I think it might have been impossible for Prince to listen to his body. Having pain and being tired were serious warnings of the body, to tell him to slow down. Signals he ignored. I wish he'd spent more time in his life sleeping.

PeteSilas said:

Superconductor said:

You missed my point. The other person said the death was mysterious. It's not. And there may not have been a crime. Where is the intent? You are wildly speculating because you are in denial that Prince took these counterfeit pills of his own choice. He was reckless.

it's not mysterious to you, and that's ok. It's myterious to me and many others. A guy who's whole image was control, discipline, clean living, a guy who was often pretty harsh with others for using anything, a guy who could function at that high a level and never let the mask slip, it's mysterious. Not to mention backwards clothes, living out the words to Let's Go Crazy like a fulfilled prophecy, it's strange. I go with logic before anything but even logic tells me it's strange. Just like Bruce and Brandon Lee's deaths, the shit is bizarre, i won't jump to conspiracy conclusions but I won't deny the obvious either, it's mysterious.

Yeah I get that it might look bizarre especially given Prince's public persona and image BUT it is not mysterious.

Mysterious means there is no explanation, but there is a plausible explanation for Prince's death just as there is a plausible explanation for Bruce Lee's death.

The moment you take facts and attach subterfuge and irrational meaning to it you create the mystery in your head.

But the facts are the facts.

Bruce Lee died from acute cerebral edema, Prince died from an overdose of counterfeit prescription painkillers.

Superconductor said:

PeteSilas said:

it's not mysterious to you, and that's ok. It's myterious to me and many others. A guy who's whole image was control, discipline, clean living, a guy who was often pretty harsh with others for using anything, a guy who could function at that high a level and never let the mask slip, it's mysterious. Not to mention backwards clothes, living out the words to Let's Go Crazy like a fulfilled prophecy, it's strange. I go with logic before anything but even logic tells me it's strange. Just like Bruce and Brandon Lee's deaths, the shit is bizarre, i won't jump to conspiracy conclusions but I won't deny the obvious either, it's mysterious.

Yeah I get that it might look bizarre especially given Prince's public persona and image BUT it is not mysterious.

Mysterious means there is no explanation, but there is a plausible explanation for Prince's death just as there is a plausible explanation for Bruce Lee's death.

The moment you take facts and attach subterfuge and irrational meaning to it you create the mystery in your head.

But the facts are the facts.

Bruce Lee died from acute cerebral edema, Prince died from an overdose of counterfeit prescription painkillers.

bruce died from an edema from either an allergic reaction to equagesic or to cannibis, either way, that's about one of the stranger ways for a guy to die, and don't get me started on his son. You could probably count the people who died from guns on moviesets on one hand in the whole history of moviemaking, and you probably wouldn't go past 3. that, to me, is a strange way to die. that's like saying i choked on a chunk of jello and died, possible yes but very unlikely. those things feed the mystery, result is, in bruce's case, people still conjecture whether bruce was murdered or cursed or poisoned. In his case, it took a couple decades before some doctors went on the record to say they'd already saved bruce once, and that they believe he did the same thing, ate cannabis.

BobGeorge909 said:

PeteSilas said:

Superconductor said:

Yeah I get that it might look bizarre especially given Prince's public persona and image BUT it is not mysterious.

Mysterious means there is no explanation, but there is a plausible explanation for Prince's death just as there is a plausible explanation for Bruce Lee's death.

The moment you take facts and attach subterfuge and irrational meaning to it you create the mystery in your head.

But the facts are the facts.

Bruce Lee died from acute cerebral edema, Prince died from an overdose of counterfeit prescription painkillers.

bruce died from an edema from either an allergic reaction to equagesic or to cannibis, either way, that's about one of the stranger ways for a guy to die, and don't get me started on his son. You could probably count the people who died from guns on moviesets on one hand in the whole history of moviemaking, and you probably wouldn't go past 3. that, to me, is a strange way to die. that's like saying i choked on a chunk of jello and died, possible yes but very unlikely. those things feed the mystery, result is, in bruce's case, people still conjecture whether bruce was murdered or cursed or poisoned. In his case, it took a couple decades before some doctors went on the record to say they'd already saved bruce once, and that they believe he did the same thing, ate cannabis.

