If you think the dealer's thought process is mind-boggling, how about the users' thought process?

This one guy — Marvin Seppala — chief medical officer at the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation in Minnesota — says it is the addicts themselves that are intentionally seeking out the most lethal stuff they can find…

The night before the news came out that Prince had passed over because of Fentanyl and that pills disguised as hydracodone were found at PP and that one pill would have killed a person, there was an org thread on which people were grieving and sad and frustrated with the lack of information. I unintentionally stayed up reading that night and the next until it was almost time for me to get up. My eyes were screen-blitzed and, honestly, I was emotionally and mentally drained. Initially I could catch up with these threads, but at this point it is impossible, at least for me. I apologize in advance if I take up too much space for something, especially if it has been thoroughly covered. I do imagine though that at some point I will agree, disagree or expand upon something or ask a question and I hope this is the right thread for that.

When I heard that P had passed over due to an accidental opioid overdose I was sad and a little surprised, but I will think well of him and all he accomplished regardless, and I will continue to enjoy, appreciate and share his music, videos and movies. As a certified teacher, I have at times taught and served students, youth and adults, with drug histories and even addictions. In my personal life, I have loved and continue to love people who have suffered addiction with varying degrees of successful recovery. I am unaware of any part of myself that requires anyone, including P to be above the human condition, though being completely honest I plan and hope to never fall in love with someone who is still in an active addiction mode. I don't want to be predjudiced, but I have been there and he was worth it, but it was so extremely hard I hope to never revisit it. My prayers go out to all experiencing this.

This post may be long enough so I think I will end here for a moment.

Peace and Love to U all

When I heard the news, my thoughts did not go to the many newspaper stories about the opioid epidemic that I had read, TV in-depth coverage of the synthetic drug problem, or the then recent Minn raid. It didn't even go to a much loved relative on pain meds, tho I did review toxicity signs later. (All good here.) Surprisingly, my mind went to a US nat'l news story within the last couple years about Americans, particularly seniors, with legitimate prescriptions trying to buy Canadian meds online. DEA and BP reps have publicly stated that it actually is NOT legal for people in the US to buy drugs from other countries and bring them here (unless it is an emergency?) or buy them online, but that their focus is on counterfeit drugs and illegal narcotics, not keeping people from buying more affordable meds so it usually is not enforced. I can vouch for the fact that at at least two Mexican borders some Americans and Canadian winter visitors do fill American prescriptions and if seeing a dentist, for instance, get and fill Mexican prescriptions and declare meds at the crossing.

There were (are?) American bus tours to Canada for the purpose of buying prescriptions meds that are believed to be so much cheaper because of the socialized medicine. People became able to order these online and many new pharmacies sprang up, at least online. People, again particularly seniors, started to show up at their doctors offices with problems that appeared to stem from their meds not working. When the drs learned how the patients were getting their meds they had the pills tested. None of those drugs have ever been reported to have been toxic, but they had no medicine in them! I realize that money would not have been an issue for Prince and that he had probably heard these stories, too, so day after day for months I pushed the thought aside.

Some of what I write next will sound a little bit vague at first, but if you will bear with me, I will explain and it may be worth your while. Even if there is no direct connection to P, you or someone you know/love may find this info useful.

I finally gave in to the recurring thought on Sept. 15th or 16th, 2016. I read an article from what I thought was only one of a couple online only type "newspapers" that I am familiar and confident enough in to recommend. The news was that the US government/agency had arrested a named man, COO I believe (or CEO) of a named company that had been contracted by a Canadian governmental agency (CCC, I believe, Canadian something Commerce which does connect with their health and drugs when I looked it up on Canadian gov't website.) At the time, the man's name and company name and info, when google searched, matched and was expanded upon. At least part of this man's job was to oversee/ensure safety of prescription meds sold online (I believe particularly sold to Americans. It turns out, based on Canadian government website info that 60% of Canadian med sells/exports are to US and 39% of ours/US med/exports go to Canada. This was meds, not equipment.) The meds were suppose to be up to Canadian standard and be made in Canada The man allegedly took bribes and luxury trips and was reported to have had a garage full of counterfeit drugs. I remember one of the countries (unless they meant continent?!?) the drugs were believed to come from was Africa. It was not explained if these drugs had been tested yet or why that was believed. A named company rep made a public statement saying that it was not believed the counterfeit drugs were purchased online by individual Americans filling individual prescriptions, because "these" drugs "were sent" to American cancer clinics, American doctors and their offices!

