databank said:

RODSERLING said:

You can be sure there will be CLOREEN BACON SKIN. It was from the PR sessions, Prince released it in Crystal ball, but Warner has the rights for this track.

Well Warner kind of lost the rights to it when Prince put a (p) sticker on it on CB in 1998, so unless they sue they don't have any automatic right to it anymore. + technically it was the ICC sessions not PR (even though they were contemporary).

+ honestly, and once again, they'd have to be insane to try and cheat us like that... putting a 15 mn song that belongs on another released album that we all have on a PR remaster?

People on the org have the strangest ideas sometimes

The strangest ideas wer not to release PLEC ELEC and AOA THE SAME DAY instead of PR deluxe in 2014 ?

To release a sixth greatest hits 8 monts after his death with the same tracks as HITS 1 and 2 safe for 4 or 5 tracks ?

TrivialPursuit said:

RODSERLING said:

You can be sure there will be CLOREEN BACON SKIN. It was from the PR sessions, Prince released it in Crystal ball, but Warner has the rights for this track.

It was done during the 1999 tour, actually (same day as "My Summertime Thing" and one day away from "Jungle Love").

Not sure where you get your information from, or if you're just trolling, but WB has zero rights to the song. Prince owned it, Prince released it himself. Anything unreleased remained under Prince's ownership. It's only when he turned over a completed album to WB, it got a catalog & UPC code, and was set for released did WB gain rights to the masters. The vault was Prince's. Even Prince said, "I never gave the best stuff to WB", meaning he kept it for himself, for now. He owned it.

And to have CBS on PR deluxe is an atrocity I'd like to not see happen.

Prince was prevented by Warner from releasing Crystal BAll 2, because these tracks were recorded with Warner money. Everybody know that.

So they didn't sue Prince because it would have been too embarassing , but gave him a clear warning. The sampler with 700 samples that was to be released in 1999 was surely cancelled for the same reason.

madhouseman said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Apparently there is, it was confirmed by madhouseman a few years ago on this thread http://prince.org/msg/7/64156

It does exist. I detail the recording of it in the upcoming book. Sorry it is taking so long to get this book out there, but publishing a book is completely different than writing one! lol

Should have information about it being published very soon. Looking forward to sharing this project with all of you.

Thanks for the update on the book.

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Well Warner kind of lost the rights to it when Prince put a (p) sticker on it on CB in 1998, so unless they sue they don't have any automatic right to it anymore. + technically it was the ICC sessions not PR (even though they were contemporary).

+ honestly, and once again, they'd have to be insane to try and cheat us like that... putting a 15 mn song that belongs on another released album that we all have on a PR remaster?

People on the org have the strangest ideas sometimes

The strangest ideas wer not to release PLEC ELEC and AOA THE SAME DAY instead of PR deluxe in 2014 ?

To release a sixth greatest hits 8 monts after his death with the same tracks as HITS 1 and 2 safe for 4 or 5 tracks ?

My point was that we are supposed to be a community of experts who've been studying the subject for decades, and yet many people often post ideas or suggestions that are very much amateurish or sound like uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan.

Back in 2014 when the first thread like this one was made, I published a very comprehensive and organized list of all the previously released material that belonged on a PR remaster: most repliers chose to ignore it and instead commented on some absurd tracklists posted by other contributors. That says a lot (sigh).

I'm just trying to be on the side of rationality here. When I wonder what should be rereleased and how, I'm trying to make sense of how to rationally and respectfully organize a canon, not just throwing in whatever crosses my mind at any particular moment without giving it a second thought. Obviously there is no perfect or absolute editorial choices, but at least editorial choices can and should be based on a systemic approach, not some sort of "just throw in what I like" approach.

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

The strangest ideas wer not to release PLEC ELEC and AOA THE SAME DAY instead of PR deluxe in 2014 ?

To release a sixth greatest hits 8 monts after his death with the same tracks as HITS 1 and 2 safe for 4 or 5 tracks ?

My point was that we are supposed to be a community of experts who've been studying the subject for decades, and yet many people often post ideas or suggestions that are very much amateurish or sound like uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan.

Back in 2014 when the first thread like this one was made, I published a very comprehensive and organized list of all the previously released material that belonged on a PR remaster: most repliers chose to ignore it and instead commented on some absurd tracklists posted by other contributors. That says a lot (sigh).