Yeah that's all still pretty rational explanation though compared to the cray cray stuff written in this thread!!

wisdom7 said:

Menes said:

So, physical dependence vs.addiction... is that the argument now? From what I have read, physical dependence is predictable, managed with medication and ultimatley resolved with a slow taper off.

Addiction is abnormal and classified as a disease. Addiction is primary condition manifesting as uncontrollable cravings, inability to control drug use, compulsive drug use, and use despite doing harm to oneself, or others.

Who on this forum can convince me that in the case of Prince, this was physical dependence? How do we explain how "predictable" it was , or, how "manageable" it was, when we know it was illicit ? He was not under a doctors care, and according to published reports, did not have a prescription for anything that was found ! You can't manage an individual who is self medicating!

Right. I think one of the issues here is the thing with cravings. There are some drugs that people are dependent on and if they don't take them there will be no cravings for the drug, but they will get very ill, like insulin for example, b/c those drugs are not psychoactive. However, in the case of opiates, which are psychoactive to a greater or lesser degree, and do produce cravings, then this question of trying to parse dependency from addiction becomes complicated. The difference between 'managed with medication' and 'uncontrollable cravings/inability to control drug use' is largely an issue of supply and how well the condition is being managed. If you are addicted/dependent on opiates and have a regular safe supply which is being well managed and regulated by a doctor, you might not have any trouble. But if that supply becomes irregular, or you find you need to take more/are taking more than you are supplied with, and your doctor won't give you what your body is telling you you need, and you start having to deal with withdrawal, then you will get cravings. Does at that point a dependency become an addiction...because what's going on in your body hasn't really changed, what has changed is the fact that you can no longer safely obtain what your body is demanding. All I've been saying is, a street heroin addict has a physical dependence, and so does someone who is dependent on prescription pain killers. The behavior around that dependence might be different, and so might the reason how that dependence developed, but both people need to continue taking the drug otherwsie they will get cravings. In that sense both are addicted. If ppl refuse to understand that P was addicted in that sense, then it becomes very hard to understand why such an intellegent and otherwsie controlled man would do something so dangerous as to take pills that came from a supply he couldn't know was safe, and wasn't safe. There are serious questions still unanswered about how it was that he came to be in a position that he needed to take more opiates than he could obtain from controlled channels. The fact he had no scripts in MN for the 12 months before suggests he wasn't even trying. So at some point it seems what most likely began as a dependence/addiction on prescribed medication became something which involved the need to acquire that medication from unregulated channels, how and why exactly that happened is a question, but unless we accept that that is what happened, the whole situation does become baffling, and we need to start looking for other pieces of the puzzle in order to explain something which is most simply explained by the fact that he had an addiction/dependency on opiates.

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

-- They are reading it the correct way. The media tried to make him out to be some rock star druggie and pull down his character. Now everyone is starting to see the real picture about pain meds and addiction. Prince was openly against drugs if you do not see him being painted as a druggie by the media as a problem you are missing something. It can help a lot of people in pain if these fake pills get taken off the streets and if we start look at other ways to manage pain. I mean people who sprain ankles are being Fentynal!! Does that really seem okay.

Wow. Just wow. #1 you do not know if Prince was a drug addict. Several people (like Sheila E) have stated he'd been in pain for years. #2 it is this type of ignorance & mis-education/information that has led to millions of people being in constant, agonizing pain. Addiction does NOT = dependence or vice versa. They are completely different physiologically, psychologically, and pathologically. I am so tired of seeing people in constant pain b/c of this narrative. Last **medical** study I read found less 3% of chronic pain patients on opiate meds become addicted to opiates. They are necessary for these people to have any quality of life. It is no different than But the erroneous narrative you stated above is what started and continues to hinder chronic pain sufferers to needlessly suffer. Please educate yourself. What you've been told is a lie. Peace.

Deleted. Dupe.