I showed this story to a family member and we wondered together why we had not heard of this. Was it being "crushed" under election coverage, were media asked to wait until an investigation was completed, was there fear of widespread panic?

I waited and never heard a thing. Halloween night I finally decided to do a search online even though I had three screens of this info open on my phone. I couldn't find it even though I tried a dozen ways and then maybe a dozen more. Because of the way the different "pages" roll up on each other on my phone I could read a couple sentences but not names. With each screen, as I opened/enlarged it, it was immediately redirected to a screen that said that Canadian pharmaceuticals were safe and to a standard but there was no real info there as in no explanation of standards or statutes. I promise you, I am not a conspiracy theorist, but for the briefest moment it did feel the tiniest bit too close to Orwell's 1984. It made no difference what search engine I used - google, yahoo, bing, aol - none had the story although they did all have paid ads for buying Canadian drugs online. That probably means nothing, but it did seem worth noting.

What I did find was a similar story out of Montana involving a company called Canada Drugs and also written as canadadrugs.com An interesting point here is that this story broke I believe in Aug. 2015, but after it was reported this man Ram Kamath was arrested as part of an international drug and particularly cancer drug smuggling conspiracy and that an American drug (possibly health and drug company) in Montana had been bought by Canada Drugs and that mislabeled, counterfeit and unapproved cancer drugs, and some other meds had been sent to hospitals and patients, this story seemed to disappear. It was reported by print journalists to be not exactly sealed but "closed." The man had his day in court recently so now info is again flowing. Kamath has had his prosecution deferred in an agreement so he has a set amount of time to fulfill prosecutors'/US Attorney General's (publicly unspecified as far as I can tell) requirements as the case against 13 more defendents/canadadrugs.com and its affiliates. The accusation is that the company and its associates in the UK and Barbados sole $78 million in illegal prescription drugs to US drs.

Oh, you can read about the canadiandugs.com case at billingsgazzette.com

In Sept., when I came across the case that I am guessing disappeared while investigators do their jobs, I decided to look up hospitials that serve Jehovah Witnesses as per their faith. also known as hospitals performing bloodless surgery. The first two to "pop up" are, I believe, world renowned institutions that would not want to be associated with this post and its topic and I can respect that, even though one of them had this problem in the past. (I know the NY Times ran the counterfeit cancer drug story in 2009.) There also are a couple hospitals that serve JWs in Los Angeles and several throughout California. And yes, one of the two in LA is also a cancer treatment center, and is in fact why, since the late '80s, I have known that such hospitals exist. (The Mother of someone close to me became a JW and needed surgery.) I had looked these up in part because I thought Prince probably did have a surgery at sometime somewhere. I am uncertain at this moment how many people have been effected by these cases, but of course one is too many.

I am not saying that Prince had cancer. I am not saying these specific cases directly effected Prince. I am saying that these might remind us that people going through legitimate medical channels unfortunately still have REPEATEDLY ended up with counterfeit drugs. I think this also may point out how even when there is a legal business and named employees, it can take awhile for someone (even the first of many) to be arrested and a case built.

I did not mean to take over here so I will stop for now.

Peace and Love to U all

That's a pretty awesome story, playinthesunshine1. Thanks for weighing in with it. Your post is the first I'd heard of it.

Thanks for the canadiandugs.com & billingsgazzette.com domain names too. But when you "quote" an online news report, it's kinda good netiquette to always provide the actual links to precisely the specific pages where you read the news story.

If you could share the links to the specific pages you read, you would save time for those of us who are interested in reading the whole the story ourselves — but who don't know our way around the domain names you mentioned, as well as you probably do. That way, we would know that we are all on the same page — literally : د )

And I — for one — am interested in this tory. But you see, it's just that I have limited time — {and patience} — to hunt the links down myself. Since you have already found the page links, it would be awesome if you would save us some time in that department, playinthesunshine1 : د )

Thanks in advance for those specific page links, playinthesunshine1. Looking forward to reading more about this

[Edited 11/20/16 6:02am]

I still think it was an accidental overdose. But it does seem as though there was an underlying illness, which I'd imagine to be cancer.

How about that! Prince's pain pill dependency "rumours" have enjoyed a rich history here on prince.org. Haven't they?

