joelmarable said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

some men like the company of women over men, sometimes it's not sexual. i know i prefer to be around women more than men. Men have that alpha male syndrome that gets tired. Women can be nags too so i actually like being alone. Prince though, wanting the company of women sounds like a normal man to me.

Men can be chauvinistic and macho, women spoilt and entitled. Basically that can make life shitt. So it's totally understandable what you say about yourself but also regarding prince, because I believe he was more on his feminine side, therefore preferring female company in general.

I just don't like arguing with people so that's why i try not to let too many people in, they tend to take advantage of my non-assertiveness. But, I still would rather be around women way more than men. In fact, i think guys who favor hanging out with men are possibly latent homosexuals. I never thought it was normal anyway.

Superconductor said:

This thread is totally insane!!!! What drugs are you guys on??!! Yeah why go for the most plausible explanation that our musical hero had a drug dependence problem and got reckless and accidentally overdosed when one can make up harebrained illuminati and other crazy shit like someone slipped him a pill, satan did it because the shirt was on backwards etc. So someone force fed Prince painmeds for months to make him addicted and then finished him off and hid the pills in his dressing room in a vitamin bottle?

not everyone is jumping on the illuminati bandwagon, it is a very mysterious death though.

I am frustrated that some major news sources are claiming P "may" have known that the counterfeit pills contained fentanyl, when the sources for this story say the LE thinks the opposite, which tracks with the ME's report where she stated it was an accident...makes perfect sense if he didn't know what he was taking.

Grrr...

when any other rich guy dies under unusual circumstances, especially when there is no will, and no wife or kids, the first thing everyone says is somebody killed him for the money, and it usually ends up being true. don't know why some have such a hard time believing that one person would kill another person for a huge amount of money. it may or may not be true, but is not an "insane" position to take. further more unless prince bought the pills himself, it is murder, i know manslaughter if the person did not do it on perpose, but manslaughter still ends up with a dead person. so the only people that think it was not some form of murder are the people that think he bought the pills himself.

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LuxLove said:

The drug dealer story has been updated on Daily Mail. I've not read it, not gonna link it either. Time to leave this forum for a while

Yeah...I think I''m with you on this. So much of the stuff I've been reading by WAY too many people here is straight up loony bin material and it moves so fucking fast I can't even keep up with up with it. I can't for one second imagine what the lens of reality must be like for someone that can seriously entertain the idea that this was some sort of assassination, cover up or conspiracy.

Like, how do does someone who can believe that even get out of bed in the morning, take a piss or a shit and go to work? How do you even function in society believing that the possibility of a setup here is the most simple, logical explanation for all this? Let alone find time to post about it?

cloveringold85 said:

Just my opinion here and it is not meant to offend anyone. Bottom line, Prince would not put this poison in his body! Someone else did. Those pills were planted around his room to make him look like a druggie. How convenient too that the security system was turned-off that night before he was found in the elevator. That was some powerful drugs in his system -- Prince was not stupid enough to take them! He was being drugged. Now, come on -- do you think Prince would be so careless to put bottles labeled "Aleve" around his estate that had "Fentanyl" and the synthetic opioids that could kill an elephant!! That is a liability! Imagine someone finding a bottle labeled "Aleve", so they take one because they have a headache, then they are dead!! Prince was meticulous about PP and kept things as neat as a pin!! Why would he just leave pills laying around? And, think about this; if Prince had these drugs on him on the airplane, wouldn't he be in jail for carrying illegal drugs on him? Furthermore, (now I don't know if this is true), but the news is saying that Prince did not even have a prescription for "Fentanyl", so he was obtaining them "illegally", if that is the case, which I hope not!! This story keeps going from bad to worse!! I suspect foul play. I pray to God that he will work this out. It's in God's hands!! Keep Praying for our beloved Prince. He did not deserve this!! Justice for Prince Roger Nelson!!

Wrong. I don't even know where to start with this. Again, we have another member who doesn't understand drugs, the nature of addiction or even something as simple as travelling with pills on a private jet. I've taken numerous medications with me on several arilines and never had a problem.

