Olivia, I think PP and everyone associated with it wants questions like those to vanish into the ether ... Just like they are pretending he did ...

herb4 said:

Well, the good news is that at least we're down to only about 3 or 4 of the same crazy, die-hard, conspiratorial minded Scooby Doo detectives "working the case" and the overall silliness seems to have waned. The bad news is, now we're into "The RUSSIANS did it!" and "There was a guy with a breficase!" and there's still been a bit of numerology, lyric deciphering and "hidden message" foolishness. Reaching.

MuleFunk thinks he's a prophet and there's A Game Going On because "the media" is conspiring to release news about Prince in accordance with new information about music. It's confirmation bias is all it is. Seeing what you want to want to see and confusing correlation with causation. It's like waving a stick of butter in the air to keep golden dragons from attacking and then using the lack of any golden dragon related activity or sightings of golden dragons as "proof" that waving the butter stick works.

Again, so some of you can reach acceptance and get on with and simplify your lives and thought structure while there's still time:

"Chemtrails" are bullshit
Vaccinations are good. They don't cause autism and you should vaccinate your kids
There is no Illuminatti
The election was not rigged
There is no "DaVinci Code"
9/11 was not an inside job
Man has landed on the moon
Crop circles are man made
There's no Bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster
Paul McCartney is alive
ESP, telekineses, Astrology, and magic are not real
The earth revolves around the sun
Man made climate change is not a hoax
You can eat Pop Rocks and drink soda
Cell phones don't cause cancer

Prince was not (intentionally) murdered


Let's start there.

Love your post man.

oliviacamron said:

On another note, I replied to Paisley Park's email yesterday about the the discussion panel they will host in April. I asked them if we could discuss all the things that don't add up in Prince's death like why all his clothes were on wrong, why Kirk left him alone, did Prince really have a concert coming up in Russia in June that he was going to speak politically, did he really receive death threats after he got his masters, and so on and so on and so on because there are so many questions. I won't hold my breath waiting for there response and I hope I don't get banned before I ever get there

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So nice of you to do that!! Please keep us posted!

oliviacamron said:

On another note, I replied to Paisley Park's email yesterday about the the discussion panel they will host in April. I asked them if we could discuss all the things that don't add up in Prince's death like why all his clothes were on wrong, why Kirk left him alone, did Prince really have a concert coming up in Russia in June that he was going to speak politically, did he really receive death threats after he got his masters, and so on and so on and so on because there are so many questions. I won't hold my breath waiting for there response and I hope I don't get banned before I ever get there

Now, that would be a fascinating discussion - even if only a tiny portion of it was covered! But, yes, I have my doubts they'd be willing to go there, Olivia.

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

Love your post man.

Why do you love it. The police have provided us with no information other then this is a homicide case. The last time I looked that would be murder. It does not matter if someone gave him those pills intentionally or not they still killed him.

I like herbs sense of humor and sarcasm. I agree with some of his/her logic. I do not think Prince was intentioanlly murdered. I think obtaining pills on the black market contributed to Prince's passing from tainted pills, hence the homicide charge. But not intentional.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy in Prince's death.

[Edited 11/30/16 9:17am]

Back in late May, local talk had turned to a deliberate act. Who knows? It is still very sad IMO that he was alone.

nelcp777 said:

annalizer said:

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

I like herbs sense of humor and sarcasm. I agree with some of his/her logic. I do not think Prince was intentioanlly murdered. I think obtaining pills on the black market contributed to Prince's passing from tainted pills, hence the homicide charge. But not intentional.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy in Prince's death.

[Edited 11/30/16 9:17am]

-- That is what you belive that is not what you know. We just do not have enough info to really know anything.

I did say that is what I believe. I never claimed to have any inside knowledge or to know more than what has been released via reports and what has been discussed here.

Strictly my opinioin and speculation.

[Edited 11/30/16 10:49am]

laurarichardson said:

annalizer said:

Personally, I don't like to admit it but,I think he overdosed on the flight thinking he couldn't be saved in time and afterwards continued to do the shows while contemplating what he wanted to do next. I believe he wanted to be alone when he made his decision because a person that ill would never do that unless they didn't want to be stopped. The backwards clothing and elevator is typical Prince who loves to keep us guessing like he stated in an old Rolling Stone interview "I've always had hidden messages, and I always will." From what I've witnessed about him through the years is that whatever he does it's always going to be his way. Just my two cents.

-- Why would he run into an elavators to die? I think he started feeling ill and was trying to get some help. People usually take pills and lay out in their best clothes and they are not thinking hidden messages if they want to die.