• The Hollywood Scoop - Prince poping pain killers are you worried
  
  
• More hip-trouble rumors?
  
  
• Prince: So Hip He Needs Two New Ones
  
  

phatphuk said:

The Hollywood Scoop - Prince poping pain killers are you worried

http://www.hollyscoop.com...20498.aspx

Prince Refuses Hip Replacement Because of Religion

June 09, 2009

by:

Bridget Daly

Singer Prince is in dire need of hip replacement surgery, but won’t get it! Hollyscoop reported back in 2008 that he was looking into going under the knife, after years and years of dancing had finally caught up with him

But the latest development is that Prince not only needs both hips replaced, but that he’s refusing to undergo the surgery! According to The Hollywood Reporter, Prince refuses to have the surgery because it interferes with his religion. He became a Jehovah’s Witness in 2001, and the religion bans blood transfusions. A source tells THR, “He's in a lot of pain. He's popping pain killers and hoping it will all go away.”

What religion would allow the use of pain killers but not necessary surgery?! We think it’s time for Prince to reevaluate! He already declined to fix one hip in 2005, but now both are in need of a replacement. There were reports of him having a “secret” surgery, but those reports haven’t been confirmed

Poor Prince! We hope he just goes through with so he’s not confined to a wheelchair! There doesn’t seem to be any alternative.

How about that! Prince's pain pill dependency "rumours" have enjoyed a rich history here on prince.org. Haven't they?

• The Hollywood Scoop - Prince poping pain killers are you worried
  
  
• More hip-trouble rumors?
  
  
• Prince: So Hip He Needs Two New Ones
  
  

This comes from a tabloid so it means nothing.

1) According to Billy Sparks in a interview with Tom Joyner that was on the radio he said Prince did not have hip replacement surgery he had hip surgery. Tavis Smiley also said Prince had surgery and their is a mention of surgery by Prince himself in a 2010 Ebony article which was reprinted in the Washington Post a few months ago. You can stop acting as if you have discovered something new.

When people have surgery they are given pain meds everybody gets them and the last time I looked it is not evil or illegal to have a Rx for pain meds after a surgery or be on pain managment.

We have established he had surgery and that he used pain meds. He was seeing a doctor for withdrawals. We have not had is one shread of proof that he was a drug addict or that he did not have other health issues.

You can keep ignoring the information that has been posted and you can get ignoring the things that people who worked with him are saying if you want to but a this point you are merely taking up a lot of space on this board and are going to fail to destroy these topics.

We all know what you are trying to do so give up.

[Edited 11/20/16 13:25pm]

Laura: PhatPhuk will not respond to you. He ignores all of us, even after we have provided accurate information and facts with links provided. I know you mean well, but it's just not going to work with PhatPhuk.

I'm amazed that Phatphuk isn't bored of trolling yet. He must have so much free time on his hands. Just ignore him.

…O-o-o-o-h-h-h! Old prince.org threads are a rich seam of Prince Death: Information & Theories gold!

Like, what about this from Morris Day's son — Derran Day — describing his Pops' post-hip replacement surgery pain management…

Interesting! No? ¦: دⱭ

Thank you all so much for your very nice words. I was nervous because I wrote so much and none of you know me even as an orger yet. PP I apologize about the links I did read the rules This laptop was repaired lately but now after I type a few words the cursor jumps back and starts inserting new typing in the middle of previously written words and makes it a little frustrating and more time consuming. That is why I haven't even managed to get an avatar yet I have been following the org on my phone I am guessing you would like links to the current case in Montana and maybe a link to the old 2009 case I will try, but it may be late tonight or tomorrow before I get to it because of the little difficulty and I haven't linked anything here yet.

I also believe that Prince died because of an accicental overdose. I think it was labeled as, or he believed it be, something other than Fetanyl

