XxAxX said:

leadline said:

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

out of respect for prince, i'm trying hard NOT to consider that.

i'm having a hard time embracing the 'prince was deliberately murdered in a hit-style attack'. on the other hand, quite a few people were benefiting from his generosity. he was vulnerable in the best kind of way, insofar as he was known to lend a helping hand.

warner brothers has a $hit ton to gain from prince's passing. TMZ was absolutely harassing him before his death.

however, in my lurid mind's eye lurks this scenario that maybe prince wasn't alone that night, but was with someone when he suffered a seizure...?

this is PURE SPECULATION from the imagination of someone who watches way too many scary movies:

we all keep saying how we would never have left prince alone, how it's impossible that no one was concerned enough to be there for him. well, maybe the obvious is true. maybe he wasn't alone.

imagine, it would sure as heck be awkward explaining one's presence when a superstar ODs on something fatal righjt in front of you, especially if you provided the dose and/or knew who did.... god what a sad thought. i apologize for letting my mind run on this way.

but could he have been with someone trying to help him make it until the morning when help would arrive? maybe he called an old or new friend over. he was known to call people in the middle of the night and ask them to come over.....

what if someone was with him? dressed him in a hurry and tried to get him downstairs to the car, all while protecting his privacy and avoiding 911??

i apologize again for sharing this fetid little blast of imagination with you. but since you mentioned it, this is what i see as maybe having happened, assuming that foul play is involved.

That has nothing to do with respect for Prince by not entertainting that possibility. It is actually disrespectful to Prince to not consider all possibilites, it is the only way to get to the truth.

Accurate investigations could never be conducted if the people investigating blindly threw out all possibilities that didn't fit their own personal bias, frame of reference or gut feelings. Everything must be investigated, no matter how hard it is to believe, swallow or comprehend. Every possbility that is ruled out based on actual investigation, not assumption, gets you closer to the truth.

If this is how they are conducting their investigation then they are doing right by Prince, if it is not, then they are doing him a disservice.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:55am]

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

It is dishearting that you can't keep up with what is going on.

They said his doctor wrote Rxs for him on the 20th and these were not pain meds.

Don't you think if this unnamed source is saying that he had Xanax and Anti-Seizure meds in his system that he might of had an Rx for those?

He was seeing DR. S for something and doctors don't run test for grins and giggles. DR. S was not a pain management doctor so maybe P was seeing him for other issues.

The pill bottles were marked vitamin C and had the fake Hoxydone in them and the found the oxy with someone else's name on it.

However 20 different pills bottles does not mean 20 different types of pills. We all know he was dependent on pain pills and it would appear to be the Hodrycone as will don't know what he OD on board the plane but we know it was not Fentanyl.

..Xanax is a controlled substance i take xanax,, its presecribed no more than two weeks at a time..everytime i need to refill it, i have to call the doctor whom since its a controlled substance has to fax or call it in to pharmacy..no way around it as its regulated by DEA..They authorities have said no scripts were written in Princes name for the 12 months prior to his death If he was on xanax from a dr, he'd have one

[Edited 8/23/16 7:35am]

Originally from the serch warrent it was said he had two Rx that were not pain meds that Dr. S wrote for him. I think the unnamed source is wrong about controlled subs. I think it was no pain meds were prescirbed for him in Minneasota in the last 12 months. In fact my Fox News channel stated that last night. This has been discussed on this board about a million times even Dr. S attorney said that the Dr cannot discuss the test P took or the meds that were prescribed.

Do you think he was scoring the ant-seizure meds off the street as well?

laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

..Xanax is a controlled substance i take xanax,, its presecribed no more than two weeks at a time..everytime i need to refill it, i have to call the doctor whom since its a controlled substance has to fax or call it in to pharmacy..no way around it as its regulated by DEA..They authorities have said no scripts were written in Princes name for the 12 months prior to his death If he was on xanax from a dr, he'd have one

[Edited 8/23/16 7:35am]

Originally from the serch warrent it was said he had two Rx that were not pain meds that Dr. S wrote for him. I think the unnamed source is wrong about controlled subs. I think it was no pain meds were prescirbed for him in Minneasota in the last 12 months. In fact my Fox News channel stated that last night. This has been discussed on this board about a million times even Dr. S attorney said that the Dr cannot discuss the test P took or the meds that were prescribed.

