FORTUNEANDSERENDIPITY: Sorry, I posted my 2 links on Narcan on your post. I though I was

posting it on a different one. But what vehicle are you speaking of? Was there a strange vehicle seen

at PP?? I haven't heard that.

StopIt said:

You know it.

For those of you others out there with your heads screwed on straight too, join us, we see you.

1Sasha said:

StopIt said:

Far more should have been done professionally on his behalf for four decades.

We all have uncooperative, unstructured, and petulent clients, (famous and not famous), its simply part of the job and not an extraordinary circumstance.

What some have touted as impressive investments and outcomes is grossly laughable compared to what should have been left in the end.

Its as though some fans are delighted there was anything left at all, because the standard around him was so damn low. Count me out of joining you in that delusion please.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said: -- Drills down and has no clue.

StopIt: you are spot on. $300 million for this man is appalling. He should have been close to $750 million to a billion by April. His real estate holdings are not impressive for someone who earned so much money, but could have earned a great deal more. IMO he basically lost the years after the dispute with WB in the early 90s ... He made some money but not what he should have, and he did not allow a proper management/financial team to surround him and PROTECT him.

I really hate the way this board juggles people's responses around and makes it appear you said something you never said Mumio did NOT make that comment above, laurarichardson said it.

zenarose said:

FORTUNEANDSERENDIPITY: Sorry, I posted my 2 links on Narcan on your post. I though I was

posting it on a different one. But what vehicle are you speaking of? Was there a strange vehicle seen

at PP?? I haven't heard that.

Nope. The washington sniper was an analogy, just that. To clarify, it was a reference to the beltway sniper attacks, in which observer accounts sometimes gave false impression, even though some of them seemed to marry up.

zenarose said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said:

http://www.narcan.com/

Thanks Zenarose for the informative article again. Also the article RE: concerts in Australia in February 2016. that dismisses the people saying he was ill etc. http://www.dailytelegraph...f85ce31043

"Hede saw no visible hip ailment in Perth. “Prince was jumping around onstage and literally dancing on the piano,” he says."

Walpole hadn’t noticed any difference in Prince’s behaviour during their time together in Australia two months prior. “He was the same Prince I’d always known. I was in total shock,” she says. “He still had so much energy.”

that dismisses the people saying he was ill etc.

Why should they be dismissed? I have known a person die from cancer who was working full time, at full pace the week before their death and another who appeared in perfect health a couple of months before her death. When symptoms arose (struggling to hold down any food), despite her medical background and private medical investigations they could not find the cause of her symptoms until it was too late. Maybe it already was by then.

cloveringold85 said:

TopazGirl said:

I agree. I just can't get down with that website above. I don't mean this offensively, but do some of you really believe stuff like this? Or rather, would you really believe this over reputable news sources using info from authorities as their sources? Just honest questions. Maybe the Kornfelds are strange, but they were thrown into a bizarre and last minute situation making them seem even more shady. That Kornfeld kid even did an interview on how if they had come even sooner, the outcome would have been far different.

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TopazGirl: I certainly did not mean to "offend" anyone by sharing that link/information. If I did, I sincerely apologize. That article did come from a "credible" source (journalist) who did extensive research and was not just talking out his (you know what). I thought his findings on "Fentanyl" were quite impressive and I have certainly learned a lot by doing research on my own (not from tabloids), as well.

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Dr. K is not a good doctor. Just read his reviews. His Son had no business being at PP.

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cloveringold85, I didn't say I was offended, I said that I didn't mean to sound offensive when I asked if people actually believed stuff like what was on that website. Nah, that wouldn't offend me in the least. I just didn't think the website was believable is all. I can understand if it had some good research on Fentanyl, but the rest didn't jive with me.

I have heard the negative responses on Dr. K, and whether or not he is a bad doctor I cannot say. However, I was defending him and his son that they were only there to help because someone asked them to help. I think the problem is that they were trying to keep what was going on with Prince quiet, and everyone was kind of sneaking around to help him, which makes Dr. K and his son seem even more shady when coming under scrutiny now.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

I gave that explanation because frankly there are too many things we don't know and I want to keep an open mind.

