jayseajay said:

Touché

Superconductor said:

Who said he did not have a problem with meds. Does that make third degree murder okay because that is what whoever gave him those drugs is looking at. Still a crime.

teach49 said:

laurarichardson said:

jayseajay said: --We have to agree to disagree.

I think there are two things at crosshairs here: 1) why someone starts taking the drug and 2) what it means physiologically to be addicted/dependent. Physiologically, why you start does not matter...addiction is addiction. But to some people it matters why someone starts. I can see why. If someone is in physical pain and needs pain medication and then becomes addicted, it's not like they were playing with fire. They didn't mean it and maybe didn't even like the fact that they ever had to take a drug at all. It does seem unfair to lump them in with those who were out for a party.

But I see the other side as well. When someone uses drugs recreationally and becomes addicted, how do you really know why they started? There is such a thing as deep emotional pain that can be excruciating to live with. You just don't know. I have a cousin who partied with her dad starting at 13. 13 years old...with her father! Yes, she was having fun and many would separate her from someone who got addicted for medical reasons if they ran into her on the street when she was homeless years later. But is that fair? Is it right? How do you know how or why someone starts in the first place? Most of the time, you don't. In the end, those who get addicted through "recreational" use don't get as much sympathy. I understand that and even feel it myself. And yet, I'm not sure it's really right or fair.

What bothers me about P's situation is that everything we know suggests he was addicted to vicodin, but not fentanyl, so I wish people would just accept that for now until we have evidence to the contrary. I think the "he was addicted to fentanyl for 30 years" story is as fantastical as the "he was killed my someone who slipped him the wrong pill" story.

He was addicted most likely to Tylenol with codeine. It appears he took something that was labeled as such, but it was fentanyl instead and it killed him. We don't know how he got it. That's what they are investigating.

We just don't know.

Yes, thank you, this was exactly what I was getting at. I know people think people who get addicted b/c they started recreationally should deserve less sympathy...but, the fact that many many ppl take recreational drugs and never get addicted does suggest that it stems from an underlying problem, and so, I don't think its right or fair as you say to play this game of good addict vs. bad addict. Anyone with a drug addiction has some kind of issue. And I think if anything good can come out of P's death (which is grasping at straws, because its just fucking terrible beyond words)...it maybe is a conversation about addiction which tries to be compassionate about the horrible horrible stuff that people with addictions go through, and the very real pain - either physical or emotional/traumatic - that usually underlies those addictions.

lazycrockett said:

Of course not. Pre fentnal, oxy and percent od were and still are prevalent. Adding fentanyl into the mix has accelerated it

herb4 said:

LuxLove said:

The drug dealer story has been updated on Daily Mail. I've not read it, not gonna link it either. Time to leave this forum for a while

Yeah...I think I''m with you on this. So much of the stuff I've been reading by WAY too many people here is straight up loony bin material and it moves so fucking fast I can't even keep up with up with it. I can't for one second imagine what the lens of reality must be like for someone that can seriously entertain the idea that this was some sort of assassination, cover up or conspiracy.

Like, how do does someone who can believe that even get out of bed in the morning, take a piss or a shit and go to work? How do you even function in society believing that the possibility of a setup here is the most simple, logical explanation for all this? Let alone find time to post about it?

Well in my case, like I said I dont necessarily believe that and I dont necessarily see a strong case for it.

But so far it seems like, feels like , stuff is being covered up. If its true about the clothes on backwards why do we get this story about clothes on backwards 4 months after the event.

Why wasnt that made public at the time ?

Just makes you wonder what else we havnt been told right ?

We now getting stories about fenatyl found in bottles that were labelled somthing else.

And people are not talking.

There must been a trail of who had contacts with Prince sequentially in lets say the last 48 hours of his life, but we hear very few and vague details about this and specifically the nature of these interactions and how he seemed.

There is seemingly no explanation for how he obtained pills.

Sure an accidental pill overdose is quite likely.

But definitly the case needs full investigation.

And like I said even though its most probably unlikely we cant completly rule out the notion of foul play untill its clearly established exactly what happened.

[Edited 8/23/16 18:16pm]

ladygirl99 said:

I am going to sit back and to continue to listen and watch as more ppl will talk. I have a feeling the truth is going to come out eventually. I am NOT buying the junkie NOR the murder narratives.