You sound like a crazy person.

leadline said:

LuxLove said:

The drug dealer story has been updated on Daily Mail. I've not read it, not gonna link it either. Time to leave this forum for a while

I saw that, and if anyone believes for a second that drug dealer really exists, they really need to think things through.

Says the conspiracy theorist who thinks Prince was murdered.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

when any other rich guy dies under unusual circumstances, especially when there is no will, and no wife or kids, the first thing everyone says is somebody killed him for the money, and it usually ends up being true. don't know why some have such a hard time believing that one person would kill another person for a huge amount of money. it may or may not be true, but is not an "insane" position to take. further more unless prince bought the pills himself, it is murder, i know manslaughter if the person did not do it on person, but manslaughter still ends up with a dead perpose. so the only people that think it was not some form of murder are the people that think he bought the pills himself.

[Edited 8/23/16 15:17pm]

It is absurdly naive to NOT believe people are murdered, marginalized, humiliated, disgraced, in the name of "business" on a regular basis. It's in the news every day and it's closer to each of us than we think. I've seen businesses 'reach in' and get others fired as part of a partnership deal, just because they didn't like somebody.

Some just don't want to believe sociopaths walk among us. Some just don't want to believe there are people in this world that are counting on others to be law-abiding, god-fearing. I'm personally mortified by the thought of intentionally harming somebody else - but I've met plenty of others who think my way of living is for suckers. Don't understimate.

[Edited 8/23/16 15:27pm]

Bassette said:

FUNKNROLL said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

when any other rich guy dies under unusual circumstances, especially when there is no will, and no wife or kids, the first thing everyone says is somebody killed him for the money, and it usually ends up being true. don't know why some have such a hard time believing that one person would kill another person for a huge amount of money. it may or may not be true, but is not an "insane" position to take. further more unless prince bought the pills himself, it is murder, i know manslaughter if the person did not do it on person, but manslaughter still ends up with a dead perpose. so the only people that think it was not some form of murder are the people that think he bought the pills himself.

[Edited 8/23/16 15:17pm]

It is absurdly naive to NOT believe people are murdered, marginalized, humiliated, disgraced, in the name of "business" on a regular basis. It's in the news every day and it's closer to each of us than we think. I've seen businesses 'reach in' and get others fired as part of a partnership deal, just because they didn't like somebody.

Some just don't want to believe sociopaths walk among us. Some just don't want to believe there are people in this world that are counting on others to be law-abiding, god-fearing. I'm personally mortified by the thought of intentionally harming somebody else - but I've met plenty of others who think my way of living is for suckers. Don't understimate.

[Edited 8/23/16 15:27pm]

Exactly FUNKNROLL, the folks that feel anything along these lines is some conspiracy are just not able to see the bigger picture, foul play is foul play, it happens all the time as you mention, nobody is immune from it. To blindly discount the possiblity is what is crazy.

[Edited 8/23/16 15:38pm]

Christ on a cracker. Fuck this insane bullshit. I'm taking a break.

You frantic phone posters who write shit I can't even read or parse, the cryptic drive by types, the ones claiming to know inside shit, the "just say 'no" and "All drugs are bad" people, the ones so invested in thier hero that to admit he had a drug problem is tentamount to blasphemy, and the rest who refuse to believe the facts that almost entirely and logically explain about 95% of what really happened have worn me right the fuck out.

Even if they catch the person who sold him the hot pills, half of you maniacs won't believe it anyway and will likely claim that whoever they wind up prosecuting is just a fall guy used to cover up for law enforcement, doctors and the "real murderer".

Too many of you have lost your motherfucking minds over this. I'm sad he's gone too but i mean god damn. I used to think that arguing over whether MPLSound was good or not was tiring but, god damn, these last two threads have been absolutely off the chain with nonsensical bullshit.

