If this Star Tribune article can be trusted (I am a bit skeptical because no other news source seems to have picked up the story), Prince may be a victim of a new trend in drug manufactoring. Counterfit hydrocodone that is actually fentanyl.. That's just unfair. The dude just didn't feel well and was desperately dodging the rules to find help. I don't think just rich entitled celebrities are capable of doing this.

I do not think his clothes being on backwards or remnants of other drugs mean a whole lot more than prince was in pain, was agitated, and couldn't sleep.

It is possible that prince purchased the tainted hydrocodone online or that his doctor (who mysteriously disappeared) provided them or that Kirk Johnson did so.

I hope it wasn't kirk Johnson. I am starting to think maybe it wasn't. I feel kind of bad for assuming.

I do not think the Fentanyl use was at all intentional. Prince made mistakes with his drug usage but he must have known that Fentanyl was extremely dangerous. If he were a fentanyl, I think he would have either died or overdosed several times years ago. Also, why are the police leaning toward the accidental usage of fentanyl. Someone said the pills were labeled incorrectly. This would be why the police would lean toward him not knowing he was taking fentanyl. Otherwise the investigation would go in a different direction toward figuring out Prince purchased fentanyl.

I think the Daily Mail drug dealer just guessed about the fentanyl because he knew how lethal it was and that Prince had died.

I am still quite disturbed that he was left alone however. No excuse for that. That one I can't wrap my head around.

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teach49 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

the source did not say that the pills contained any hydrocodone, they may have, but the article says the pills in the hydrocodone bottle contained fentanyl and he did not have a prescription for fentanyl.

The article I read said the pills were marked. I don't interpret that to mean it was a bottle, although I guess it might have been.

Correct. It says that the PILLS were 'marked', not that they were in a mis-labelled bottle or packet. The PILLS THEMSELVES WERE MADE TO LOOK LIKE HYDROCODONE, ergo, they were being manufactured by an illicit someone who really knew their stuff.

I haven't not read the 19 pages so far and just now logged on...to discover this...but didnt he have on yoga type pants which would be very easy to put on backwards. Hell, I don't do drugs or drink and I've been known to put this type of clothing on wrongside out and backward. Just saying...He was a very intelligent man and was planning a future...suspect he was not aware he was taking fentanyl. As potent as it is, had he been a prior user, it would have killed him long before. Is it odd that it would be released 4 months to the day he died? Other drugs in his system...wonder if they were part of the fentanyl mix or other drugs he had taken ..this mix didnt help either.. More will be revealed....makes me want to weep.

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Well, my "yeah that" is missplaced.

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CooperC62057 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Bingo! Now who the F gave him this shit!!!??? I pray they find rhem. I believe the police are leaking bits of information. They do that as part of the process when they are at a certain point or looking for something in particular or if an announcement of indictment is coming.

Exactly. Thank God someone posted the link to a real legit article showing that this is happening. He may have known he was taking Vicodin but I don't believe for a minute he suspected it could contain fentanyl. That's where it makes his death a murder. He didn't OD on Vicodin.

teach49 said:

CooperC62057 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said: Exactly. Thank God someone posted the link to a real legit article showing that this is happening. He may have known he was taking Vicodin but I don't believe for a minute he suspected it could contain fentanyl. That's where it makes his death a murder. He didn't OD on Vicodin.

the crucial thing here is the drug being something other than what it was purported to be. i dont know the law but that would make it some degree of murder.

we also dont know if he took one pill or 10 - one pill is a mistake (him not knowing) 10 pills is suicide.
they;ve said accidental - so i'm assuming it was one pill, or something that matched a dose he would normally take...

im so sorry and sad and feeling guilty to even be grasping in this manner - i feel such a desperate need to to know WTF HAPPENED AND WHY.

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NinaB said:

Wasn't everyone saying it was a Fentanyl patch he self administered before? I'm confused

You know, people said that, but I don't think it was ever confirmed, even in a news article. I think it was an assumption.

ashleypaisley said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

teach49 said:

teach49 said:

NinaB said:

Wasn't everyone saying it was a Fentanyl patch he self administered before? I'm confused

You know, people said that, but I don't think it was ever confirmed, even in a news article. I think it was an assumption.