Do you think he was scoring the ant-seizure meds off the street as well?

it stated no prescriptions for any controlled substance for which xanax is...it didnt say pain meds..you are creating your own narrative

kmama07 said:

sonshin de said:

Someone should have been with him. Someone who could administer Narcan if necessary. That was my first thought after we knew how he died, and t keeps coming back to that. People knew he was in crisis. He od'd days before. Especially if someone with knowledge of that was also someone who was helping him get pills they for sure should have had a safety net in place. [Edited 8/22/16 22:52pm]

Like everyone here, I am deeply saddened by his passing and troubled by the news of drug use /possible abuse /dependency, etc. However, what happened to the concept of personal accountability for one's actions? Yes, he was in crisis and shouldn't have been left alone. Yes, no one should have been pounding the pavement for him to supply him with illegal prescriptions drugs. However, no matter who it was or even if he/she /they would have decided to stop helping to procure the drugs, he would have found someone else who would. It's the nature of the beast/addiction. Having been an addict (and now 14 yrs sober) I can say this from experience. I was fully functioning, great job, family, money, etc., but if anyone or anything stood in my way of obtaining what I thought I needed ... They /it were cut off and out replaced by "yes men". This included doctors. Everyone has a price and he certainly could afford it. Before anyone comes down on me... I AM NOT SAYING HE WAS A JUNKIE LOSER... BLAH BLAH BLAH. I am saying he was human, and like me (and others like me), I don't believe he chose to become dependant /addicted. However, once he did, it was hard to shake the addiction. And unfortunately he lost the battle. Again, through his own choices. Breaks my heart.

I am sorry you had an additction problem but your problem was your problem and Prince's was his problem.

At no time has anyone said he was not responsible for this mess. Dude did what he wanted to do the way he wanted to do it but someone manufactred those pills and someone got them for him.

They are responsible for this as well. I have asked this question and thousand times. What if you were in pain? What would you do if you got cut off and was still hurting? What if you might have stop playing music and your lively hood is gone?

[Edited 8/23/16 7:48am]

I do not understand why if Prince had a dependency on pain pills is a problem. It is sad that he succumbed to this dependency. Like so many others, I was devastated to hear his passing. It is still hard to process the idea that he is no longer with us physically.

I believe that the ME made the correct conclusion/determination in his death. I do think that it was accidental. Prince took what he thought was Hydrocone, but the pill contained fentanyl. I do not think he was murdered nor there was a conspiracy. All this proofs to me is that Prince was human and he had a dependency he could not kick or was trying to kick.

If he was terminal or had some major pain, then I believe he would have been prescribed pills and they need for illicit pills would have not been made.

Pain pills is a major epidimic. This stuff is scary. Like many others, it breaks my heart that Prince had to battle this. I am sure it started with his surgery and progressed slowly. Perhaps in the last year, when his physical appearance changed, this was a combination of the illicit pills, aging, and his insane work schedule.

Prince having a dependency with pain meds does not change my opinion of him. It does not negate his legacy or artistic creativity. It does not change the fact that he was a caring, loving and giving man. We as fans want to defend him and we can.

I believe as time goes on, the issue with Prince and how he died will come to a head. It is almost there. This will reach a point and explode, and more people will talk. I also believe that the investigation is a difficult one and will take a long time to process, if anything is ever resolved in the manner of how Prince obtained the illicit drugs.

Nothing can change the outcome. Second guessing the actions of Prince and his friends/inner circle, in my opinion, will only make the acceptance longer and harder. That is not saying, people can not have their own opinion, which I believe everyone is entitled to.As a community, we have to figure out how we can heal and move forward. We must also trust that the law enforcement community and even Prince's family, are make decisions and moving in directions that will resolve Prince's death and the circumstance surrounding it.

whatever your view point is, and how certain you are that you are correct, not one person in this discussion knows for sure what happened. if everyone could keep an open mind, you all may really be able to sort some stuff out. you all know him better than anyone investigating him, and care way more. they have all the facts, but we have all the passion. i for one am open to hearing everyones take on it, even the more off the wall scenarios, as this entire thing is bizzare, so the real answer could be bizzare as well. we all want the truth, but now i think we all want to make sure that there is justice as well and not a cover up

Why would anyone be crushed to find out that Prince had an addiction problem anyway? I mean aside from a "damn that sucks" perspective. It's not a character flaw, it's a disease and it can happen to anyone. It affects people from every walk of life. I don't see how it taints his character if he had a problem there. No one's calling him a "rock star junkie" aside from a few assholes in certain comments sections here and there. I don't have any issues believing that Prince had an addiction problem. I've had them myself. Still do.

Doesn't tarnish my opinion of him, or that of any empathetic, fair minded, logical person.

Also:

Someone in the last thread said "no one here is saying that Roince didn't have a problem." YES they are. A lot of people are and some of them are rather defensive and in denile about it for some reason.

