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Reply #30 posted 11/28/16 9:02am

Rimshottbob

Yeah.... I have no idea why anyone would trust a streaming service with their music... AT ALL.

For exactly this reason. And as for those who have the hard copies of these albums but are complaining that they're no longer available... what the hell?

In the time it took you to type up your complaint you could have ripped the discs to your hard drive, where no one can ever take them away from you...

Also, all those who are complaining that it was Prince's wish to have his music on Tidal and that this is somehow 'going against his wishes', or that his family are 'just after the dollars'... what the hell do you think Jay-Z is, a charity? Like that man wasn't only ever trying to bring some green into his failing business? Jeez....

And you all know what Prince was like.... with all due respect to the man, he chose Tidal last year! If he was still with us, he would most likely have changed his mind again and decided that his music should only be kept on stone tablets!

Keeping control of your music collection is easy, people.... you just have to do it yourself, not let some corporation do it for you, who care nothing about the music, they care only for contracts and profits.

There is no reason for you ever to go without an album, ever, as you look take responsiblity for that shit for yourself. This is why I have around 10,000 albums in my iTunes. I've ripped all my records and all my CDs (I've kept all the vinyl, ditched all but a few CDs and CD boxsets), and it's all on a drive and backed up on another. And I can listen to whatever I want, whenever I want. Some of it is on my iPod, and it's all stored on a small, plg'n'play 4TB hard drive, which is easy to transport.

Really, it's that simple. Why do people leave this stuff in the hands of corporates, if it's so important to them? (And don't tell me convenience.... this situation is not so convenient, is it?)

[Edited 11/28/16 9:03am]

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Reply #31 posted 11/28/16 9:18am

djThunderfunk

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Rimshottbob said:

Yeah.... I have no idea why anyone would trust a streaming service with their music... AT ALL.

For exactly this reason. And as for those who have the hard copies of these albums but are complaining that they're no longer available... what the hell?

In the time it took you to type up your complaint you could have ripped the discs to your hard drive, where no one can ever take them away from you...

Also, all those who are complaining that it was Prince's wish to have his music on Tidal and that this is somehow 'going against his wishes', or that his family are 'just after the dollars'... what the hell do you think Jay-Z is, a charity? Like that man wasn't only ever trying to bring some green into his failing business? Jeez....

And you all know what Prince was like.... with all due respect to the man, he chose Tidal last year! If he was still with us, he would most likely have changed his mind again and decided that his music should only be kept on stone tablets!

Keeping control of your music collection is easy, people.... you just have to do it yourself, not let some corporation do it for you, who care nothing about the music, they care only for contracts and profits.

There is no reason for you ever to go without an album, ever, as you look take responsiblity for that shit for yourself. This is why I have around 10,000 albums in my iTunes. I've ripped all my records and all my CDs (I've kept all the vinyl, ditched all but a few CDs and CD boxsets), and it's all on a drive and backed up on another. And I can listen to whatever I want, whenever I want. Some of it is on my iPod, and it's all stored on a small, plg'n'play 4TB hard drive, which is easy to transport.

Really, it's that simple. Why do people leave this stuff in the hands of corporates, if it's so important to them? (And don't tell me convenience.... this situation is not so convenient, is it?)

[Edited 11/28/16 9:03am]


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Reply #32 posted 11/28/16 9:44am

clairew1975

Rimshottbob said:

Yeah.... I have no idea why anyone would trust a streaming service with their music... AT ALL.

For exactly this reason. And as for those who have the hard copies of these albums but are complaining that they're no longer available... what the hell?

In the time it took you to type up your complaint you could have ripped the discs to your hard drive, where no one can ever take them away from you...

Also, all those who are complaining that it was Prince's wish to have his music on Tidal and that this is somehow 'going against his wishes', or that his family are 'just after the dollars'... what the hell do you think Jay-Z is, a charity? Like that man wasn't only ever trying to bring some green into his failing business? Jeez....

And you all know what Prince was like.... with all due respect to the man, he chose Tidal last year! If he was still with us, he would most likely have changed his mind again and decided that his music should only be kept on stone tablets!