When I hear that anyone has died of an accidental overdose, I think it is sad and I say a little prayer for them and mostly those grieving them (I tend to think those/most who have passed on are doing fine.) When I hear that the person probably died because a drug was disguised/mislabeled and had enough of an ingredient in one pill to kill him, I think it is even sadder, tragic and that someone or ones need to be stopped. When I then read, from unnamed sources, that this same person among dozens - not hundreds - of pills had some labeled hydracodone that actually contained U-47700, I stop and think Hm, I suppose, sadly, it could happen nowadays. When I then read that unnamed sources close to the investigation say that one of the other pills contained three different meds in it including one that is an anti-seizure pill, I think What?!?!? That seems like just too much for me. It is not my area of expertise, but I thought that people creating illegal drugs tended to pick a readily available, cheap ingredient to cut their drugs with or use in place of a real med because the fewer ingredents and people or places involved the less risk there was of getting caught and there was less to trace. Of course, I also thought that illegal drug dealers use to cut their drugs with things like vitamin B or baby powder or even powdered milk like on one of the last episodes this summer of Fear the Walking Dead (It was STARTLINGLY easy to do!) So many different substances suggest a larger organization to me, unless Prince had several different illegal drug dealers, and I am just not seeing that. Of course, he may have ordered something legally or illegally online. As a former reporter and editor (and very ethical) this is - please forgive the word - overkill. I need to take a short break and I will come back and explain that.

I want to write a little about some of the media coverage. I am not going to feel too bad right now about not being able to immediately provide links because of the computer prob and I think most of you on this thread and those reading it have seen it all before and disch has done such a tremendous job repeatedly organizing info. (Thank you disch!)

We had the man with all the hair tell the press - a tabloid if I remember correctly but I am not attempting to be disrespectful - that he had sold Prince drugs for years. It was the article with photos of what were said to be Fentanyl patches. The man was, I believe in disguise, which might explain why he was willing to talk about committing illegal acts and in any way connect himself to the death of another human being perhaps especially one as well known and well loved as Prince. Also, if you are a drug dealer and talk to the press about your illegal business and allow yourself to be photographed, who is going to sell you the drugs you sell to others, unless of course he was making those Fentanyl patches all by himself. I believe the story was that he was (conveniently) in England. He could have been paid to do this, but if I were a betting woman, I would bet BIG that this man is no drug dealer or at least he is not the one who gave the interview. He was planted there on purpose and in this case I would guess the people at the paper just behaved as they usually do and may be none the wiser. Different papers may have been approached to check for response. The fewer people told anything, the fewer slips and fewer people possibly put in danger.

We had a man who was said to be a lawyer claim that two now deceased individuals in the '90s told him that they bought drugs for Prince. As far as I could tell being the "straw" person involved getting someone else to get a real prescription med and sell or give it to them. I can't even find this story now to get this lawyer's name and attempt to look him up at least online. It is too convenient that the people are deceased. How can even a family member prove this didn't happen and I never saw any real proof it did. Even if this did occur and this had something to do with P and Duane having some sort of reported fallout/restraining order, I would think Prince would have learned from it. There aren't just holes in this story, it is a hole. It is something else planted intentionally I think. Sorry, will be right back.

Welcome back, playinthesunshine1 : د )

When I mentioned, "nettiquette", earlier, I wasn't talking about "The Rules" of prince.org. I meant "nettiquette" in the sense of "the considerate thing to do for lazy, time-strapped readers like moi".

And please don't feel you need to rush for any reason. There's nothing fancy or technical about pasting plain old text urls into the prince.org post editor. So by all means. Take your time : د )

I look forward to your next post. You have some interesting angles that I — and I'm sure others — would appreciate you elaborating on further — at your own convenience, of course : د )

PP Thank you for your kind words. My laptop decided it needed to configure some part of itself and I lost all I had just written so I will try to be back later tonight. I don't think I can do it all on my phone.

playinthesunshine1 said:

PP Thank you for your kind words. My laptop decided it needed to configure some part of itself and I lost all I had just written so I will try to be back later tonight. I don't think I can do it all on my phone.

Thank you for the posts. Very insightful information and very useful for this topic.

I welcome your thoughts. The family seems IMO to be acting as if he died of natural causes and are moving on, and the fams are acting like they don't know what actually happened for the most part, because we don't know what happened, and we aren't moving on. All we know is the immediate cause of death. If only we could find out what happened in the last month of his life.

CooperC62057 said:

I'm going to say it again against all popular thought here. I don't believe P's struggles with his dependence on pain meds recently came about. I believe he had struggled with this for sometime and perhaps had even had an overdose at home at some point that was kept quiet. After watching Tyka's interview where she says she had two years to prepare for this and a conversation with P in which he told her that he had done everything he had set out to, I am even more convinced. What better time than during family interventions to discuss life. What better time than during that struggle for those that love you to prepare themselves for what could happen the next time. Please, my apologies to those who do not want to consider this. Let me be the first to say that if it turns out I am wrong in this belief, you are welcome to be in my face with the "I told you so's". It's just what I personally believe. How he got the laced pills, well, those are answers we'd all like and that justice be served.

