oliviacamron said:

zenarose said:

Here is an article from the Guardian, it states that it CANNOT verify the TMZ report of 2 save shots

being administered to P.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/22/prince-death-medical-emergency-plane-landing

We know for a fact Warner Bros owns TMZ anyway so we can't trust anything they say about Prince

Exactly!! TMZ was the first to report EVERYTHING! Other media sources were stand offish at first

then went with it. So I'm guessing no one did any real digging to get the facts.

zenarose said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/09/430883654/prince-compares-record-contracts-to-slavery-in-rare-meeting-with-media

http://www.theroot.com/?s=the+prince+story+gets+personal

Top Link......2015

Second Link.....2016

OLIVIACAMRON: Is the second link the one that you wanted me to find for you?

zenarose said:

No Worries!! You know I always help when asked!

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

MMJas said:

Yes, that was my thought as well.

This makes some sense as to why he disappeared.... It is strange P got sick on the 7th had to cancel and again on the 20th Both dates he saw Dr S.

That IS interesting...

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It doesn't necessarily mean it was anything untoward, mind...We do know that Dr S was giving P. something (not pain meds) but some other sort of prescribed medicine (for what reason, we can't be sure) and it might 'just' be that those meds had adverse side-effects when first taken (some do, you know).

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Nevertheless, at the very least it's a curious confluence of events. I'd love to know what prescriptions he was being given during this period. That information would be very revealing.

.

Is it me - or is THIS very odd??? I know this is a Bill Withers track, 'Use Me' - but I am assuming Prince wasn't averse to changing the lyrics...

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This footage is taken from his March 25th 2016 performance at the Sony Centre, Toronto. Please listen from 11.53-ish onwards...

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https://www.youtube.com/w...cLCa3rjiyI

.

Dibblekins said:

oliviacamron said:

Dibblekins said:

Is it me - or is THIS very odd??? I know this is a Bill Withers track, 'Use Me' - but I am assuming Prince wasn't averse to changing the lyrics...

.

This footage is taken from his March 25th 2016 performance at the Sony Centre, Toronto. Please listen from 11.53-ish onwards...

.

https://www.youtube.com/w...cLCa3rjiyI

.

Oh my God ! You all must listen starting around 10:30 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So this is in Toronto March 2016. Prince starts singing really creepy" YOU KNOW YOU LEFT ME". THEN HE STARTS SINGING ABOUT KIRK ! THEY WERE IN CONFLICT!!!!!

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LOL! Sorry, Olivia - your response did make me chuckle! But, yes - very, very interesting, huh???
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People who saw these P&M concerts did say he was opening up far more than he had ever done before - but I was NOT expecting this!!!

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I think we need Zena to download / save this footage before it goes missing...

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Perhaps Kirk told him enough was enough and he was going to call somebody for Prince's addiction. No longer being an enabler.

This, once again, can be read in more ways than one. But he was pissed at Kirk, that's for sure.

Dibblekins said:

paradise000 said:

Dibblekins said:

Is it me - or is THIS very odd??? I know this is a Bill Withers track, 'Use Me' - but I am assuming Prince wasn't averse to changing the lyrics...

.

This footage is taken from his March 25th 2016 performance at the Sony Centre, Toronto. Please listen from 11.53-ish onwards...

.

https://www.youtube.com/w...cLCa3rjiyI

.

Prince felt Kirk was using him?

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I can't be sure of ALL the words but it sounds like:

'I think his name was Kirk
He sat me right down and he talked to me.

He told me, "I'm not gonna let you just walk on me"
And I'm sure...I'm sure he meant it...Yes he did.

When our talk was through,
I said, "Brother...If you only knew...You wish you was in my shoes
Just keep on using me
Until you use me up'.

.
Make of that what you will!!
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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Supposedly his security system was turned-off. Why?

Where is the evidence that the security camers were turned off? Did I miss this? Because in ST on 4/21(22?) the Sheriff clearly stated that "THEY HAD THE SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE" in their possession....was it later stated that surveillance was off?

If so,that, in and of itself is suspicious. to state that they have the footage, then possibly somewhere down the line that the cameras were off?