I'm just trying to be on the side of rationality here. When I wonder what should be rereleased and how, I'm trying to make sense of how to rationally and respectfully organize a canon, not just throwing in whatever crosses my mind at any particular moment without giving it a second thought. Obviously there is no perfect or absolute editorial choices, but at least editorial choices can and should be based on a systemic approach, not some sort of "just throw in what I like" approach.

Do you have a link?

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

The strangest ideas wer not to release PLEC ELEC and AOA THE SAME DAY instead of PR deluxe in 2014 ?

To release a sixth greatest hits 8 monts after his death with the same tracks as HITS 1 and 2 safe for 4 or 5 tracks ?

My point was that we are supposed to be a community of experts who've been studying the subject for decades, and yet many people often post ideas or suggestions that are very much amateurish or sound like uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan.

Back in 2014 when the first thread like this one was made, I published a very comprehensive and organized list of all the previously released material that belonged on a PR remaster: most repliers chose to ignore it and instead commented on some absurd tracklists posted by other contributors. That says a lot (sigh).

I'm just trying to be on the side of rationality here. When I wonder what should be rereleased and how, I'm trying to make sense of how to rationally and respectfully organize a canon, not just throwing in whatever crosses my mind at any particular moment without giving it a second thought. Obviously there is no perfect or absolute editorial choices, but at least editorial choices can and should be based on a systemic approach, not some sort of "just throw in what I like" approach.

Gotta say you sound very arrogant in that statement alone. Then to say what other songs people posted was amateurish or sounded uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan. No wonder people ignored your post if you talk about other people on the org like that The snobbery by some fans is unbelievable. No wonder people leave the org.

TrivialPursuit said:

Not sure where you get your information from, or if you're just trolling, but WB has zero rights to the song. Prince owned it, Prince released it himself. Anything unreleased remained under Prince's ownership. It's only when he turned over a completed album to WB, it got a catalog & UPC code, and was set for released did WB gain rights to the masters. The vault was Prince's. Even Prince said, "I never gave the best stuff to WB", meaning he kept it for himself, for now. He owned it.

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Alan Leeds disagrees. And countless deluxe editions do as well.

databank said:

Goddess4Real said:

Come on Data, you know the protege material needs to be on there.

Guitarhero said:

databank said:

My point was that we are supposed to be a community of experts who've been studying the subject for decades, and yet many people often post ideas or suggestions that are very much amateurish or sound like uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan.

Back in 2014 when the first thread like this one was made, I published a very comprehensive and organized list of all the previously released material that belonged on a PR remaster: most repliers chose to ignore it and instead commented on some absurd tracklists posted by other contributors. That says a lot (sigh).

I'm just trying to be on the side of rationality here. When I wonder what should be rereleased and how, I'm trying to make sense of how to rationally and respectfully organize a canon, not just throwing in whatever crosses my mind at any particular moment without giving it a second thought. Obviously there is no perfect or absolute editorial choices, but at least editorial choices can and should be based on a systemic approach, not some sort of "just throw in what I like" approach.

Gotta say you sound very arrogant in that statement alone. Then to say what other songs people posted was amateurish or sounded uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan. No wonder people ignored your post if you talk about other people on the org like that The snobbery by some fans is unbelievable. No wonder people leave the org.

And who are you?

Joined:

July 5th 2015

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

Come on Data, you know the protege material needs to be on there.

I'm so gonna spank u

thedance said:

This would be perfect.It has everything we want.

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

The strangest ideas wer not to release PLEC ELEC and AOA THE SAME DAY instead of PR deluxe in 2014 ?

To release a sixth greatest hits 8 monts after his death with the same tracks as HITS 1 and 2 safe for 4 or 5 tracks ?

My point was that we are supposed to be a community of experts who've been studying the subject for decades, and yet many people often post ideas or suggestions that are very much amateurish or sound like uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan.

Back in 2014 when the first thread like this one was made, I published a very comprehensive and organized list of all the previously released material that belonged on a PR remaster: most repliers chose to ignore it and instead commented on some absurd tracklists posted by other contributors. That says a lot (sigh).

I'm just trying to be on the side of rationality here. When I wonder what should be rereleased and how, I'm trying to make sense of how to rationally and respectfully organize a canon, not just throwing in whatever crosses my mind at any particular moment without giving it a second thought. Obviously there is no perfect or absolute editorial choices, but at least editorial choices can and should be based on a systemic approach, not some sort of "just throw in what I like" approach.