[Edited 8/24/16 2:03am]

jayseajay said:

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said: Wow. Just wow. #1 you do not know if Prince was a drug addict. Several people (like Sheila E) have stated he'd been in pain for years. #2 it is this type of ignorance & mis-education/information that has led to millions of people being in constant, agonizing pain. Addiction does NOT = dependence or vice versa. They are completely different physiologically, psychologically, and pathologically. I am so tired of seeing people in constant pain b/c of this narrative. Last **medical** study I read found less 3% of chronic pain patients on opiate meds become addicted to opiates. They are necessary for these people to have any quality of life. It is no different than But the erroneous narrative you stated above is what started and continues to hinder chronic pain sufferers to needlessly suffer. Please educate yourself. What you've been told is a lie. Peace.

There is an epidemic of counterfeit opiate use in the US right now as a result of the over-prescriotion of opiate painkillers and the resulting addictions. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but this hasn't happened in other parts of the developed world b/c in other parts of the developed world they have never prescribed opiates for these types of conditions b/c they are addictive and they are only given in hospitals and in hospice care (which may or may not be at home). The idea that you can prescribe opiates and it not lead to all kinds of problems with addiction is one of the main reasons there is an epidemic in the US at the moment which is claiming hundreds and hundreds of lives, and claimed Prince's life. So, I'm not sure how this is being managed in other parts of the world, but the idea that there is no other way of doing it is frankly contradicted by the fact that it is being done differently everywhere else. That is, I'm not basing this on a lie, I'm basing it on the fact that I live outside the US (and one of the things I was shocked by when I lived in the US was that my friends would be prescribed Percocet for things you would never be given opiates for in Europe) and outside of the US this is viewed very differently and nobody ever tried to pretend that giving ppl opiates wasn't without serious risks.

There is a lot happening around opioids since Prince's death. It has been moving forward for several years, but resources are being moved into this area quickly and health systems picking up the pace.

The best news is that it isn't only about limiting access to opioids for chronic pain management, but finding ways to prevent addiction AND treat it safely. Think of the lives saved without abandoning patients in pain...

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/659501/?sc=dwhn

The findings, published in the Nature journal Neuropsychopharmacology in August, show for the first time that morphine tolerance is due to an inflammatory response produced in the brain. This brain inflammation is caused by the release of cytokines, chemical messengers in the body that trigger an immune response, similar to a viral infection...

Researchers’ results show blocking a particular cytokine eliminated morphine tolerance, and they were able to reduce the dose of morphine required to alleviate pain by half.

“These results have important clinical implications for the treatment of pain and also addiction,” said Lori Eidson, lead author and a graduate student in the laboratory of Dr. Anne Murphy in the Neuroscience Institute of Georgia State. “Until now, the precise underlying mechanism for opioid tolerance and its prevention have remained unknown.”

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

jayseajay said: -- You must be new. Prince told the whole band in the green room if Dick ask you a question do answer him. He was fucking with Dick Clark. This story came from Dez Dickenson. You and Daily Fail no nothing about P history.

yes i am new, thanks for the correction and the kind words

yeah Prince looks so AT EASE during the interview afterwards. Jeezzz!!! Can't be nerves, must've been his cocksure defiance

LOL

sad love you Prince :heart:

[Edited 8/24/16 2:59am]

fortuneandserendipity said:

jayseajay said:

wisdom7 said:

He loved music, his art. That's why he did the shows. Read articles about the beginning of his career. One of his managers, I can't recall the name, said Prince was so shy that the lights had to be turned out if anyone walked in while he was recording so they couldn't look at him. Also, he said that Prince sang so quietly that he could barely be heard. And then look at the American Bandstand interview (should still be on YouTube) that he did in 1979...he could barely talk when Dick Clark asked him questions...I could feel his pain. (I read too that Dez Dickerson said that was because Prince planned it that way...not to talk to Dick Clark,but I don't think so.) Prince was highly intelligent. He knew he had the phobia and wanted to be the best at his career and knew that if he was going to do that he'd have to deal with the phobia. His friend Pepe Willie asked him "what happened?" regarding the Dick Clark interview and Prince said he froze and said it would never happen again. I wonder if this is when he knew he'd have to get some "help" because he'd need to know how to deal with interviews.