I think this whole thing is very suspicious. Even though he signed some kind of deal with WB in 2014 he was still in dispute with them with plans for remasters, he instead wanted to release new music and kept refusing their requests for PR and other moneyspinning. So he was causing an inconvenient obstruction giving them a massive motive to make sure he was 'accidentally' given the wrong pills knowing that he had no will (or making sure it was suppressed). Of course they didn't do it directly, they hired someone to do it or incentivised a traitor in his inner circle. He is quoted as saying he believed there was a Judas around him in his final days. How many pharmacists do you know that make those kind of mistakes? It's not likely, more likely it was seen as a safe way to kill him knowing that the public would be fooled by the usual drug overdose story that so many other stars have had.

if not WB then we can also say the extended family have a motive too, they stand to gain massively from this financially and many of them didn't even know him.

However, I feel the WB motive is strongest, this is turning out very convenient to them, a compilation coming out for Christmas and a PR version now including outtakes which i believe he previoiusly resisted. And now rights to releases for years and years and years as there can be no obstructions from him.

Hmm....sorry folks may sound too conspiracy like but I just don't buy this whole accidental thing, it's way too convenient and us real fans know that Prince was not a druggie, hell even his closest associates never saw him take so much as a paracetamol.

precioux said:

Dibblekins said:

Dibblekins said:

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2016/10/26/jay-z-offers-40m-for-princes-unreleased-tracks.html

SMDH

*********** Added another link

http://djbooth.net/news/entry/2016-10-26-jay-z-save-tidal-prince-

musichttp://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/09/14/jay-z-gets-drenched-tidal-music-service/90350150/

[Edited 10/26/16 11:26am]

[Edited 10/26/16 11:33am]

oliviacamron said:

Dibblekins said:

Is it me - or is THIS very odd??? I know this is a Bill Withers track, 'Use Me' - but I am assuming Prince wasn't averse to changing the lyrics...

.

This footage is taken from his March 25th 2016 performance at the Sony Centre, Toronto. Please listen from 11.53-ish onwards...

.

https://www.youtube.com/w...cLCa3rjiyI

.

Oh my God ! You all must listen starting around 10:30 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So this is in Toronto March 2016. Prince starts singing really creepy" YOU KNOW YOU LEFT ME". THEN HE STARTS SINGING ABOUT KIRK ! THEY WERE IN CONFLICT!!!!!

You're interpreting the song wrong. The song is about a woman who is using a man. Here is a copy of the relevant original verse as Bill Withers sang it:

.

My brother sit me right down and he talked to me
He told me that I ought not to let you just walk on me
And I'm sure he meant well
Yeah, but when our talk was through
I said, brother, if you only knew
You'd wish that you were in my shoes
You just keep on using me
Until you use me up
Until you use me up

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Prince inseted Kirk's name where it was originally brother in the song. Prince is only saying that Kirk sat down to talk to him about this woman using Prince. There is nothing sinister at all.

Dibblekins said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

MMJas said: This makes some sense as to why he disappeared.... It is strange P got sick on the 7th had to cancel and again on the 20th Both dates he saw Dr S.

That IS interesting...

.

It doesn't necessarily mean it was anything untoward, mind...We do know that Dr S was giving P. something (not pain meds) but some other sort of prescribed medicine (for what reason, we can't be sure) and it might 'just' be that those meds had adverse side-effects when first taken (some do, you know).

.

Nevertheless, at the very least it's a curious confluence of events. I'd love to know what prescriptions he was being given during this period. That information would be very revealing.

.

.

Yes!! Two things I am VERY interested in knowing. (1)....What were the results of Prince's blood tests, and (2)....What type of medications was he prescribed (Walgreens).

.

That info would say a lot.

zenarose said:

Dibblekins said:

oliviacamron said:

Dibblekins said: Oh my God ! You all must listen starting around 10:30 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So this is in Toronto March 2016. Prince starts singing really creepy" YOU KNOW YOU LEFT ME". THEN HE STARTS SINGING ABOUT KIRK ! THEY WERE IN CONFLICT!!!!!

.
LOL! Sorry, Olivia - your response did make me chuckle! But, yes - very, very interesting, huh???
.
People who saw these P&M concerts did say he was opening up far more than he had ever done before - but I was NOT expecting this!!!

.

.

