lwr001 said:

Morgaine said:

It depends on what state (US) you live in. I have a relative that takes Xanax for panic attacks & breathing issues & doctor has been filling them for over a decade, always a month supply usually 6 months of refills (shows on bottle). IMHO its a much more dangerous drug than opiates due to it suppressing the CNS as you stated.

I agree much more dangerous and you should Def be under a doctor care while taking because if you mix with something else it's going to be a problem. My doc issues in two week intervals and no refill I literally have to call and speak to him and he will call in another. Mind you , so addictive, they can't be written out on a script pad that I drop off

your doctor sucks and is simply using you to bill for excessive "consultations or visits".

and/or there are always those who try to impose their own medical beliefs and practices on their patients, which is improper.

joelmarable said:

NinaB said:

StopIt said:

laurarichardson said:

StopIt said:

Prince was shy when he was a kid. I guess he was a drug user coming out of the womb. Some of this ish I'm reading is atrocious! Shame.

NinaB said:

laurarichardson said:

NinaB said:

Maybe he thought he still had time.

-- Does not sound like a fun time.

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said:

You missed my point. The other person said the death was mysterious. It's not. And there may not have been a crime. Where is the intent? You are wildly speculating because you are in denial that Prince took these counterfeit pills of his own choice. He was reckless.

-- Because you don't have one. There are many bits and pieces we do not know so there is mystery. In addition, read the law in Minnesota this is considered third degree murder. His recklessness does not let the person who provided it to him off the hook. The laws does not work that way.

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My point is that the death is no mystery. Prince took counterfeit pills because he was addicted to painkillers. This caused his death. No mystery.

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As to not knowing where the drugs came from etc also not a mystery. It is just unknown at this stage. So no need to make up wild conspiracy theories and speculate about Prince, his family etc.

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Steadily getting weirder.

The pills that may have killed Prince appear to have been copies of a drug discontinued in 2013

Watson Laboratories discontinued pills with the same stamp, a generic version of Vicodin containing a blend of hydrocodone andacetaminophen, in December of 2013, a spokeswoman from Watson parent Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, told Quartz. Any remaining supplies of the drug would have expired in September of 2015, and should have been pulled from pharmacists’ shelves long before that.

Hundreds of thousands of counterfeit pills containing potentially lethal doses of fentanyl and other synthetic drugs have entered the US, from labs in China that are “mass-producing” the pills, the US Drug Enforcement A...last month. Teva “does not have a manufacturing facility or any distribution channels in China,” the company spokeswoman added, after divesting a small facility in 2013, and the company hasn’t sold products containing fentanyl since 2010.

http://qz.com/764026/the-pills-that-may-have-killed-prince-appear-to-have-been-copies-of-a-drug-discontinued-in-2013/

Suspicions have now arisen about the source of the drugs as Watson 385 is no longer sold in pharmacies due to the drug’s harmful effects on the liver and even more so, Watson Pharmaceuticals no longer exists. Watson changed its name to Activas Generics in 2013, which then purchased Allergan in November 2014 which was subsequently purchased by Teva Pharmaceuticals in a deal that just closed last week.

http://massappeal.com/pri...eit-drugs/

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Superconductor said:

jayseajay said:

NinaB said:

I call bullshit on social anxiety/phobia.

It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Have these people ever looked at his tour schedule?? Ppl with stage fright do not design their lives to be on stage 150 nights a year, they do not play 2 and sometimes 3 gigs in a night, and they don't look like they are in their absolute favourite place on earth while they're doing it. It's such utter bollocks.

He loved music, his art. That's why he did the shows. Read articles about the beginning of his career. One of his managers, I can't recall the name, said Prince was so shy that the lights had to be turned out if anyone walked in while he was recording so they couldn't look at him. Also, he said that Prince sang so quietly that he could barely be heard. And then look at the American Bandstand interview (should still be on YouTube) that he did in 1979...he could barely talk when Dick Clark asked him questions...I could feel his pain. (I read too that Dez Dickerson said that was because Prince planned it that way...not to talk to Dick Clark,but I don't think so.) Prince was highly intelligent. He knew he had the phobia and wanted to be the best at his career and knew that if he was going to do that he'd have to deal with the phobia. His friend Pepe Willie asked him "what happened?" regarding the Dick Clark interview and Prince said he froze and said it would never happen again. I wonder if this is when he knew he'd have to get some "help" because he'd need to know how to deal with interviews.

Was this article mentioned?

laurarichardson said:

NinaB said:

Some of the rubbish people have said! I can take it slightly better frm a noob. But some of y'all are long time hardcore collectors chattin a whole heap of shit! Need 2 lay off the projection & pay closer attention. Cha!

-- Unfortunatly, since Prince died we have a lot of people projecting their drugs issues and comparing themselves to Prince. That dude was the hardest working man in show business and anyone who thinks he did it stoned and frighten of the stage is delisional. He did by working hard and don't need drugs to accomplished your goals or be creative.

The pills he took don't make you stoned. But they do alter something in the brain. I know this isn't the same thing, but I had surgery a couple of years ago and was in serious pain when I came home. I didn't take a pain pill, but the second day I did. I felt like I hadn't had surgery at all and was vacuuming and cooking and sitting on the floor playing with my son when I was supposed to be resting. I also remember thinking out loud, I feel better than I've ever felt in my life. The pills (an opioid) completely cleared my mind, no negative thinking or overloaded with thoughts, I felt like I could do anything. But it wasn't any type of euphoric feeling or stoned out feeling. I just felt pain free and extremely optimistic and I'm normally somewhat of a pessimist...ha! I didn't take any more pills after that day and sure enough I was back to feeling pain and certainly was in no shape to sit on the floor or vacuum. One thing for sure, the day I took the pills I over did it by doing too much. Sorry if this tmi.

wisdom7 said:

jayseajay said:

It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Have these people ever looked at his tour schedule?? Ppl with stage fright do not design their lives to be on stage 150 nights a year, they do not play 2 and sometimes 3 gigs in a night, and they don't look like they are in their absolute favourite place on earth while they're doing it. It's such utter bollocks.