Edit: Beaten, but, yeah; basically what NELCP777 said.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:51am]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

whatever your view point is, and how certain you are that you are correct, not one person in this discussion knows for sure what happened. if everyone could keep an open mind, you all may really be able to sort some stuff out. you all know him better than anyone investigating him, and care way more. they have all the facts, but we have all the passion. i for one am open to hearing everyones take on it, even the more off the wall scenarios, as this entire thing is bizzare, so the real answer could be bizzare as well. we all want the truth, but now i think we all want to make sure that there is justice as well and not a cover up

Well said

This article says that in some pills was also found the U-47700 and that prince was not tested on this.

http://bigstory.ap.org/6ea0a330a6fa442990b24ec0c5153b27?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

"Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-47700 — a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine."

"U-47700 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said."

This article from July 19th says that U-47700 was found in Prince's system and it was tested?

http://kstp.com/news/prince-u-47700-painkiller-system-toxicology-drug-synthetic-opioid/4204272/

[Edited 8/23/16 7:53am]

[Edited 8/23/16 8:08am]

herb4 said:

Why would anyone be crushed to find out that Prince had an addiction problem anyway? I mean aside from a "damn that sucks" perspective. It's not a character flaw, it's a disease and it can happen to anyone. It affects people from every walk of life. I don't see how it taints his character if he had a problem there. No one's calling him a "rock star junkie" aside from a few assholes in certain comments sections here and there. I don't have any issues believing that Prince had an addiction problem. I've had them myself. Still do.

Doesn't tarnish my opinion of him, or that of any empathetic, fair minded, logical person.

Also:

Someone in the last thread said "no one here is saying that Roince didn't have a problem." YES they are. A lot of people are and some of them are rather defensive and in denile about it for some reason.

Edit: Beaten, but, yeah; basically what NELCP777 said.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:51am]

I think its all the secrecy, and the nature of the man himself that makes it a problem. He was very harsh with past employees/family members when it came to any form of drug use/abuse. Initially, he wasn't very kind to Tyka when she was using( if I remember correctly). I dont think he saw it as a disease. As an example, Let's say the issue was that we found out that he had an affair with a man after knowing how harsh of a stance he had about homosexuality. Those of us who have been harsh on him about the overdose issue, would react the same way I believe.

leadline said:

XxAxX said:

out of respect for prince, i'm trying hard NOT to consider that.

i'm having a hard time embracing the 'prince was deliberately murdered in a hit-style attack'. on the other hand, quite a few people were benefiting from his generosity. he was vulnerable in the best kind of way, insofar as he was known to lend a helping hand.

warner brothers has a $hit ton to gain from prince's passing. TMZ was absolutely harassing him before his death.

however, in my lurid mind's eye lurks this scenario that maybe prince wasn't alone that night, but was with someone when he suffered a seizure...?

this is PURE SPECULATION from the imagination of someone who watches way too many scary movies:

we all keep saying how we would never have left prince alone, how it's impossible that no one was concerned enough to be there for him. well, maybe the obvious is true. maybe he wasn't alone.

imagine, it would sure as heck be awkward explaining one's presence when a superstar ODs on something fatal righjt in front of you, especially if you provided the dose and/or knew who did.... god what a sad thought. i apologize for letting my mind run on this way.

but could he have been with someone trying to help him make it until the morning when help would arrive? maybe he called an old or new friend over. he was known to call people in the middle of the night and ask them to come over.....

what if someone was with him? dressed him in a hurry and tried to get him downstairs to the car, all while protecting his privacy and avoiding 911??

i apologize again for sharing this fetid little blast of imagination with you. but since you mentioned it, this is what i see as maybe having happened, assuming that foul play is involved.

That has nothing to do with respect for Prince by not entertainting that possibility. It is actually disrespectful to Prince to not consider all possibilites, it is the only way to get to the truth.

Accurate investigations could never be conducted if the people investigating blindly threw out all possibilities that didn't fit their own personal bias, frame of reference or gut feelings. Everything must be investigated, no matter how hard it is to believe, swallow or comprehend. Every possbility that is ruled out based on actual investigation, not assumption, gets you closer to the truth.

If this is how they are conducting their investigation then they are doing right by Prince, if it is not, then they are doing him a disservice.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:55am]

all righty then. let's get a bit darker, shall we? the coincidences surrounding his death are striking. the date, the elevator both have singular resonance in prince history.

backwards and inside out clothing has some darker meanings in occult circles. various cultures around the world attach especial significance to how the deceased is dressed, which way they face, and etc.

so assuming someone had a personal grudge and intended prince harm, this could all be 'staging' of a death scene. to be super grim, i'd say search the dark web for photos of him there, like that. find whoever is distributing them....

