lorenzolee said:

nelcp777 said:

Everyone understands that Dixon does not have evidence or a valid claim. I would not be surprised if lorenzolee is Dixon. Same arguement here as in the courts.

Dixon has been removed and that is good. Hopefully the next big hurdle of Duane and his offspring will be resolved, though I have a feeling either way, it will be appealed. But it will be nice to resolve this quickly, but correctly, to limit the strain on the estate finances.

Did I hear Lorenzolee is Dixon? Wow, I've heard it all now, I'm not Dixon , maybe ur Dixon ? I'm just a paralegal who understands the law, and What's proper justice ... what I hear you alleging is emotional Not exactly Legal. Truth is truth, I was opposed to Dixon's arguments like Everyone else , until I saw his evidence filed. If it's not forged, then it seems he has a valid Contract. My opinion ... sorry

On the Internet, everyone knows you're a dog.

EnDoRpHn said:

The Judge has denied the claims of heirship of Brianna, V, and Corey!

[Edited 10/26/16 15:51pm]

The Judge also struck from the calendar date of November 30 for the evidentiary hearing to present evidence of the parent-child relationship between John L and Duane.

This means the Judge didnt find even a prima facie evidence that would support a claim of equitable adoption.

The Judge gave Corey until November 25 to present evidence of a prima facie evidence of equitable adoption.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Judge also struck from the calendar date of November 30 for the evidentiary hearing to present evidence of the parent-child relationship between John L and Duane.

This means the Judge didnt find even a prima facie evidence that would support a claim of equitable adoption.

The Judge gave Corey until November 25 to present evidence of a prima facie evidence of equitable adoption.

I bet he will be out as well.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Judge also struck from the calendar date of November 30 for the evidentiary hearing to present evidence of the parent-child relationship between John L and Duane.

This means the Judge didnt find even a prima facie evidence that would support a claim of equitable adoption.

The Judge gave Corey until November 25 to present evidence of a prima facie evidence of equitable adoption.

Sooooo, uh, is this for future reference? If the heirship is being denied I don't get the point of this.

Read it through again, the Judge first found a non adjudicated parent-child relationship is not enough to establish paternity in an intestate matter. So he is saying that John L was not found to be the father of Duane prior to John L's passing, and he was never adjudicated to be the father of Duane.

A parent child relationship can only be established through genetics, adoption, assisted reproduction, or the Parentage Act.

The girls didnt submit evidence of the above and therefore their claims were denied.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Read it through again, the Judge first found a non adjudicated parent-child relationship is not enough to establish paternity in an intestate matter. So he is saying that John L was not found to be the father of Duane prior to John L's passing, and he was never adjudicated to be the father of Duane.

A parent child relationship can only be established through genetics, adoption, assisted reproduction, or the Parentage Act.

The girls didnt submit evidence of the above and therefore their claims were denied.

Thank you ISLIJAG! Couldn't see how they could do anything else considering the shit storm that would occur if this claim was allowed. Now to see if Corey is excluded too...

In an order filed Wednesday, District Judge Kevin Eide excluded a woman and girl claiming to be heirs because they were descendants of a man whom Prince treated as a brother, but who apparently had no genetic connection to the musician.

Brianna Nelson and Victoria Nelson, the descendants of the late Duane Nelson Sr., have no legal claim against the estate, Eide ruled. Attorneys for the two had argued that they should be treated as family for heirship purposes because Prince’s father, John L. Nelson, had treated Duane Nelson as a son and Prince had referred to him as a brother.

http://m.startribune.com/carver-county-judge-trims-2-from-prince-s-estate-claims/398770391/

Yes B & V are OUT!

Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Read it through again, the Judge first found a non adjudicated parent-child relationship is not enough to establish paternity in an intestate matter. So he is saying that John L was not found to be the father of Duane prior to John L's passing, and he was never adjudicated to be the father of Duane.

A parent child relationship can only be established through genetics, adoption, assisted reproduction, or the Parentage Act.

The girls didnt submit evidence of the above and therefore their claims were denied.

Thank you ISLIJAG! Couldn't see how they could do anything else considering the shit storm that would occur if this claim was allowed. Now to see if Corey is excluded too...

The Order is somewhat confusing because the "title" of the Order is ORDER AND JUDGMENT DENYING HEIRSHIP CLAIMS OF BRIANNA NELSON, VN, AND COREY SIMMONS but then gives Corey a month to present evidence of an equitable adoption. The Judge has excluded Brianna and VN as a matter of law but has not excluded Corey yet as a matter of law although he denied his claim of heirship.