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I keep wondering that too. If Prince was not feeling well, didn't he have a telephone in his living quarters to call 911? He had a computer/laptop also, and he could have sent a message to someone to let them know something was wrong, but he may have not been physically able to do that.

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I agree; when someone is in a life or death situation, they are not thinking about hidden messages -- they are panic-stricken!!

cloveringold85 said:

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said: Why do you love it. The police have provided us with no information other then this is a homicide case. The last time I looked that would be murder. It does not matter if someone gave him those pills intentionally or not they still killed him.

I like herbs sense of humor and sarcasm. I agree with some of his/her logic. I do not think Prince was intentioanlly murdered. I think obtaining pills on the black market contributed to Prince's passing from tainted pills, hence the homicide charge. But not intentional.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy in Prince's death.

[Edited 11/30/16 9:17am]

you're entitled to your opinion, however here's the part of Herb's post i find unacceptable, insofar as it violates the forum rules, ignores the thread title and purpose, and goes on to attack other Orgers who are involved in the discussion:

Well, the good news is that at least we're down to only about 3 or 4 of the same crazy, die-hard, conspiratorial minded Scooby Doo detectives "working the case" and the overall silliness seems to have waned. The bad news is, now we're into "The RUSSIANS did it!" and "There was a guy with a breficase!" and there's still been a bit of numerology, lyric deciphering and "hidden message" foolishness. Reaching.

MuleFunk thinks he's a prophet and there's A Game Going On because "the media" is conspiring to release news about Prince in accordance with new information about music. It's confirmation bias is all it is. Seeing what you want to want to see and confusing correlation with causation. It's like waving a stick of butter in the air to keep golden dragons from attacking and then using the lack of any golden dragon related activity or sightings of golden dragons as "proof" that waving the butter stick works.

Again, so some of you can reach acceptance and get on with and simplify your lives

ps: this is NOT to say that i dislike HerB, he and his posts have always been thoughtful and intelligent. i've always appreciated his viewpoint over the years. except for the one above

[Edited 11/30/16 11:52am]

CooperC62057 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I keep wondering that too. If Prince was not feeling well, didn't he have a telephone in his living quarters to call 911? He had a computer/laptop also, and he could have sent a message to someone to let them know something was wrong, but he may have not been physically able to do that.

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I agree; when someone is in a life or death situation, they are not thinking about hidden messages -- they are panic-stricken!!

Has it ever been revealed whether the elevator was on the first or second floor?

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They found him in the elevator, on the first floor.

XxAxX said:

nelcp777 said:

I like herbs sense of humor and sarcasm. I agree with some of his/her logic. I do not think Prince was intentioanlly murdered. I think obtaining pills on the black market contributed to Prince's passing from tainted pills, hence the homicide charge. But not intentional.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy in Prince's death.

[Edited 11/30/16 9:17am]

you're entitled to your opinion, however here's the part of Herb's post i find unacceptable, insofar as it violates the forum rules, ignores the thread title and purpose, and goes on to attack other Orgers who are involved in the discussion:

Well, the good news is that at least we're down to only about 3 or 4 of the same crazy, die-hard, conspiratorial minded Scooby Doo detectives "working the case" and the overall silliness seems to have waned. The bad news is, now we're into "The RUSSIANS did it!" and "There was a guy with a breficase!" and there's still been a bit of numerology, lyric deciphering and "hidden message" foolishness. Reaching.

MuleFunk thinks he's a prophet and there's A Game Going On because "the media" is conspiring to release news about Prince in accordance with new information about music. It's confirmation bias is all it is. Seeing what you want to want to see and confusing correlation with causation. It's like waving a stick of butter in the air to keep golden dragons from attacking and then using the lack of any golden dragon related activity or sightings of golden dragons as "proof" that waving the butter stick works.

Again, so some of you can reach acceptance and get on with and simplify your lives

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XxaxX: I agree with you.

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Also, this thread is supposed to be discussions about "Prince", not:

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"Chemtrails" are bullshit
Vaccinations are good. They don't cause autism and you should vaccinate your kids
There is no Illuminatti
The election was not rigged
There is no "DaVinci Code"
9/11 was not an inside job
Man has landed on the moon
Crop circles are man made
There's no Bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster
Paul McCartney is alive
ESP, telekineses, Astrology, and magic are not real
The earth revolves around the sun
Man made climate change is not a hoax
You can eat Pop Rocks and drink soda
Cell phones don't cause cancer

......................................................................None of the above has anything to do with Prince!

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Clearly, if he has issues with the above topics, he needs to find the appropriate thread for those discussions.