Seriously no. He was the best showman on earth. Look at his face when he's doing it. Just look at the sheer joy. Look at how he can communicate that joy to thousands of people and get them to curl up in the palm of his hand. He was not doing that on sufferance. He was doing it because he loved it and he was incredible at it and he knew it. There are plenty of musicians who don't like being on stage, none of them perform anything like as often as P did. He played and played and played and played. If anything, he became addicted to pills because his true addiction was to performing and he needed to do what he needed to do to keep going. Yes, he was nervous when he was very young, and then he learned his craft and worked at it like a demon and became an absolute master of it. Nothing will ever convince me that the absolute esctasy that man could produce on stage was anything but the real deal.

Then you're not openminded, plain and simple. J S Bach and Beethoven were both copious coffee drinkers. Does that mean their music would have sounded any different or inferior if they had drunk no coffee? Quite possibly.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

yeah Prince looks so AT EASE during the interview afterwards. Jeezzz!!! Can't be nerves, must've been his cocksure defiance

LOL

--- Do you realize this story was in Dez Dickerson's book from about a decade ago. He wrote it because he wanted to tell the real story about the begining of Prince's career from a band member who was around at the begining. No reason for Dez Dickerson to lie the whole book is filled with stories about Prince playing practical jokes on people and cutting up all the time. Morris Day has that he joked around all the time and so has Sheile E. You guys are willing to pull something out of tabloid over what people who knew him his whole life has to say. In addition, if you look at the Band clip I see cockiness I don't see a person having a meltdown. I am starting to wonder what is the real reason you are posting. [Edited 8/24/16 3:09am]

Just because someone is a joker doesn't mean they don't have anxiety issues or anything else going on. The Chris Moon interview isn't speculation or conjecture. It came out when it did because Prince had just passed, same reason why school teacher related the tack episode.

I don't see genuine cockiness from said clip. I see someone feeling awkward and trying to compensate by acting defiant. I see the same thing in the 1999 post performance interview with Bryant Gumbel. Could have been low blood sugar, may have been lack of sleep, who knows, anything? but he's definitely nervous. It's in his voice and face expressions. But before you accuse me of projection, no I can't say I've ever exhibited said behaviour myself, where I'd be acting cocky in spite of feeling unsure of myself.

He's a celebrity remember and in the public eye all the time. I think many celebrities are more insecure than the outward impression they portray.

fortuneandserendipity said:

jayseajay said:

Seriously no. He was the best showman on earth. Look at his face when he's doing it. Just look at the sheer joy. Look at how he can communicate that joy to thousands of people and get them to curl up in the palm of his hand. He was not doing that on sufferance. He was doing it because he loved it and he was incredible at it and he knew it. There are plenty of musicians who don't like being on stage, none of them perform anything like as often as P did. He played and played and played and played. If anything, he became addicted to pills because his true addiction was to performing and he needed to do what he needed to do to keep going. Yes, he was nervous when he was very young, and then he learned his craft and worked at it like a demon and became an absolute master of it. Nothing will ever convince me that the absolute esctasy that man could produce on stage was anything but the real deal.

Then you're not openminded, plain and simple. J S Bach and Beethoven were both copious coffee drinkers. Does that mean their music would have sounded any different or inferior if they had drunk no coffee? Quite possibly.

Why are you invested in the idea that a man who so evidently loved performing was so scared of performing he needed to take drugs his entire adult life to do it when there is no evidence to support that, and in spite of the evidence that drugs were not tolerated around him? I don't have an issue with the drugs, lots of artists take drugs, it's not a judgement, but I do have an issue with the idea that a man crippled by stage fright such that he needed drugs to deal with it would voluntarily structure his life to be on stage for so much of it. There are several instances - I'm thinking particularly of one of the SNL performaces shown in the tribute - where he performs, and looks his usual cocky comfortable self, and then, at the very end, they show him standing there with the others, and he looks anxious as hell, and as soon as he gets the chance flat out runs away. If the confidence in the performance was produced by drugs, than that confidence should have carried over to the social situation which immediately surrounded it, and it didn't. P was socially anxious around groups of ppl he didn't know, which is entirely consistent with someone who is very sensitive, genuine, and not comfortable engaging with ppl at a level of superficial trivial bullshit, i.e. with an artist. But as I keep saying, performance is a totally different thing, performance *was* the art, and he was a genuis at it, and he knew it, had utter confidence in his ability (as he well should have), and that is a more than adequate explanation of how he got over his intial shyness.

jayseajay said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Then you're not openminded, plain and simple. J S Bach and Beethoven were both copious coffee drinkers. Does that mean their music would have sounded any different or inferior if they had drunk no coffee? Quite possibly.