XxAxX said:

leadline said:

That has nothing to do with respect for Prince by not entertainting that possibility. It is actually disrespectful to Prince to not consider all possibilites, it is the only way to get to the truth.

Accurate investigations could never be conducted if the people investigating blindly threw out all possibilities that didn't fit their own personal bias, frame of reference or gut feelings. Everything must be investigated, no matter how hard it is to believe, swallow or comprehend. Every possbility that is ruled out based on actual investigation, not assumption, gets you closer to the truth.

If this is how they are conducting their investigation then they are doing right by Prince, if it is not, then they are doing him a disservice.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:55am]

all righty then. let's get a bit darker, shall we? the coincidences surrounding his death are striking. the date, the elevator both have singular resonance in prince history.

backwards and inside out clothing has some darker meanings in occult circles. various cultures around the world attach especial significance to how the deceased is dressed, which way they face, and etc.

so assuming someone had a personal grudge and intended prince harm, this could all be 'staging' of a death scene. to be super grim, i'd say search the dark web for photos of him there, like that. find whoever is distributing them....

As soon as I mentioned backwards clothes to my sister she said that's satanic!

Don't condone anyone going on dark web - scary!

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

Originally from the serch warrent it was said he had two Rx that were not pain meds that Dr. S wrote for him. I think the unnamed source is wrong about controlled subs. I think it was no pain meds were prescirbed for him in Minneasota in the last 12 months. In fact my Fox News channel stated that last night. This has been discussed on this board about a million times even Dr. S attorney said that the Dr cannot discuss the test P took or the meds that were prescribed.

Do you think he was scoring the ant-seizure meds off the street as well?

it stated no prescriptions for any controlled substance for which xanax is...it didnt say pain meds..you are creating your own narrative

Good Lord See below has this has been reported numerous times in the media and it is in the search warrent which someone has also posted on this board.

http://www.wnem.com/story/32807229/official-pills-found-at-princes-estate-contained-fentanyl

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The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

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Dr. S prescribe meds for Prince and they said they were not pain meds. What do you think he prescribed? Maybe these two diazepam and,lidocaine or do you think people out in the street buying this stuff as well. Since no pain meds were filled in the state and he had the fake Hydrocodone pills I would think this is what he was really addicted to or maybe trying to ween himself with it. It makes some sense if it is mild pain killer and since he was able to get around well enough.

It is a lot information and hard to keep track but if you Goggle this info is out there. The media has been coming to this board so we do need to be careful

laurarichardson said:

LuxLove said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

whatever your view point is, and how certain you are that you are correct, not one person in this discussion knows for sure what happened. if everyone could keep an open mind, you all may really be able to sort some stuff out. you all know him better than anyone investigating him, and care way more. they have all the facts, but we have all the passion. i for one am open to hearing everyones take on it, even the more off the wall scenarios, as this entire thing is bizzare, so the real answer could be bizzare as well. we all want the truth, but now i think we all want to make sure that there is justice as well and not a cover up

Well said

I agree.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Why would anyone be crushed to find out that Prince had an addiction problem anyway? I mean aside from a "damn that sucks" perspective. It's not a character flaw, it's a disease and it can happen to anyone. It affects people from every walk of life. I don't see how it taints his character if he had a problem there. No one's calling him a "rock star junkie" aside from a few assholes in certain comments sections here and there. I don't have any issues believing that Prince had an addiction problem. I've had them myself. Still do.

Doesn't tarnish my opinion of him, or that of any empathetic, fair minded, logical person.

Also:

Someone in the last thread said "no one here is saying that Roince didn't have a problem." YES they are. A lot of people are and some of them are rather defensive and in denile about it for some reason.

Edit: Beaten, but, yeah; basically what NELCP777 said.

[Edited 8/23/16 7:51am]

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rock star junkie" that was the media at first and that was making people angry but the most recent coverage had gone away from that. I think people have seen his body of work and can see he was not a (rock star junkie"). I do not hink anyone is in denial about the drugs some of us think it was due to medical problems and the fact that he had seizure meds in his system lead us to belive this is an aspect that is being overlooked. He was seeing a Dr. who was not a pain managment or addiction specilist so it stands to reason that other things were going and that he may have really been in pain.