I was one of the first persons to say it was strange she used that word "crushed" and that it could mean she knew he was ill/dying. (Thanks for the dig, Laura, I just don't have one track mind, I like to explore all possibilities.) However, I realized that it could also mean she was crushed because his career as a performer was over because of his painkiller addiction and pain issues. If i was the sister of a well known musician and entertainer that absolutely loved music and playing live and had nothing else in his life beside that (meaning no kids, wife, whatever), and he told me the pain was getting to be too much, that his addiction to painkillers was getting out of hand and that he would have to retire from doing what he loved best, I'd be crushed. For him, especially. Or for myself of I also had a piece of the pie. And although he kept playing, he begun doing the piano and a microphone and making all sorts of plans while battling his deamons (addiction). If I had witnessed that addiction taking over him for the last two years I too would probably not be surprised when that phone call came.
Of course, I can also make a strong case for the possibility of Prince being ill. I've defended it before. That's just the thing: we don't know.

-- I was not taking a dig at you. I don't think she would grieve if his carreer was ending and the whole discussion in the interview was how do fans get over the grief. She was saying she had a two year head start on griveing. I wish everyone would stop pretending these pain pills don't ruin your health. This article is a little melodramatic but accurate. http://www.healthcentral....sequences/ [Edited 10/14/16 20:23pm]

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I believe what Prince meant was that he was wrapping-up his career, and moving onto other things. I don't think he was referring to his days being numbered. All you have to do is look at everything he was planning to do, and that does not give me the impression that he was getting ready to leave us.

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Tyka did not say anything concrete, in my opinion. Her comments were very open-ended comments.

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Did anyone notice how Tyka wasn't asked questions about Prince's death? It's like they totally ignored the obvious. All they wanted to do was talk about the PP museum.

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TopazGirl said:

cloveringold85 said:

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TopazGirl: I certainly did not mean to "offend" anyone by sharing that link/information. If I did, I sincerely apologize. That article did come from a "credible" source (journalist) who did extensive research and was not just talking out his (you know what). I thought his findings on "Fentanyl" were quite impressive and I have certainly learned a lot by doing research on my own (not from tabloids), as well.

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Dr. K is not a good doctor. Just read his reviews. His Son had no business being at PP.

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cloveringold85, I didn't say I was offended, I said that I didn't mean to sound offensive when I asked if people actually believed stuff like what was on that website. Nah, that wouldn't offend me in the least. I just didn't think the website was believable is all. I can understand if it had some good research on Fentanyl, but the rest didn't jive with me.

I have heard the negative responses on Dr. K, and whether or not he is a bad doctor I cannot say. However, I was defending him and his son that they were only there to help because someone asked them to help. I think the problem is that they were trying to keep what was going on with Prince quiet, and everyone was kind of sneaking around to help him, which makes Dr. K and his son seem even more shady when coming under scrutiny now.

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TopazGirl: I'm so sorry. I obviously misread what you previously wrote. My bad.

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cloveringold85 said:

TopazGirl said:

cloveringold85, I didn't say I was offended, I said that I didn't mean to sound offensive when I asked if people actually believed stuff like what was on that website. Nah, that wouldn't offend me in the least. I just didn't think the website was believable is all. I can understand if it had some good research on Fentanyl, but the rest didn't jive with me.

I have heard the negative responses on Dr. K, and whether or not he is a bad doctor I cannot say. However, I was defending him and his son that they were only there to help because someone asked them to help. I think the problem is that they were trying to keep what was going on with Prince quiet, and everyone was kind of sneaking around to help him, which makes Dr. K and his son seem even more shady when coming under scrutiny now.

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TopazGirl: I'm so sorry. I obviously misread what you previously wrote. My bad.

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No worries at all. I just didn't want you apoligizing for something that didn't offend. I was actually the one worried about offending someone with what what I said lol.

TopazGirl said:

cloveringold85 said:

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TopazGirl: I'm so sorry. I obviously misread what you previously wrote. My bad.

