muleFunk said:

Folks who believe this was suicide......

He did not know this pill had a lethal amount of Fentanyl. {assumption}

The dose of Fentanyl in his system was enough to have killed several large men{uncorroborated report} and it was found in pills in his belongings as well.{unproven but highly likely}

[Edited 10/16/16 13:30pm]

muleFunk said:

muleFunk said:

Folks who believe this was suicide......

He did not know this pill had a lethal amount of Fentanyl.

The dose of Fentanyl in his system was enough to have killed several large men and it was found in pills in his belongings as well.

How do you know what he knew muleFunk?

He had a strangely small number of these pills. It appears he might not have taken any of them prior to the 21st if it wasn't in his system.

So, was the fentanyl found in the same concentration in all the remaining pills or did it vary? - Was this a rogue pill or not?

How many pills did he take?

What had he been taking previously?

When did he get this batch of pills, who from and why?

Do we know anything about the fentanyl to help us figure out what circumstances were most likely?

The ME's conclusions can't be relied upon as accidental is the default position e.g.

The 21^st-century epidemic of pharmaceutical and other drug-intoxication deaths in the United States (US) has likely precipitated an increase in misclassified, undercounted suicides. Drug-intoxication suicides are highly prone to be misclassified as accident

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Germane to undercounting, standards tend to be very stringent for supporting a determination of suicide in the US and other democratic, higher-income countries [28–30]

The bigger question is why would it bother people more than the alternatives? People seem happier to believe he was abusing unregulated street drugs so badly that Tyka knew his death was imminent and going through that hell than he took control of his own passing (either that or they write Tyka off as a fool who grieves for 2 years mistakenly - Tyka will soon realise why P didn't waste time explaining things to people). But iare they possible? I guess they both are. Is one worse than the other? Both would be equally terrible - I wouldn't want either to have happened to him. Do we have enough evidence to rule out either? I haven't seen any! Why do so many then write as if they know the answer but Tyka is a clueless fool?

fortuneandserendipity said:

I believe if he had been suffering from a terminal illness, news of that would have dropped by now.

Maybe it has but it's just not "out" there yet?

sunset3121 said:

He had a strangely small number of these pills. It appears he might not have taken any of them prior to the 21st if it wasn't in his system.

So, was the fentanyl found in the same concentration in all the remaining pills or did it vary? - Was this a rogue pill or not?

How many pills did he take?

What had he been taking previously?

When did he get this batch of pills, who from and why?

Do we know anything about the fentanyl to help us figure out what circumstances were most likely?

The ME's conclusions can't be relied upon as accidental is the default position e.g.

The 21^st-century epidemic of pharmaceutical and other drug-intoxication deaths in the United States (US) has likely precipitated an increase in misclassified, undercounted suicides. Drug-intoxication suicides are highly prone to be misclassified as accident

...

Germane to undercounting, standards tend to be very stringent for supporting a determination of suicide in the US and other democratic, higher-income countries [28–30]

The bigger question is why would it bother people more than the alternatives? People seem happier to believe he was abusing unregulated street drugs so badly that Tyka knew his death was imminent and going through that hell than he took control of his own passing (either that or they write Tyka off as a fool who grieves for 2 years mistakenly - Tyka will soon realise why P didn't waste time explaining things to people). But iare they possible? I guess they both are. Is one worse than the other? Both would be equally terrible - I wouldn't want either to have happened to him. Do we have enough evidence to rule out either? I haven't seen any! Why do so many then write as if they know the answer but Tyka is a clueless fool?

It's worth noting for those who don't realize/know that Minnesota is NOT a right to die state.

Tyka knows exactly what she is talking about. Never doubted that for one minute.

Mumio said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I believe if he had been suffering from a terminal illness, news of that would have dropped by now.

Maybe it has but it's just not "out" there yet?

Why? Why let the "rock star drug addict" narrative override everything else?

cloveringold85 said:

Dibblekins said:

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Hmmm...Not convinced, Clover...I just don't see why someone (ie Tyka) would be 'grieving' for two years, and 'waiting for the call' if Prince had made it plain that all he was preparing was for a retirement / slowing things down, etc etc...