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[Edited 11/30/16 11:53am]

cloveringold85 said:

XxAxX said:

you're entitled to your opinion, however here's the part of Herb's post i find unacceptable, insofar as it violates the forum rules, ignores the thread title and purpose, and goes on to attack other Orgers who are involved in the discussion:

Well, the good news is that at least we're down to only about 3 or 4 of the same crazy, die-hard, conspiratorial minded Scooby Doo detectives "working the case" and the overall silliness seems to have waned. The bad news is, now we're into "The RUSSIANS did it!" and "There was a guy with a breficase!" and there's still been a bit of numerology, lyric deciphering and "hidden message" foolishness. Reaching.

MuleFunk thinks he's a prophet and there's A Game Going On because "the media" is conspiring to release news about Prince in accordance with new information about music. It's confirmation bias is all it is. Seeing what you want to want to see and confusing correlation with causation. It's like waving a stick of butter in the air to keep golden dragons from attacking and then using the lack of any golden dragon related activity or sightings of golden dragons as "proof" that waving the butter stick works.

Again, so some of you can reach acceptance and get on with and simplify your lives

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XxaxX: I agree with you.

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Also, this thread is supposed to be discussions about "Prince", not:

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"Chemtrails" are bullshit
Vaccinations are good. They don't cause autism and you should vaccinate your kids
There is no Illuminatti
The election was not rigged
There is no "DaVinci Code"
9/11 was not an inside job
Man has landed on the moon
Crop circles are man made
There's no Bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster
Paul McCartney is alive
ESP, telekineses, Astrology, and magic are not real
The earth revolves around the sun
Man made climate change is not a hoax
You can eat Pop Rocks and drink soda
Cell phones don't cause cancer

......................................................................None of the above has anything to do with Prince!

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Clearly, if he has issues with the above topics, he needs to find the appropriate thread for those disussions.

right. to be clear, i've enjoyed Herb's company over the years as he is intelligent, articulate and fun. but i really resent it when other people who disagree with my curiosity about non-mainstream subjects attempt to shame me into backing down or becoming silent on a subject they might not enjoy/believe in.

this thread is for all theories and i specifically disagree with Herb's take on the topics listed above.

again, this is not meant as an attack on Herb. moreover, i'm sure my preachy old lady take on this is likely fairly annoying to him why can't we all just get along??

XxAxX said:

nelcp777 said:

I like herbs sense of humor and sarcasm. I agree with some of his/her logic. I do not think Prince was intentioanlly murdered. I think obtaining pills on the black market contributed to Prince's passing from tainted pills, hence the homicide charge. But not intentional.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy in Prince's death.

[Edited 11/30/16 9:17am]

you're entitled to your opinion, however here's the part of Herb's post i find unacceptable, insofar as it violates the forum rules, ignores the thread title and purpose, and goes on to attack other Orgers who are involved in the discussion:

Well, the good news is that at least we're down to only about 3 or 4 of the same crazy, die-hard, conspiratorial minded Scooby Doo detectives "working the case" and the overall silliness seems to have waned. The bad news is, now we're into "The RUSSIANS did it!" and "There was a guy with a breficase!" and there's still been a bit of numerology, lyric deciphering and "hidden message" foolishness. Reaching.

MuleFunk thinks he's a prophet and there's A Game Going On because "the media" is conspiring to release news about Prince in accordance with new information about music. It's confirmation bias is all it is. Seeing what you want to want to see and confusing correlation with causation. It's like waving a stick of butter in the air to keep golden dragons from attacking and then using the lack of any golden dragon related activity or sightings of golden dragons as "proof" that waving the butter stick works.

Again, so some of you can reach acceptance and get on with and simplify your lives

ps: this is NOT to say that i dislike HerB, he and his posts have always been thoughtful and intelligent. i've always appreciated his viewpoint over the years. except for the one above

[Edited 11/30/16 11:52am]

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Oh yea, and don't forget his eloquently-written post #967, where Herb4 went so far as to say we are "Brain dead lunatics" and "fuck you" to anyone who does not get their kids vaccinated!

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XxAxX said:

cloveringold85 said:

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XxaxX: I agree with you.

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Also, this thread is supposed to be discussions about "Prince", not:

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"Chemtrails" are bullshit
Vaccinations are good. They don't cause autism and you should vaccinate your kids
There is no Illuminatti
The election was not rigged
There is no "DaVinci Code"
9/11 was not an inside job
Man has landed on the moon
Crop circles are man made
There's no Bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster
Paul McCartney is alive
ESP, telekineses, Astrology, and magic are not real
The earth revolves around the sun
Man made climate change is not a hoax
You can eat Pop Rocks and drink soda
Cell phones don't cause cancer

......................................................................None of the above has anything to do with Prince!