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No worries at all. I just didn't want you apoligizing for something that didn't offend. I was actually the one worried about offending someone with what what I said lol.

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No problem. I did not find your comments offensive at all.

cloveringold85 said:

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I believe what Prince meant was that he was wrapping-up his career, and moving onto other things. I don't think he was referring to his days being numbered. All you have to do is look at everything he was planning to do, and that does not give me the impression that he was getting ready to leave us.

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Tyka did not say anything concrete, in my opinion. Her comments were very open-ended comments.

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Did anyone notice how Tyka wasn't asked questions about Prince's death? It's like they totally ignored the obvious. All they wanted to do was talk about the PP museum.

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Hmmm...Not convinced, Clover...I just don't see why someone (ie Tyka) would be 'grieving' for two years, and 'waiting for the call' if Prince had made it plain that all he was preparing was for a retirement / slowing things down, etc etc...

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In fact, his actions and plans suggest that he was in no way going to retire / slow down - oh no; he was going to go out with a bang, lol - a sudden flurry of frenetic activity (again, not unusual in a person - or animal - who senses that the 'end is nigh').

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Now that's not to say he had a terminal - or critical - illness. As many have indicated, we just don't know - but I don't see his having plans (which, ultimately, didn't come to fruition) as being evidence AGAINST him having 'something' going on with his health.

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Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I believe what Prince meant was that he was wrapping-up his career, and moving onto other things. I don't think he was referring to his days being numbered. All you have to do is look at everything he was planning to do, and that does not give me the impression that he was getting ready to leave us.

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Tyka did not say anything concrete, in my opinion. Her comments were very open-ended comments.

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Did anyone notice how Tyka wasn't asked questions about Prince's death? It's like they totally ignored the obvious. All they wanted to do was talk about the PP museum.

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Hmmm...Not convinced, Clover...I just don't see why someone (ie Tyka) would be 'grieving' for two years, and 'waiting for the call' if Prince had made it plain that all he was preparing was for a retirement / slowing things down, etc etc...

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In fact, his actions and plans suggest that he was in no way going to retire / slow down - oh no; he was going to go out with a bang, lol - a sudden flurry of frenetic activity (again, not unusual in a person - or animal - who senses that the 'end is nigh').

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Now that's not to say he had a terminal - or critical - illness. As many have indicated, we just don't know - but I don't see his having plans (which, ultimately, didn't come to fruition) as being evidence AGAINST him having 'something' going on with his health.

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Fair enough. Although, I do not take what Tyka says as gospel.

zenarose said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

NotACleverName said:

zenarose said:

I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case???

That information (in bold above) was, no doubt, simply a ruse to immediately satiate the media's "who, what, when, where, why and how" questions (akin to the "flu" story - Moline plane incident). Might have been provided by the Publicist? We can speculate. Too little, too late, imo, with regard to protecting Prince. The attorney representing AK held a press conference (I suspect because details were beginning to leak). He divulged the facts about the appointment that was to take place that morning (ST article - http://www.startribune.co...381663221/ ) which included the following: "......Andrew Kornfeld was to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor who is certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Howard Kornfeld uses." The doc that was licensed to dispense the Suboxone AK carried across state lines. We all know, sadly, that appointment never happened.

Thanks I have read all the ST reports and the Attorney Mauzy statement that was issued to the media.

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

NotACleverName said:

That information (in bold above) was, no doubt, simply a ruse to immediately satiate the media's "who, what, when, where, why and how" questions (akin to the "flu" story - Moline plane incident). Might have been provided by the Publicist? We can speculate. Too little, too late, imo, with regard to protecting Prince. The attorney representing AK held a press conference (I suspect because details were beginning to leak). He divulged the facts about the appointment that was to take place that morning (ST article - http://www.startribune.co...381663221/ ) which included the following: "......Andrew Kornfeld was to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor who is certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Howard Kornfeld uses." The doc that was licensed to dispense the Suboxone AK carried across state lines. We all know, sadly, that appointment never happened.

