About the time of the original family memorial - Saturday? - I thought I read one of the half-brothers had never been to PP so he was given an escorted tour. I honestly don't think people would have been allowed to roam the building without escort since they didn't OWN the building and an unexpected death occurred on the premises. That would be like opening the doors to strangers. I know it sounds unbelievable - the drugs, the clothing, being left alone, etc. - but maybe, just maybe, there was no foul play at all. I would like to know what time he spoke with Will Smith (or anyone else), was there any activity on his computer(s) after he got back to PP, where his shoes were found, did it look like he went into the bathroom to wash up, brush his teeth or shower, where did he leave his housekeys ... all of the normal things people do when they get home (except for calling a movie star). Did he have a housekeeper? Was his bed made or had it been turned down for the night or was it unmade for a day or days? What lights were on? Little things.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

yeah Prince looks so AT EASE during the interview afterwards. Jeezzz!!! Can't be nerves, must've been his cocksure defiance

LOL

--- Do you realize this story was in Dez Dickerson's book from about a decade ago. He wrote it because he wanted to tell the real story about the begining of Prince's career from a band member who was around at the begining. No reason for Dez Dickerson to lie the whole book is filled with stories about Prince playing practical jokes on people and cutting up all the time. Morris Day has that he joked around all the time and so has Sheile E. You guys are willing to pull something out of tabloid over what people who knew him his whole life has to say. In addition, if you look at the Band clip I see cockiness I don't see a person having a meltdown. I am starting to wonder what is the real reason you are posting. [Edited 8/24/16 3:09am]

Dez wasn't lying. That is what P told him. But I believe P said it because he knew ahead of time he'd be scared to death to be interviewed...in front of millions by Dick Clarke. P knew of his social dilemma so it was a brilliant move on his part to give those instructions to Dez. That way no one would speak and they'd all look like it was planned. P would come out not looking like he couldn't get his words out, but it ended up looking like that anyway. I don't say this to come against P. I completely understand how a phobia can paralyze you. It's an internal thing. I don't see cockiness, I see his heart beating out of his chest in that interview.

laurarichardson said:

Eileen said:

MMJas, I hope you don't mind me trying to tackle your query.

If you are talking about his staff at the death scene cleaning up, they were in the presence of a third party witness, the Kornfeld son, who had just called 911 and all knew police and paramedics would be at the scene in minutes. Attempting to clean up in those few minutes would lead only to an arrest (if they could even think about such a thing upon the shock of finding the body).

If you are talking about cleaning up at some point after police and paramedics had arrived - that would not have been possible either as police were in charge of the scene at that point and conducting a formal search. Again, interference would have simply lead to an arrest. And they would have been busy anyway answering police questions and/or calling attorneys. And when the search was done there wasn't much left to clean up - law enforcement had the drugs in hand as well as available security footage. LE may even have scanned the footage before removing it and seen exactly what had happened before ending the search that day. Staff were likely also warned about proper conduct by police and attorney(s), and their rights to enter the property, whatever they were, had now changed because Prince was no longer their employer/in charge. There may even have been crime scene tape left behind to secure certain areas and keep them off limits, for instance to those at the initial memorial.

If you are talking about cleaning up prior to that, while Prince was alive - just breaking into his private areas and pawing through, taking things... that doesn't sound reasonable imo for anyone who wanted to remain employed for even one more day (unless they planned to also take up blackmail and rack up more reasons for future prison time). And again, there were security cameras and who knows what other protections for such things.

-- My understanding this was not considered a crime scence until that search was executed in early May. The police do not come to a death scence with a search warrant in hand. At that point they have no idea what is going on. There was time after the police left and time up to the memorial. The facilty had people coming and going from the 21st up until Bremmer took over and secured the building. If you do not think people go thru personal stuff at a death scene I do not what to tell you locks are made for thieves.

When police filed the initial warrant in the first week they again confirmed to the press that they had conducted a search on April 21st, as was stated clearly in the article I linked in my earlier reply to you (Reply #407).

