Synergy said:

Two of the band mates (can't remember the names, sorry) said in an interview They knew Prince had started having seizures again (thus, the need for xanax, which is what I also take for seizures) and had a heart murmur. I was told he was severely anemic, white blood count was very high.

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That is quite a list of issues.

High white blood count means he was quite ill.

But there was no mention of him taking medications against that?

Or what was the cause of the white cell count.

rogifan said:

Menes said:

Theres is at least one , maybe two misleading statements that we can pinpoint. We all remember who took a call from the Star Tribune and made the claim that it was just <dehydration> when the plane incident took place. I am sure that person regrets taking that call. That person will have to answer to an investigator about making an intentionally misleading statement. What about the other person who said he had the "flu" ( under the weather) and could not make the initial dates to Atlanta? How did he/she know it was the flu? Who was the publicist that did the booking 10 days before ?

Can anyone confirm that Paedra Ellis-Lamkins is the person who recommended the doctor in California? I am not sure about the facts on that. This would be about 12 hours before his death.

If it was just a routine flu "sick" call, why not take him to the hospital or call 911 if it was that bad? Why the sudden recommendation for an interventionist?? You must have known it was directly related to substance abuse. So, where would anyone get that information? From the staff right? Someone in that house had to know what was going on prior to making that call. I would bet my life on it. You dont go from lying about "dehydration" to getting an intervention specialist without knowing something. Nothing happened overnight.

Kirk and Meron hold all the answers IMO.

Meron wasn't on the plane was she? When did she start @ PP? She still updates her pages, while "Kirk" has been mysteriously beamed into another galaxy.

herb4 said:

Why would anyone be crushed to find out that Prince had an addiction problem anyway? I mean aside from a "damn that sucks" perspective. It's not a character flaw, it's a disease and it can happen to anyone. It affects people from every walk of life. I don't see how it taints his character if he had a problem there. No one's calling him a "rock star junkie" aside from a few assholes in certain comments sections here and there. I don't have any issues believing that Prince had an addiction problem. I've had them myself. Still do.

Doesn't tarnish my opinion of him, or that of any empathetic, fair minded, logical person.

Also:

Someone in the last thread said "no one here is saying that Roince didn't have a problem." YES they are. A lot of people are and some of them are rather defensive and in denile about it for some reason.

Edit: Beaten, but, yeah; basically what NELCP777 said.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:51am]

Exactly.

If anyone is devestated by Prince suffering from something that can happen to absolutely anyone, then you need to reexamine your assumptions and biases.

And accepting that he likely had a drug problem and that this should not tarnish his legacy in any way, does not make me "pro drug" as someone here suggested. I've been a boring, play by the rules type all my life. I am simply not anti-person with addiction. It's sad that he died, that he needed help and it came too late, but none of this makes him an immoral, weak person.

leadline said:

XxAxX said:

out of respect for prince, i'm trying hard NOT to consider that.

i'm having a hard time embracing the 'prince was deliberately murdered in a hit-style attack'. on the other hand, quite a few people were benefiting from his generosity. he was vulnerable in the best kind of way, insofar as he was known to lend a helping hand.

warner brothers has a $hit ton to gain from prince's passing. TMZ was absolutely harassing him before his death.

however, in my lurid mind's eye lurks this scenario that maybe prince wasn't alone that night, but was with someone when he suffered a seizure...?

this is PURE SPECULATION from the imagination of someone who watches way too many scary movies:

we all keep saying how we would never have left prince alone, how it's impossible that no one was concerned enough to be there for him. well, maybe the obvious is true. maybe he wasn't alone.

imagine, it would sure as heck be awkward explaining one's presence when a superstar ODs on something fatal righjt in front of you, especially if you provided the dose and/or knew who did.... god what a sad thought. i apologize for letting my mind run on this way.

but could he have been with someone trying to help him make it until the morning when help would arrive? maybe he called an old or new friend over. he was known to call people in the middle of the night and ask them to come over.....

what if someone was with him? dressed him in a hurry and tried to get him downstairs to the car, all while protecting his privacy and avoiding 911??

i apologize again for sharing this fetid little blast of imagination with you. but since you mentioned it, this is what i see as maybe having happened, assuming that foul play is involved.