Keeping control of your music collection is easy, people.... you just have to do it yourself, not let some corporation do it for you, who care nothing about the music, they care only for contracts and profits.

There is no reason for you ever to go without an album, ever, as you look take responsiblity for that shit for yourself. This is why I have around 10,000 albums in my iTunes. I've ripped all my records and all my CDs (I've kept all the vinyl, ditched all but a few CDs and CD boxsets), and it's all on a drive and backed up on another. And I can listen to whatever I want, whenever I want. Some of it is on my iPod, and it's all stored on a small, plg'n'play 4TB hard drive, which is easy to transport.

Really, it's that simple. Why do people leave this stuff in the hands of corporates, if it's so important to them? (And don't tell me convenience.... this situation is not so convenient, is it?)

[Edited 11/28/16 9:03am]

Ahhh the joys of ripping your CDs to iTunes.

BUT how many teens/young adults these days buy physical CDs or vinyl anymore? With so many free streaming services around where they can listen to anything (except Prince - only on Tidal) when they want, wherever they want, how many bother about purchasing the real thing?

I don't know many of my children's friends or my younger work colleagues who do.
Don't get me wrong, I'm old school, you make some valid points but I just wonder if today's generation see it the way we do. My children are 'meh' about buying music they just stream it via YouTube or through my Tidal account.

If Prince's music isn't available via a streaming service then how does the next generation ever know about his music (unless their parent(s) have ALL his albums).

My children know about Prince's music because I play it in my car alot but their friends have no idea who he is.

I subscribed to Tidal because Prince supported it and I don't have ALL his albums. It was £9.99 well spent.

I just don't think it's so easy to just dismiss streaming sites and just rip CDs - the answer is more complicated.

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Reply #33 posted 11/28/16 10:00am

laurarichardso
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OperatingThetan said:

clairew1975 said:

I downloaded and stored Prince's albums to 'My Music' and mine still play fine as well. Thank God!!! Really pissed at the Estate on this one! Prince supported Tidal and it seems to me the Estate care more about $$$ than anything else.

Agreed. Prince clearly supported Tidal and was still doing so on the Monday before his passing.

The '90 days' argument is clearly some kind of legal loophole as Prince was happily working with Tidal and delivering exclusive material way past December, 2015, when the 90 days would've expired.

If Prince's music ends up on Spotify then I'll conclude the Estate is essentially corrupt, as that is something Prince clearly never wanted and was very outspoken about.

Agree. If Prince went to Spofify and I-Tunes and could not get the money he wanted what in God's green earth makes the estate think they will get anymore money then he was asking for. They are going to get pennies and I if I remember correctly Prince said he wanted to support a new growing business. Goes against his belifes of artist having equity.

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Reply #34 posted 11/28/16 10:17am

Rimshottbob

I take your point.... but I believe that if kids are really interested in music, they will seek out new music to listen to, and they will find him. That's what I did... YouTube and Tidal and Spotify and Apple Music etc are the lazy, coprporate-controlled (and generally poorly organised and curated) way to find your music. Sure, maybe kids will get their initial kicks from that. But if they really care about music, they will seek it out for themselves. If they don't, that's their loss.

clairew1975 said:

Rimshottbob said:

Yeah.... I have no idea why anyone would trust a streaming service with their music... AT ALL.

For exactly this reason. And as for those who have the hard copies of these albums but are complaining that they're no longer available... what the hell?

In the time it took you to type up your complaint you could have ripped the discs to your hard drive, where no one can ever take them away from you...

Also, all those who are complaining that it was Prince's wish to have his music on Tidal and that this is somehow 'going against his wishes', or that his family are 'just after the dollars'... what the hell do you think Jay-Z is, a charity? Like that man wasn't only ever trying to bring some green into his failing business? Jeez....

And you all know what Prince was like.... with all due respect to the man, he chose Tidal last year! If he was still with us, he would most likely have changed his mind again and decided that his music should only be kept on stone tablets!