I'm not the kind of person who claims delirious things...But you apparently didn't know the story with Crystal Ball 2 !

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Think and be logical : If Warner had the rights to issue unreleased tracks, don't you think they would have released PURPLE RAIN deluxe by now ? Like, for the 30 th anniversary two years ago?

Or like, following his death to increase sales ?

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Don't you think they would have already released the tracklist? The release date ? If Prince really gave them something in 2014, why can't they announce 8 months after his death, a release date, a tracklist, a cover...This give even the impression that PR deluxe will be push back beyond the first quarter of the year.

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Even for 4EVER, they really tried to make TMBGITW and other post 1993 material appear, but they failed. They mistakely announced it in the official press release ! That, is amateurish.

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I don't think they have so many tracks available in a good shape, and CLOREEN BACON SKIN is already something they can pick up, instead of negociating with the estate, and find something in the vault that is highly deteriorated.

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

My point was that we are supposed to be a community of experts who've been studying the subject for decades, and yet many people often post ideas or suggestions that are very much amateurish or sound like uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan.

Back in 2014 when the first thread like this one was made, I published a very comprehensive and organized list of all the previously released material that belonged on a PR remaster: most repliers chose to ignore it and instead commented on some absurd tracklists posted by other contributors. That says a lot (sigh).

I'm just trying to be on the side of rationality here. When I wonder what should be rereleased and how, I'm trying to make sense of how to rationally and respectfully organize a canon, not just throwing in whatever crosses my mind at any particular moment without giving it a second thought. Obviously there is no perfect or absolute editorial choices, but at least editorial choices can and should be based on a systemic approach, not some sort of "just throw in what I like" approach.

I'm not the kind of person who claims delirious things...But you apparently didn't know the story with Crystal Ball 2 !

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Think and be logical : If Warner had the rights to issue unreleased tracks, don't you think they would have released PURPLE RAIN deluxe by now ? Like, for the 30 th anniversary two years ago?

Or like, following his death to increase sales ?

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Don't you think they would have already released the tracklist? The release date ? If Prince really gave them something in 2014, why can't they announce 8 months after his death, a release date, a tracklist, a cover...This give even the impression that PR deluxe will be push back beyond the first quarter of the year.

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Even for 4EVER, they really tried to make TMBGITW and other post 1993 material appear, but they failed. They mistakely announced it in the official press release ! That, is amateurish.

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I don't think they have so many tracks available in a good shape, and CLOREEN BACON SKIN is already something they can pick up, instead of negociating with the estate, and find something in the vault that is highly deteriorated.

OK so first just so no one misunderstands this convo u and I r cool and I'm supercool with u as a c contributor to this board.

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I actually am the one orger who actually first brought-up the WB vs. CB2 theory (because it's never been confirmed so it's a theory), based on a statement Alan Leeds made on HQ, regarding an unrelated topic.

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We do not know what happened with TMBGITW, beware of turning theories into facts: there r teenagers reading the org.

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The point is that if the estate and WB have, and I guess they do, a good business relationship, WB oughta be able to pick-up anything they want. However as far as copyright goes, as of todat Cloreen Baconskin is (p) NPG Records. It's not (p) WB. WB wants to sue the estae to get it back, they can and they may, but as of today they simply don't have it because Prince copyrighted it first even t hough he thorically wasn't entitled to. FACT.

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Another point is that we, the fans, is the main target audience for any remaster. If WB wants to get online bashing, antagonize the target audience for their Prince products, let them be my guest and put Cloreen Bacon Skin on PR Deluxe. But I do not believe the execs at WB are either stupid or unprofessional. They want us to buy their product. They won't treat us like shit.

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

I'm not the kind of person who claims delirious things...But you apparently didn't know the story with Crystal Ball 2 !

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Think and be logical : If Warner had the rights to issue unreleased tracks, don't you think they would have released PURPLE RAIN deluxe by now ? Like, for the 30 th anniversary two years ago?

Or like, following his death to increase sales ?

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Don't you think they would have already released the tracklist? The release date ? If Prince really gave them something in 2014, why can't they announce 8 months after his death, a release date, a tracklist, a cover...This give even the impression that PR deluxe will be push back beyond the first quarter of the year.

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Even for 4EVER, they really tried to make TMBGITW and other post 1993 material appear, but they failed. They mistakely announced it in the official press release ! That, is amateurish.