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In fact, his actions and plans suggest that he was in no way going to retire / slow down - oh no; he was going to go out with a bang, lol - a sudden flurry of frenetic activity (again, not unusual in a person - or animal - who senses that the 'end is nigh').

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Now that's not to say he had a terminal - or critical - illness. As many have indicated, we just don't know - but I don't see his having plans (which, ultimately, didn't come to fruition) as being evidence AGAINST him having 'something' going on with his health.

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Fair enough. Although, I do not take what Tyka says as gospel.

I agree. I think the fact that she contradicted herself in how she handled the news of his death makes people question if she might have exaggerated something. This is no offense to Tyka in any way, please. I am not her and I certainly don't know how she feels, but I felt almost like she was mixing some hindsight into her comments. Only she knows. But it raises questions as to why she would say such a thing especially at this delicate time when there is still an investigation going on in addition to the fact that the final determination was an accidental OD. Why say something that would stir up questions as to whether there was something else going on? Especially when she didn't and still doesn't seem willing to elaborate on what she meant. It's just adding fuel to the fire and why do that? Exactly. I don't think she would try to do that, so I just feel that she misspoke and was drawing on mostly her own feelings, especially in hindsight, and not things that Prince necessarily told her. Just some thoughts and not facts mind you. I don't know anymore than anyone else.

MMJas said:

MMJas said:

Mumio said:

Maybe it has but it's just not "out" there yet?

Why? Why let the "rock star drug addict" narrative override everything else?

Wow. I was thinking the same thing yesterday. If Prince was sick why aren't his family and associates being more vocal about defending him against the "rock star drug addict" narrative???

If the media was doing that to a family member of mine i'd be like "Hey leave him alone he was sick." I'd be screaming it from the hilltops. The Prince camp is clearly not doing that.

The only thing Tyka's provocative and deliberately vague comments have accomplished is keeping some uncomfortable theories firmly on the table (like AIDS and suicide).

For example, if Prince had AIDS and instructed Tyka to keep it a secret then that would explain why the Prince camp is either being silent or vague.

If it was suicide, they are being silent or vague because they wouldn't want Prince's legacy to be that on April 21st he got messed up on drugs and decided to kill himself.

I am going to put this forth...Why does it matter if he had a terminal illness or not? He obviously OD'ed before the sickness killed him. And why does it matter if he knew two years ago he was going to die? The only reason why either of these things would be relevant would be if it was suicide. I don't believe it was AIDS or suicide tho.

TopazGirl said:

SPRAKA said:

2olskool4u said:

I know there's only a few facts out there at the moment, so it's all speculation, but if i was told "sorry sir, there aint nothing we can do for you, you may have a year, you may have 3, by the way, when you do come to the end of your time, you will be in lots of pain and be feeble, while the world watches on, oh yeah, these tablets may help, but please be careful, they will kill you pronto"!

Yes. I'm acknowledging that because of Tyka's comments and behaviour, it's entirely possible he had AIDS and killed himself (even though I choose not to believe it).

morningsong said:

The odd piece out for me regarding the idea that Prince had a terminal illness is Tamaron Hall's last statement about being completely unaware of Prince's addiction to painkillers with no indication on her part of any illness. She's a journalist on some part of Today, Tyka had an interview on Today. I would have figured by now Tyka and Tamaron would have had some type of private one on one talk about what happened with him. Maybe not, but it seesm most likely for Tamaron to make such a definitive statement.

It could be that his illness was liver failure because of pain meds, in which case she might not make a distinction.

That's not to say he was or was not addicted; these drugs can hurt your liver even if used as prescribed if you use them for a long time. And, he may have been dependent at the very least. But my point is that an illness and the drugs use (or abuse) could be related.

fortuneandserendipity said:

teach49 said:

morningsong said:

teach49 said:

It could be that his illness was liver failure because of pain meds, in which case she might not make a distinction.

That's not to say he was or was not addicted; these drugs can hurt your liver even if used as prescribed if you use them for a long time. And, he may have been dependent at the very least. But my point is that an illness and the drugs use (or abuse) could be related.

After I posted that I read some else's point that it doesn't have to be either/or but it could be an and/also, which is true but she seemed so definitive in what she said. I guess we have about 2 weeks left before we get a tidbit more info then maybe we could make a better assesment.