That has nothing to do with respect for Prince by not entertainting that possibility. It is actually disrespectful to Prince to not consider all possibilites, it is the only way to get to the truth.

Accurate investigations could never be conducted if the people investigating blindly threw out all possibilities that didn't fit their own personal bias, frame of reference or gut feelings. Everything must be investigated, no matter how hard it is to believe, swallow or comprehend. Every possbility that is ruled out based on actual investigation, not assumption, gets you closer to the truth.

If this is how they are conducting their investigation then they are doing right by Prince, if it is not, then they are doing him a disservice.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:55am]

I said at the beginning of pt 1 of this thread that everything is on the table and every damn body is suspect until they get some answers, period. It seems that the addicts on the thread are the only ones attacking people who have ideas that don't fit their personal narrative, calling people names and repeatedly accusing them of denial and idol worship and otherwise lashing out at people who have alternate ideas for not marveling at their brilliant powers of deductive reasoning.

They alone know it all so I'm out.

Menes said:

rogifan said:

Menes said: Kirk and Meron hold all the answers IMO.

Meron wasn't on the plane was she? When did she start @ PP? She still updates her pages, while "Kirk" has been mysteriously beamed into another galaxy.

Don't read too much into that Kirk was hardly a prolific tweeter before April. It's strange his PA wasn't with him.

Focus on when your could really notice the change in his appearance and that was recent - within the last year to 18 months. Something happened to cause that change and I'm sorry but I'm not buying it was the pills alone or he just woke up one day and decided he was going to start popping pills. As I said before look at his appearance and demeanor from say, Musicology right up to when he grew the big 'fro and started wearing less makeup. Outside of the normal aging process, which we all go through, there was no noticeable change. I could post lots of photos where he looked beautiful and healthy as ever. Even when he first started growing out the 'fro he still looked great and healthy. Seems to me either the use of pills was more recent or something else was going on and perhaps why he got into the pills in the first place.

leadline said:

Yes to that..
Also thought maybe that is why the family did not clean up his house....

Menes said:

I believe she started working for Prince in 2013 but not 100% positive. Josh and Hannah Welton were supposedly with Prince when he attended a show at the Dakota just a few days before he passed. As far as I know they're not lawyered up. And I believe Josh Dunham called they day before Prince passed just checking in to see how he was doing and was surprised that he answered the phone. Sounded like it was a short conversation with Prince saying he was fine and was just about to eat lunch.

strawberrylova123 said:

oscarchristio777 said:

Matt fink is the one who mentioned that prince had a heart murmur

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Purpleone4Eva said:

herb4 said:

Why would anyone be crushed to find out that Prince had an addiction problem anyway? I mean aside from a "damn that sucks" perspective. It's not a character flaw, it's a disease and it can happen to anyone. It affects people from every walk of life. I don't see how it taints his character if he had a problem there. No one's calling him a "rock star junkie" aside from a few assholes in certain comments sections here and there. I don't have any issues believing that Prince had an addiction problem. I've had them myself. Still do.

Doesn't tarnish my opinion of him, or that of any empathetic, fair minded, logical person.

Also:

Someone in the last thread said "no one here is saying that Roince didn't have a problem." YES they are. A lot of people are and some of them are rather defensive and in denile about it for some reason.

Edit: Beaten, but, yeah; basically what NELCP777 said.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:51am]

Exactly.

If anyone is devestated by Prince suffering from something that can happen to absolutely anyone, then you need to reexamine your assumptions and biases.

And accepting that he likely had a drug problem and that this should not tarnish his legacy in any way, does not make me "pro drug" as someone here suggested. I've been a boring, play by the rules type all my life. I am simply not anti-person with addiction. It's sad that he died, that he needed help and it came too late, but none of this makes him an immoral, weak person.

this is how i feel. hooked on pills or not, he's still my hero. so what if he was human, flawed like all of us are. no one on earth has standing to judge him

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

If the family didn't clean anything up then I'm assuming they were told not to perhaps treating it as a crime scene not wanting to tamper with any evidence.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

The only thing that I would say that maybe points to pills being planted is that a dozen or so were found in his dressing room at PP. Now I don't know if they were stashed away in drawer or something or were they lying about on a dresser. I think that if someone is addicted to a substance, they would keep up with their stuff and not leave it lying around. But strange things happen.

