rogifan said:

funksterr said:

Y'all forgot about LoveEcstacy in 1988. Kinda says it all in terms of whether Prince fux with drugs recreationaly. Also the Purple Prowler rumour from a.m.p. at a known drug house. "I am open to all experiences" when asked does he fux with da drugs. "I HAVE BEEN TRANSFORMED" after the plane OD. I think it's plausible that he dabbled with pills over the years.

That I have been transformed tweet was not something Prince said, he was tweeting something a concert goer said after a P&M show. If you go through his Twitter feed you'll see he (or whomever was posting from his account) wasn't proficient on how to re-tweet stuff. They'd just copy somebody's comments into a new tweet which made it look like it was his tweet. And as much as people might be grasping at straws with all the foul play stuff I'd say the same for those suggesting he was a recreational user.

I'm glad you pointed this out. That tweet keeps getting brought up in the wrong context and attributed to Prince, even the media has done it.

MMJas said:

Too many questions.
I really think people are gonna start talking.

Imho people need to start talking.

In one way I respect the idea about the family having right to privacy etc.

But really in another way, we are talking about a major public figure, a person that was extremly important and relevant wthin contemporary music/culture.

People want to know what happened,want to make sure there was not foul play, the only way for that clarity is for people to start talking.

Because

Somehow somehow it really seems like there is something amiss in all this.

There is too many questioins and somehow too much silence.

There must be people who knew things, knew enough about what was going on that can shed light on some things.

Has Will Smith even said what they talked about.

Why is everyone so damn quiet. What Kirk saying ?

Like why is it we hear this news about the clothes on backwards coming 4 months after the event ?

Now we hear there was bottle of pills labelled under a different name but containing Fetanyl.

We hear he had enough Fetanyl in his system to drop anyone ?

Amidst all that , no one's talking.

Cmon .

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funksterr said:

Y'all forgot about LoveEcstacy in 1988. Kinda says it all in terms of whether Prince fux with drugs recreationaly. Also the Purple Prowler rumour from a.m.p. at a known drug house. "I am open to all experiences" when asked does he fux with da drugs. "I HAVE BEEN TRANSFORMED" after the plane OD. I think it's plausible that he dabbled with pills over the years.

it's been said before and here it is again: this phrase is something


he RETWEETED FROM SOMEONE ELSE ON TWITTER. (not shouting at you, just making the letters really large)


he did not use that phrase to describe himself, he retweeted the words of a fan who posted that after seeing him in atlanta

[Edited 8/23/16 6:25am]

slowlywiltingflower said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

rogifan said:

funksterr said: That I have been transformed tweet was not something Prince said, he was tweeting something a concert goer said after a P&M show. If you go through his Twitter feed you'll see he (or whomever was posting from his account) wasn't proficient on how to re-tweet stuff. They'd just copy somebody's comments into a new tweet which made it look like it was his tweet. And as much as people might be grasping at straws with all the foul play stuff I'd say the same for those suggesting he was a recreational user.

I'm glad you pointed this out. That tweet keeps getting brought up in the wrong context and attributed to Prince, even the media has done it.

oh. there it is. carry on

it matters that we credit the right person with these words because people have been using this phrase to show he was ready to die, to show he was high as a kite.... etc.

slowlywiltingflower said:

XxAxX said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

I'm glad you pointed this out. That tweet keeps getting brought up in the wrong context and attributed to Prince, even the media has done it.

oh. there it is. carry on

it matters that we credit the right person with these words because people have been using this phrase to show he was ready to die, to show he was high as a kite.... etc.

Exactly.

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And I'm glad you posted what you did as well, because the more posts there are trying to clear up this error in attribution regarding that Tweet perhaps will increase awareness and decrease misunderstanding about where it originated.

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

I'm glad you pointed this out. That tweet keeps getting brought up in the wrong context and attributed to Prince, even the media has done it.

I know my Twitter and Prince did not know how to properly retweet.

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I've never been on Twitter (well,I had an account for about 2 seconds once but never really used it...) and I am not well versed about the ins and out of it, and so would frequently get mixed up and confused reading thru P's tweets trying to figure out what was HIM, what was a retweet, what was an @, etc (especially if there were a few '@'s in a row)! haha I'm an oldster, I don't understand the Twitter

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

I agree with everything you said.

Look at photos, videos etc. from the Musicology era up until the big 'fro and where he was wearing less makeup and he looks basically the same. I remember when he went on the View in late 2010 (or maybe it was early 2011) and Barbara Walters commented on how wonderful he looked. It wasn't really until 2015-16 that there was a noticible change in appearance. Does anyone know...was Kim Berry his hair stylist up until the very end. I know she joined him around Diamonds and Pearls and I remember reading an interview where she talked about him wanting to go more natural with the 'fro. I wonder if she was still working with him in 2016.

