disc 3 (the remixes)

Lets Go Crazy 12"

Take Me with (unreleased full version)

Computer Blue (Unreleased full version)

The Beautiful Ones (unreleased full version)

Darling Nikki (unreleased full version)

I would die 4 U (12" Version")

When Does Cry (Unreleased original version)

Purple Rain (Orchestral Version)

Disc 4 (Live)

Syracuse Live DVD

this..... yes...
Disc 5 (Night club live, DVD)
Live at First Avenue, Minneapolis,
Minnesota Dance Theatre Benefit concert, 3. Aug. 1983

Let's Go Crazy
When You Were Mine
A Case Of You (Joni Mitchell cover)
Computer Blue
Delirious
Electric Intercourse
Automatic
I Would Die 4 U . (basic recording used for Purple Rain)
Baby I'm A Star . (basic recording used for Purple Rain)
Little Red Corvette
Purple Rain . (basic recording used for Purple Rain)
D.M.S.R.

That was from my post a few years back, up to disc 4 anyway. Someone added disc 5.

TrivialPursuit said:

RODSERLING said:

You can be sure there will be CLOREEN BACON SKIN. It was from the PR sessions, Prince released it in Crystal ball, but Warner has the rights for this track.

It was done during the 1999 tour, actually (same day as "My Summertime Thing" and one day away from "Jungle Love").

Not sure where you get your information from, or if you're just trolling, but WB has zero rights to the song. Prince owned it, Prince released it himself. Anything unreleased remained under Prince's ownership. It's only when he turned over a completed album to WB, it got a catalog & UPC code, and was set for released did WB gain rights to the masters. The vault was Prince's. Even Prince said, "I never gave the best stuff to WB", meaning he kept it for himself, for now. He owned it.

And to have CBS on PR deluxe is an atrocity I'd like to not see happen.

Rodserling has never been trolling, he's a respectable orger

InwardJim said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I'm high-fiving you on the Time, Dez, & A6 stuff. If people want that sort of compilation, one exists already.

I think things like "Wednesday" and "Electric Intercourse" should be part of it, but not the apex of the set overall. Things like "Father's Song", "Possessed" should be there, and just a nicer sound (as much as possible) on the existing album, the singles and b-sides. Some of those things never got out on CD, and none of them have been retweaked or remastered until now.

I think it's important here not to make a wide sweep of everything remotely related to PR. What's important is to highlight what exists, and compile it in a way that showcases the entire project as an album. The outtakes listed above are important because they were in the mix somewhere, and were part of things, and have a history and legend behind them. They have their own legacy just because we know about them as we do (whether it's the video of "Electric Intercourse" or the background track of "Possessed" in PR). What was in the pot while the movie was being cooked? What ingredients were added, and taken out? What did the synergy of one thing create, and is that thing part of the fibre of the project overall? Those are the ways to approach this.

It seems most fans have listed the outtakes above, have a desire to the 12" & b-sides, and a remastering overall. That's logical. What isn't logical is to start throwing Dez, The Time, and A6 in there, or the score, or the door handle sound when Wendy came into the dressing room, or the damn puppet "all you need is me" sampled into something. That's when logic has taken a backseat, and lunacy is at the wheel.

Completely agree. My earlier guess was more based on what I think they'll put there, not what I would like to see.

It depends on what direction they take it in.

If it's a Deluxe edition of a soundtrack, then yes, the A6, Time, and Dez tunes should be present as well as the other songs that are represented in the film.

If it's a Deluze edition of a Prince album, then known tunes that were considered for the film (Wednesday, Possessed, Electric Intercourse) are what should be on an extended edition. Maybe the Prince studio version of the Time songs if the guide vocals are up to snuff. The story is that Prince wrote scores of tunes for the project, which in itself doesn't mean anything if they weren't recorded in any form, but there are likely items that we don't know about somewhere that were finished and not followed up on. Having worked on projects where there is a lot of output being written while recording in the studio, it's a lot easier to forget about a piece than you might think.

My hope is that we might get some of that, but to quote Same jackson, "That's an unknown unknown! We were working off the known unknowns. You can't plan for an unknown unknown!"

WB and the estate have to think as curators and archivists, not just throw in whatever cross their minds the way some orgers do. Those projects should be carefully thought, with a true consideration to which song belongs where and what is most relevant to release because not everything is relevant (not to say certain things should remain unreleased forever but a different solution has to be found, maybe a digital store, when it comes to releasing 5 different cuts of Computer Blue or relatively uninteresting 30 seconds longfer edits of album songs).

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PR is a deluxe edition of a Prince album. There are albums titled Ice Cream Castle and Apollonia 6, that are themselves indeed of a deluxe edition remaster, and that's where those Time/A6 tracks belong. As for Modernaire neither WB nor the estate have the rights to that one. It would be welcome on a compilation of songs given to others and collaborations but not on PR, and anyway I doubt WB would care to give-up on some money just to licence it from Dez.