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Aside from the dressing room pills, I'm leaning more towards P having an addiction to the pain pills. When you get to the point of buying them off the black market, I think that you're pass the dependency stage. Based on the information that we have so far, I believe that within the last 2 years or so, that P developed an addiction. Within the last month or so of his life, he got a hold of some bad counterfeit pills that contained fentanyl, and he took the same amount that he was used to taking, but fentanyl was far stronger than the hydrocodone, and that's what killed him. If it had not been for the bad batch of pills, he would still be here.

XxAxX said:

Possibly,
this line fro above....especially if you provided the dose and/or knew who did..
That person may have known those pills were not hydrocodone what Prince thought they were then panicked to make it look like they were all over the place. To make it look Like it was P fault...
Plus somehow the security cameras were off...that is the part that makes his death sound like foul play was involved

tmo1965 said:

leadline said:

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

The only thing that I would say that maybe points to pills being planted is that a dozen or so were found in his dressing room at PP. Now I don't know if they were stashed away in drawer or something or were they lying about on a dresser. I think that if someone is addicted to a substance, they would keep up with their stuff and not leave it lying around. But strange things happen.

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Aside from the dressing room pills, I'm leaning more towards P having an addiction to the pain pills. When you get to the point of buying them off the black market, I think that you're pass the dependency stage. Based on the information that we have so far, I believe that within the last 2 years or so, that P developed an addiction. Within the last month or so of his life, he got a hold of some bad counterfeit pills that contained fentanyl, and he took the same amount that he was used to taking, but fentanyl was far stronger than the hydrocodone, and that's what killed him. If it had not been for the bad batch of pills, he would still be here.

Were there any other incidents of fentanyl overdose that have been tied to these mislabeled pills? I ask seriously, because if there wasn't, then a one off mislabel batch of pills of this kind with deadly amounts of fentanyl in each individual pill raises huge red flags. (for me) Because if it was just some random one time mix up and misdosing of the pills by the manufacture, the chances of them landing in Princes hands would be slim to none.

[Edited 8/23/16 9:16am]

rogifan said:

Focus on when your could really notice the change in his appearance and that was recent - within the last year to 18 months. Something happened to cause that change and I'm sorry but I'm not buying it was the pills alone or he just woke up one day and decided he was going to start popping pills. As I said before look at his appearance and demeanor from say, Musicology right up to when he grew the big 'fro and started wearing less makeup. Outside of the normal aging process, which we all go through, there was no noticeable change. I could post lots of photos where he looked beautiful and healthy as ever. Even when he first started growing out the 'fro he still looked great and healthy. Seems to me either the use of pills was more recent or something else was going on and perhaps why he got into the pills in the first place.

I so agree with you.

morningsong said:

I had already accepted that Prince had an addiction/dependency problem. I was hoping he hadn't gone the illegal route to satisfy it. He did and it killed him. I'm really hoping all this isn't behind some issue of his trying to hang on to youth so much so that he began relaxing his personal standards trying to accommendate it, but truthfully that concerned me about his behavior long before his death. Would love to be wrong, Would love to know he had a definite goal he was trying to achieve before taking a step back so he pushed it all into over-drive. But no matter how this turns out this is becoming one of the saddest stories told.

I dont think its just a Prince holding on to his youth (although it could be) . People who have been exposed to this degree of superstardom would go to any lengths to keep such things quiet. I would. I think Elvis had the same probelm of covering up his massive druge use. When you are known for having an anti-drug image, getting conventional help is not an option. The fall and shame would be to great to bare. At the last moment , someone was tying to convince him but I will bet that he agreed to it kicking and screaming.

XxAxX said:

leadline said:

That has nothing to do with respect for Prince by not entertainting that possibility. It is actually disrespectful to Prince to not consider all possibilites, it is the only way to get to the truth.