Here is where things get shady... We have no idea what AK actually brought to PP or when he really first arrived. Also the only other Dr that showed up was Dr S and he was not authorized to administer suboxone or to deal with opioid addiction. Was there another Dr there we were not told of? And there are treatment facilities for addiction in Minnesota vs a drs son traveling in from Cali to give a local dr some meds for a gravely ill P that everyone around him said he was not gravely ill... IMO that Cali Dr and son story is questionable. I can't get it to make sense

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Yup - so gravely ill that the person (who was NOT a doctor) flies in on a 'red eye' flight, with illegally held drugs - and then goes to the hotel for a kip rather than straight to PP...

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I smell BS...
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Dibblekins said:

PennyPurple said:

I hope this helps with the questions on the Kornfelds. I really feel they were trying to help:

"Kornfeld could not clear his schedule to immediately travel to Minnesota, so he dispatched his son, Andrew, a pre-med student who worked with his father. Andrew Kornfeld was to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor who is certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Howard Kornfeld uses.

That Minnesota doctor, who hasn't been publicly identified, had cleared his calendar for the morning of April 21 so that Prince could go to his office for an independent evaluation, the source said."

Reference: http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/


"The medication buprenorphine, which is commonly used to treat opioid addiction, helps people struggling from painkiller withdrawal — and could have been the key to saving Prince, Kornfeld said. He was carrying a starter dose when he arrived at Paisley Park that morning, but it was never given to Prince."

Reference: http://www.startribune.co...381872171/


"Kornfeld notes, however, that buprenorphine can be a difficult medication to acquire in many parts of the U.S..

"Unfortunately, the timely care Prince may have needed, based on the medical examiner's report, has been difficult to obtain in Minnesota, and in many states in our nation," he wrote.

"According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, there are 120 buprenorphine prescribers in [Minnesota], roughly 2.2 physicians certified to prescribe the drug, per 100,000 persons — not nearly enough."

Reference: http://www.startribune.co...381832331/

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Dibblekins said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

NotACleverName said:

That information (in bold above) was, no doubt, simply a ruse to immediately satiate the media's "who, what, when, where, why and how" questions (akin to the "flu" story - Moline plane incident). Might have been provided by the Publicist? We can speculate. Too little, too late, imo, with regard to protecting Prince. The attorney representing AK held a press conference (I suspect because details were beginning to leak). He divulged the facts about the appointment that was to take place that morning (ST article - http://www.startribune.co...381663221/ ) which included the following: ".....Andrew Kornfeld was to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor who is certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Howard Kornfeld uses." The doc that was licensed to dispense the Suboxone AK carried across state lines. We all know, sadly, that appointment never happened.

Here is where things get shady... We have no idea what AK actually brought to PP or when he really first arrived. Also the only other Dr that showed up was Dr S and he was not authorized to administer suboxone or to deal with opioid addiction. Was there another Dr there we were not told of? And there are treatment facilities for addiction in Minnesota vs a drs son traveling in from Cali to give a local dr some meds for a gravely ill P that everyone around him said he was not gravely ill... IMO that Cali Dr and son story is questionable. I can't get it to make sense

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Yup - so gravely ill that the person (who was NOT a doctor) flies in on a 'red eye' flight, with illegally held drugs - and then goes to the hotel for a kip rather than straight to PP...

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I smell BS...
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I hear ya....must have the same nose.

Let say that he was struggling from a withdrawl from pain medications and he says look find me some alternative to this treatment and Dr. K is listed as an alternative pain therapy guru. That still doesn't explain the fake Vicodin that killed him. Then the second story released about the Fentanyl laced pills speading across the USA has to apply to the Prince death.

These stories are very interesting to me because the story says that multiple deadly pills were found in his bag that he took to Atlanta. If he were taking these pills daily he would have died before April 21. So what was he on between then?

Lots of holes in all of these stories.

As the days passs, nothing adds up. More holes are unearthed in all of the stories being told. Prince deserves the truth being told. Period.