Does anyone know the nature of the departure of Kiran Sharma?

rogifan said:

Damn I wish they'd just announce the tribute concert information already. Now would be the perfect time to get this shit off radar. We really don't know anything more, at least not anything that would bring closure. It's all still speculation. I actually feel ill inside that I spent the past two days obsessed over this. 😒 At the Oakland P&M shows Prince said "We need a new story". Yes indeed. Yes we do. The tribute concert announcement would be just that. I hope it's announced yet this week. 🙏🏻

Amen to this rogifan, Amen to this!!!

rogifan said:

Damn I wish they'd just announce the tribute concert information already. Now would be the perfect time to get this shit off radar. We really don't know anything more, at least not anything that would bring closure. It's all still speculation. I actually feel ill inside that I spent the past two days obsessed over this. 😒 At the Oakland P&M shows Prince said "We need a new story". Yes indeed. Yes we do. The tribute concert announcement would be just that. I hope it's announced yet this week. 🙏🏻

A little off topic, but I remember you saying you passed by P.Park today and saw 10 cars in the parking lot and usually there are only 2. Do you have more intel on what is happening there today?

lwr001 said:

Does anyone know the nature of the departure of Kiran Sharma?

ya, i heard she was abducted by reptilian aliens who put a probe up her bootie which made her go get prince out of revenge.

SheLovesMeNot said:

I knew, we all knew Prince would never risk his own life by taking drugs especially illegal drugs. Prince loved himself and his charities way too much to have left without a Will. He never had a chance and as the days go by without him it just gets more sad. If only he had a cell phone that when the drug took it's affect on him while in the elevator he could've called for help.

I respectfully disagree with you. Unless "we" or "you" had been close, personal friend(s) of Prince's, we don't know, which imho, makes his death more difficult.

It is very sad.

I am hoping that if Prince suffered from chronic pain and was merely seeking relief, that at a minimum his death can begin a conversation about chronic pain and how undertreated it is. As well as educating people about the difference between addiction and dependence.

Peace.

herb4 said:

LuxLove said:

The drug dealer story has been updated on Daily Mail. I've not read it, not gonna link it either. Time to leave this forum for a while

Yeah...I think I''m with you on this. So much of the stuff I've been reading by WAY too many people here is straight up loony bin material and it moves so fucking fast I can't even keep up with up with it. I can't for one second imagine what the lens of reality must be like for someone that can seriously entertain the idea that this was some sort of assassination, cover up or conspiracy.

Like, how do does someone who can believe that even get out of bed in the morning, take a piss or a shit and go to work? How do you even function in society believing that the possibility of a setup here is the most simple, logical explanation for all this? Let alone find time to post about it?

you'd be surprised, there are lots of highly functioning, rich people who still think obama is not a us citizen and a muslim. surprises me when they say it, but who am i to say, i haven't even looked at the "evidence".

Morgaine said:

SheLovesMeNot said:

I knew, we all knew Prince would never risk his own life by taking drugs especially illegal drugs. Prince loved himself and his charities way too much to have left without a Will. He never had a chance and as the days go by without him it just gets more sad. If only he had a cell phone that when the drug took it's affect on him while in the elevator he could've called for help.

I respectfully disagree with you. Unless "we" or "you" had been close, personal friend(s) of Prince's, we don't know, which imho, makes his death more difficult.

It is very sad.

I am hoping that if Prince suffered from chronic pain and was merely seeking relief, that at a minimum his death can begin a conversation about chronic pain and how undertreated it is. As well as educating people about the difference between addiction and dependence.

Peace.

it's just so fucking wierd, all of it and it's fascinating. You know Bruce Lee died mysteriously but then his son died in the very way that a Bruce Lee character died in one of his movies, by being shot for real in a shooting scene in a movie. Was it murder? I don't know, i do know 100 percent that it's fucking strange. The kind of strange that makes you believe in curses and conspiracies, or at least entertain the idea.

sonshine said:

Someone should have been with him. Someone who could administer Narcan if necessary. That was my first thought after we knew how he died, and t keeps coming back to that. People knew he was in crisis. He od'd days before. Especially if someone with knowledge of that was also someone who was helping him get pills they for sure should have had a safety net in place. [Edited 8/22/16 22:52pm]

This reminds me of harm reduction. There are a few states (not sure of the #) that actually prescribe narcan/its equivalent in the event that a person taking prescription opiates takes too many.