I agree... and I hate to be a conspiracy theorist.. I'm just going to wait and se what comes out as well

lazycrockett said:

NPR is not a credible source...consider who owns that network
I bet they want everyone to believe the bs

lwr001 said:

-- My take is he was seeing Dr. S for real problems and medicating himself for pain not realizing you can not mix all these meds together. I am really surprised about seizure meds he had to know how dangerous seizures are with drugs and other meds.

jayseajay said:

I ment keep it real. I am on the train typing.

lwr001 said:

jayseajay said:

We have ore evidence about the size of his balls than we do about drug use stretching back to the early eighties. Just sayin.

Touché

laurarichardson said:

To be sure xanax, klonopin etc were first introduced , if I am not mistaken, like seroquel as seizure medication. Pharmaceuticalcompanies discovered a better use in treating anxiety etc. So you suppress respiratory with the benzo then add an opiate on top and it's a recipe for disaster. The same outcome could happen to him without even taking the fentanyl unfortunately if he was indeed taking oxy, percs and xanax

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

lazycrockett said:

NPR did a report on Here and Now today bout the fentanyl and my take away was that prince thought he was taking oxycotin or percocet.

http://www.wbur.org/herea...e-fentanyl

NPR is not a credible source...consider who owns that network I bet they want everyone to believe the bs

WUT??? NPR is possibly one of the most reputable media organizations you have. It's one fo the few networks NOT owned by a media conglomerate. This thread is bonkers. I'm going to bed.

According to the 2009 financial statement, about 50% of NPR revenues come from the fees it charges member stations for programming and distribution charges.^[20] Typically, NPR member stations receive funds through on-air pledge drives, corporate underwriting, state and local governments, educational institutions, and the federally funded Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB). In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from federal, state and local government funding, 10% of their revenue from CPB grants, and 14% of their revenue from universities.^[20][34] While NPR does not receive any direct federal funding, it does receive a small number of competitive grants from CPB and federal agencies like the Department of Education and the Department of Commerce. This funding amounts to approximately 2% of NPR's overall revenues.^[20]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Do your research? The media has been coming to this board. We don't need B.S being picked up by the lazy media like the Daily Fail. They can easily find out if P had stage freight by speaking to people who worked with him but no let's say Prince was high on F for 30 year and was so inept he had to buy it from a greasy roadie.

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said:

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No it's not. He OD-ed on prescription pain meds.

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A pain/addiction clinic in California was contacted for help which shows that he had an ongoing problem.

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Case closed.

[Edited 8/23/16 18:08pm]

Who said he did not have a problem with meds. Does that make third degree murder okay because that is what whoever gave him those drugs is looking at. Still a crime.

You missed my point. The other person said the death was mysterious. It's not. And there may not have been a crime. Where is the intent? You are wildly speculating because you are in denial that Prince took these counterfeit pills of his own choice. He was reckless.

One more thing I might add, detoxing, cold turkey from opiates and benzos in a non medical environment will kill you as well. U have to be weened. Your body won't let you just stop. Are there exceptions, yes. But you want to also manage to the rule and not the exception. This shot breaks my heart

lwr001 said:

-- I keep thinking he was not doing this for long because I really think he would have been dead a while ago. He did not pysically look bad until January and still think he had some other issues. The black clothes alone make me think his time was coming soon.

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

yes i am new, thanks for the correction and the kind words

Do your research? The media has been coming to this board. We don't need B.S being picked up by the lazy media like the Daily Fail. They can easily find out if P had stage freight by speaking to people who worked with him but no let's say Prince was high on F for 30 year and was so inept he had to buy it from a greasy roadie.

why are you so angry at everyone?

laurarichardson said:

I have had friends who found out they were in final stages of life, kept it to themselves and went balls to the walls the last month's of their life. They didn't see themselves being laid up in a hosoital, hospice or dependant on someone else for their day to day living. I can respect thst

Superconductor said:

-- Because you don't have one. There are many bits and pieces we do not know so there is mystery. In addition, read the law in Minnesota this is considered third degree murder. His recklessness does not let the person who provided it to him off the hook. The laws does not work that way.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said: Who said he did not have a problem with meds. Does that make third degree murder okay because that is what whoever gave him those drugs is looking at. Still a crime.