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I don't think they have so many tracks available in a good shape, and CLOREEN BACON SKIN is already something they can pick up, instead of negociating with the estate, and find something in the vault that is highly deteriorated.

OK so first just so no one misunderstands this convo u and I r cool and I'm supercool with u as a c contributor to this board.

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I actually am the one orger who actually first brought-up the WB vs. CB2 theory (because it's never been confirmed so it's a theory), based on a statement Alan Leeds made on HQ, regarding an unrelated topic.

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We do not know what happened with TMBGITW, beware of turning theories into facts: there r teenagers reading the org.

.

The point is that if the estate and WB have, and I guess they do, a good business relationship, WB oughta be able to pick-up anything they want. However as far as copyright goes, as of todat Cloreen Baconskin is (p) NPG Records. It's not (p) WB. WB wants to sue the estae to get it back, they can and they may, but as of today they simply don't have it because Prince copyrighted it first even t hough he thorically wasn't entitled to. FACT.

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Another point is that we, the fans, is the main target audience for any remaster. If WB wants to get online bashing, antagonize the target audience for their Prince products, let them be my guest and put Cloreen Bacon Skin on PR Deluxe. But I do not believe the execs at WB are either stupid or unprofessional. They want us to buy their product. They won't treat us like shit.

TMBGITW is one of the biggest hits of Prince, and you think they didn't want to include it on 4ever ? If they are in good relation with the estate, why don't they let Warner use this and other post Warner material ?

They even get to use BATDANCE, so you can bet they must have made financial concessions.

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You have a bad memory of the music industry, especially of Warner Bros.

Remember Thriller 25 ? The unreleased song was from the DANGEROUS sessions (!)

Remember the album "MICHAEL" ? 3 of the songs were fake ! And this is SOny music, this is John Branca, one of the best business lawyer of the music industry, if not the best. Commercial suicide.

Remember PLEC ELEC and AOA ? They were released the same fucking day, as if it was already not a pain in the ass to sell one Prince album at a time. Commercial suicide.

Remember 4EVER ? Just a rehash of THE HITS with one unreleased song with no post-warner material ! Commercial suicide.

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Fans will not be the main target of this release, I'm sorry. They know fans aren't enough to sell this. Just see the sales of AOA, PLEC ELEC, HNR 1 and 2...Even the fans didn't buy them. They want casual buyers, they want nostalgic people from the 80's.

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I'm just saying that CLOREEN BACON SKIN would be for them a nice opportunity to have a track from the PR sessions without spending any money. Prince licenced it to NPG, but what does that worth in the real world ? Nobody will make a trial for this crap.

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Everybody suspects Prince never gave them anything, besides surely unsellable material. Because, as you said, if WBR was so professional, they would have already released it more than 2 years ago, or just at the time of his death. That mean they have great difficulties to fill a tracklist for a second disc with something unreleased.

1. "Let's Go Crazy" (Special Dance Mix) – 7:35
2. "Erotic City ("make love not war Erotic City come alive")" – 7:24
3. The Beautifl Ones longer version : 6:04
4. Computer Blue : 14 min / the 7 :30 version is more probable
5. 17 days : 3:55
6. I Would Die 4 U" (extended version) – 10:15
7. Another Lonely Christmas" (extended version) – 6:47
8. When doves Cry : demo version or with bass : about 6 min
9. God" (vocal) – 3:59
10. Electric Intercourse : about 5 min

My guess.

[Edited 12/3/16 2:10am]

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

OK so first just so no one misunderstands this convo u and I r cool and I'm supercool with u as a c contributor to this board.

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I actually am the one orger who actually first brought-up the WB vs. CB2 theory (because it's never been confirmed so it's a theory), based on a statement Alan Leeds made on HQ, regarding an unrelated topic.

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We do not know what happened with TMBGITW, beware of turning theories into facts: there r teenagers reading the org.

.

The point is that if the estate and WB have, and I guess they do, a good business relationship, WB oughta be able to pick-up anything they want. However as far as copyright goes, as of todat Cloreen Baconskin is (p) NPG Records. It's not (p) WB. WB wants to sue the estae to get it back, they can and they may, but as of today they simply don't have it because Prince copyrighted it first even t hough he thorically wasn't entitled to. FACT.

.

Another point is that we, the fans, is the main target audience for any remaster. If WB wants to get online bashing, antagonize the target audience for their Prince products, let them be my guest and put Cloreen Bacon Skin on PR Deluxe. But I do not believe the execs at WB are either stupid or unprofessional. They want us to buy their product. They won't treat us like shit.