Unfortunately, because of all the misinformation about opiates in re chronic pain, it is unusual, which is sad as I imagine it could save many lives, possibly could've saved Prince's had he been prescribed narcan/equivalent and either been able to take it himself or had someone there who could have done so.

1Sasha said:

At the end of the day, no matter how much we debate Prince's final moments, I think we can all honestly say he had NO ONE in his life who loved him enough to be with him, to walk the journey by his side. Everyone around him was essentially a paid hanger-on. Don't tell me family was there. Don't say the 20 or 30 year-old women he had around him. Now, there will be people here who will says the fams would have taken care of him, but he didn't know us. I am talking about someone he knew in his heart. Someone who didn't need or want anything from him. That is gut-wrenching to me. Fame, money, power and NO ONE who loved him enough.

It's also possible that he did not allow anyone to get that close. You can't be close to someone if they don't let you.

There are many, many other possibilities as well.

To me, it's very sad that no one was there when he needed them, regardless of the reason(s).

Superconductor said:

This thread is totally insane!!!! What drugs are you guys on??!! Yeah why go for the most plausible explanation that our musical hero had a drug dependence problem and got reckless and accidentally overdosed when one can make up harebrained illuminati and other crazy shit like someone slipped him a pill, satan did it because the shirt was on backwards etc. So someone force fed Prince painmeds for months to make him addicted and then finished him off and hid the pills in his dressing room in a vitamin bottle?

I'm in total agreement with you Superconductor. The writing is on the wall but no one wants to believe it.

I think people have a really hard time accepting that Prince could be an amazing musician and human being and be drug addicted. People tend to connect drug addiction with "bad" people.

But Prince was all three...great musician, great human being and addicted to drugs. He was all three.

Maybe people feel duped by him so they would rather be in denial. But denial is not healthy.

The drug dealer's story makes so much sense. He's not out to get Prince, he's just telling what he knows.

People...you can still love Prince even though he had an addiction problem and purchased drugs illegally. No one is perfect. He wasn't God. According to Dr. D, the drug dealer, he didn't do the drugs for fun, he started out using them because he had social phobia and stage fright. In Prince's mind, he did it for his art.

Morgaine said:

sonshine said:

Someone should have been with him. Someone who could administer Narcan if necessary. That was my first thought after we knew how he died, and t keeps coming back to that. People knew he was in crisis. He od'd days before. Especially if someone with knowledge of that was also someone who was helping him get pills they for sure should have had a safety net in place. [Edited 8/22/16 22:52pm]

This reminds me of harm reduction. There are a few states (not sure of the #) that actually prescribe narcan/its equivalent in the event that a person taking prescription opiates takes too many.

Unfortunately, because of all the misinformation about opiates in re chronic pain, it is unusual, which is sad as I imagine it could save many lives, possibly could've saved Prince's had he been prescribed narcan/equivalent and either been able to take it himself or had someone there who could have done so.

Good point and true. I personally have an aunt who has cancer, is on Fentanyl patch and Percoset and she has Narcan shots prescribed by a doctor that my uncle is instructed to give her if she is losing consciousness or having breathing issues while on these drugs. These drugs are insane. But maybe Prince didn't have a Narcan prescription because he was not knowingly taking Fentanyl, ie black market pills so he didn't know F was in them or another possibility.

Morgaine said:

sonshine said:

Someone should have been with him. Someone who could administer Narcan if necessary. That was my first thought after we knew how he died, and t keeps coming back to that. People knew he was in crisis. He od'd days before. Especially if someone with knowledge of that was also someone who was helping him get pills they for sure should have had a safety net in place. [Edited 8/22/16 22:52pm]

This reminds me of harm reduction. There are a few states (not sure of the #) that actually prescribe narcan/its equivalent in the event that a person taking prescription opiates takes too many.

