BartVanHemelen said:

TheEnglishGent said:

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I presume this:

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I could have waited a few more years for these to reach us.

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was in reference to official releases.

I think he was saying he'd rather Prince had lived a few more years.

BartVanHemelen said:

TheEnglishGent said:

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I presume this:

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I could have waited a few more years for these to reach us.

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was in reference to official releases.

Ah, I see. Definitely won't be holding my breath for official releases.

djThunderfunk said:

Revolution81 said:

Theres also Halluciantion Rain soundcheck and Roseland 94 soundboard. Both in top notch sound quality, dont think these were circulating before?

Loving this Hallucination Rain!! Can't wait to find Roseland. Thanks for the heads up Romeoblu!!

Agreed djThunderfunk! Hallucination Rain is otherworldy, ethereal (or etherial if anyone is using that brand!).

wishuhvn said:

peedub said:

jesus...mods locking other mods' threads...wtf with this place...

anyway. a real 'rebirth of the flesh' vibe in '9 to 5 people'...might help lock down recording date?

thanks to all the plumbers!!!

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Yea, I feel U peedub, I was thinking the same thing about the mods locking out other mods. 9-5 didn't fit in with this thread but it's there's to decide...Totally feeling "Rebirth of the flesh" sessions in this song. I could have seen this making an appearance during the Third Eye Shows.

I'm hearing a bit of a Hendrix riff in 9 to 5 people. (LOVE IT) Can't remember the name of the track....only that big bro played the lines off the vinyl back in the day.

BartVanHemelen said:

paulludvig said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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We've had leaks for decades. How much of what was leaked was ever released officially? I rest my case.

We had songs on boots that were later released on Crystal Ball, didn't we?

Yeah, but in fairness, what's the ratio of that to stuff that still came out before and after unofficially that Prince never cleaned up with an official release? CB2 could have been a gold mine. Hell, the first CB could have been, but the disks weren't even filled with music, and some were just remixes. Take out the remixes, and compile all the actual original unreleased tracks. Check the time on that. It's short.

It's such a missed opportunity. Nothing much from before 1987 or so, which was a major faux pas, IMO. Why not "Moonbeam Levels", "All my Dreams", "Old Friends 4 Sale", "Others Here With us", "Wednesday", "A Case Of U", "Electric Intercourse", "Wet Dream Cousin", etc etc etc? instead of that stupid Kamasutra thing as a bonus disk, why not The Undertaker, or Camille?

I'm glad for what was on it, but it was paltry in comparison.

paisleypark4 said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Roadhouse Garden is a grower.

I think its a demo of a more finished version. Compared to the live Bday show its missing Wendy and Lisa's vocals in there. I'm sure there is a more finished version of that. Anybody wanna ride the train?

I bet for it too. I hope there's a version with a bass in it !

highcalonic said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Bebop17 said:

It's official. They've dropped.

Peachy - rehearsal for the 1994-11-24 MTV Europe Music Awards.

1994-7-14 soundboard - Palladium NYC.

1994-12-12 soundboard - Roseland Ballroom NYC

"New York - Welcome 2 the dawn!"

DYING.

Well, I just spent too long looking for the bolded one.

Oh CRAP, I'm really sorry. It's what he says at the beginning of Palladium. I put it in quotes but I can see how it looks confusing. My bad.

TheEnglishGent said:

FragileUndertow said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Well, I just spent too long looking for the bolded one.

Yeah same here

TrivialPursuit said:

paulludvig said:

BartVanHemelen said: We had songs on boots that were later released on Crystal Ball, didn't we?

Yeah, but in fairness, what's the ratio of that to stuff that still came out before and after unofficially that Prince never cleaned up with an official release? CB2 could have been a gold mine. Hell, the first CB could have been, but the disks weren't even filled with music, and some were just remixes. Take out the remixes, and compile all the actual original unreleased tracks. Check the time on that. It's short.

It's such a missed opportunity. Nothing much from before 1987 or so, which was a major faux pas, IMO. Why not "Moonbeam Levels", "All my Dreams", "Old Friends 4 Sale", "Others Here With us", "Wednesday", "A Case Of U", "Electric Intercourse", "Wet Dream Cousin", etc etc etc? instead of that stupid Kamasutra thing as a bonus disk, why not The Undertaker, or Camille?

I'm glad for what was on it, but it was paltry in comparison.