What's happening in two weeks? Or is it just that we get a little tidbit about once a month so we'll be due for another in a couple weeks time.

teach49 said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Why? Why let the "rock star drug addict" narrative override everything else?

--Maybe because the family does not feel it is anyone's business and at this point people are going to believe what they want anyway. You simply are not hearing any stories about Prince flipping out or being out of it. Too many people saying he seemed fine almost six months later. Not one person who knew him has described him as being an addict. He had to be taking those things for pain.

Agree.

Was watching a live show in Manchester, May 2014. He was amazing. All those 2014 concerts were the bomb. Prince rocked. He was very laid back. Dancing around in his platform sneakers made him more confortable and loose, his movements were almost new in that sense. And towards the end he was talking a lot about people in Manchester going to visit him in PP. Same in Amsterdam and basically all other concerts he gave in 2014. Talking about his fans looking after his house and going to visit him there, it was open to everyone.

So plans for PP being a museum were already being made by May 2014, it seems. Tyka said she was crushed and had two years to prepare for Prince's death. So ican see why some people might think he was ill.

Personally, I'm still on the fence on this one. To me he was either ill and taking pain meds to an extreme, to the point where the pain was too much and he began relying on illegal meds. Then came the fentanyl laced pill and he ODd. Hence the clothes backwards, he was in panic. Although i read somewhere that the talk about the clothes being backwards came later and was thrown in to kind of push the "drug addict" narrative. Anyway, I also think he might have been planning his retirement because of his pain issues. A doctor could have told him his liver was damaged and that he would need to have dialysis, for instance, and that we would have to stop taking painkillers for good. Downsizing his shows would be a way of not putting too much strain on him, allowing for less pain ansd him being able to control his addiction, or so he thought. PP being turned into a museum would allow for a revenue he would no longer be getting due to no longer performing. The Piano and a Microphone was a downsizing of sorts, to serve many purposes: help hide his addiction problems, continue the flow of revenue while not putting on big production, doing two shows at night cause basically he could and felt he had the stamina for it.

But we always come back to one thing: Moline. And that's what throws everybody off. What really happened there? Cause it sure does not seem like an actual OD, since he had no signs of a reaction from a Narcan shot after an OD. So what was it? And in what way does it really relate to his passing a few days later?
Like many have stated before, there are many answers to be found in the Moline incident.

1Sasha said:

With reference to the comment that the truth may be out there already: I once asked via FB the host of a TV entertainment gossip show if he ever withheld information on a celebrity to insure continued contact with that person. He said he did, because one time he ran with a story which ended up being untrue. So he would not say something after that if he wasn't sure it was true. I think a lot of people know what happened to Prince but they won't talk. The murky details might be known by a handful, but it is only a matter of time before it comes out. Who is distraught now? Those who are don't know the truth. Those who know are moving on.

Agree.

MMJas said:

Laura, I agree with you. You have strongly put forth the idea of damage due to ingesting certain types of medications, albeit illegal ones. The "if only" in this tragedy is what if he had collapsed in Georgia, what would have happened then. I am so surprised reporters haven't got anything out of people in Moline. It's been six months.

laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

Let say that he was struggling from a withdrawl from pain medications and he says look find me some alternative to this treatment and Dr. K is listed as an alternative pain therapy guru. That still doesn't explain the fake Vicodin that killed him. Then the second story released about the Fentanyl laced pills speading across the USA has to apply to the Prince death.

These stories are very interesting to me because the story says that multiple deadly pills were found in his bag that he took to Atlanta. If he were taking these pills daily he would have died before April 21. So what was he on between then?

Lots of holes in all of these stories.

/- I have been wondering about the bag of pills as well. The media kept saying he had percocets on him in moline and we are told there are a big bag of pills that are mislabeled and that he had these as well in Moline well how come he not die before the 21st. I have may doubts about the un named sources and still think we don't shit about was going in Moline.

That's because the percocet narrative came from one of the unnamed sources (IMO Padden) who is also leaking info to the press.

I agree 100% about the "stories".

sunset3121 said:

muleFunk said:

Folks who believe this was suicide......