I don't know for sure...but it seems like I remember reading somewhere that in the last year or so Prince was doing his own hair and makeup.

slowlywiltingflower said:

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

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I've never been on Twitter (well,I had an account for about 2 seconds once but never really used it...) and I am not well versed about the ins and out of it, and so would frequently get mixed up and confused reading thru P's tweets trying to figure out what was HIM, what was a retweet, what was an @, etc (especially if there were a few '@'s in a row)! haha I'm an oldster, I don't understand the Twitter

It's funny because I don't find Twitter confusing at all yet I know so many people that don't get how to use it.

There should be a TwitterEZ or Twitter-Lite version for those of us that fall into that "WTH how do I use this? What does that mean??" group

rogifan said:

LakeMinnetonkaPurified said:

I don't think we should take too much from the family not saying much if the investigation is ongoing. Same for Kirk/Meron. It's a bit late but a proper press release to say there will be a further detailed statement from the family once the investigation is complete would've been a good idea. But playing shoulda woulda coulda is pointless isn't it.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

dr drew seemed to think that he either sucked on the patches or took a syringe to them. It sounds like he may not have used fentanyl regularly, first because of the od and then because of his death. Still don't get the carelessness not to mention the illicit use of drugs. You'd think with his attitude towards illegal drugs he would have at least went through the trouble of doctor shopping.

--- Dr Drew is an asshat. The ME is saying he was not a user of Fentynal. The can tell from the test the ME ran. That is why they are saying it was accidental and if their is a criminal case the whole case will hinge on that. I think Prince had an Rx at one time got cut off and then decided he would get it from the streets. I don't think people realize that if was in pain getting off the meds will not make your pain go away. Would he have been able to work? Plus he had heart meds and anti-seziures meds. He was not a well man.

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said: --- Dr Drew is an asshat. The ME is saying he was not a user of Fentynal. The can tell from the test the ME ran. That is why they are saying it was accidental and if their is a criminal case the whole case will hinge on that. I think Prince had an Rx at one time got cut off and then decided he would get it from the streets. I don't think people realize that if was in pain getting off the meds will not make your pain go away. Would he have been able to work? Plus he had heart meds and anti-seziures meds. He was not a well man.

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

Jessica55 said:

Why did it take 4 months to figure this out? It doesn't seem it would take that long to test the pills they confiscated in April.

That's probably not the reason for the delay. I think it's because investigators are building a case agains the supplier(s) and want to make it strong enough to prosecute.

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said: --- Dr Drew is an asshat. The ME is saying he was not a user of Fentynal. The can tell from the test the ME ran. That is why they are saying it was accidental and if their is a criminal case the whole case will hinge on that. I think Prince had an Rx at one time got cut off and then decided he would get it from the streets. I don't think people realize that if was in pain getting off the meds will not make your pain go away. Would he have been able to work? Plus he had heart meds and anti-seziures meds. He was not a well man.

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

It is dishearting that you can't keep up with what is going on.

They said his doctor wrote Rxs for him on the 20th and these were not pain meds.

Don't you think if this unnamed source is saying that he had Xanax and Anti-Seizure meds in his system that he might of had an Rx for those?

He was seeing DR. S for something and doctors don't run test for grins and giggles. DR. S was not a pain management doctor so maybe P was seeing him for other issues.

The pill bottles were marked vitamin C and had the fake Hoxydone in them and the found the oxy with someone else's name on it.

However 20 different pills bottles does not mean 20 different types of pills. We all know he was dependent on pain pills and it would appear to be the Hodrycone as will don't know what he OD on board the plane but we know it was not Fentanyl.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

welp

GimmeThat said:

Anemia and a low white cell count are not all that unusual. Vegetarians frequently have anemia and B12 deficiencies due to diet. A B12 deficiency can lead to a low white bllod cell count. I'm just sad that he's gone

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

I can't speak for everyone but, no, I myself I don't consider that a realistic possibility at all. The simplest explanation is ususally the correct one and, to my mind, 95% of the puzzle is solved. The other 5% piece is figuring out who scored the counterfeit pills.

AnnaStesia91 said:

laurarichardson said:

lwr001 said:

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

It is dishearting that you can't keep up with what is going on.

They said his doctor wrote Rxs for him on the 20th and these were not pain meds.

Don't you think if this unnamed source is saying that he had Xanax and Anti-Seizure meds in his system that he might of had an Rx for those?

He was seeing DR. S for something and doctors don't run test for grins and giggles. DR. S was not a pain management doctor so maybe P was seeing him for other issues.

The pill bottles were marked vitamin C and had the fake Hoxydone in them and the found the oxy with someone else's name on it.

However 20 different pills bottles does not mean 20 different types of pills. We all know he was dependent on pain pills and it would appear to be the Hodrycone as will don't know what he OD on board the plane but we know it was not Fentanyl.

..Xanax is a controlled substance i take xanax,, its presecribed no more than two weeks at a time..everytime i need to refill it, i have to call the doctor whom since its a controlled substance has to fax or call it in to pharmacy..no way around it as its regulated by DEA..They authorities have said no scripts were written in Princes name for the 12 months prior to his death If he was on xanax from a dr, he'd have one

[Edited 8/23/16 7:35am]

Mkilpatrick74 said:

GimmeThat said:

Anemia and a low white cell count are not all that unusual. Vegetarians frequently have anemia and B12 deficiencies due to diet. A B12 deficiency can lead to a low white bllod cell count. I'm just sad that he's gone

Whoever posted a message from synergy earlier said his band mates said his white blood count was very high.