TopazGirl said:

I hope this helps with the questions on the Kornfelds. I really feel they were trying to help:

"Kornfeld could not clear his schedule to immediately travel to Minnesota, so he dispatched his son, Andrew, a pre-med student who worked with his father. Andrew Kornfeld was to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor who is certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Howard Kornfeld uses.

That Minnesota doctor, who hasn't been publicly identified, had cleared his calendar for the morning of April 21 so that Prince could go to his office for an independent evaluation, the source said."

Reference: http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/


"The medication buprenorphine, which is commonly used to treat opioid addiction, helps people struggling from painkiller withdrawal — and could have been the key to saving Prince, Kornfeld said. He was carrying a starter dose when he arrived at Paisley Park that morning, but it was never given to Prince."

Reference: http://www.startribune.co...381872171/


"Kornfeld notes, however, that buprenorphine can be a difficult medication to acquire in many parts of the U.S..

"Unfortunately, the timely care Prince may have needed, based on the medical examiner's report, has been difficult to obtain in Minnesota, and in many states in our nation," he wrote.

"According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, there are 120 buprenorphine prescribers in [Minnesota], roughly 2.2 physicians certified to prescribe the drug, per 100,000 persons — not nearly enough."

Reference: http://www.startribune.co...381832331/

One of the best treatment facilities in the country is a few miles from PP. I tend to think, IF he was having addiction issues, he would have chose to stay in his home.

I do believe Prince was medicating himself, perhaps even with black market pills.

What I don't believe is that he was an addict, in the traditional sense the media portrays.

My gut feeling is that he had cancer or another grave illness. I for one believe his sister when she says she had two years to prepare for his death. I could tell several accounts I have witnessed first hand of my family members who died of terminal illness and P fits them all. EVEN doing a concert and trying to appear fine is well within what I have witnessed.

I think he was not going to waste away, which is essentially what happens and then your organs shut down. I do believe he had more plans in the works. They gave my Grandma a year, she died in 6 weeks.

I think the "pill" story was to cover his illness. I think some in his camp who did not know the truth assumed he was addicted. I think he meant to leave this earth on that plane. Only, he was intercepted by JH.

Tresha68 said:

Folks who believe this was suicide......

He did not know this pill had a lethal amount of Fentanyl.

The dose of Fentanyl in his system was enough to have killed several large men and it was found in pills in his belongings as well.

muleFunk said:

Folks who believe this was suicide......

He did not know this pill had a lethal amount of Fentanyl.

The dose of Fentanyl in his system was enough to have killed several large men and it was found in pills in his belongings as well.

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I agree. I absolutely do not think it was suicide. He was not aware of what he was taking. It was a tragic accident. Thing is, we don't know if Prince got those pills himself, or "someone" else did. Now, will we ever get to the bottom of this? Who, what, where, when & how?

muleFunk said:

Folks who believe this was suicide......

He did not know this pill had a lethal amount of Fentanyl.

The dose of Fentanyl in his system was enough to have killed several large men and it was found in pills in his belongings as well.

This doesn't tell us how many pills he took. It could have been a deliberate overdose. Nothing released by the ME categorically rules that out. Far more likely to have been suicide than homicide if that's what you're thinking.

Tresha68 said:

One of the best treatment facilities in the country is a few miles from PP. I tend to think, IF he was having addiction issues, he would have chose to stay in his home.

I do believe Prince was medicating himself, perhaps even with black market pills.

What I don't believe is that he was an addict, in the traditional sense the media portrays.

My gut feeling is that he had cancer or another grave illness. I for one believe his sister when she says she had two years to prepare for his death. I could tell several accounts I have witnessed first hand of my family members who died of terminal illness and P fits them all. EVEN doing a concert and trying to appear fine is well within what I have witnessed.

I think he was not going to waste away, which is essentially what happens and then your organs shut down. I do believe he had more plans in the works. They gave my Grandma a year, she died in 6 weeks.

I think the "pill" story was to cover his illness. I think some in his camp who did not know the truth assumed he was addicted. I think he meant to leave this earth on that plane. Only, he was intercepted by JH.

I believe if he had been suffering from a terminal illness, news of that would have dropped by now.