He loved music, his art. That's why he did the shows. Read articles about the beginning of his career. One of his managers, I can't recall the name, said Prince was so shy that the lights had to be turned out if anyone walked in while he was recording so they couldn't look at him. Also, he said that Prince sang so quietly that he could barely be heard. And then look at the American Bandstand interview (should still be on YouTube) that he did in 1979...he could barely talk when Dick Clark asked him questions...I could feel his pain. (I read too that Dez Dickerson said that was because Prince planned it that way...not to talk to Dick Clark,but I don't think so.) Prince was highly intelligent. He knew he had the phobia and wanted to be the best at his career and knew that if he was going to do that he'd have to deal with the phobia. His friend Pepe Willie asked him "what happened?" regarding the Dick Clark interview and Prince said he froze and said it would never happen again. I wonder if this is when he knew he'd have to get some "help" because he'd need to know how to deal with interviews.

Seriously no. He was the best showman on earth. Look at his face when he's doing it. Just look at the sheer joy. Look at how he can communicate that joy to thousands of people and get them to curl up in the palm of his hand. He was not doing that on sufferance. He was doing it because he loved it and he was incredible at it and he knew it. There are plenty of musicians who don't like being on stage, none of them perform anything like as often as P did. He played and played and played and played. If anything, he became addicted to pills because his true addiction was to performing and he needed to do what he needed to do to keep going. Yes, he was nervous when he was very young, and then he learned his craft and worked at it like a demon and became an absolute master of it. Nothing will ever convince me that the absolute esctasy that man could produce on stage was anything but the real deal.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

They didn't "clean up his house" because it was a crime scene - or a death scene anyway. If they were complicit in any way it would have looked WORSE if they had cleaned it up and would have raised more suspicions. When my mother attempted suicide I left everything just like I'd found it - pills, booze, drugs, note... everything. I was interviewed for maybe 10 minutes and that was it.

If I had tossed any of that stuff I'm certain it would have taken much much longer than 10 minutes to be interviewed and cleared. Leaving the place as it was was smart and, more importantly, the legal thing to do. It's what an innocent person would do.

-- Some of you leave sheltered lives. The paramedics took his body away and his family came in to the building the police left at this point Breamer Trusts is not even involved it is the families job to secure the premises at that point. if you don't think families clean up evidence in that time period you are smoking crack. I think they were really clueless about what was going on.

The police did a search of PP on that first day at the death scene and nobody would have been allowed to or had the right to be trespassing on a police-controlled death scene investigation nor to interfere with that in any way. This was widely publicized throughout that first week and acknowledged by the sheriff and deputy. They then received an after-the-fact search warrant and had it sealed on the grounds that the investigation could be otherwise compromised.

http://www.reuters.com/ar...SKCN0XP2OK

Could it have been a bit of both? Sometimes, people act out like that because they are nervous. They put on the rock star persona because a straight interview in which they are just themselves and happy to be there would be uncomfortable for them. He did seem like he was being evasive on purpose, but he also fidgeted a great deal and even overdid his eccentricity a bit.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

jayseajay said: -- You must be new. Prince told the whole band in the green room if Dick ask you a question do answer him. He was fucking with Dick Clark. This story came from Dez Dickenson. You and Daily Fail no nothing about P history.

yes i am new, thanks for the correction and the kind words

So, physical dependence vs.addiction... is that the argument now? From what I have read, physical dependence is predictable, managed with medication and ultimatley resolved with a slow taper off.

Addiction is abnormal and classified as a disease. Addiction is primary condition manifesting as uncontrollable cravings, inability to control drug use, compulsive drug use, and use despite doing harm to oneself, or others.

Who on this forum can convince me that in the case of Prince, this was physical dependence? How do we explain how "predictable" it was , or, how "manageable" it was, when we know it was illicit ? He was not under a doctors care, and according to published reports, did not have a prescription for anything that was found ! You can't manage an individual who is self medicating!

PeteSilas said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

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morningsong said:

My other posts were locked and I was told to post here.

Anyhow, which folks in his employment do you think knew about his addiction? Why folks do you think suspected but didn't say anything? And which folks in his entourage/employment were oblivious and just thought he was a mysterious dude who liked to play coy?

purplerabbithole said:

My other posts were locked and I was told to post here.

Anyhow, which folks in his employment do you think knew about his addiction? Why folks do you think suspected but didn't say anything? And which folks in his entourage/employment were oblivious and just thought he was a mysterious dude who liked to play coy?

There is one person who knew, besides Prince. Prince's behavior and physical appearance was a dead give away. If this person told you they didnt notice, they would be lying.

laurarichardson said:

His appearance didn' alter until the last year and probably a lot of people suspected something might be wrong (or thought at the very least he was overworked and undereating).

But the addiction didn't start just last year. He was abusing earlier than that probably. Did people notice it then?

Menes said:

purplerabbithole said:

My other posts were locked and I was told to post here.

Anyhow, which folks in his employment do you think knew about his addiction? Why folks do you think suspected but didn't say anything? And which folks in his entourage/employment were oblivious and just thought he was a mysterious dude who liked to play coy?

There is one person who knew, besides Prince. Prince's behavior and physical appearance was a dead give away. If this person told you they didnt notice, they would be lying.