You missed my point. The other person said the death was mysterious. It's not. And there may not have been a crime. Where is the intent? You are wildly speculating because you are in denial that Prince took these counterfeit pills of his own choice. He was reckless.

I agree with you here wholeheartedly, apart from the reckless thing. Recklessness implies a rational decision to do something dangerous, and I don't think that's the case if he was addicted. P wasn't a reckless person, very far from it, but he was addicted, so he took them because they were what he had or could get hold of and he needed to take something. It's desperate, and tragic, but not reckless.

laurarichardson said:

What if the person who provided had no clue of the fentanyl either.

herb4 said:

Some people want & buy heroin/meds with fentanyl b/c it's so strong. Not all ODs that have & will occur due to fentanyl being in the mix are because the buyers were unaware.

lwr001 said:

-- I am starting to think this. He did not put a bullet to his head but he was in no hurry to get to a rehab or hospital. Why would he be if something else was taking him down.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said: Who said he did not have a problem with meds. Does that make third degree murder okay because that is what whoever gave him those drugs is looking at. Still a crime.

You missed my point. The other person said the death was mysterious. It's not. And there may not have been a crime. Where is the intent? You are wildly speculating because you are in denial that Prince took these counterfeit pills of his own choice. He was reckless.

As the pills themselves are illicit, selling them is, in fact, illegal. So, yes there was likely a crime committed by someone other than P unless he created the pill himself, which is as ludicrous as the idea that the illuminati killed him.

Whoever sold/gave him the disguised fentanyl pill committed a crime and, since he died from it, could be guilty of third degree murder in MN. In other states it might be considered manslaughter. Kinda like a drunk driver who kills someone in an accident. They didn't mean to do it, but they did. It's quite possible that this person did not know it was fentanyl (if they weren't the dealer). They would still be culpable under the law in some capacity, provided that LE could prove they gave it to P (this could be diffficult to prove I imagine).

I don't think Laura is one who denies that P took a counterfeit pill. It's that he didn't know he was taking fentanyl, which is far more powerful than what he thought he was taking.

laurarichardson said:

But he had reached out 4 professional help.

laurarichardson said:

That I can get with. Could it have been an underlying condition absolutely. That condition hadn't killed him yet. Face it, I can't run the video of prince infirmed I don't doubt he could either. Hell, I can't see myself like that either. Shrugs

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tmo1965 said:

joelmarable said:

i think since the report said prince had pills mixed in a bottle with a few of them being fentanyl, that he did not know it contain that, why would someone knowingly mix there pills ,how would he know which pill was fentanyl,which has me believeing he was slipped this by someone close to him, because not many even knew he was taking pills. someone wanted him dead.

Not really. I think that P was getting the hydrocodone pills off the black market or maybe he had a mixture of old legitimate pills and black market pills. Some of the ones that he got off the black market contained fentanyl and some did not, but they all were labeled the same as legitimate hydrocodone(vicodin). So as far as he knew they were all the same pills. He had no idea that any of the pills contained fentanyl.

dude it does not matter where he got them whoever gave them to him knew they were for prince and knew they contained the deadly fentanyl, prince did not.this is a someone who wanted to do him harm and they pulled a fast one on prince. hope they catch his ass.

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How do you know "whoever have them to him knew they were for Prince & knew they contained the deadly fentanyl?"

lwr001 said:

-- The are still dealing drugs. Plenty of people are in prison because they did not know. I really don't see Prince getting something from the Internet or a back alley. I think he got it from someone he knew and trusted.

NinaB said:

The best part about being high is being high, conversely the worst part about being high is being high. Folks reach out for help in that moment of clarity then the high pulls you back in. It's an insidious disease

lwr001 said:

Morgaine said:

It depends on what state (US) you live in. I have a relative that takes Xanax for panic attacks & breathing issues & doctor has been filling them for over a decade, always a month supply usually 6 months of refills (shows on bottle). IMHO its a much more dangerous drug than opiates due to it suppressing the CNS as you stated.

I agree much more dangerous and you should Def be under a doctor care while taking because if you mix with something else it's going to be a problem. My doc issues in two week intervals and no refill I literally have to call and speak to him and he will call in another. Mind you , so addictive, they can't be written out on a script pad that I drop off

your doctor sucks and is simply using you to bill for excessive "consultations or visits".

and/or there are always those who try to impose their own medical beliefs and practices on their patients, which is improper.