TMBGITW is one of the biggest hits of Prince, and you think they didn't want to include it on 4ever ? If they are in good relation with the estate, why don't they let Warner use this and other post Warner material ?

They even get to use BATDANCE, so you can bet they must have made financial concessions.

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You have a bad memory of the music industry, especially of Warner Bros.

Remember Thriller 25 ? The unreleased song was from the DANGEROUS sessions (!)

Remember the album "MICHAEL" ? 3 of the songs were fake ! And this is SOny music, this is John Branca, one of the best business lawyer of the music industry, if not the best. Commercial suicide.

Remember PLEC ELEC and AOA ? They were released the same fucking day, as if it was already not a pain in the ass to sell one Prince album at a time. Commercial suicide.

Remember 4EVER ? Just a rehash of THE HITS with one unreleased song with no post-warner material ! Commercial suicide.

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Fans will not be the main target of this release, I'm sorry. They know fans aren't enough to sell this. Just see the sales of AOA, PLEC ELEC, HNR 1 and 2...Even the fans didn't buy them. They want casual buyers, they want nostalgic people from the 80's.

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I'm just saying that CLOREEN BACON SKIN would be for them a nice opportunity to have a track from the PR sessions without spending any money. Prince licenced it to NPG, but what does that worth in the real world ? Nobody will make a trial for this crap.

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Everybody suspects Prince never gave them anything, besides surely unsellable material. Because, as you said, if WBR was so professional, they would have already released it more than 2 years ago, or just at the time of his death. That mean they have great difficulties to fill a tracklist for a second disc with something unreleased.

I wasn't aware of those MJ stories.

PlecEl and 4ever are irrelevant examples IMHO, because they have to be taken in context.

As for the rest we don't know shit. We can assume. I tend to avoid assuming because the next thing u know people turn assumption into facts and it becomes a urban legend.

I can't deny anything u say. I just hope for the best. Given how fans have treated Prince those last 20 years, WB may be ready for a major shitstorm if they fuck that up. But it's their problem not mine.

Remember the album "MICHAEL" ? 3 of the songs were fake ! And this is SOny music, this is John Branca, one of the best business lawyer of the music industry, if not the best. Commercial suicide.

Wrong. I've just checked Wikipedia. This has never been proven. U can't possibly turn a suspiscion into a fact. Please be factual and refrain from spreading hoaxes. The correct sentence is "3 of the songs are suspected by some to be fake".

As for the Thriller/Dangerous track u are a little bit twisting the facts: from what I can find the song was recorded during Thriller then reworked during Dangerous. Wrong to release that version on a Thriller reissue? Yes. But not totally unrelated from the project as you suggest.

Please be factual. I didn't know you for spreading hoaxes before.

databank said:

Remember the album "MICHAEL" ? 3 of the songs were fake ! And this is SOny music, this is John Branca, one of the best business lawyer of the music industry, if not the best. Commercial suicide.

Wrong. I've just checked Wikipedia. This has never been proven. U can't possibly turn a suspiscion into a fact. Please be factual and refrain from spreading hoaxes. The correct sentence is "3 of the songs are suspected by some to be fake".

As for the Thriller/Dangerous track u are a little bit twisting the facts: from what I can find the song was recorded during Thriller then reworked during Dangerous. Wrong to release that version on a Thriller reissue? Yes. But not totally unrelated from the project as you suggest.

Please be factual. I didn't know you for spreading hoaxes before.

The 3 fakes on MICHAEL are factual...Just listen to the songs ! This has already be proven massively by the fans. Even Teddy Riley who produced this crap finally told on his twitter years ago that he was sorry and that one day the truth will be revealed...You don't think that Sony will tell the world "yes we produced 3 fakes on the album" ?

And on the cover of the album SOny wrote "songs inspired by Michael JAckson" in order to protect them from eventual lawsuits.

Things don't have to be officialised to be factuals. Don't expect some truth from the entertainment industry.

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http://www.damienshields.com/teddy-riley-apologises-for-michael-album/

[Edited 12/3/16 3:24am]

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As for THRILLER 25, the unreleased track was written during the Thriller sessions, but MJ never recorded it before the DANGEROUS SESSIONS. That means in the 80's , Jackson never sang that song, and there is no recording from the Thriller sessions. But, anyway.