Good post, CooperC62057 and I agree with you. I hope no one takes that offensively either. I don't feel Prince was telling Tyka he was dying 2 years ago and I feel it went down more as you described.

CooperC62057 said:

I'm going to say it again against all popular thought here. I don't believe P's struggles with his dependence on pain meds recently came about. I believe he had struggled with this for sometime and perhaps had even had an overdose at home at some point that was kept quiet. After watching Tyka's interview where she says she had two years to prepare for this and a conversation with P in which he told her that he had done everything he had set out to, I am even more convinced. What better time than during family interventions to discuss life. What better time than during that struggle for those that love you to prepare themselves for what could happen the next time. Please, my apologies to those who do not want to consider this. Let me be the first to say that if it turns out I am wrong in this belief, you are welcome to be in my face with the "I told you so's". It's just what I personally believe. How he got the laced pills, well, those are answers we'd all like and that justice be served.

Well I think you are wrong. The question she was asked was how long did she think it would take to get over his death. She said she knew for two years and she still was not ready.

Her answer in the context of him being strung out on drugs enough so he had given up and was prepared to die from them does not make sense since he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals which would mean he was in the process of getting off of them. He also seems to have been able to travel and work pretty damm hard for someone hooked on pain pills so bad he was ready to die.

In addtion, if he had given up why no will and why no seculsion and withdrawal from people?

Listen to Adrian and many other people who worked with him have said. His work habits and behaviors do not match someone who felt he could not beat an addittion that was so bad he had given up and was prepared to die.

I belive he was using pain pills but I do not think he started to abuse them until he started to really have some pain.

You do not have a doctor bring you test results unless something is really wrong and the Carver County report from 2014 and 2015 said a male was taken to the hospital for dehydration even Prince cannot force the EMTs to forge the records. He went to the hosptial for dehyrdation those two times not rehab.

I am not saying he was never in a rehab or never took pain meds but do not underestimate what these pills can do to your organs over the long haul. Even if he was coming off of them the damage may have be done. He could have very well have beaten his addiction or was stepping down only to have these tainted pills and long term use put him on the road to the end.

[Edited 11/21/16 17:39pm]

[Edited 11/21/16 17:44pm]

How in the world could a post on the topic of Pain Pills — written in a thread with a topic of Pain Pills — ever be considered "Trolling"?!?!?

Don't you even understand — at least at some level? — how hilariously absurd that sounds? HaHaHaHaHa!

For triggering my best belly laugh of the day, jjam my friend, you've earned your place on Santa's List.

The caveat though for your induction into this exclusive club is that — happily for me — your "Amazing Troll" post is the last post of yours that I will ever see.

You'll be "amazed", jjam, at how "amazingly well" my Ignore d'Ignint application will be ignoring your absurdities from now on. Just ask your cronies.

So to spare you from looking even more absurd, it's only fair to warn you that any future posts that you address to yours truly — will, henceforce, make you look even worse than if you were actually Talking To The Hand. Because you'll only be talking to yourself. And imagine how amazingly absurd that will look. HaHaHaHaHa!

phatphuk said:

...In fact, fortuneandserendipity, it is that very absense of a personal relationship with Prince that gives the ME's conclusion more scientific credibility. It's called Objectivity

If one of prince.org's rabid Prince fans were to do Prince's autopsy, their conclusion would be too Subjective. Because they would let their emotions for Prince cancel out the objective, scientific analysis that is encumbant upon medical examiners.

If someone were a fan they would conduct themselves in a professional manner.

phatphuk said:

jjam said:

I'm amazed that Phatphuk isn't bored of trolling yet. He must have so much free time on his hands. Just ignore him

How in the world could a post on the topic of Pain Pills — written in a thread with a topic of Pain Pills — ever be considered "Trolling"?!?!?

Don't you even understand — at least at some level? — how hilariously absurd that sounds? HaHaHaHaHa!

For triggering my best belly laugh of the day, jjam my friend, you've earned your place on Santa's List.

The caveat though for your induction into this exclusive club is that — happily for me — your "Amazing Troll" post is the last post of yours that I will ever see.

You'll be "amazed", jjam, at how "amazingly well" my Ignore d'Ignint application will be ignoring your absurdities from now on. Just ask your cronies.