Keeping control of your music collection is easy, people.... you just have to do it yourself, not let some corporation do it for you, who care nothing about the music, they care only for contracts and profits.

There is no reason for you ever to go without an album, ever, as you look take responsiblity for that shit for yourself. This is why I have around 10,000 albums in my iTunes. I've ripped all my records and all my CDs (I've kept all the vinyl, ditched all but a few CDs and CD boxsets), and it's all on a drive and backed up on another. And I can listen to whatever I want, whenever I want. Some of it is on my iPod, and it's all stored on a small, plg'n'play 4TB hard drive, which is easy to transport.

Really, it's that simple. Why do people leave this stuff in the hands of corporates, if it's so important to them? (And don't tell me convenience.... this situation is not so convenient, is it?)

[Edited 11/28/16 9:03am]

Ahhh the joys of ripping your CDs to iTunes.

BUT how many teens/young adults these days buy physical CDs or vinyl anymore? With so many free streaming services around where they can listen to anything (except Prince - only on Tidal) when they want, wherever they want, how many bother about purchasing the real thing?

I don't know many of my children's friends or my younger work colleagues who do.
Don't get me wrong, I'm old school, you make some valid points but I just wonder if today's generation see it the way we do. My children are 'meh' about buying music they just stream it via YouTube or through my Tidal account.

If Prince's music isn't available via a streaming service then how does the next generation ever know about his music (unless their parent(s) have ALL his albums).

My children know about Prince's music because I play it in my car alot but their friends have no idea who he is.

I subscribed to Tidal because Prince supported it and I don't have ALL his albums. It was £9.99 well spent.

I just don't think it's so easy to just dismiss streaming sites and just rip CDs - the answer is more complicated.

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Reply #35 posted 11/28/16 11:05am

whatdoesitmatt
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feeluupp said:

Yup it's gone, as well as 3121... Slowly but surely I think it will be the end of the Prince catalouge on TIDAL...

One Night Alone is gone as well. Its gone on my playlist on the computer however several months ago I downloaded all of them to the Offline Mode to my phone and all of them are there, One Night Alone, Emancipation and 3121

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Reply #36 posted 11/28/16 11:08am

whatdoesitmatt
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16Letsgo said:

OperatingThetan said:

Anything you've downloaded to your Tidal app, remains even after it's been removed from the main service.

When you say "downloaded to Tidal app" "do you mean "favorite" the albums? Or something else.

I had favorited the artists but that wasn't enough to keep these missing albums.

Thanks everyone for helping navigate this.

Download it to the Offline Mode and it will stay there.

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Reply #37 posted 11/28/16 11:38am

joytotheworld

djThunderfunk said:

Seems like a good amount of people on the org love to talk about the virtues of streaming and laugh at the old folks who still buy physical copies. Well, just checked my shelf and Emancipation & 3121 CDs are right there where I left them... lol lol

And really, I don't play the CDs much anymore. I ripped them long ago and loaded them onto to my favorite digital device plus backed them up to a hard drive. So, I'm listening to digital files too, but, I don't have to worry about ever-changing licensing agreements or the whims of rights holders.

For all those that laugh and say I'm old and behind the times because I buy CDs and make my own rips instead of subscribing to a streaming service... I'm gonna go listen to Joint 2 Joint & Black Sweat! music

Yes, this. I am old too and I buy the physical copies.

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Reply #38 posted 11/28/16 11:45am

darkroman

Oddly, those who are TOO young, and only have mobile phones, seem to only know about Tidal and streaming.

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Lean to use a computer and download the albums from a torrent site - or buy the CDs

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Simples and no more complaining about bloomin' Tidal!!!!

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lol lol lol lol

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Reply #39 posted 11/28/16 12:00pm

skipthecharade
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whatdoesitmatter said:

16Letsgo said:

When you say "downloaded to Tidal app" "do you mean "favorite" the albums? Or something else.

I had favorited the artists but that wasn't enough to keep these missing albums.

Thanks everyone for helping navigate this.