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G-Spot could possibly belong on 3 projects: if one considers V6 and A6 to be 2 separate projects, songs that were made for V6's second album could be included on a V6 rerelease. However, given that A6 was merelt a continuation of V6, I would personally be tempted to include those on an A6 rerelease. BUT at the end of the day G-Spot ended-up on Jill Jones and since I think we all agree that rereleases of side-projects should include Prince's vocal tracks for the songs, then JJ is whete Prince's cut of G-Spot should be included at the end, since it's where Prince finally chose to feature the song.

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Cloreen Baconskin was released on CB, which is a canonical album, and belongs on CB the same way Rave belongs on Rave not Batman, or JIR belongs on GB not on a SOTT remaster, regardless of recording dates (though I'd be in favor of exceptional releases of the original Rave or CB that would, of course, feature those tracks, but here we're talking configuration not random outtakes thrown in as bonus).

.

Besides, I believe remasters should first and foremost include anything that was released under the name "Prince" or "Prince And..." in association to the project in question: therefore a PR remaster should not only include the extended mixes and b-sides but also the 7 edits even if somewhat redundant, the audio and video versions of the music videos (audio when different edits or live), of the related TV appearances (there were 2 for PR) and if technically possible (they may have not been catalogued or been lost) the audio and video of the live songs that were sent to various TV channels at the time to promote the tour. Incidental music by Prince that was featured in the PR movie would be a nice addition too, though not essential.

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The Double Live concert could be rereleased as a separate project or in association with PR but, if released as a video extension of the PR project should include the videos mentionned above. An audio version of the whole show should also be associated. Obviously the August 1983 show has a historic importance that justifies a release in both audio and video.

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This is for a truly comprehensive project, but WB is more likely to take the way of a cheap 2-CD release anyway.

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As for outtakes and unreleased there is of course a need for some, carefully selected alternate versions (extended 17 Days if interesting, one Computer Blue version at least, maybe WDC with bass...) but mostly what would IMHO fit with Prince's vision would be a carefully organised album made of 10 previously unreleased songs from that era. It is possible that Prince actually did compile such a "PR2" album before he passed and that it is what WB was teasing, but it's uncertain.

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And finally, a wonderful digital addition could be all the unreleased early configurations of any given album that could be sold separately or avalaible as a free bonus with a code to whomever purchases the whole package in either physical or digital. But maybe that would belong on an alternative outlet such as a digital store, alongside those countless, relatively uninteresting alternate edits of released songs that I was talking about above.

[Edited 12/1/16 18:09pm]

TrivialPursuit said:

RODSERLING said:

You can be sure there will be CLOREEN BACON SKIN. It was from the PR sessions, Prince released it in Crystal ball, but Warner has the rights for this track.

It was done during the 1999 tour, actually (same day as "My Summertime Thing" and one day away from "Jungle Love").

Not sure where you get your information from, or if you're just trolling, but WB has zero rights to the song. Prince owned it, Prince released it himself. Anything unreleased remained under Prince's ownership. It's only when he turned over a completed album to WB, it got a catalog & UPC code, and was set for released did WB gain rights to the masters. The vault was Prince's. Even Prince said, "I never gave the best stuff to WB", meaning he kept it for himself, for now. He owned it.

And to have CBS on PR deluxe is an atrocity I'd like to not see happen.

BTW consensus, based on an unambiguous statement by Alan Leeds and various observed facts, is that WB in fact owned the rights to anything recorded between 1978 and 1995, studio or live, and that Prince defied them by releasing all that vault stuff between 98 and 01 (he actually did rerelease several WB released songs at that time, which shows that he didn't care much about legality). WB didn't have copies of the material of course, but they theorically had a right to release it.

Of course if true this ended in 2014 when P recovered ownership of his masters, though it is possible that the exclusive distribution deal e xtends to vault material from those years.

Adorecream said:

Don't forget the protege songs.

.

1. Jungle Love - The Time

2. The Bird - The Time

3. Modernaire - The Modernaires (Please!!!!!!)

4. Sex Shooter - Apollonia 6

.

Also would love to see besides all the songs described

.

Climax - Purple Rain era instrumental

Chocolate - ditto

Unreleased Vanity 6 2nd album tracks - Wet Dreams Cousin, Vibrator and Sex Shooter with Vanity Vocals.

.

Would it be too late for Roadhouse garden and Possessed to end up on it, along with White Girls.

.

But Electric Intercourse better be on that shit, along with the 15 minutes of Computer Blue.

Goddess4Real said:

Adorecream said:

Don't forget the protege songs.

.

1. Jungle Love - The Time

2. The Bird - The Time

3. Modernaire - The Modernaires (Please!!!!!!)

4. Sex Shooter - Apollonia 6

.

Also would love to see besides all the songs described

.

Climax - Purple Rain era instrumental

Chocolate - ditto

Unreleased Vanity 6 2nd album tracks - Wet Dreams Cousin, Vibrator and Sex Shooter with Vanity Vocals.

.

Would it be too late for Roadhouse garden and Possessed to end up on it, along with White Girls.

.

But Electric Intercourse better be on that shit, along with the 15 minutes of Computer Blue.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but those saying "it's WB, so it will only contain the bare minimum" need to take a look at WB/Rhino's reissues of the first five a-ha albums.

I believe they'll give us everything they have actual access to. THAT's the big question...

It's a fantasy thread.

Trust me, you'll enjoy it more once you pull that stick out if your ass.