"...the search warrant was for the Paisley Park compound, where Prince also had a recording studio. In an email
to Reuters, Kamerud said the search had been conducted on April 21, the day Prince's body was found."

I believe that report and the countless others which mention that search. If you don't believe it, that's not an argument to have with me.

The same day as that filing (at the end of the first week, still in April) the Star Tribune reported that the investigation was a "criminal probe" and stated that police had used such language in their report to justify suppression of certain data from the public. The jargon parsing to determine whether or not that makes it a crime scene is for someone else to debate. I'm comfortable speculating that police made their expectations clear to all intimates as to the potential consequences of removing evidence during that period.

That said, once police were gone people may well have invaded that scene, evaded whatever security there was, done who knows what. Maybe Dixon was there, I don't know. But police had already conducted their initial search, taken the security footage (they told the press), found enough drugs to justify sealing the warrant, and there were numerous mentions (and some leaks) of all that in the press by the end of the first week.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said: Who said he did not have a problem with meds. Does that make third degree murder okay because that is what whoever gave him those drugs is looking at. Still a crime.

You missed my point. The other person said the death was mysterious. It's not. And there may not have been a crime. Where is the intent? You are wildly speculating because you are in denial that Prince took these counterfeit pills of his own choice. He was reckless.

it's not mysterious to you, and that's ok. It's myterious to me and many others. A guy who's whole image was control, discipline, clean living, a guy who was often pretty harsh with others for using anything, a guy who could function at that high a level and never let the mask slip, it's mysterious. Not to mention backwards clothes, living out the words to Let's Go Crazy like a fulfilled prophecy, it's strange. I go with logic before anything but even logic tells me it's strange. Just like Bruce and Brandon Lee's deaths, the shit is bizarre, i won't jump to conspiracy conclusions but I won't deny the obvious either, it's mysterious.

Menes said:

purplerabbithole said:

When was the last show you went to?

I saw the face in the ATL show. Look at it. Desolation?

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I don't know what people are talking about backstage but I was up front in both ATL shows and he looked fine...a little tired at the end of the 2nd one but that's it.

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

Dez had also said that in the green room he told everyone he was going to give Dick a hard time. He made it clear he did not care for Dick Clark before they got out on the stage. He does not look nevous he had that arrogant fuck you face on. Even Alan Leeds has said Prince showed people the side he wanted to show you. You almost never got the real persona.

What does going to 16 concerts have to do with the price of peas?

My close encounters with Prince, he seemed normal...backstage at RNRHOF, i witnessed 3 feet from me, Prince, Michael, Jermaine, george clinton, mavis and barry Gibb in an animated , very funny conversation,.. seemed perfectly normal to me.. At Nellsin NYC when sister was at DefJam ,he and Veronica Webb where there whom my sis is good friends with ,.,..she chatted a bit with them both , nothing out of the ordinary...Granted this was in the 90's

[Edited 8/24/16 5:38am]

i'll add Prince sent sister a thnak you card as she use to send him rough copies of the Def Comedy Jam while he was on tour..he then sent her a rough of Sexy MF and a card that thanked her and signed it, keep shaking that ass, Prince

wisdom7 said:

laurarichardson said:

wisdom7 said:

Getting rid of illegal pills...isn't that a crime?

-- Having them was crime as well.

I'd like to offer an explanation as to the alleged "bag of pills" that P had on the flight back from Atlanta. If what has been reported is true, meds were in aspirin bottles... Vit. C bottles, ect. We don't know how many bottles there were, if only a few, at first glance, no one would really give it much attention. Mega star... clean living.... out of character...

That might be why Police were not involved, no red flag about OTC meds. Also, we don't know what P disclosed to the ER DR or the EMT's and they aren't talking due to HIPPA. For all we know, he could have told them he was recovering from the flu and was just very weak. We also do not know for a fact that he was given Narcan.