Unfortunately, because of all the misinformation about opiates in re chronic pain, it is unusual, which is sad as I imagine it could save many lives, possibly could've saved Prince's had he been prescribed narcan/equivalent and either been able to take it himself or had someone there who could have done so.

they passed a law a while back so narcon shots can be sold in drugs stores without a prescription. not sure if they are there now, but will be very soon. it is suggested that anyone working with the public or who may have a family memeber with an addiction carry a nacron shot with them.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said: --- Dr Drew is an asshat. The ME is saying he was not a user of Fentynal. The can tell from the test the ME ran. That is why they are saying it was accidental and if their is a criminal case the whole case will hinge on that. I think Prince had an Rx at one time got cut off and then decided he would get it from the streets. I don't think people realize that if was in pain getting off the meds will not make your pain go away. Would he have been able to work? Plus he had heart meds and anti-seziures meds. He was not a well man.

I don't think he was prescribed the ladocaine. It was part of the mixture of the counterfeit pills.

The articles with the 'source(s)' stated that lidocaine was part of the mixture in the fake hydrocodone pills.

AnnaStesia10 said:

captiveunicorn said:

Have read most of both threads. Everytime a new piece of information has come out, I've had to try and reconcile it. Now that the immediate shock of this is wearing off a bit, this is how I'm thinking about this:

P saw what happened to Michael Jackson. People are on record as saying he was deeply shaken by that. If he started having serious pain issues he might not have trusted a Doctor to prescribe for him fearing going down that route/someone else controlling his health and state of mind. Also vaguely remember hearing that he did not trust doctors re: Mayte's pregnancy (though I can't find a source for that so it might have just been speculation).

I gather that pretty much anything is available on the darkweb. P was always at the forefront of online technology. I suspect he would have known how to access the darkweb and self medicate. Being someone who was curious and intelligent and wanted to make himself knowledgeable on topics he was interested in, it is not outside the realms of possibility to me that he might have found out how much of what he should take and self medicated.

The problem with my reasoning/thinking here is the alternative explanations: he was shaken by MJ's death bc was also addicted to painkillers at that point and he was frightened he might be following the same path. Despite all our speculation, no one is on record as having been told by P he was in pain or had any other underlying conditions (in fact quite the opposite - even Judith Hill says she had no idea he was in pain and he never told her he was). Yet Judith was apparently instrumental in getting him hooked up with Kornfield the addiction specialist, who he agreed to see. So why pretend you're not in pain yet agree to see an addiction specialist?

The simplest explanation - and the one I wish the most wasn't true - is probably that P got addicted to painkillers after his hip surgery, couldn't get off them, and resorted to blackmarket drugs. Makes me sad but there we are. Up until now I wanted to believe he was prescribed the pain meds he died from for an underlying condition (like cancer), but now it seems the meds were not prescribed. They were also purposefully disguised, and as much as I hate to admit, that is addict behaviour. Despite the obvious changes in his body since 2014 it seems unlikely now to me that he was taking these meds for a condition like cancer, bc if he did have cancer, why has no one come out and said that?

I understand the path you have gone down but sadly, this is not usually the case. Less than 10% of people with chronic pain who take opiates get addicted. Dependent, yes, but physical dependence occurs anytime a person takes meds (diabetes, asthma, etc) on a consistent basis. And it is a HUGE leap from one to the other.

I really wish people would stop putting the label of 'addiction' in with chronic pain. Chronic pain is horrible,I suffered from it for several years and would have done damn near anything to just feel remotely human. Other here have said the same.

Can we please stop assuming that Prince was addicted? It's possible, yes, but there's also a 90% chance (see stats above) that he was dependent on opiates to control chronic pain.

I do not say this to offend, merely to hopefully begin to get away from the mis-education that is so prevalent in US society in re chronic pain, opiates, and addiction.

Peace.

Morgaine said:

tmo1965 said:

I don't think he was prescribed the ladocaine. It was part of the mixture of the counterfeit pills.

The articles with the 'source(s)' stated that lidocaine was part of the mixture in the fake hydrocodone pills.

lidocaine, that's it. Strange it didn't say the name of the other drug.