Vee0319 said:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is also reporting on Judge Eide's decision to exclude Brianna and Victoria Nelson's claims to heirship.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Order is somewhat confusing because the "title" of the Order is ORDER AND JUDGMENT DENYING HEIRSHIP CLAIMS OF BRIANNA NELSON, VN, AND COREY SIMMONS but then gives Corey a month to present evidence of an equitable adoption. The Judge has excluded Brianna and VN as a matter of law but has not excluded Corey yet as a matter of law although he denied his claim of heirship.

THIS has me confused. Is this for some future reference? As in, since it's already in front of the judge might as well clean this up too?

Yes, it is confusing.

Bottom line...the girls are out totally. They are done. Put a fork in it.

Corey is out on his heirship claim...no genetic or paternity relationship to P through John L.

The Judge is allowing Corey to submit evidence (like he did the girls) that there is clear and convincing evidence that John L. attempted to adopt Duane via equitable adoption.

Also, the Judge has never ruled on any individuals that took a DNA test.

This will be the next order of business for the Judge.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Also, the Judge has never ruled on any individuals that took a DNA test.

This will be the next order of business for the Judge.

Perhaps after Duane's business being resolved, now the DNA will be next? I think Simmons will be out as well, if there supporting documents are not provided.

I would not be surprised if Duane's offspring appeal. Does the estate have to wait for all appeals to be processed and judged before continuing?

Bremer has been extended thru January 2nd I believe. To have heirs determined before then may reduce a lot of legal expenses, since Bremer has done a majority of the work.

Still waiting on the inventory of the assets, mainly the Vautl. Not really interested in Prince's personal finances.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Judge has denied the claims of heirship of Brianna, V, and Corey!

[Edited 10/26/16 15:51pm]

.

See http://www.mncourts.gov/m...immons.pdf

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes, it is confusing.

Bottom line...the girls are out totally. They are done. Put a fork in it.

Corey is out on his heirship claim...no genetic or paternity relationship to P through John L.

The Judge is allowing Corey to submit evidence (like he did the girls) that there is clear and convincing evidence that John L. attempted to adopt Duane via equitable adoption.

He's just allowing Corey time to bring more evidence that the girls didn't bring. Oh. Can't see how he'd have something more substantial than they did but who knows.

By the Judge allowing Corey to submit more evidence, would this also help the appeals process? My point, if there is no evidence of the equity adoption, then any appeal by Duane's offspring would be harder to argue. More or less, lack of evidence solidifies the Judges ruling.

It was an interesting read. The Judge even said John L's estate proceedings did not weigh on his decision. Sounds like Brianna's lawyers got stumped with the hypothetical situation the Judge asked them.

I wonder how much longer on the DNA results.

One last question for the purple legal people here, if claims are dismissed, Dixon, Brianna, Claire Nelson, etc, why do they continue to receive the notices of items filed from the court?

lorenzolee said:

nelcp777 said:

I was trying to lighten the mood. I do not have any legal knowledge. We are all entitled to our opinions. There is no need to apologize for yours. We disagree on the subject, nothing wrong with that.

Awww no offence taken...we all are just participating on the Org. All the opinions are interesting , I'm assuming it doesn't matter at the end of the day what any of our opinions are. As far as the dixon is concerned..I like to give credit, where it's due, And not just pile on with everyone else.. he seems like a brilliant guy , Who's fighting for what he believes, wrong or right, We should respect the fact that although he's not an attorney He's lasted in this fight since April, and I wouldn't be Surprised if he continues to fight.. so I wouldn't be Celebrating his claim dismissal Pre maturely . But then again, let's enjoy the moment . Lol

In essence, is law the basis of forming an opinion, then arguing one's point. The best arguement wins? If Dixon wants to continue his claims, more power to him. He will have to face any and legal repreccusions.

I am not Dixon. I will admit, I have no claim to the Estate. I have never met Prince, though I was priviliged to see him perform a few times. I read the filings like everyone else and try to interpret or understand the legalese. I am not an expert.

I am free to state my opinion, like everyone else. I enjoy everyone's inputs and comments. I truly do not believe Dixon has a legitimate claim. Time will tell.

As for the $1. I am not sure what to take from that. I would not say that Dixon has lasted in this fight. Numerous rulings in the Estate have been against him. Just because an individual keeps filing does not necessary mean that they are winning. Again, opinion.

nelcp777 said:

There were at least 3 that were allowed DNA testing, maybe more.