Neither are the 2 associates that were on that flight, allbeit that JH did give a statement.....is it logical, is it believable? The incident with the flight happened on the 15th. Why WHY if JH was so horrified, and KJ being present during the serious incident did it take 5 days to get help?? And that help was a call to a former Attorney @ 6am on the 20th?

I believe that when the case is solved the responsible party(s) will be a shock to all. Sometimes you have to start with the least likely scenario and work your way to the most likely to get to the truth. You would be amazed at what you will discover when you open your mind.

"A honest enemy is better than a friend who lies"

Sorry I picked up the wrong reply. I was responding to Reply#499

[Edited 8/24/16 8:53am]

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

wisdom7 said: -- Having them was crime as well.

I'd like to offer an explanation as to the alleged "bag of pills" that P had on the flight back from Atlanta. If what has been reported is true, meds were in aspirin bottles... Vit. C bottles, ect. We don't know how many bottles there were, if only a few, at first glance, no one would really give it much attention. Mega star... clean living.... out of character...

That might be why Police were not involved, no red flag about OTC meds. Also, we don't know what P disclosed to the ER DR or the EMT's and they aren't talking due to HIPPA. For all we know, he could have told them he was recovering from the flu and was just very weak. We also do not know for a fact that he was given Narcan.

Neither are the 2 associates that were on that flight, allbeit that JH did give a statement.....is it logical, is it believable? The incident with the flight happened on the 15th. Why WHY if JH was so horrified, and KJ being present during the serious incident did it take 5 days to get help?? And that help was a call to a former Attorney @ 6am on the 20th?

I believe that when the case is solved the responsible party(s) will be a shock to all. Sometimes you have to start with the least likely scenario and work your way to the most likely to get to the truth. You would be amazed at what you will discover when you open your mind.

"A honest enemy is better than a friend who lies"

Sorry I picked up the wrong reply. I was responding to Reply#499

[Edited 8/24/16 8:53am]

Are you saying this is ongoing case? If so by whom?

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

wisdom7 said: -- Having them was crime as well.

I'd like to offer an explanation as to the alleged "bag of pills" that P had on the flight back from Atlanta. If what has been reported is true, meds were in aspirin bottles... Vit. C bottles, ect. We don't know how many bottles there were, if only a few, at first glance, no one would really give it much attention. Mega star... clean living.... out of character...

That might be why Police were not involved, no red flag about OTC meds. Also, we don't know what P disclosed to the ER DR or the EMT's and they aren't talking due to HIPPA. For all we know, he could have told them he was recovering from the flu and was just very weak. We also do not know for a fact that he was given Narcan.

Neither are the 2 associates that were on that flight, allbeit that JH did give a statement.....is it logical, is it believable? The incident with the flight happened on the 15th. Why WHY if JH was so horrified, and KJ being present during the serious incident did it take 5 days to get help?? And that help was a call to a former Attorney @ 6am on the 20th?

I believe that when the case is solved the responsible party(s) will be a shock to all. Sometimes you have to start with the least likely scenario and work your way to the most likely to get to the truth. You would be amazed at what you will discover when you open your mind.

"A honest enemy is better than a friend who lies"

Sorry I picked up the wrong reply. I was responding to Reply#499

[Edited 8/24/16 8:53am]

Are you saying this is ongoing case? If so by whom?

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

this is what prince said about the dick clark interview, which is exactley what i said before laura richardson told me i needed to do my research because i am new to this site. not new to prince, have almost every album and was lucky enough to have been to 16 concerts over the years.....

PRINCE (Star Tribune interview, 1980): That tripped me out when Dick Clark asked how I come from Minneapolis, of all places. That really gave me an attitude. TV personalities are hard to talk to. They come out of certain bags. Music is music. A place is a place.

