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Reply #1110 posted 11/08/16 10:05am

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Nooriginalusername said:

laurarichardson said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I'm wondering are you a doctor, nurse or research assistant since you are persistent in putting out information based on "research" and presenting yourself as an expert in all matters. Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance. What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome. Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out. I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.

Here we go. I never said I was an expert on anything. I can read and the research is out there on this topic.

“Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance.”

I don’t have to be a part of a research trail to be able to read about them. Are you a doctor because you sound like a licensed substance abuse counselor which is not a medical doctor. Because some medical doctors are backing away from prescribing pain meds for the long haul due to the long term side effects and people becoming severely addicted.

I don’t care about the receptors in the brain the problem in a nutshell is that these pain meds can cause long term damage and many doctors don’t believe they should be used for pain management at all. If you are an addiction counselor you are dealing with people who are hooked and if doctors keep giving out these pills it keeps you employed.

“What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome.”

Yes, I have taken a statistics course and if you are implying that data is being manipulated to stop the wide spread use of pain pills the question would be why. Who is manipulating the data? Big Pharma wants to stay in the business of selling pain meds so that are not manipulating the data. So who is doing this? Right now the lawsuits and deaths are out there to back up what I am saying as this is becoming an epidemic. We are not talking about people using pain meds for recreation we are talking about people getting this stuff from their doctor and being over prescribed.

“Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out.”

First of all I doubt is 99% of the time and the 1% is important as anyone else. People are getting hooked on these pills because they are being prescribed for something as minor as a broken arm. I don’t think that every person who gets over prescribed is knocking back drinks while taking their meds. You can take out your liver by taking too much over the counter meds with acetaminophen and you don’t have to chase it with liquor.

Did anyone say that Prince was at the end stage of liver failure? He could have very well have been at the beginning or somewhere in the middle of that situation. What we do know is that he did not look good starting in January as those pics from Australia are showing a much different face than the pics from November of 2015. What we do know is that Dr.S wrote him meds that were not controlled substances and that he was bringing him test results the day he died. What we do know is that if he had any organ problems he would have had to stop taking pain meds as his organs would not be able to handle them anymore and we know how hard it is to get off of these meds. He was not in a rehab he was seeing Dr S on an outpatient basis for withdrawals. Why not just go in a rehab and gradually step down? What we do know is that his sister is saying that she knew he was going to die to years ago right around the time he got back his masters and set up the LLC. What we do know is that Dr. S is listed on at least one website as a critical care doctor and that he has no background in pain management or addiction.

All of the things I have listed are factual and the fact that he may have had an illness along with pain management issue are plausible.

“I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.”

Yes, because you know I grabbed the first article I saw and just used that for my theory.

You know this because you have ESP? I have done quite a lot of reading on this and I have spoken to medical professionals at no time have I said I am right and everybody else is wrong. I have a theory based on the facts that I believe is plausible. You have come here promoting the use of pain meds and ignoring the damages that they do to people and ignoring the odd things surrounding Prince’s homicide case.

I have NEVER once promoted the use of pain meds, nor have I ignored the damages that they do to people. NEVER once have I ignored the odd things around Prince's death. You clearly have great insecurities, as you are quick to make false accusations, dismiss someone as a "troll" or outright curse them out if they don't join in your hypothesis. What I do have issue with is:

!. People-such as yourself- who have cruelly slandered the name and reputation of other persons by accusing them of murder, without any factual evidence.

2. People-such as yourself- who won't even consider anyone else as legit. unless they agree with you.

3. People-such as yourself- who feel the need to curse at other members of this board and treat others with blatent disrespect, trying to turn other posters against them and creating school yard drama, yet become hyperdefensive when anyone questions your thoughts or asks for evidence. I note you rare provide where you get your information when asked.

4. People -such as yourself-who throw out medical information as fact because they have "talked" to someone or read it and believe that makes them more knowledgable than someone who actually is an educated and licensed professional.

You can dance your happy dance because this is quite possibly the last post or visit I will make to this site. For the life of me, I can't understand how the moderators would even allow the nonsense that goes on here to continue if they hope this would be a respected and legitimate site. Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought that a community of persons who claim to be fans of Prince would come to a site and be so nasty and disrespectful of one another and towards him, his family members and his friends. Clearly few here are interested in intellegent discourse about the Artist, his accomplishments or his music- nor finding the truth about what happened, it's just a bunch of people trying to prove they're right through what ever means they can find somewhere on the web. Good luck eating each other alive.

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[Edited 11/1/16 18:40pm]

Sorry to see they've basically run you off too nooriginalusername. You were one of a handful of orgers whose opinion I gelled with on this thread. Good luck to the few of you hanging in there. I just couldn't.
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It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN

Tresha68	laurarichardson said: PennyPurple said: It wasn't a terminal illness that killed him, it was an illegal street drug. // No one every said he was killed by a terminal illness. I personally believe he had a terminal illness. My opinion ONLY. BUT- I also believe he suffered chronic pain and addiction. He was, afterall, human.
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zenarose	CooperC62057 said: So......here we are. Evening all, glad we're back! Hey Coop! I just found this. Thought you may be interested. //// http://kstp.com/news/hennepin-county-fentanyl-bust-largest-minnesota-history/4313380/
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laurarichardso n	sonshine said: zenarose said: CooperC62057 said: So.....here we are. Evening all, glad we're back! Hey Coop! I just found this. Thought you may be interested. //// http://kstp.com/news/hennepin-county-fentanyl-bust-largest-minnesota-history/4313380/ This is good news. Wow. /// No arrest so the deaths will continue.
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