Why are you invested in the idea that a man who so evidently loved performing was so scared of performing he needed to take drugs his entire adult life to do it when there is no evidence to support that, and in spite of the evidence that drugs were not tolerated around him? I don't have an issue with the drugs, lots of artists take drugs, it's not a judgement, but I do have an issue with the idea that a man crippled by stage fright such that he needed drugs to deal with it would voluntarily structure his life to be on stage for so much of it. There are several instances - I'm thinking particularly of one of the SNL performaces shown in the tribute - where he performs, and looks his usual cocky comfortable self, and then, at the very end, they show him standing there with the others, and he looks anxious as hell, and as soon as he gets the chance flat out runs away. If the confidence in the performance was produced by drugs, than that confidence should have carried over to the social situation which immediately surrounded it, and it didn't. P was socially anxious around groups of ppl he didn't know, which is entirely consistent with someone who is very sensitive, genuine, and not comfortable engaging with ppl at a level of superficial trivial bullshit, i.e. with an artist. But as I keep saying, performance is a totally different thing, performance *was* the art, and he was a genuis at it, and he knew it, had utter confidence in his ability (as he well should have), and that is a more than adequate explanation of how he got over his intial shyness.

But you're so much more convinced that Prince never took drugs to deal with emotional issues than I am that he did. That's the problem, when people convince themselves 'oh it just doesn't fit the image'. There's no definite way of telling if he's masking any insecurity when appearing confident. There's seen and unseen, so you just don't know. What we do know anecdotally, is a lot of celebrities, usually very young take a shit ton of drugs. Would you ever have guessed Heath Ledger was a drug user, or River Phoenix? Not from how they appeared on camera. May be a different issue for every one of them, but if you're famous, drugs will find you because drug dealers are the worst profiteers.

The very early performances were all mimed, which would make it easier to perform confidently. He's also not engaging anyone with eye contact back then. I think most people would feel more confident miming to music than answering questions afterwards.

Carly Simon - stage fright. Barbra Streisand - stage fright. I am sure there have been and are many others who are nervous waiting to go on stage, and then once they do, they make it through the show.I never thought Prince was like that; maybe "the girls" could tell us if they saw it back in the 80s. In any case, he wasn't "done," and it's a damn shame he is gone.

fortuneandserendipity said:

jayseajay said:

Why are you invested in the idea that a man who so evidently loved performing was so scared of performing he needed to take drugs his entire adult life to do it when there is no evidence to support that, and in spite of the evidence that drugs were not tolerated around him? I don't have an issue with the drugs, lots of artists take drugs, it's not a judgement, but I do have an issue with the idea that a man crippled by stage fright such that he needed drugs to deal with it would voluntarily structure his life to be on stage for so much of it. There are several instances - I'm thinking particularly of one of the SNL performaces shown in the tribute - where he performs, and looks his usual cocky comfortable self, and then, at the very end, they show him standing there with the others, and he looks anxious as hell, and as soon as he gets the chance flat out runs away. If the confidence in the performance was produced by drugs, than that confidence should have carried over to the social situation which immediately surrounded it, and it didn't. P was socially anxious around groups of ppl he didn't know, which is entirely consistent with someone who is very sensitive, genuine, and not comfortable engaging with ppl at a level of superficial trivial bullshit, i.e. with an artist. But as I keep saying, performance is a totally different thing, performance *was* the art, and he was a genuis at it, and he knew it, had utter confidence in his ability (as he well should have), and that is a more than adequate explanation of how he got over his intial shyness.