[Edited 12/3/16 3:29am]

The second disc on Purple Rain Deluxe could easily contain unreleased material with little relevance to Purple Rain at all.

Prince originally stated he was only delivering a remastered Purple Rain in its original form with no additions.

It's been reported that when Prince delivered the Purple Rain remaster, he also included an album of new or unreleased material. This may or may not be directly related to Purple Rain at all.
[Edited 12/3/16 3:39am]

Just to add, Prince may have wanted to include something 'new' with the old reissue.
[Edited 12/3/16 3:38am]

databank said:

Guitarhero said:

Gotta say you sound very arrogant in that statement alone. Then to say what other songs people posted was amateurish or sounded uneducated guesses by a 13 year old new fan. No wonder people ignored your post if you talk about other people on the org like that The snobbery by some fans is unbelievable. No wonder people leave the org.

And who are you?

Joined: July 5th 2015

Thats my point the snobbery i joined the Prince fam in 1980. Did not know you had to join in 2001 to have an opinion on all things Prince Every person who did not join the org at the beginning are looked down on like something under their shoe. Am out i will leave all you self appointed experts to it.

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OperatingThetan said:

Just to add, Prince may have wanted to include something 'new' with the old reissue.

Really good point there. Disc 2 could be a bunch of songs from 2013/14. Prince wanting to rope the nostalgia crowd into his current output.

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Wrong. I've just checked Wikipedia. This has never been proven. U can't possibly turn a suspiscion into a fact. Please be factual and refrain from spreading hoaxes. The correct sentence is "3 of the songs are suspected by some to be fake".

As for the Thriller/Dangerous track u are a little bit twisting the facts: from what I can find the song was recorded during Thriller then reworked during Dangerous. Wrong to release that version on a Thriller reissue? Yes. But not totally unrelated from the project as you suggest.

Please be factual. I didn't know you for spreading hoaxes before.

The 3 fakes on MICHAEL are factual...Just listen to the songs ! This has already be proven massively by the fans. Even Teddy Riley who produced this crap finally told on his twitter years ago that he was sorry and that one day the truth will be revealed...You don't think that Sony will tell the world "yes we produced 3 fakes on the album" ?

And on the cover of the album SOny wrote "songs inspired by Michael JAckson" in order to protect them from eventual lawsuits.

Things don't have to be officialised to be factuals. Don't expect some truth from the entertainment industry.

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http://www.damienshields.com/teddy-riley-apologises-for-michael-album/

[Edited 12/3/16 3:24am]

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As for THRILLER 25, the unreleased track was written during the Thriller sessions, but MJ never recorded it before the DANGEROUS SESSIONS. That means in the 80's , Jackson never sang that song, and there is no recording from the Thriller sessions. But, anyway.

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Er... do u realize what u're doing here? I've read ur article. It's an article about an ongoing controversy. Some say it's white, some say it's black. There is no definitive proof that either party is right or wrong. There wasn't any legal decision in that regard either. This is the factual truth, which is the only truth. After reading it, all I can honestly say is, those songs may be MJ, or not. I may have an opinion, I may take a stand, but the bottom line is I do not know.

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Now, based on this, you are saying that there is no controversy because you believe one party to be correct and your sole argument, at the end of the day, is that because you believe party A to be correct, then it is, and party B is wrong, period.

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And to justify this, you add a conspiracy-system argument, i.e. "you will never know the truth because, as everyone knows the all-powerful [illuminati/jews/freemason/politicians/corporateindustries/younameit] are and will be covering the facts."

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This means that your reasoning is based on three beliefs:

- You magically know the truth when no one else does, since no one has been able to prove that truth to be factual.

- There is a superior class of humans who can and will forever manipulate facts and hide truths from us mere mortals, so since because of them we cannot ever know anything, we can assume anything and/or everything to be true. This is called relativism: i.e. nothing is anything so anything can be anything (as opposed to everything is something even though I cannot necessarily be sure what it is)

- This has been proved by the fans, i.e. public rumor, i.e. if a majority of people believe something to be true, then it is necessarily true and no further proof is needed.

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I do not know whether you realise how, based on the laws of logic and 2000 years of philosophy, your reasoning and approach of reality is biased, but please by all means study Socrates, Plato and Aristotle and any further zetetic approach and you will realise how delusional your thinking is.

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I am terrified at the very notion that you may apply similar reasoning to politics and the education of your children if you have any.