So to spare you from looking even more absurd, it's only fair to warn you that any future posts that you address to yours truly — will, henceforce, make you look even worse than if you were actually Talking To The Hand. Because you'll only be talking to yourself. And imagine how amazingly absurd that will look. HaHaHaHaHa!

You are carrying on about some ingnore application that no one on this board or topic gives a shit about and you think other orgers are absurd.

1Sasha said:

I welcome your thoughts. The family seems IMO to be acting as if he died of natural causes and are moving on, and the fams are acting like they don't know what actually happened for the most part, because we don't know what happened, and we aren't moving on. All we know is the immediate cause of death. If only we could find out what happened in the last month of his life.

Exactly, but do not worry sooner or later we are going to find out what was going on. Those test results that Dr. S were bring to him will be reveled. Whatever Rx Dr. S wrote for him will come out and his family may have more to say once the estate is settled.

laurarichardson said:

CooperC62057 said:

laurarichardson said:

Well I think you are wrong. The question she was asked was how long did she think it would take to get over his death. She said she knew for two years and she still was not ready.

Her answer in the context of being on strung out on drugs enough so he had given up and was prepared to die from them does not make sense see he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals which would mean he was in the process of getting off of them. He also seems to have been able to travel and work putting damm hard for someone hooked on pain pills so bad he was ready to die.

In addtion, he had given up why no will and why no seculsion and withdrawal from people?

Listen to Adrian and many other people who worked with him have said. I beleive he was using pain pills but I do not think he started to abuse them until he started to really have some pain. You do not have a doctor bring you test results unless something is really wrong and the Carver County report from 2014 and 2015 said a male was taken to the hospital for dehydration even Prince cannot force the EMTs to forge the records. He went to the hosptial for dehyrdation those two times not rehab.

I am not saying he was never in a rehab or never took pain meds.

LR, I understand your position and I respect that, I truly do. I almost wish that you are able to prove that there were coexisting illness or anything else besides opiate addiction. I wish opiate addiction didn't even exist! However, you are reading me wrong. I never said anything about P giving up or being willing to die for drugs - I am referring to a conversation that could have occurred during an overdose or scare in that Tyka or other family members may have implored him to seek help. It would not have been outside the realm of possibility for him to not have recognized the seriousness of the problem or to have felt that he could handle it on his own. It happens. I could then see them desperately stressing that continued use of these pills could cause his death to which he may have replied that he was going to be fine - and if not, he had done what he had set out in life to do. I have had these conversations, LR. They happen. Hours and hours and hours of conversation with people that are smart, people that want to live. And you know what? They are in recovery - they are being treated - the dependence on opiates is not as simple as just walking away. There is a real, true, physical dependence. His doctor was delivering test results? You continue to reject that those tests could have been results that would show his system clean of opiates so that he could successfully begin the treatment with suboxone that was being brought to him. And don't tell me that no one was licensed to administer it - they weren't worried about that until after P was found dead - they were going to administer it - P would have just needed to put it on his tongue and let it dissolve - no magic science to that. I'll just agree to disagree with you.

1) I almost wish that you are able to prove that there were coexisting illness or anything else besides opiate addiction

I can’t prove anything because I do not have access to P’s medical records and neither do you. I can tell you that from what Adrian said and what the promoter at the Atlanta show said Prince went to that show in Atlanta not feeling 100% not out of it or crazy high. He was seeing a doctor for withdrawals meaning he was coming off of drugs maybe not going about it the right way but he was making an effort and this has never been a secret from almost the beginning of the investigation.

So it is not outside the realm of possibility of him seeking help because he was. No need for Tyka to think the end was coming for the reason of drug addiction if he was getting help.

2) These drugs even if you have an Rx can seriously damage your organs and the side effect in and of themselves are devastating. If he had organ damage he would have had to come off of these pills. I am not sure why you addiction experts keep discounting this if he was managing on these meds why is it so hard to believe he needed to get off of them quickly due to health issues from them. From the conversation Adrian had with him prior to that show I bet he had no idea the stuff he was using to step down what tainted. I bet those test were about to tell him that information or worst.

3) Maybe you do not know about the half a dozen people who kept tweeting that we don’t know the whole story. What is the whole story? Do you think the whole story is just about addiction and that people would say the “whole story “ if there was no whole story?

You and I will just have to agree to disagree.