Download it to the Offline Mode and it will stay there.

Be careful not to log out, they might be gone. Or when there is an update.

Had the same when I had a Tidal subscription, don't know exactly at what point my downloads were gone.

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Reply #40 posted 11/28/16 1:21pm

clairew1975

Rimshottbob said:

I take your point.... but I believe that if kids are really interested in music, they will seek out new music to listen to, and they will find him. That's what I did... YouTube and Tidal and Spotify and Apple Music etc are the lazy, coprporate-controlled (and generally poorly organised and curated) way to find your music. Sure, maybe kids will get their initial kicks from that. But if they really care about music, they will seek it out for themselves. If they don't, that's their loss.





clairew1975 said:




Rimshottbob said:


Yeah.... I have no idea why anyone would trust a streaming service with their music... AT ALL.



For exactly this reason. And as for those who have the hard copies of these albums but are complaining that they're no longer available... what the hell?



In the time it took you to type up your complaint you could have ripped the discs to your hard drive, where no one can ever take them away from you...



Also, all those who are complaining that it was Prince's wish to have his music on Tidal and that this is somehow 'going against his wishes', or that his family are 'just after the dollars'... what the hell do you think Jay-Z is, a charity? Like that man wasn't only ever trying to bring some green into his failing business? Jeez....



And you all know what Prince was like.... with all due respect to the man, he chose Tidal last year! If he was still with us, he would most likely have changed his mind again and decided that his music should only be kept on stone tablets!



Keeping control of your music collection is easy, people.... you just have to do it yourself, not let some corporation do it for you, who care nothing about the music, they care only for contracts and profits.



There is no reason for you ever to go without an album, ever, as you look take responsiblity for that shit for yourself. This is why I have around 10,000 albums in my iTunes. I've ripped all my records and all my CDs (I've kept all the vinyl, ditched all but a few CDs and CD boxsets), and it's all on a drive and backed up on another. And I can listen to whatever I want, whenever I want. Some of it is on my iPod, and it's all stored on a small, plg'n'play 4TB hard drive, which is easy to transport.



Really, it's that simple. Why do people leave this stuff in the hands of corporates, if it's so important to them? (And don't tell me convenience.... this situation is not so convenient, is it?)


[Edited 11/28/16 9:03am]




Ahhh the joys of ripping your CDs to iTunes.



BUT how many teens/young adults these days buy physical CDs or vinyl anymore? With so many free streaming services around where they can listen to anything (except Prince - only on Tidal) when they want, wherever they want, how many bother about purchasing the real thing?

I don't know many of my children's friends or my younger work colleagues who do.
Don't get me wrong, I'm old school, you make some valid points but I just wonder if today's generation see it the way we do. My children are 'meh' about buying music they just stream it via YouTube or through my Tidal account.



If Prince's music isn't available via a streaming service then how does the next generation ever know about his music (unless their parent(s) have ALL his albums).



My children know about Prince's music because I play it in my car alot but their friends have no idea who he is.

I subscribed to Tidal because Prince supported it and I don't have ALL his albums. It was £9.99 well spent.

I just don't think it's so easy to just dismiss streaming sites and just rip CDs - the answer is more complicated.





My teenage girls stream everything. But their Dad and I still buy physical albums on CD (occasionally vinyl) but they prefer the unlimited access to everything.

I like both but want the artist properly paid for the streaming of their music which is why I ditched Spotify.

If Prince's catalogue goes then I will just spend my £9.99 a month on buying the Prince albums I don't have instead. smile
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Reply #41 posted 11/28/16 2:40pm

nonamesleft

I've got a spare copy of Emacipation I need to give away. I 'need' to give it away because orger /purpleaslan sent me a copy of 20Ten for free, so it's time I paid it forward. I've only got one spare, so someone may miss out. Remember to orgnote an address. Don't put it in this thread.

Edit: I got org-noted an address. Sorry if you missed out.
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Reply #42 posted 11/28/16 3:26pm

jfromdk

I almost fell off my chair when i couldn't find them.. a part of me is missing right now.. although i have the psysical ones. I listen to the albums on my Way 2 School on my phone eek
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Reply #43 posted 11/29/16 1:47am

clairew1975

nonamesleft said:

I've got a spare copy of Emacipation I need to give away. I 'need' to give it away because orger /purpleaslan sent me a copy of 20Ten for free, so it's time I paid it forward. I've only got one spare, so someone may miss out. Remember to orgnote an address. Don't put it in this thread.

Edit: I got org-noted an address. Sorry if you missed out.
[Edited 11/28/16 15:53pm]


Awwww damn it! Thanks for the offer though, nice thing to do smile
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Reply #44 posted 11/29/16 3:13am

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djThunderfunk said:

Seems like a good amount of people on the org love to talk about the virtues of streaming and laugh at the old folks who still buy physical copies. Well, just checked my shelf and Emancipation & 3121 CDs are right there where I left them... lol lol

And really, I don't play the CDs much anymore. I ripped them long ago and loaded them onto to my favorite digital device plus backed them up to a hard drive. So, I'm listening to digital files too, but, I don't have to worry about ever-changing licensing agreements or the whims of rights holders.

For all those that laugh and say I'm old and behind the times because I buy CDs and make my own rips instead of subscribing to a streaming service... I'm gonna go listen to Joint 2 Joint & Black Sweat! music

Yup, I do this too, buy the physical CD, rip it to my digital device & make a back up copy on a hard drive - just done all this also with the new 4Ever CD - then I store the CD in a safe place even if I dont pull it out to play it I know it is safely there and ready as a backup should it be needed or if I just want to sit and look at the lovely booklets.

Thank you Prince for every note you left behind 💜
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Reply #45 posted 11/29/16 3:52am

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nonamesleft said:

I've got a spare copy of Emacipation I need to give away. I 'need' to give it away because orger /purpleaslan sent me a copy of 20Ten for free, so it's time I paid it forward. I've only got one spare, so someone may miss out. Remember to orgnote an address. Don't put it in this thread. Edit: I got org-noted an address. Sorry if you missed out. [Edited 11/28/16 15:53pm]

You're great

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Reply #46 posted 11/29/16 4:24am

blacknote

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gollygirl said:

djThunderfunk said:

Seems like a good amount of people on the org love to talk about the virtues of streaming and laugh at the old folks who still buy physical copies. Well, just checked my shelf and Emancipation & 3121 CDs are right there where I left them... lol lol

And really, I don't play the CDs much anymore. I ripped them long ago and loaded them onto to my favorite digital device plus backed them up to a hard drive. So, I'm listening to digital files too, but, I don't have to worry about ever-changing licensing agreements or the whims of rights holders.

For all those that laugh and say I'm old and behind the times because I buy CDs and make my own rips instead of subscribing to a streaming service... I'm gonna go listen to Joint 2 Joint & Black Sweat! music

Yup, I do this too, buy the physical CD, rip it to my digital device & make a back up copy on a hard drive - just done all this also with the new 4Ever CD - then I store the CD in a safe place even if I dont pull it out to play it I know it is safely there and ready as a backup should it be needed or if I just want to sit and look at the lovely booklets.

I go a step further and upload the digital files to cloud storage. So there's three ways I can access my music. Old habits are hard to break.

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Reply #47 posted 11/29/16 6:22am

TheKid94

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Now Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic is gone, but Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic is still there.

This is getting irritating, I don't have a computer at the moment and all of my cd's are at my house in Michigan (I currently live in NY) sooo Tidal really is my only option to listen to all of his music.

prince
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Reply #48 posted 11/29/16 6:26am

darkroman

TheKid94 said:

Now Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic is gone, but Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic is still there.

This is getting irritating, I don't have a computer at the moment and all of my cd's are at my house in Michigan (I currently live in NY) sooo Tidal really is my only option to listen to all of his music.

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Amazon cloud storage is FREE with a large capacity before having to pay.

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Forget Tidal.

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Rip your CDs / or upload your digital downloads and listen to them anywhere.