He did not know this pill had a lethal amount of Fentanyl.

The dose of Fentanyl in his system was enough to have killed several large men and it was found in pills in his belongings as well.

How do you know what he knew muleFunk?

He had a strangely small number of these pills. It appears he might not have taken any of them prior to the 21st if it wasn't in his system.

So, was the fentanyl found in the same concentration in all the remaining pills or did it vary? - Was this a rogue pill or not?

How many pills did he take?

What had he been taking previously?

When did he get this batch of pills, who from and why?

Do we know anything about the fentanyl to help us figure out what circumstances were most likely?

The ME's conclusions can't be relied upon as accidental is the default position e.g.

Let's put it like this.....

Would Prince commit suicide in an elevator with his clothes on backward?

People kill themselves in places that they loved. I believe that he was not fond of elevators.

Another thing that I have to mention here pill ODs are found in resting positions.

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

Folks who believe this was suicide......

He did not know this pill had a lethal amount of Fentanyl. {assumption}

The dose of Fentanyl in his system was enough to have killed several large men{uncorroborated report} and it was found in pills in his belongings as well.{unproven but highly likely}

[Edited 10/16/16 13:30pm]

All of this is speculation.

Your points are duly noted.

1Sasha said:

1Sasha said:

With reference to the comment that the truth may be out there already: I once asked via FB the host of a TV entertainment gossip show if he ever withheld information on a celebrity to insure continued contact with that person. He said he did, because one time he ran with a story which ended up being untrue. So he would not say something after that if he wasn't sure it was true. I think a lot of people know what happened to Prince but they won't talk. The murky details might be known by a handful, but it is only a matter of time before it comes out. Who is distraught now? Those who are don't know the truth. Those who know are moving on.

I think their must be at least a few people who know.

Didnt some people shortly after it happened infer that they had some idea what it could be, I think Lenny Kravitz said he didnt know for sure but said he had an idea.

Its weird how we hardly hear anything from those that were actually around him in that last week, last few days and last day/night.

Do we even know or has it been reported who the last person was that physically saw him and when that was?

Has Will Smith been asked or said anything about their alleged phone conversation,

if not why not, why isnt the media even mentioning this.

Its very interesting this "investigation" is taking this long, 6 months along and we not hearing s---t,

but we know their is an investigation ongoing.

Why is it taking so long ? how complicated can it be?

Here is an example of contradiction in the media and why it is very hard to have faith in their reporting.

"An official connected to the case reported that while Prince was being prescribed painkillers for chronic back pain, he had no prescriptions for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the year before his death."

http://ijr.com/2016/08/677624-disturbing-details-about-princes-death-reveal-he-took-pills-50-times-more-powerful-than-heroin/

*** Please note that he was being prescribed..... but had no prescriptions**** Which is it??

[Edited 10/17/16 7:34am]

[Edited 10/17/16 7:35am]

oscarchristio777 said:

1Sasha said:

With reference to the comment that the truth may be out there already: I once asked via FB the host of a TV entertainment gossip show if he ever withheld information on a celebrity to insure continued contact with that person. He said he did, because one time he ran with a story which ended up being untrue. So he would not say something after that if he wasn't sure it was true. I think a lot of people know what happened to Prince but they won't talk. The murky details might be known by a handful, but it is only a matter of time before it comes out. Who is distraught now? Those who are don't know the truth. Those who know are moving on.

I think their must be at least a few people who know.

Didnt some people shortly after it happened infer that they had some idea what it could be, I think Lenny Kravitz said he didnt know for sure but said he had an idea.

Its weird how we hardly hear anything from those that were actually around him in that last week, last few days and last day/night.

Do we even know or has it been reported who the last person was that physically saw him and when that was?

Has Will Smith been asked or said anything about their alleged phone conversation,

if not why not, why isnt the media even mentioning this.

Its very interesting this "investigation" is taking this long, 6 months along and we not hearing s---t,

but we know their is an investigation ongoing.

Why is it taking so long ? how complicated can it be?

Why is it taking so long ? how complicated can it be?

Great question. They either know were he got this stuff from and arrest someone or they don't know and rule it accidental overdose and close the case.

Ridculous how long this is taking.