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

Good Lord See below has this has been reported numerous times in the media and it is in the search warrent which someone has also posted on this board.

http://www.wnem.com/story/32807229/official-pills-found-at-princes-estate-contained-fentanyl

---

The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died. According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

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Dr. S prescribe meds for Prince and they said they were not pain meds. What do you think he prescribed? Maybe these two diazepam and,lidocaine or do you think people out in the street buying this stuff as well. Since no pain meds were filled in the state and he had the fake Hydrocodone pills I would think this is what he was really addicted to or maybe trying to ween himself with it. It makes some sense if it is mild pain killer and since he was able to get around well enough.

It is a lot information and hard to keep track but if you Goggle this info is out there. The media has been coming to this board so we do need to be careful

Read what it stated, no controlled substance and yes. People offer my 5 to 7 bucks per xansx pill all the time

Then what did Dr. S prescribe? Sugar Pills ??? The first articles mentions no pain meds this controlled substances comment came later. The warrent obtained information about those test and those meds if they were not pain meds the police are not really interested in them.

According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were for.

They listed what they found in his system if he went to Walgreen to fill Dr. S Rx why would he not have taken them and what is the big deal about Xanax and anti-seziure meds.

LuxLove said:

XxAxX said:

all righty then. let's get a bit darker, shall we? the coincidences surrounding his death are striking. the date, the elevator both have singular resonance in prince history.

backwards and inside out clothing has some darker meanings in occult circles. various cultures around the world attach especial significance to how the deceased is dressed, which way they face, and etc.

so assuming someone had a personal grudge and intended prince harm, this could all be 'staging' of a death scene. to be super grim, i'd say search the dark web for photos of him there, like that. find whoever is distributing them....

As soon as I mentioned backwards clothes to my sister she said that's satanic!

Don't condone anyone going on dark web - scary!

maybe satanic, maybe something else?

remember, prince was fond of backwards lyrics (a/k/a "Backmasking" http://mirror.uncyc.org/w...kmasking).

although, i can't figure out what possible symbol would be deliberately hidden in his clothing....

Theres is at least one , maybe two misleading statements that we can pinpoint. We all remember who took a call from the Star Tribune and made the claim that it was just <dehydration> when the plane incident took place. I am sure that person regrets taking that call. That person will have to answer to an investigator about making an intentionally misleading statement. What about the other person who said he had the "flu" ( under the weather) and could not make the initial dates to Atlanta? How did he/she know it was the flu? Who was the publicist that did the booking 10 days before ?

Can anyone confirm that Paedra Ellis-Lamkins is the person who recommended the doctor in California? I am not sure about the facts on that. This would be about 12 hours before his death.

If it was just a routine flu "sick" call, why not take him to the hospital or call 911 if it was that bad? Why the sudden recommendation for an interventionist?? You must have known it was directly related to substance abuse. So, where would anyone get that information? From the staff right? Someone in that house had to know what was going on prior to making that call. I would bet my life on it. You dont go from lying about "dehydration" to getting an intervention specialist without knowing something. Nothing happened overnight.

has anyone from the org tried to talk to the star tribune reporter that wrote the article? i know it is a long shot, but they are digging and so are we, and there is a lot of quirky in depth knowledge here. seems as though there is a lot of back and forth discussion on each bullet point because of different interpretations of the published facts. even one little bit of additioanl info. could clarify some things.

oscarchristio777 said:

Menes said:

i think since the report said prince had pills mixed in a bottle with a few of them being fentanyl, that he did not know it contain that, why would someone knowingly mix there pills ,how would he know which pill was fentanyl,which has me believeing he was slipped this by someone close to him, because not many even knew he was taking pills. someone wanted him dead.

joelmarable said:

i think since the report said prince had pills mixed in a bottle with a few of them being fentanyl, that he did not know it contain that, why would someone knowingly mix there pills ,how would he know which pill was fentanyl,which has me believeing he was slipped this by someone close to him, because not many even knew he was taking pills. someone wanted him dead.

Exactly, not to mention that the amount of fentanyl in 'one single pill' was enough to kill anyone. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that.

laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said: Read what it stated, no controlled substance and yes. People offer my 5 to 7 bucks per xansx pill all the time

Then what did Dr. S prescribe? Sugar Pills ??? The first articles mentions no pain meds this controlled substances comment came later. The warrent obtained information about those test and those meds if they were not pain meds the police are not really interested in them.

According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were for.

They listed what they found in his system if he went to Walgreen to fill Dr. S Rx why would he not have taken them and what is the big deal about Xanax and anti-seziure meds.

Xanax is a benzo and you best believe police , DEA are very interested in them It can be far more deadly as it suppresses yoru Central nervous System A dr can onl;y approve it for 8 weeks use at a time and once again they will not prescribe over 2 weeks at any giving time with no automatic refill..