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Well, in perfect fairness, CB was something of a kneejerk response to the nascent MP3-trading bootleg scene of ~1996/1997 onwards, which made obtaining his unreleased material faster and less expensive to disseminate and share, and the economy of scale that suggested and his acrimonious relationship with the Internet compelled him to respond in some way.

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P and the 1980s altogether were uncool to the mainstream in 1997/1998.

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Merely having 80s outtakes as an non-major label release (even as a single disc) may not have been enough to get major retailers (Best Buy, Circuit City, Media Play, etc) on board to resell the product; he diluted with 90s remixes and throwaways to make it a 'modern' album (*with some bonuses) to market more generally (which is precisely how it ended up being marketed). The remixed 90s tracks (alongside sappy TGE/Emancipation-era, but otherwise conventional P ballads) helped to thinly camouflage what was then also already outdated work.

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He also doesn't like to look back in general (at least not this far back), so any offering of rare early material was going to be parsimonious just as standard operating procedure.

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Three discs of vintage material he would never have signed off on under any circumstance, as he could hold back and market that among many releases at a later stage of his career or legacy (which sadly didn't materialize during his living years).

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His first 'statement' on the bootleggers and traders logically chose, as a commercial device, to play off one of the better known aspects of Princelore, by casual fans and listeners, the aborted three-LP CB in late 1986. Same album title, with its eponymous opus, same number of individual discs, but, well, you know the rest.

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It was another post-Emancipation moment to suggest that, by going independent of WB, he can now get his mythological three-LP release.

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It may also have been a lead-up to what was most likely already a partially mapped out Prince 'comeback', which ultimately became Rave Un2, a year or two down the pipe. This may also be why NPS was released not under , wedged between these releases.

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Simultaneous with this, was interest in 'Roadhouse Garden', or a release that incorporated many revisited Revolution mid-80s era tracks (or, possibly, a NPG Music Club exclusive stream/download), which may have stalled the official release of vintage outtakes through other outlets (such as a proposed CB2). This, in turn, may also have been intended to generate interest in and positive press for the forthcoming Prince 'comeback' idea.

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If it was ever anything more than half-serious, P's interest in shining light on this portion of the Vault soon waned.

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I feel the Hit N Run albums were a way to start releasing an albums worth of recorded material. Hit N Run 1 filled with Art Official Age outtakes and remixes, Hit N Run 2 with pre- and current 3rd Eye Girl era tracks. He was on to something for sure.

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BartVanHemelen said:

TheEnglishGent said:

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I presume this:

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I could have waited a few more years for these to reach us.

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was in reference to official releases.

EddieC says: Actually, it wasn't. I assume at least some of these leaks are happening because Prince died. This stuff was never going to come out officially while P was alive (and I don't expect it now that he's dead), but I also think that many leaks that might be coming were also not going to happen during his lifetime. I wasn't talking about official releases at all.

Does anyone know when the Hallucination Rain Soundcheck is from ??

Looking at it the soundcheck contains None of Your Business loop which was played on 14 July 94 in New York, so that may be the best guess.

None of Your Business was played in February, but Hallucination Rain wasn't written until May

The artwork just says 1994

What are your thoughts ??

imprimis said:

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Well, in perfect fairness, CB was something of a kneejerk response to the nascent MP3-trading bootleg scene of ~1996/1997 onwards, which made obtaining his unreleased material faster and less expensive to disseminate and share, and the economy of scale that suggested and his acrimonious relationship with the Internet compelled him to respond in some way.

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I don't think MP3 trading of bootlegs was a worry yet in 96/97, Napster didn't even happen until '99.
The bootleg scene at the time was primarily pressed CDs and tape trading and you would probably correct in stating that CB was a response to that. I also think he was itching to get some of that 94 era stuff that WB wasn't interested in out just to spite them.

mrdlf said:

djThunderfunk said:

imprimis said:

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Well, in perfect fairness, CB was something of a kneejerk response to the nascent MP3-trading bootleg scene of ~1996/1997 onwards, which made obtaining his unreleased material faster and less expensive to disseminate and share, and the economy of scale that suggested and his acrimonious relationship with the Internet compelled him to respond in some way.

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I don't think MP3 trading of bootlegs was a worry yet in 96/97, Napster didn't even happen until '99.
The bootleg scene at the time was primarily pressed CDs and tape trading and you would probably correct in stating that CB was a response to that. I also think he was itching to get some of that 94 era stuff that WB wasn't interested in out just to spite them.