But you're so much more convinced that Prince never took drugs to deal with emotional issues than I am that he did. That's the problem, when people convince themselves 'oh it just doesn't fit the image'. There's no definite way of telling if he's masking any insecurity when appearing confident. There's seen and unseen, so you just don't know. What we do know anecdotally, is a lot of celebrities, usually very young take a shit ton of drugs. Would you ever have guessed Heath Ledger was a drug user, or River Phoenix? Not from how they appeared on camera. May be a different issue for every one of them, but if you're famous, drugs will find you because drug dealers are the worst profiteers.

The very early performances were all mimed, which would make it easier to perform confidently. He's also not engaging anyone with eye contact back then. I think most people would feel more confident miming to music than answering questions afterwards.

We are done with you.

morningsong said:

Steadily getting weirder.

The pills that may have killed Prince appear to have been copies of a drug discontinued in 2013

Watson Laboratories discontinued pills with the same stamp, a generic version of Vicodin containing a blend of hydrocodone andacetaminophen, in December of 2013, a spokeswoman from Watson parent Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, told Quartz. Any remaining supplies of the drug would have expired in September of 2015, and should have been pulled from pharmacists’ shelves long before that.

Hundreds of thousands of counterfeit pills containing potentially lethal doses of fentanyl and other synthetic drugs have entered the US, from labs in China that are “mass-producing” the pills, the US Drug Enforcement A...last month. Teva “does not have a manufacturing facility or any distribution channels in China,” the company spokeswoman added, after divesting a small facility in 2013, and the company hasn’t sold products containing fentanyl since 2010.

http://qz.com/764026/the-pills-that-may-have-killed-prince-appear-to-have-been-copies-of-a-drug-discontinued-in-2013/

Suspicions have now arisen about the source of the drugs as Watson 385 is no longer sold in pharmacies due to the drug’s harmful effects on the liver and even more so, Watson Pharmaceuticals no longer exists. Watson changed its name to Activas Generics in 2013, which then purchased Allergan in November 2014 which was subsequently purchased by Teva Pharmaceuticals in a deal that just closed last week.

http://massappeal.com/pri...eit-drugs/

[Edited 8/23/16 19:36pm]

We're so old school - people immediately think of getting illicit drugs through some shady dealer in the worst part of town. If he didn't have a prescription on record in last 12 months then, sadly, starting to sound like these pills were purchased over the Internet, w/assumption they were Vicodin. What came thru the mail may have been labeled "Watson 385" (Vicodin) from China, but actually contained Fentanyl. That meets the definition of counterfeit drugs. The "Watson 385" label is meant to alert pharmacists to what's in the pill. But it's meaningless if it's not handed out by a pharmacist that knows that pill no longer exists. So how did he get them? You can buy prescription pills online pretty easily at sites like:

http://hotcanadianpharmac...s/Vicodin/

Heck you can still by "Ripped Fuel" w/ephedra on the Internet... over 15 years after the product was made illegal and pulled from shelves. But what might be IN those pills?

http://ephedraoutlet.com/ripped-fuel

[Edited 8/24/16 4:33am]

FUNKNROLL said:

morningsong said:

Steadily getting weirder.

The pills that may have killed Prince appear to have been copies of a drug discontinued in 2013

Watson Laboratories discontinued pills with the same stamp, a generic version of Vicodin containing a blend of hydrocodone andacetaminophen, in December of 2013, a spokeswoman from Watson parent Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, told Quartz. Any remaining supplies of the drug would have expired in September of 2015, and should have been pulled from pharmacists’ shelves long before that.

Hundreds of thousands of counterfeit pills containing potentially lethal doses of fentanyl and other synthetic drugs have entered the US, from labs in China that are “mass-producing” the pills, the US Drug Enforcement A...last month. Teva “does not have a manufacturing facility or any distribution channels in China,” the company spokeswoman added, after divesting a small facility in 2013, and the company hasn’t sold products containing fentanyl since 2010.

http://qz.com/764026/the-pills-that-may-have-killed-prince-appear-to-have-been-copies-of-a-drug-discontinued-in-2013/