People assumed that due to the fake article that was released with the fake drug dealer holding up a fentanyl patch. Yeah I say fake because that article came out way too fast and was way too detailed to be real. It was designed to plant a seed in folks minds so 5 weeks later when the autopsy results came out, folks would say, oh yeah, fentanyl patch, that makes sense, isnt that the same patch his drug dealer was holding up in that pic? Case closed.

Just my opinion of course, but that is the logic that makes sense to me. And honestly, what kind of autopsy report could ever rule that something was self administered, that sounds more like an assumption to me, which has no place in an autopsy report. It's like saying kurt cobain died of an accidental suicide, how the F could that ever be determined lol.

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Superfan1984 said:

Actually, I had pretty much come to my own conclusion that he had committed suicide- place himself in elevator- picked the date (3121 / April 21- Sometimes it snows in April) updated his org profile before placing himself in elevator (because I feel I know who he is on here even if others don't agree) --- so if that is what happened, could he have been trying to relay a message with the backwards clothes? More of the strange symbolism associated with his death? Instagram symbol, Twitter eye opening etc.?

Lol right? Because I can't tell who is joking and who is being serious anymore.

NinaB said:

purplerabbithole said:

morningsong said:

Everything was on wrong? Everything but underwear? Everything? Both socks inside out?

He was probably wearing underwear at the time. But when he went to grab his clothes they were on the floor or something (like maybe he had taken them off earlier and then after taking the pills just grabbed them off the floor throwing them on the way they laid.

ME's original report mentions he was wearing black boxer briefs.

purplerabbithole said:

morningsong said:

Everything was on wrong? Everything but underwear? Everything? Both socks inside out?

He was probably wearing underwear at the time. But when he went to grab his clothes they were on the floor or something (like maybe he had taken them off earlier and then after taking the pills just grabbed them off the floor throwing them on the way they laid.

1Sasha said:

How do the previous ER visits - I think Kirk told the authorities there were two for Prince himself over the past couple of years - tie into what ultimately happened? Maybe they don't. Of course, the information is confidential, but ... This time period would tie in with when his appearance started to change markedly.

Sepsis

purplerabbithole said:

morningsong said:

Everything was on wrong? Everything but underwear? Everything? Both socks inside out?

He was probably wearing underwear at the time. But when he went to grab his clothes they were on the floor or something (like maybe he had taken them off earlier and then after taking the pills just grabbed them off the floor throwing them on the way they laid.

ME's report said he was wearing black boxer briefs

the other question in my mind is the 'illicit' aspect of this...

prince took the drugs thinking they were something else.

but he still took drugs that werent legally prescribed.

he was comfortable enough to take the pills - which means he was comfortable with this source, which speaks to prior experience with the situation. so how long was he obtaining medication outside traditional means?

terrig said:

NinaB said:

teach49 said:

You know, people said that, but I don't think it was ever confirmed, even in a news article. I think it was an assumption.

Yes I was thinking maybe that was it. My head's hurting. Any actual new facts/info in the last 10 pages I've not read?

It is incredibly confusing, especially since speculation is often stated as fact. I try to say when I'm speculating, but over time things just get confused.

Remember the thread that analyzed his use of arm bands?

teach49 said:

NinaB said:

terrig said:

the other question in my mind is the 'illicit' aspect of this...

prince took the drugs thinking they were something else.

but he still took drugs that werent legally prescribed.

he was comfortable enough to take the pills - which means he was comfortable with this source, which speaks to prior experience with the situation. so how long was he obtaining medication outside traditional means?

& why outside of traditional means

Do doctors ever give pain meds as samples? I've not had one do this before but they have given me other meds to either use until we see how I react or until the prescription is filled. Or for something they they'd only give one of.

I just think the missing doctor plays into this. And...do we know he's really gone AWOL? We know he left his job almost immediately and no one has been able to reach him, but that doesn't mean that LE hasn't interviewed him or that they don't know where he is.

BillieBalloon said:

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