Accurate investigations could never be conducted if the people investigating blindly threw out all possibilities that didn't fit their own personal bias, frame of reference or gut feelings. Everything must be investigated, no matter how hard it is to believe, swallow or comprehend. Every possbility that is ruled out based on actual investigation, not assumption, gets you closer to the truth.

If this is how they are conducting their investigation then they are doing right by Prince, if it is not, then they are doing him a disservice.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:55am]

all righty then. let's get a bit darker, shall we? the coincidences surrounding his death are striking. the date, the elevator both have singular resonance in prince history.

backwards and inside out clothing has some darker meanings in occult circles. various cultures around the world attach especial significance to how the deceased is dressed, which way they face, and etc.

so assuming someone had a personal grudge and intended prince harm, this could all be 'staging' of a death scene. to be super grim, i'd say search the dark web for photos of him there, like that. find whoever is distributing them....

Are you saying there are pics of Prince dead? Surely not! Geez!

LuxLove said:

I had no idea what backwards clothes meant... That is sick knowing how close Prince was to God

leadline said:

tmo1965 said:

The only thing that I would say that maybe points to pills being planted is that a dozen or so were found in his dressing room at PP. Now I don't know if they were stashed away in drawer or something or were they lying about on a dresser. I think that if someone is addicted to a substance, they would keep up with their stuff and not leave it lying around. But strange things happen.

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Aside from the dressing room pills, I'm leaning more towards P having an addiction to the pain pills. When you get to the point of buying them off the black market, I think that you're pass the dependency stage. Based on the information that we have so far, I believe that within the last 2 years or so, that P developed an addiction. Within the last month or so of his life, he got a hold of some bad counterfeit pills that contained fentanyl, and he took the same amount that he was used to taking, but fentanyl was far stronger than the hydrocodone, and that's what killed him. If it had not been for the bad batch of pills, he would still be here.

Were there any other incidents of fentanyl overdose that have been tied to these mislabeled pills? I ask seriously, because if there wasn't, then a one off mislabel batch of pills of this kind with deadly amounts of fentanyl in each individual pill raises huge red flags. (for me)

[Edited 8/23/16 9:13am]

yes. many, many incidents. so much so, that counterfeit pills containing unspecified amounts of fentanyl has become an epidemic, not just in minnesota but nationwide:

http://kstp.com/entertainment/counterfeit-pain-pills-prince/4242453/?cat=1

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-death-a-reminder-of-state-opioid-problem/377649911/

[Edited 8/23/16 9:23am]

1Sasha said:

rogifan said:

Focus on when your could really notice the change in his appearance and that was recent - within the last year to 18 months. Something happened to cause that change and I'm sorry but I'm not buying it was the pills alone or he just woke up one day and decided he was going to start popping pills. As I said before look at his appearance and demeanor from say, Musicology right up to when he grew the big 'fro and started wearing less makeup. Outside of the normal aging process, which we all go through, there was no noticeable change. I could post lots of photos where he looked beautiful and healthy as ever. Even when he first started growing out the 'fro he still looked great and healthy. Seems to me either the use of pills was more recent or something else was going on and perhaps why he got into the pills in the first place.

I so agree with you.

I saw no change in his appearance, nor did anyone who worked with him, saw him perform live, or just saw him in general, ie., electric fetus folks, others around town. Many are on record stating all was good visually.

The issue comes from these 1 frame shots of a live concert with weird lighting while he is singing sad songs, with a huge afro wearing loose clothes (who wouldnt look thin in the face and body with a giant afro and loose clothes?). Other frames of him standing in odd positions, or other frames yet where he just doesnt look flattering, also due to light and shadow. One such pic was shown in the previous part 1 of this thread from the 2013 grammy's where he looked horrible in the pic that was posted, then two other pics were posted where he looked like the Prince we are used to.

I honestly think folks are taking these one off horrible quality video stills, etc, and creating entire scenarios around them that just don't exist. I will trust what folks are saying who were actually with him or saw him in 'real time live 3d' during the last month.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

leadline said:

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

Yes to that.. Also thought maybe that is why the family did not clean up his house....

They didn't "clean up his house" because it was a crime scene - or a death scene anyway. If they were complicit in any way it would have looked WORSE if they had cleaned it up and would have raised more suspicions. When my mother attempted suicide I left everything just like I'd found it - pills, booze, drugs, note... everything. I was interviewed for maybe 10 minutes and that was it.