Right about anemia , I am myself. Stay freezing cold all the time (likely why we saw him dressed in so many layers) and generally don't feel well at times.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

This is a possible. I am not sure why people are so sure that something shady was not going on. I mean he had illegal pills somewhere in the food chain he was dealing with shady people if not directly then indirectly. You even have Mani calling people vultures and leeches. Who are the vultrues and leeches?

I am not sure I believe that he would have pills lying out in his duffel bag or so easily found in a search. Someone could have called the cops on him at anytime especially after the Moline incident so why have the stuff out. Still think it is weird his family did not clean up the place. It was weeks later when the police went in with a search warrant to Paisley Park. The backwards clothes and putting on a cap if you feeling sick and running to get help is weird as well. Even the Hyodrone is weird if it is really Codiene and Tylenol seem he could have just taken Tylenol and cold meds. Sipping on syrup like they do down south. It can kill you but you are not breaking the law drinking a bottle of cough meds.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

out of respect for prince, i'm trying hard NOT to consider that.

i'm having a hard time embracing the 'prince was deliberately murdered in a hit-style attack'. on the other hand, quite a few people were benefiting from his generosity. he was vulnerable in the best kind of way, insofar as he was known to lend a helping hand.

warner brothers has a $hit ton to gain from prince's passing. TMZ was absolutely harassing him before his death.

however, in my lurid mind's eye lurks this scenario that maybe prince wasn't alone that night, but was with someone when he suffered a seizure...?

this is PURE SPECULATION from the imagination of someone who watches way too many scary movies:

we all keep saying how we would never have left prince alone, how it's impossible that no one was concerned enough to be there for him. well, maybe the obvious is true. maybe he wasn't alone.

imagine, it would sure as heck be awkward explaining one's presence when a superstar ODs on something fatal righjt in front of you, especially if you provided the dose and/or knew who did.... god what a sad thought. i apologize for letting my mind run on this way.

but could he have been with someone trying to help him make it until the morning when help would arrive? maybe he called an old or new friend over. he was known to call people in the middle of the night and ask them to come over.....

what if someone was with him? dressed him in a hurry and tried to get him downstairs to the car, all while protecting his privacy and avoiding 911??

i apologize again for sharing this fetid little blast of imagination with you. but since you mentioned it, this is what i see as maybe having happened, assuming that foul play is involved.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

not a user of fentynal,, they didnt say he wasnt a long term user of vicdon, percs and or zanax which would kill you as well...They stated 20 differnt pill cases, pills in advil and vitamins...Further, people under doctors care who are terminal get meds.. Its disheartening to hear people who wont even consider the remote possibilty that he did indeed have a drug dependency and it caused his death

Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

I don't know what to believe but I think this is a valid option, don't see why people think it's so impossible. Guessing that someone switched pills & set him up does not indicate a wild imagination, it's very possible. Stuff like this happens in reality!

Have read most of both threads. Everytime a new piece of information has come out, I've had to try and reconcile it. Now that the immediate shock of this is wearing off a bit, this is how I'm thinking about this:

P saw what happened to Michael Jackson. People are on record as saying he was deeply shaken by that. If he started having serious pain issues he might not have trusted a Doctor to prescribe for him fearing going down that route/someone else controlling his health and state of mind. Also vaguely remember hearing that he did not trust doctors re: Mayte's pregnancy (though I can't find a source for that so it might have just been speculation).

I gather that pretty much anything is available on the darkweb. P was always at the forefront of online technology. I suspect he would have known how to access the darkweb and self medicate. Being someone who was curious and intelligent and wanted to make himself knowledgeable on topics he was interested in, it is not outside the realms of possibility to me that he might have found out how much of what he should take and self medicated.

The problem with my reasoning/thinking here is the alternative explanations: he was shaken by MJ's death bc was also addicted to painkillers at that point and he was frightened he might be following the same path. Despite all our speculation, no one is on record as having been told by P he was in pain or had any other underlying conditions (in fact quite the opposite - even Judith Hill says she had no idea he was in pain and he never told her he was). Yet Judith was apparently instrumental in getting him hooked up with Kornfield the addiction specialist, who he agreed to see. So why pretend you're not in pain yet agree to see an addiction specialist?

The simplest explanation - and the one I wish the most wasn't true - is probably that P got addicted to painkillers after his hip surgery, couldn't get off them, and resorted to blackmarket drugs. Makes me sad but there we are. Up until now I wanted to believe he was prescribed the pain meds he died from for an underlying condition (like cancer), but now it seems the meds were not prescribed. They were also purposefully disguised, and as much as I hate to admit, that is addict behaviour. Despite the obvious changes in his body since 2014 it seems unlikely now to me that he was taking these meds for a condition like cancer, bc if he did have cancer, why has no one come out and said that?

This is where my thoughts are at right now but new information if/when it drops will probably change my mind yet again... hope I will be proven wrong

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