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Maybe you will rethink it and acknowlege how biased your reasoning is, or maybe you will demonstrate that I misunderstood your reasoning (I may have and if so, I do and will apologize, it's late and I may have misread or misunderstood your post or the article you've posted)? But if you won't do either, this kind of reasoning, as far as I'm concerned, makes you an enemy of the human race as a whole, and someone who needs to be shut down as soon as possible, and by this I of course don't mean destroyed, but deprived of an internet connection at the very least.

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Peace, and be wild.

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Oh wow. Databank, what did you have for dinner last night?

NorthC said:

Oh wow. Databank, what did you have for dinner last night?

I came back from a party and I'm quite drunk but not that drunk that I can't structure my thinking as u can see. What I've written may sound like an attack against a person, it's not: it's an attack against a way of thinking that's becoming more and more dominant and that's slowly destrying our societies, corrupting democracy at its very base and leading to populist leaders being elected. Quite often when I write those kind of things people say "stop overthinking" and I just say "well how about u stop for FIVE minutes, reread what I've posted and START thinking". What I've written is pretty solid from a logic and intellectual standpoint. If anyone wishes to attack it and prove me wrong, I welcome the challenge. If the critic is that I'm overthinking then I say it's an "under the belt" hit: one can't "overthink", only underthink.

One certainly can overreact and I think that's what you did. I also believe one can "overthink", I've spent lots of time trying not too think too much about everything, but that's a different discussion. (Could be an interesting one.)
Back on track: I remember the press release said that the Purple Rain reissue would come with "a second album of previously unreleased material". So that leads me to believe that it's not going to be Erotic City and other b-sides, but genuine outtakes. Even if it's going to be stuff we already have on bootlegs, it could still be good.

NorthC said:

One certainly can overreact and I think that's what you did. I also believe one can "overthink", I've spent lots of time trying not too think too much about everything, but that's a different discussion. (Could be an interesting one.) Back on track: I remember the press release said that the Purple Rain reissue would come with "a second album of previously unreleased material". So that leads me to believe that it's not going to be Erotic City and other b-sides, but genuine outtakes. Even if it's going to be stuff we already have on bootlegs, it could still be good.

What u call overreacting is I think taking something as trivial as Prince and MJ (what do we care in the end) and make it a philosophical/political discussion. My perspective is that if u will let biased/dishonest thinking happen in unimportant topics because who cares, then u pave the way for the same when it comes to everything in life, including important topics. Me and Roserling were having a passionate discussion about a trivial topic and I passionately reacted not in regards to the topic itself but to the arguments that were presented to me. I feel this is fairplay. Look at little children, how they react when u try to cheat them with BS, they may not argue but they won't forget that u, the adult, have lied to them.

As to not overthinking in general I think one "overthinks" when it gets in the way of them enjoying life. I do enjoy life, I did a lot of cool stuff today, worked on things I enjoyed, went to a concert, then to a party, talked to a lot of people, kissed a girl, listened to a lot of loud music, it was a good day

Back to topic I, however, agree with u that WB has announced a thing and that, as far as I know, WB remaines the most repectable of the 3 majors, so I do expect a full length album of previously unreleased material.

Alright, we're cool. Hope you won't have a hangover tomorrow. Take care, dude.

Guitarhero said:

databank said:

And who are you?

Joined: July 5th 2015

Thats my point the snobbery i joined the Prince fam in 1980. Did not know you had to join in 2001 to have an opinion on all things Prince Every person who did not join the org at the beginning are looked down on like something under their shoe. Am out i will leave all you self appointed experts to it.

[Edited 12/3/16 5:10am]

Oh God... It's not a pissing contest, sorry I brought up the date it was wrong, OK? My point was more what have u done for this community? I did my share. U did ur homework though to know I've joined in 2001, I'm baffled.

False humility is a talent I don't master, I humbly leave it to the experts. When I'm wrong I gladly admit that I'm wrong but when I know my shit I know my shit, I'm not gonna apologize for knowing my shit and neither will I praise amateurs for ruining what I've always wanted to be a community of honest researchers.

There r many people here who know more than I do on many aspects of P's career. You have never seen nor will you ever see me dissing them.

But when people come-up with nonsense I call nonsense nonsense, and I'm not gonna apologize for that.

And when I know my shit I know my shit, I'm not gonna deny that either.

Sorry again for the pissing contest, though, that was wrong and I admit it.

NorthC said:

Alright, we're cool. Hope you won't have a hangover tomorrow. Take care, dude.