.

Clearly, if he has issues with the above topics, he needs to find the appropriate thread for those disussions.

right. to be clear, i've enjoyed Herb's company over the years as he is intelligent, articulate and fun. but i really resent it when other people who disagree with my curiosity about non-mainstream subjects attempt to shame me into backing down or becoming silent on a subject they might not enjoy/believe in.

this thread is for all theories and i specifically disagree with Herb's take on the topics listed above.

again, this is not meant as an attack on Herb. moreover, i'm sure my preachy old lady take on this is likely fairly annoying to him why can't we all just get along??

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No offense, XxaxX, and with all due respect, I personally do not find Herb4's comments the least bit amusing. I've tried to engage in conversation with him in the past, and he continually insulted me, so I decided it was best for me to stop communicating with him. He can not and will not respect another person's opinion or point-of-view. I sincerely wish you luck, though!

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Honestly, I have no tolerance for that type of behavior.

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cloveringold85 said:

XxAxX said:

you're entitled to your opinion, however here's the part of Herb's post i find unacceptable, insofar as it violates the forum rules, ignores the thread title and purpose, and goes on to attack other Orgers who are involved in the discussion:

Well, the good news is that at least we're down to only about 3 or 4 of the same crazy, die-hard, conspiratorial minded Scooby Doo detectives "working the case" and the overall silliness seems to have waned. The bad news is, now we're into "The RUSSIANS did it!" and "There was a guy with a breficase!" and there's still been a bit of numerology, lyric deciphering and "hidden message" foolishness. Reaching.

MuleFunk thinks he's a prophet and there's A Game Going On because "the media" is conspiring to release news about Prince in accordance with new information about music. It's confirmation bias is all it is. Seeing what you want to want to see and confusing correlation with causation. It's like waving a stick of butter in the air to keep golden dragons from attacking and then using the lack of any golden dragon related activity or sightings of golden dragons as "proof" that waving the butter stick works.

Again, so some of you can reach acceptance and get on with and simplify your lives

ps: this is NOT to say that i dislike HerB, he and his posts have always been thoughtful and intelligent. i've always appreciated his viewpoint over the years. except for the one above

[Edited 11/30/16 11:52am]

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Oh yea, and don't forget his eloquently-written post #967, where Herb4 went so far as to say we are "Brain dead lunatics" and "fuck you" to anyone who does not get their kids vaccinated!

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oh my. bad day there perhaps. we all have bad days eh. i've long been subjected to ridicule for investigating far-out topics like the hollow earth theory wherein i was repeatedly bashed by folks who joined the thread only to mock those who were engaging in discussion.

i haven't been back to the politics and religion forum for quite some time for the same reason. i also know several orgers who have given up making threads about such allegedly *ridiculous* topics because of the unmoderated trolling that occurs.

not sure if there is a solution other than ignore, as we are all adults who should (by now) have developed either better social skills or the ability to stay away from topics that anger us.

XxAxX said:

nelcp777 said:

I like herbs sense of humor and sarcasm. I agree with some of his/her logic. I do not think Prince was intentioanlly murdered. I think obtaining pills on the black market contributed to Prince's passing from tainted pills, hence the homicide charge. But not intentional.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy in Prince's death.

[Edited 11/30/16 9:17am]

you're entitled to your opinion, however here's the part of Herb's post i find unacceptable, insofar as it violates the forum rules, ignores the thread title and purpose, and goes on to attack other Orgers who are involved in the discussion:

Well, the good news is that at least we're down to only about 3 or 4 of the same crazy, die-hard, conspiratorial minded Scooby Doo detectives "working the case" and the overall silliness seems to have waned. The bad news is, now we're into "The RUSSIANS did it!" and "There was a guy with a breficase!" and there's still been a bit of numerology, lyric deciphering and "hidden message" foolishness. Reaching.

MuleFunk thinks he's a prophet and there's A Game Going On because "the media" is conspiring to release news about Prince in accordance with new information about music. It's confirmation bias is all it is. Seeing what you want to want to see and confusing correlation with causation. It's like waving a stick of butter in the air to keep golden dragons from attacking and then using the lack of any golden dragon related activity or sightings of golden dragons as "proof" that waving the butter stick works.

Again, so some of you can reach acceptance and get on with and simplify your lives

ps: this is NOT to say that i dislike HerB, he and his posts have always been thoughtful and intelligent. i've always appreciated his viewpoint over the years. except for the one above

[Edited 11/30/16 11:52am]

And for the record, I am not condoning inappropriate remarks. I took Herbs comments as sarcasm with a little hint of humor, not very literally.