Wow! Prince was opening up there. I had to listen to it a couple times to make out what he was saying. He was saying Kirk used him and something about him wanting to be in his shoes.

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Good find, Dibble & Olivia!!

MMJas said:

Perhaps Kirk told him enough was enough and he was going to call somebody for Prince's addiction. No longer being an enabler.

This, once again, can be read in more ways than one. But he was pissed at Kirk, that's for sure.

.

Yes, that could be. Maybe Prince knew that Kirk was betraying their friendship by disclosing Prince's dependency?

.

It very well could be taken in more ways than one!

Dibblekins said:

paradise000 said:

Dibblekins said: Prince felt Kirk was using him?

.

I can't be sure of ALL the words but it sounds like:

'I think his name was Kirk
He sat me right down and he talked to me.

He told me, "I'm not gonna let you just walk on me"
And I'm sure...I'm sure he meant it...Yes he did.

When our talk was through,
I said, "Brother...If you only knew...You wish you was in my shoes
Just keep on using me
Until you use me up'.

.
Make of that what you will!!
.

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Dibble: Very good!! That sounds exactly like what he said, verbatim!

precioux said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Where is the evidence that the security camers were turned off? Did I miss this? Because in ST on 4/21(22?) the Sheriff clearly stated that "THEY HAD THE SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE" in their possession....was it later stated that surveillance was off?

If so,that, in and of itself is suspicious. to state that they have the footage, then possibly somewhere down the line that the cameras were off?

.

Well, the story about the security being turned off has changed several times, since this all happened. I think it was the National Enquirer who said there was "footage", but I think their story was all B.S.

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Several "unknown" sources said the security system was turned-off, and also that Prince's assistant (I can't think of her name), was responsible for setting-up an intervention for Prince the next day. Now, we don't know if that is true either, because Prince already had an appointment with a holistic doctor on that day and his regular doctor was bringing him results from his blood tests.

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

I think this whole thing is very suspicious. Even though he signed some kind of deal with WB in 2014 he was still in dispute with them with plans for remasters, he instead wanted to release new music and kept refusing their requests for PR and other moneyspinning. So he was causing an inconvenient obstruction giving them a massive motive to make sure he was 'accidentally' given the wrong pills knowing that he had no will (or making sure it was suppressed). Of course they didn't do it directly, they hired someone to do it or incentivised a traitor in his inner circle. He is quoted as saying he believed there was a Judas around him in his final days. How many pharmacists do you know that make those kind of mistakes? It's not likely, more likely it was seen as a safe way to kill him knowing that the public would be fooled by the usual drug overdose story that so many other stars have had.

if not WB then we can also say the extended family have a motive too, they stand to gain massively from this financially and many of them didn't even know him.

However, I feel the WB motive is strongest, this is turning out very convenient to them, a compilation coming out for Christmas and a PR version now including outtakes which i believe he previoiusly resisted. And now rights to releases for years and years and years as there can be no obstructions from him.

Hmm....sorry folks may sound too conspiracy like but I just don't buy this whole accidental thing, it's way too convenient and us real fans know that Prince was not a druggie, hell even his closest associates never saw him take so much as a paracetamol.

.

I agree. Everything surrounding Prince's death is shady!!

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I think Prince could not trust anyone, even those who were close to him.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Dibblekins said:

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LOL! Sorry, Olivia - your response did make me chuckle! But, yes - very, very interesting, huh???
.
People who saw these P&M concerts did say he was opening up far more than he had ever done before - but I was NOT expecting this!!!

.

Interesting!!! There was something going and It sounds like P was tired of being used by Kirk. Speculating here but.... Could see how P would be getting tired of always helping KJ out. who knows what Kirk was wanting P to do for him at some point enough is enough when friends take advantage of friends with $$. It was also mentioned on here that Prince did not say Kirks name when Thanking everyone at the PP party. And was also posted here that possibly it was KJ and M that were surprised to see P at the PP party. Zena would have the posts!

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You guys are really on to something here!! It could be that P was growing tired of always helping Kirk out. But, he did help a lot of people out, but he was specifically saying "Kirk using me".......so, there ya go!!

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All I can say is GREED can do some really terrible things to people, as I have seen it first-hand.

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When someone is willing to put greed ahead of love and friendship......you know it's time to move on!!