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There was already a sizeable alt.binaries.*, IRC DCC transfer, private FTP, etc. scene by late 1997, for the interchange of MP3 bootleg 'rips' (and occasionally other odd compressed audio formats, e.g., MP2 audio, higher-quality RealAudio rm, even .wav for those on DSL/ISDN/T1/T3/satellite/early cable modem). Napster was thoroughly second-rate to what was on offer through these means, at least for Prince outtake and live material. Not to mention that the newsgroups and some private websites eased in exchanging CD-R/tapes/MiniDisc through the mail. It was actually easier, more lovingly and devotedly carried out, in many ways, to get a complete boot or live performance then versus today.

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imprimis said:

djThunderfunk said:

I don't think MP3 trading of bootlegs was a worry yet in 96/97, Napster didn't even happen until '99.
The bootleg scene at the time was primarily pressed CDs and tape trading and you would probably correct in stating that CB was a response to that. I also think he was itching to get some of that 94 era stuff that WB wasn't interested in out just to spite them.

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There was already a sizeable alt.binaries.*, IRC DCC transfer, private FTP, etc. scene by 1997, for the interchange of MP3 bootleg 'rips' (and occasionally other odd compressed audio formats, e.g., MP2 audio, higher-quality RealAudio rm). Napster was thoroughly second-rate to what was on offer through these means. Not to mention that the newsgroups and some private websites eased in exchanging CD-R/tapes/MiniDisc through the mail.

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I'm not disputing that, I'm saying it wasn't a big worry yet. It wasn't a problem till the "masses" became aware of it, which happened with Napster. In 96-97 MOST bootleg collectors bought CDs or traded tapes (CDRs & burners weren't even common yet). Very few people knew about trading MP3s AND had the technology AND knew where to go to trade. Most still did it the old fashioned way. I am positive that in 96 Prince was more concerned with labels like Moonraker than obscure alt.binaries groups.


Not even mentioning dial-up speeds and how long it took to download a complete bootleg in 96...

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That's true. Only the lowest common denominator of casual Prince listener would find a product such as 'Crystal Ball' (1997/98) to be the superior option to the [relatively well made by bootlegger standards] Moonraker and Thunderball releases back then. If he wanted to step in, he needed to go for the long haul.

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djThunderfunk said:

imprimis said:

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There was already a sizeable alt.binaries.*, IRC DCC transfer, private FTP, etc. scene by 1997, for the interchange of MP3 bootleg 'rips' (and occasionally other odd compressed audio formats, e.g., MP2 audio, higher-quality RealAudio rm). Napster was thoroughly second-rate to what was on offer through these means. Not to mention that the newsgroups and some private websites eased in exchanging CD-R/tapes/MiniDisc through the mail.

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I'm not disputing that, I'm saying it wasn't a big worry yet. It wasn't a problem till the "masses" became aware of it, which happened with Napster. In 96-97 MOST bootleg collectors bought CDs or traded tapes (CDRs & burners weren't even common yet). Very few people new about trading MP3s AND had the technology AND new where to go to trade. Most still did it the old fashioned way. I am positive that in 96 Prince was more concerned with labels like Moonraker than obscure alt.binaries groups.

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If anybody was feeling kind enough to org note an out of touch w/ technology P fan about where one might go to grab these it would be greatly appreciated.

imprimis said:

That's true. Only the lowest common denominator of casual Prince listener would find a product such as 'Crystal Ball' (1997/98) to be the superior option to the [relatively well made by bootlegger standards] Moonraker and Thunderball releases back then. If he wanted to step in, he ought to have put a little more equity in it.

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Agreed. We were comparing CB to Fantasia or Deposition or H2O, etc. etc.... Not to even mention Super Hero's City Lights set.

Thanks gals and or guys .

Another new drop - 1994-06-26 Glam Slam Los Angeles · Encore (Soundboard). Another 4DaFunk/Reverend production. Two tracks. The first one is the audience clamoring for an encore but you have to crank it WAY up to even hear anything. Second one (there are only two) is a 7:45 version of Peach - listening now! Sound quality is excellent!

1994 is one of my favorite years in Prince music, so, thanks once again the leakers!!!

Mary Don't You Weep at the Palladium... Dayum! I've heard an audience of this before but this soundboard is killing me!!

Bebop17 said:

Bebop17 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

paulludvig said:

BartVanHemelen said: We had songs on boots that were later released on Crystal Ball, didn't we?

instead of that stupid Kamasutra thing as a bonus disk

Listened once on;y. I remember some scissors sbipping on a song. I guess that was the stand out track?

Yeah, definitely having trouble finding these soundboards.