Dez had also said that in the green room he told everyone he was going to give Dick a hard time. He made it clear he did not care for Dick Clark before they got out on the stage. He does not look nevous he had that arrogant fuck you face on. Even Alan Leeds has said Prince showed people the side he wanted to show you. You almost never got the real persona.

What does going to 16 concerts have to do with the price of peas?

My close encounters with Prince, he seemed normal...backstage at RNRHOF, i witnessed 3 feet from me, Prince, Michael, Jermaine, george clinton, mavis and barry Gibb in an animated , very funny conversation,.. seemed perfectly normal to me.. At Nellsin NYC when sister was at DefJam ,he and Veronica Webb where there whom my sis is good friends with ,.,..she chatted a bit with them both , nothing out of the ordinary...Granted this was in the 90's

[Edited 8/24/16 5:38am]

SheLovesMeNot said:

lwr001 said:

My close encounters with Prince, he seemed normal...backstage at RNRHOF, i witnessed 3 feet from me, Prince, Michael, Jermaine, george clinton, mavis and barry Gibb in an animated , very funny conversation,.. seemed perfectly normal to me.. At Nellsin NYC when sister was at DefJam ,he and Veronica Webb where there whom my sis is good friends with ,.,..she chatted a bit with them both , nothing out of the ordinary...Granted this was in the 90's

[Edited 8/24/16 5:38am]

Same experience I had with Prince. I was backstage at 3121 Vegas and he was so normal cool and relaxed just standing around in normal conversation.

But....but....but how could any of that be possible? Relaxed? Shouldn't he have been popping all kinds of pills during these times to counteract the horrible uncontrollable stage fright he has every time he gets on stage? Some people will believe anything they read lol, the fact that stage fright is even being discussed is astounding. But hey, see it in print, it must be true right? Heck, the news is making paisley park out to look like some kind of meth lab, pills everywhere, bottles everywhere, bottles in his pockets, clearly he couldn't even walk from one room to the next without back up pills actually on his person. It's amazing how quickly folks take what is dished out to them in the media as fact without any question at all. Nobody wants to think for themselves anymore, instead letting info from shady media organizations with suspect agendas to do the thinking for them.

SheLovesMeNot said:

lwr001 said:

My close encounters with Prince, he seemed normal...backstage at RNRHOF, i witnessed 3 feet from me, Prince, Michael, Jermaine, george clinton, mavis and barry Gibb in an animated , very funny conversation,.. seemed perfectly normal to me.. At Nellsin NYC when sister was at DefJam ,he and Veronica Webb where there whom my sis is good friends with ,.,..she chatted a bit with them both , nothing out of the ordinary...Granted this was in the 90's

[Edited 8/24/16 5:38am]

Same experience I had with Prince. I was backstage at 3121 Vegas and he was so normal cool and relaxed just standing around in normal conversation.

But....but....but how could any of that be possible? Relaxed? Shouldn't he have been popping all kinds of pills during these times to counteract the horrible uncontrollable stage fright he has every time he gets on stage? Some people will believe anything they read lol, the fact that stage fright is even being discussed is astounding. But hey, see it in print, it must be true right? Heck, the news is making paisley park out to look like some kind of meth lab, pills everywhere, bottles everywhere, bottles in his pockets, clearly he couldn't even walk from one room to the next without back up pills actually on his person. It's amazing how quickly folks take what is dished out to them in the media as fact without any question at all. Nobody wants to think for themselves anymore, instead letting info from shady media organizations with suspect agendas to do the thinking for them.

SheLovesMeNot said:

Astasheiks said:

Are you saying this is ongoing case? If so by whom?

Of course it is...even more now that Fentanyl was discovered. Prince did not intentionally ingest that drug...days prior to his death he was at emergency room and no Fentanyl was involved then days later he dies of Fentanyl overdose?!

The part that's confusing for me is if he did not OD on Fentanyl on the plane, what did he OD on or was it an OD at all? I know that some people believe that he had a seizure on the plane, which is totally possible, but then he dies from Fentanyl a few days later!? Mind boggling.