None of the siblings had to do DNA testing after the girls admitted they were not genetic heirs.

[Edited 10/27/16 10:51am]

I guess those that had claims in for services not paid for and venues not allowed are still out there too. If this all wraps up by the end of the year, is that a good thing?

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

I guess those that had claims in for services not paid for and venues not allowed are still out there too. If this all wraps up by the end of the year, is that a good thing?

Determining the heirs is just the tip of this. The heirs will have to close the estate, pay the taxes. More legalities will follow. The music in itself will take some time. The lawyers for the final heirs will have to go thru all the contracts and LLC to determine ownership, outstanding obligation to WB (if any), copyright control, etc. I would imagine the Vault, intellectual property, will be a long drawn out battle.

Maybe once the heirs are finally decided, we will see WB stance on the Vault, remasters, and so forth.

I was initially shocked when there was no will. But after this little bit of time since Prince's passing, part of me can understand why. If a will did exist, it could (and possibly would have been) challenged. In essence the same scene now. I am speculating and venting at the same time.

I have always been intrigued with the Vault in both contents and legalities. As long as Prince's wishes are being honored, that is the most important. I am sure Prince has mentioned things to his inner circle of how he would want things handled. Last wishes are important.

nelcp777 said:

morningsong said:

I guess those that had claims in for services not paid for and venues not allowed are still out there too. If this all wraps up by the end of the year, is that a good thing?

Determining the heirs is just the tip of this. The heirs will have to close the estate, pay the taxes. More legalities will follow. The music in itself will take some time. The lawyers for the final heirs will have to go thru all the contracts and LLC to determine ownership, outstanding obligation to WB (if any), copyright control, etc. I would imagine the Vault, intellectual property, will be a long drawn out battle.

Maybe once the heirs are finally decided, we will see WB stance on the Vault, remasters, and so forth.

I was initially shocked when there was no will. But after this little bit of time since Prince's passing, part of me can understand why. If a will did exist, it could (and possibly would have been) challenged. In essence the same scene now. I am speculating and venting at the same time.

I have always been intrigued with the Vault in both contents and legalities. As long as Prince's wishes are being honored, that is the most important. I am sure Prince has mentioned things to his inner circle of how he would want things handled. Last wishes are important.

Music is not going to take as long as you think. The court or the LLC is moving forward with putting out music and the court has not shown any issue with the estate moving forward with money making ventures. The music will be the main money maker so I am sure they are going to move forward with getting it out quickly. The problem will be cataloguing it and deciding what to put out, what is the best format, and pricing.

We have had two rumors about sales already but I believe those are actually licening deals for streaming. So talks concerning the music have already started.

[Edited 10/27/16 12:19pm]

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

Determining the heirs is just the tip of this. The heirs will have to close the estate, pay the taxes. More legalities will follow. The music in itself will take some time. The lawyers for the final heirs will have to go thru all the contracts and LLC to determine ownership, outstanding obligation to WB (if any), copyright control, etc. I would imagine the Vault, intellectual property, will be a long drawn out battle.

Maybe once the heirs are finally decided, we will see WB stance on the Vault, remasters, and so forth.

I was initially shocked when there was no will. But after this little bit of time since Prince's passing, part of me can understand why. If a will did exist, it could (and possibly would have been) challenged. In essence the same scene now. I am speculating and venting at the same time.

I have always been intrigued with the Vault in both contents and legalities. As long as Prince's wishes are being honored, that is the most important. I am sure Prince has mentioned things to his inner circle of how he would want things handled. Last wishes are important.

Music is not going to take as long as you think. The court or the LLC is moving forward with putting out music and the court has not shown any issue with the estate moving forward with money making ventures. The music will be the main money maker so I am sure they are going to move forward with getting it out quickly. The problem will be cataloguing it and deciding what to put out, what is the best format, and pricing.

We have had two rumors about sales already but I believe those are actually licening deals for streaming. So talks concerning the music have already started.

[Edited 10/27/16 12:19pm]

Very good points that I did not notice.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There were at least 3 that were allowed DNA testing, maybe more.

None of the siblings had to do DNA testing after the girls admitted they were not genetic heirs.

[Edited 10/27/16 10:51am]

-/ Did they list the who these people are? Are any of them the Greshams or Alfred's sister.

The Judge denied the claims of the Greshams and Alfred's sister, and denied DNA testing for them.

I know some of the names of the individuals who were allowed DNA testing but I will not post the names. Their files have been sealed.