Suspicions have now arisen about the source of the drugs as Watson 385 is no longer sold in pharmacies due to the drug’s harmful effects on the liver and even more so, Watson Pharmaceuticals no longer exists. Watson changed its name to Activas Generics in 2013, which then purchased Allergan in November 2014 which was subsequently purchased by Teva Pharmaceuticals in a deal that just closed last week.

http://massappeal.com/pri...eit-drugs/

[Edited 8/23/16 19:36pm]

We're so old school - people immediately think of getting illicit drugs through some shady dealer in the worst part of town. If he didn't have a prescription on record in last 12 months then, sadly, starting to sound like these pills were purchased over the Internet, w/assumption they were Vicodin. What came thru the mail may have been labeled "Watson 385" from China, but actually contained Fentanyl. You can buy prescription pills online pretty easily at sites like:

http://hotcanadianpharmac...s/Vicodin/

[Edited 8/24/16 4:24am]

They would have checked his computers, servers and phones by this time. I am sure the police and DEA want to track down the fake pills and in fact I believe they care more about that then who procured them for Prince. I also do not see Prince buying something online. The guy had trust issues and he was doing something illegal why would you leave a paper trail. He would have got this stuff from someone he trusted someone he trusted like a brother.

This latest info was leaked because they have no idea who got this for him becaues if they did we would have an arrest. Can of leaves out Dr D since I believe he would be in hand cuffs right now.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

But you're so much more convinced that Prince never took drugs to deal with emotional issues than I am that he did. That's the problem, when people convince themselves 'oh it just doesn't fit the image'. There's no definite way of telling if he's masking any insecurity when appearing confident. There's seen and unseen, so you just don't know. What we do know anecdotally, is a lot of celebrities, usually very young take a shit ton of drugs. Would you ever have guessed Heath Ledger was a drug user, or River Phoenix? Not from how they appeared on camera. May be a different issue for every one of them, but if you're famous, drugs will find you because drug dealers are the worst profiteers.

The very early performances were all mimed, which would make it easier to perform confidently. He's also not engaging anyone with eye contact back then. I think most people would feel more confident miming to music than answering questions afterwards.

We are done with you.

Who is 'we'. You're weird.

lwr001 said:

laurarichardson said:

-- Because you don't have one. There are many bits and pieces we do not know so there is mystery. In addition, read the law in Minnesota this is considered third degree murder. His recklessness does not let the person who provided it to him off the hook. The laws does not work that way.

What if the person who provided had no clue of the fentanyl either.

I've been thinking this as well. Neither Prince nor the person getting him the drugs probably knew they had fentanyl, hence it not showing in his blood tests prior to his death. Hair samples would have revealed that also. So probably it was a genuine accident and after realizing something was wrong, he got dressed in a hurry to call for help. It's the logical explanation for his clothes being backwards and inside out.

1Sasha said:

Carly Simon - stage fright. Barbra Streisand - stage fright. I am sure there have been and are many others who are nervous waiting to go on stage, and then once they do, they make it through the show.I never thought Prince was like that; maybe "the girls" could tell us if they saw it back in the 80s. In any case, he wasn't "done," and it's a damn shame he is gone.

Quite, and yet the fact his last album is SO good is in a way a fitting epitaph to an incredible career.

laurarichardson said:

FUNKNROLL said:

We're so old school - people immediately think of getting illicit drugs through some shady dealer in the worst part of town. If he didn't have a prescription on record in last 12 months then, sadly, starting to sound like these pills were purchased over the Internet, w/assumption they were Vicodin. What came thru the mail may have been labeled "Watson 385" from China, but actually contained Fentanyl. You can buy prescription pills online pretty easily at sites like:

http://hotcanadianpharmac...s/Vicodin/

[Edited 8/24/16 4:24am]

They would have checked his computers, servers and phones by this time. I am sure the police and DEA want to track down the fake pills and in fact I believe they care more about that then who procured them for Prince. I also do not see Prince buying something online. The guy had trust issues and he was doing something illegal why would you leave a paper trail. He would have got this stuff from someone he trusted someone he trusted like a brother.

This latest info was leaked because they have no idea who got this for him becaues if they did we would have an arrest. Can of leaves out Dr D since I believe he would be in hand cuffs right now.