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lol

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Reply #49 posted 11/29/16 9:21am

clairew1975

For those of you that do subscribe to Tidal if you download the Prince albums to play in "offline mode" they will still play. If albums are being removed I suggest you do this asap.

I can still play everything (at the moment), none of them have stopped working so far.
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Reply #50 posted 11/30/16 8:03am

feeluupp

RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC

MUSICOLOGY

ONE NIGHT ALONE

are now gone.

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Reply #51 posted 11/30/16 8:06am

feeluupp

Crystal Ball is also gone.

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Reply #52 posted 11/30/16 8:24am

FullLipsDotNos
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Poor my credit card. I'm downloading like crazy!

Too bad I can't download Lovesexy. The link is broken.

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Reply #53 posted 11/30/16 2:05pm

BEAUGARDE

This family is starting to get on my nerves, WTF!!!!

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Reply #54 posted 11/30/16 2:10pm

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I (finally) cancelled my subscription when they didn't have 4ever available for streaming. The next day this happens.

COINCIDENCE?

yes, but still it must be related to all that estate fighting.

Quick question though, would I be right in saying The Chocolate Invasion is sourced from lossless on Tidal but The Slaughterouse is mp3 sourced? I think I remember seeing someone working that one out.

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Reply #55 posted 11/30/16 2:16pm

FullLipsDotNos
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jaawwnn said:

I (finally) cancelled my subscription when they didn't have 4ever available for streaming. The next day this happens.

COINCIDENCE?

yes, but still it must be related to all that estate fighting.

Quick question though, would I be right in saying The Chocolate Invasion is sourced from lossless on Tidal but The Slaughterouse is mp3 sourced? I think I remember seeing someone working that one out.

I have both albums from there in mp3 format...

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Reply #56 posted 11/30/16 2:22pm

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FullLipsDotNose said:

jaawwnn said:

I (finally) cancelled my subscription when they didn't have 4ever available for streaming. The next day this happens.

COINCIDENCE?

yes, but still it must be related to all that estate fighting.

Quick question though, would I be right in saying The Chocolate Invasion is sourced from lossless on Tidal but The Slaughterouse is mp3 sourced? I think I remember seeing someone working that one out.

I have both albums from there in mp3 format...

No i mean the actual source. You can buy the Slaughterhouse in alleged FLAC quality but I seem to recall someone tested this and the source for the FLAC was mp3 (Chocolate Invasion was correct quality). It's important because these albums have never been available in quality higher than mp3 (or those old copy-protected WMA's even) before Tidal.

edit: oh here's a thread, the answer is.... we're not sure.

[Edited 11/30/16 14:34pm]

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Reply #57 posted 11/30/16 5:41pm

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jaawwnn said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

I have both albums from there in mp3 format...

No i mean the actual source. You can buy the Slaughterhouse in alleged FLAC quality but I seem to recall someone tested this and the source for the FLAC was mp3 (Chocolate Invasion was correct quality). It's important because these albums have never been available in quality higher than mp3 (or those old copy-protected WMA's even) before Tidal.

edit: oh here's a thread, the answer is.... we're not sure.

[Edited 11/30/16 14:34pm]


Regardless, it's still the best quality ever released. No?
Certainly better than the WMA's?

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Reply #58 posted 11/30/16 5:48pm

jaawwnn

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djThunderfunk said:

jaawwnn said:

No i mean the actual source. You can buy the Slaughterhouse in alleged FLAC quality but I seem to recall someone tested this and the source for the FLAC was mp3 (Chocolate Invasion was correct quality). It's important because these albums have never been available in quality higher than mp3 (or those old copy-protected WMA's even) before Tidal.

edit: oh here's a thread, the answer is.... we're not sure.

[Edited 11/30/16 14:34pm]


Regardless, it's still the best quality ever released. No?
Certainly better than the WMA's?

Yeah for sure.

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Reply #59 posted 12/01/16 2:37am

darkroman

It's great to see the bootlegs have now also been removed from Tidal!

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lol lol lol

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