If I had tossed any of that stuff I'm certain it would have taken much much longer than 10 minutes to be interviewed and cleared. Leaving the place as it was was smart and, more importantly, the legal thing to do. It's what an innocent person would do.

MMJas said:

XxAxX said:

all righty then. let's get a bit darker, shall we? the coincidences surrounding his death are striking. the date, the elevator both have singular resonance in prince history.

backwards and inside out clothing has some darker meanings in occult circles. various cultures around the world attach especial significance to how the deceased is dressed, which way they face, and etc.

so assuming someone had a personal grudge and intended prince harm, this could all be 'staging' of a death scene. to be super grim, i'd say search the dark web for photos of him there, like that. find whoever is distributing them....

Are you saying there are pics of Prince dead? Surely not! Geez!

nope. we are speaking purely speculatively, as i meade clear at the beginning of this string. i'm tossing out ideas in the spirit of discussion, in specific response to something another Orger posted. no accusations are being made.

leadline said:

--There are articles going back last year going back to last about fake pills in Minn and North Dakota. Not sure why drug dealers want to kill their customers.

strawberrylova123 said:

oscarchristio777 said:

Matt fink is the one who mentioned that prince had a heart murmur

A heart murmur is not a big deal for the vast majority of people who have them, especially if it was something they were born with. I've had one since I was born. They say that I have a prolasped heart valve, but I've never had any issues with it and I'm 50 yo. I have no restrictions on activity and I have never taken any meds for it.

[Edited 8/23/16 9:28am]

rogifan said:

funksterr said:

Y'all forgot about LoveEcstacy in 1988. Kinda says it all in terms of whether Prince fux with drugs recreationaly. Also the Purple Prowler rumour from a.m.p. at a known drug house. "I am open to all experiences" when asked does he fux with da drugs. "I HAVE BEEN TRANSFORMED" after the plane OD. I think it's plausible that he dabbled with pills over the years.

That I have been transformed tweet was not something Prince said, he was tweeting something a concert goer said after a P&M show. If you go through his Twitter feed you'll see he (or whomever was posting from his account) wasn't proficient on how to re-tweet stuff. They'd just copy somebody's comments into a new tweet which made it look like it was his tweet. And as much as people might be grasping at straws with all the foul play stuff I'd say the same for those suggesting he was a recreational user.

rogisfan - RE 'I am #transformed' - Just to support what you said that Prince was simply retweeting what someone said about the Atlanta shows.

XxAxX said:

MMJas said:

Are you saying there are pics of Prince dead? Surely not! Geez!

nope. we are speaking purely speculatively, as i meade clear at the beginning of this string. i'm tossing out ideas in the spirit of discussion, in specific response to something another Orger posted. no accusations are being made.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

Here's another question: if Prince really was ill (cancer, whatever), surely there would have been records for Rx, right? If there were none, that kinda settles the argument.

captiveunicorn said:

Probably the most plausible line of thinking I have read on this thread. I'm with you.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

Were there any other incidents of fentanyl overdose that have been tied to these mislabeled pills? I ask seriously, because if there wasn't, then a one off mislabel batch of pills of this kind with deadly amounts of fentanyl in each individual pill raises huge red flags. (for me) Because if it was just some random one time mix up and misdosing of the pills by the manufacture, the chances of them landing in Princes hands would be slim to none.

[Edited 8/23/16 9:16am]

--There are articles going back last year going back to last about fake pills in Minn and North Dakota. Not sure why drug dealers want to kill their customers.

people who use opiates that ive seen like the strongest thing possible,,Take a bag of heroin and its known to have caused many to OD..those who are still using to would make a beeline to get that batch,,,not saying this was prince just stating what a user would do

[Edited 8/23/16 9:42am]

herb4 said:

-- Some of you leave sheltered lives. The paramedics took his body away and his family came in to the building the police left at this point Breamer Trusts is not even involved it is the families job to secure the premises at that point. if you don't think families clean up evidence in that time period you are smoking crack. I think they were really clueless about what was going on.
[Edited 8/23/16 9:38am]