I hear you, and somewhat agree. The internet purchase may be the source and explanation of "counterfeit" - hard to imagine somebody pressing pills in a nasty kitchen someplace w/presence of mind to misabel them with outdated information. I believe it's not illegal to purchase these items over the internet. So maybe it was a local MPLS purchase over the internet, which then traded hands w/a PP gopher thru cash.

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FUNKNROLL said:

laurarichardson said:

They would have checked his computers, servers and phones by this time. I am sure the police and DEA want to track down the fake pills and in fact I believe they care more about that then who procured them for Prince. I also do not see Prince buying something online. The guy had trust issues and he was doing something illegal why would you leave a paper trail. He would have got this stuff from someone he trusted someone he trusted like a brother.

This latest info was leaked because they have no idea who got this for him becaues if they did we would have an arrest. Can of leaves out Dr D since I believe he would be in hand cuffs right now.

I hear you, and somewhat agree. The internet purchase may be the source and explanation of "counterfeit" - hard to imagine somebody pressing pills in a nasty kitchen someplace w/presence of mind to misabel them with outdated information. I believe it's not illegal to purchase these items over the internet. So maybe it was a local MPLS purchase over the internet, which then traded hands w/a PP gopher thru cash.

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I believe with all of my heart he used a gopher. I am not sure that gopher knew he was getting the wrong stuff and we do know that drug dealers have been found with pill stampers and they are selling people pills saying they are one thing when they are something else. There are a few articles out about this.

laurarichardson said:

FUNKNROLL said:

I hear you, and somewhat agree. The internet purchase may be the source and explanation of "counterfeit" - hard to imagine somebody pressing pills in a nasty kitchen someplace w/presence of mind to misabel them with outdated information. I believe it's not illegal to purchase these items over the internet. So maybe it was a local MPLS purchase over the internet, which then traded hands w/a PP gopher thru cash.

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I believe with all of my heart he used a gopher. I am not sure that gopher knew he was getting the wrong stuff and we do know that drug dealers have been found with pill stampers and they are selling people pills saying they are one thing when they are something else. There are a few articles out about this.

Laura, but wouldn't that mean that the person would try to clean up afterwards? I mean, whoever was getting him these illegal pills was pretty close to him, a trusted person. So wouldn't that person try to get rid of the pills found on him and on his dressing room? Just thinking out loud here...

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

We are done with you.

Who is 'we'. You're weird.

You have written an entire page of total fucking nonsense. Going so far as to give Prince a social anxiety disorder with no proof whatsoever but something from a dumb ass tabloid which cannot explain how a 30 year user of Fentanyl ( which was not made avalible to the public until the 90s ) was able to function and live to see 57. Oh and the Medical Examiner who is telling you that there is no proof of long term use of this drug in his system, test from his hair or his test from the day before are showing no Fentanyl use but the tabloid knows better.

Your post can be deleated and they should be. You are lucky I am not a mod because you would be out of here.

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fortuneandserendipity said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

yes i am new, thanks for the correction and the kind words

yeah Prince looks so AT EASE during the interview afterwards. Jeezzz!!! Can't be nerves, must've been his cocksure defiance

LOL

Yes, Pepe and Dez's stories contradict. One of them is not telling the truth. P sure did look nervous in that interview and rarely came across as relaxed in any TV interview. The performances were different though. He even coped with the guitar strap breaking and having to change plans mid set very smoothly. The guy just didn't seem to like talking to strangers much - especially Clarke.

laurarichardson said:

FUNKNROLL said:

I hear you, and somewhat agree. The internet purchase may be the source and explanation of "counterfeit" - hard to imagine somebody pressing pills in a nasty kitchen someplace w/presence of mind to misabel them with outdated information. I believe it's not illegal to purchase these items over the internet. So maybe it was a local MPLS purchase over the internet, which then traded hands w/a PP gopher thru cash.

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I believe with all of my heart he used a gopher. I am not sure that gopher knew he was getting the wrong stuff and we do know that drug dealers have been found with pill stampers and they are selling people pills saying they are one thing when they are something else. There are a few articles out about this.

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