I have never remarked about anyone that I can recall in a negative manner. Herb has always provided great insight and perspective to some discusions. Does not mean I agree with every part of the posts or other orgers posts.

I enjoy reading the discussions and others opinions on the various topics here on the org. I try to not violate any of the org rules, and when I am wrong, I have no problem admitting such.

cloveringold i get it. there are certain orgers who routinely piss me off because they really enjoy hurling insults around and insisting that their opinions outweigh everyone else's.
but now, we're the ones jacking the thread by talking about other orgers so where does that put us...

there is a fairly new thread about trolling in the site dicussion forum...

[Edited 11/30/16 12:12pm]

cloveringold85 said:

CooperC62057 said:

cloveringold85 said: Has it ever been revealed whether the elevator was on the first or second floor?

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They found him in the elevator, on the first floor.

I need more clarity on this - sorry, Clover!

By FIRST floor, do you mean GROUND floor?

At Paisley Park, there is the BASEMENT (the vault and the garage), the GROUND floor (the atrium and studios), and the FIRST floor (where his bedroom / living quarters are situated).

So, was he on the same floor as his bedroom, which might suggest he took the pill(s) in his bedroom and then tried to go downstairs (perhaps in a panic to get outside), or had he taken the pill(s) in his studio, and was on his way up to bed?

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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They found him in the elevator, on the first floor.

I need more clarity on this - sorry, Clover!

By FIRST floor, do you mean GROUND floor?

At Paisley Park, there is the BASEMENT (the vault and the garage), the GROUND floor (the atrium and studios), and the FIRST floor (where his bedroom / living quarters are situated).

So, was he on the same floor as his bedroom, which might suggest he took the pill(s) in his bedroom and then tried to go downstairs (perhaps in a panic to get outside), or had he taken the pill(s) in his studio, and was on his way up to bed?

Did the elevator open to his living quarters or just to the level of his living quarters? I have never been inside PP, so I was wondering if Prince had to walk, so down a hallway to to the elevator or if it opened in his quarters.

Dibblekins said:

XxAxX said:

cloveringold i get it. there are certain orgers who routinely piss me off because they really enjoy hurling insults around and insisting that their opinions outweigh everyone else's.
but now, we're the ones jacking the thread by talking about other orgers so where does that put us...

there is a fairly new thread about trolling in the site dicussion forum...

[Edited 11/30/16 12:12pm]

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I don't hijack threads. That's PhatPhuk's job, LMAO!!

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Now, "that" is sarcasm!

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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They found him in the elevator, on the first floor.

I need more clarity on this - sorry, Clover!

By FIRST floor, do you mean GROUND floor?

At Paisley Park, there is the BASEMENT (the vault and the garage), the GROUND floor (the atrium and studios), and the FIRST floor (where his bedroom / living quarters are situated).

So, was he on the same floor as his bedroom, which might suggest he took the pill(s) in his bedroom and then tried to go downstairs (perhaps in a panic to get outside), or had he taken the pill(s) in his studio, and was on his way up to bed?

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Yes, the first floor, meaning "ground floor". When Prince would not answer calls to his room, his staff went to go look for him and when they opened the elevator, they discovered him unresponsive, as you already know.

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We don't know if he was going upstairs or trying to come downstairs. I haven't heard confirmation of that.

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I would think that if he fell ill in his studio, he would have called for help and would not have been able to make it to the elevator, imo.

cloveringold85 said:

Dibblekins said:

I need more clarity on this - sorry, Clover!

By FIRST floor, do you mean GROUND floor?

At Paisley Park, there is the BASEMENT (the vault and the garage), the GROUND floor (the atrium and studios), and the FIRST floor (where his bedroom / living quarters are situated).

So, was he on the same floor as his bedroom, which might suggest he took the pill(s) in his bedroom and then tried to go downstairs (perhaps in a panic to get outside), or had he taken the pill(s) in his studio, and was on his way up to bed?

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Yes, the first floor, meaning "ground floor". When Prince would not answer calls to his room, his staff went to go look for him and when they opened the elevator, they discovered him unresponsive, as you already know.

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We don't know if he was going upstairs or trying to come downstairs. I haven't heard confirmation of that.

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I would think that if he fell ill in his studio, he would have called for help and would not have been able to make it to the elevator, imo.

Did we ever find out if he had pills on his person, as was originally reported / suggested?

If not, I would be inclined to think he was coming down from his bedroom, as that is where the bottles of tablets were discovered, no?
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Dibblekins said: