I was thinking the same too and the more I look at this threat from Londell's post... it seems there are instructions left behind from Prince to have them carried out legally and it raises questions about a Will or a Legal Document in existence?

luv4u said:

morningsong said:

Uh Oh.

I had a feeling this would happen. Just a matter of time...........

Judge Eide has issued an order excluding several parties as heirs:

April Seward, Martha Samuels, James Womack, Priscilla Williams, Lorraine Huddleston, Dana Nettles, Jonette Carter, Michael Samuels, Nicole White, Michael Darling, Mia Dragojevich, Claire Boyd and Maurice Soledad are excluded as heirs of the Decedent’s Estate as a matter of law.... The following persons claiming to be the father of the Decedent, or the descendant of the father of the Decedent, and that the father of the Decedent is someone other than John L. Nelson, are excluded as heirs of the Decedent as a matter of law: Loyal James Gresham, Jr., Loya Wilson, Loyal James Gresham III, Darcell Johnston, Orrine Gresham, Paul Leonard Newman, Regina Sorenson, Haywood Nelson, Sr., Roskco Motes, Alfred Jackson, Sr. and Venita Jackson-Leverette.

The order also has denied the paternity claims of 5 unidentified persons claiming to be Prince's children, and requires Brianna Nelson, V.N. [Victoria], John Nelson, Norrine Nelson, Sharon Nelson and Tyka Nelson to undergo genetic testing.

EnDoRpHn said:

Judge Eide has issued an order excluding several parties as heirs:

April Seward, Martha Samuels, James Womack, Priscilla Williams, Lorraine Huddleston, Dana Nettles, Jonette Carter, Michael Samuels, Nicole White, Michael Darling, Mia Dragojevich, Claire Boyd and Maurice Soledad are excluded as heirs of the Decedent’s Estate as a matter of law.... The following persons claiming to be the father of the Decedent, or the descendant of the father of the Decedent, and that the father of the Decedent is someone other than John L. Nelson, are excluded as heirs of the Decedent as a matter of law: Loyal James Gresham, Jr., Loya Wilson, Loyal James Gresham III, Darcell Johnston, Orrine Gresham, Paul Leonard Newman, Regina Sorenson, Haywood Nelson, Sr., Roskco Motes, Alfred Jackson, Sr. and Venita Jackson-Leverette.

The order also has denied the paternity claims of 5 unidentified persons claiming to be Prince's children, and requires Brianna Nelson, V.N. [Victoria], John Nelson, Norrine Nelson, Sharon Nelson and Tyka Nelson to undergo genetic testing.

Interesting read

EnDoRpHn said:

Judge Eide has issued an order excluding several parties as heirs:

April Seward, Martha Samuels, James Womack, Priscilla Williams, Lorraine Huddleston, Dana Nettles, Jonette Carter, Michael Samuels, Nicole White, Michael Darling, Mia Dragojevich, Claire Boyd and Maurice Soledad are excluded as heirs of the Decedent’s Estate as a matter of law.... The following persons claiming to be the father of the Decedent, or the descendant of the father of the Decedent, and that the father of the Decedent is someone other than John L. Nelson, are excluded as heirs of the Decedent as a matter of law: Loyal James Gresham, Jr., Loya Wilson, Loyal James Gresham III, Darcell Johnston, Orrine Gresham, Paul Leonard Newman, Regina Sorenson, Haywood Nelson, Sr., Roskco Motes, Alfred Jackson, Sr. and Venita Jackson-Leverette.

The order also has denied the paternity claims of 5 unidentified persons claiming to be Prince's children, and requires Brianna Nelson, V.N. [Victoria], John Nelson, Norrine Nelson, Sharon Nelson and Tyka Nelson to undergo genetic testing.

I am confused as to why Alfred is excluded as an heir.

EnDoRpHn said:

Judge Eide has issued an order excluding several parties as heirs:

April Seward, Martha Samuels, James Womack, Priscilla Williams, Lorraine Huddleston, Dana Nettles, Jonette Carter, Michael Samuels, Nicole White, Michael Darling, Mia Dragojevich, Claire Boyd and Maurice Soledad are excluded as heirs of the Decedent’s Estate as a matter of law.... The following persons claiming to be the father of the Decedent, or the descendant of the father of the Decedent, and that the father of the Decedent is someone other than John L. Nelson, are excluded as heirs of the Decedent as a matter of law: Loyal James Gresham, Jr., Loya Wilson, Loyal James Gresham III, Darcell Johnston, Orrine Gresham, Paul Leonard Newman, Regina Sorenson, Haywood Nelson, Sr., Roskco Motes, Alfred Jackson, Sr. and Venita Jackson-Leverette.

The order also has denied the paternity claims of 5 unidentified persons claiming to be Prince's children, and requires Brianna Nelson, V.N. [Victoria], John Nelson, Norrine Nelson, Sharon Nelson and Tyka Nelson to undergo genetic testing.

So they're narrowing down siblings too?

Im still totally confused as to why they denied Alfred Jackson. His mother was Mattie Shaw. It is on his birth certificate.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im still totally confused as to why they denied Alfred Jackson. His mother was Mattie Shaw. It is on his birth certificate.

It says Alfred Jackson Sr. in the ruling? Is it another person?

selah said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im still totally confused as to why they denied Alfred Jackson. His mother was Mattie Shaw. It is on his birth certificate.

It says Alfred Jackson Sr. in the ruling? Is it another person?

Re-reading the decision, it appears the Judge is only using John L. Nelson as the established father of decedent and only those children who share him as a father can inherit? WTF? Minnesota law is absurd. Alfred's mother was Mattie so Prince is most assuredly his half brother. WTF? WTF? This is going to be litigated to a higher court. P's Estate will go on FOREVER~!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

selah said:

It says Alfred Jackson Sr. in the ruling? Is it another person?

Re-reading the decision, it appears the Judge is only using John L. Nelson as the established father of decedent and only those children who share him as a father can inherit? WTF? Minnesota law is absurd. Alfred's mother was Mattie so Prince is most assuredly his half brother. WTF? WTF? This is going to be litigated to a higher court. P's Estate will go on FOREVER~!

Really...only the children of John L. Nelson??? I was going to say Alfred Jackson, Sr. was the father of Alfred Jackson, Jr. (Prince's brother) but, I assumed the senior was deceased anyway. smh, what is going on here.

Sameyear58 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Re-reading the decision, it appears the Judge is only using John L. Nelson as the established father of decedent and only those children who share him as a father can inherit? WTF? Minnesota law is absurd. Alfred's mother was Mattie so Prince is most assuredly his half brother. WTF? WTF? This is going to be litigated to a higher court. P's Estate will go on FOREVER~!

Really...only the children of John L. Nelson??? I was going to say Alfred Jackson, Sr. was the father of Alfred Jackson, Jr. (Prince's brother) but, I assumed the senior was deceased anyway. smh, what is going on here.

That makes no sense, since Omar is his mother's son, no?

Kobe said:

I was thinking the same too and the more I look at this threat from Londell's post... it seems there are instructions left behind from Prince to have them carried out legally and it raises questions about a Will or a Legal Document in existence?

luv4u said:

I had a feeling this would happen. Just a matter of time...........

I can only assume it is what the family currently wants done. Protecting his legacy and any and all copyright issues.

selah said:

Sameyear58 said:

Really...only the children of John L. Nelson??? I was going to say Alfred Jackson, Sr. was the father of Alfred Jackson, Jr. (Prince's brother) but, I assumed the senior was deceased anyway. smh, what is going on here.

That makes no sense, since Omar is his mother's son, no?

The Judge left Omarr out of the Order? He wasnt even addressed. huh?

Yes, you are right, they used the name Alfred Jackson, Sr instead of Jr.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

selah said:

That makes no sense, since Omar is his mother's son, no?

The Judge left Omarr out of the Order? He wasnt even addressed. huh?

Yes, you are right, they used the name Alfred Jackson, Sr instead of Jr.

with reference to a previous news item:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-case-heads-back-to-minnesota-courtroom/384482541/

near the end it says: "Claimants who disputed Prince's parentage pushed for a broader view of eligibility. James Selmer represents Venita Jackson Leverette, who claims that Prince's real father was Alfred Jackson Sr. and that she is Prince's half-sister."

luv4u said:

Kobe said:

I was thinking the same too and the more I look at this threat from Londell's post... it seems there are instructions left behind from Prince to have them carried out legally and it raises questions about a Will or a Legal Document in existence?

I can only assume it is what the family currently wants done. Protecting his legacy and any and all copyright issues.

I said this a couple of weeks ago: Bremer's legal and fiduciary obligation is to protect and maximize the value of all estate assets. That means, among other things, asserting copyright. They don't need instructions from Prince or his family -- it just is what it is.

[Edited 7/29/16 11:36am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

selah said:

It says Alfred Jackson Sr. in the ruling? Is it another person?

Re-reading the decision, it appears the Judge is only using John L. Nelson as the established father of decedent and only those children who share him as a father can inherit? WTF? Minnesota law is absurd. Alfred's mother was Mattie so Prince is most assuredly his half brother. WTF? WTF? This is going to be litigated to a higher court. P's Estate will go on FOREVER~!

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This ruling is based on only those siblings' who claim that their relationship is through John L. Nelson.

Alfred Jackson and Omarr Baker's claims will be handled separately, as they are not claiming lineage from John L.

It all has to be done a piece at a time.

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EnDoRpHn said:

luv4u said:

I can only assume it is what the family currently wants done. Protecting his legacy and any and all copyright issues.

I said this a couple of weeks ago: Bremer's legal and fiduciary obligation is to protect and maximize the value of all estate assets. That means, among other things, asserting copyright. They don't need instructions from Prince or his family -- it just is what it is.

[Edited 7/29/16 11:36am]

yep

laytonian said:

morningsong said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Judge Eide has issued an order excluding several parties as heirs:

April Seward, Martha Samuels, James Womack, Priscilla Williams, Lorraine Huddleston, Dana Nettles, Jonette Carter, Michael Samuels, Nicole White, Michael Darling, Mia Dragojevich, Claire Boyd and Maurice Soledad are excluded as heirs of the Decedent’s Estate as a matter of law.... The following persons claiming to be the father of the Decedent, or the descendant of the father of the Decedent, and that the father of the Decedent is someone other than John L. Nelson, are excluded as heirs of the Decedent as a matter of law: Loyal James Gresham, Jr., Loya Wilson, Loyal James Gresham III, Darcell Johnston, Orrine Gresham, Paul Leonard Newman, Regina Sorenson, Haywood Nelson, Sr., Roskco Motes, Alfred Jackson, Sr. and Venita Jackson-Leverette.

The order also has denied the paternity claims of 5 unidentified persons claiming to be Prince's children, and requires Brianna Nelson, V.N. [Victoria], John Nelson, Norrine Nelson, Sharon Nelson and Tyka Nelson to undergo genetic testing.

So they're narrowing down siblings too?

thanks for the document- so much in it! I have so much respect for this judge, who seems to be working through this so carefully and with such diligence. I just read it all. To answer, they are not narrowing down siblings, but instead testing to see if 2 more might be added ( brianna and VN).

To clarify for anyone concerned about Omar Baker and Alfred ( frank alonzo ) Jackson (Prince's half siblings, they all share a mom- Mattie), they have already been established as half siblings, so that's already done and not being questioned or changed. (see court docs 7/20 confirming they by law recognised as half siblings). This order that came out today wasnt dealing with them but was looking at other matters. So this isn't in question.

As for the genetic testing now required for Tyka and the other 3 half siblings (John, Norrine and Sharon) all of whom have John L legally recognised as their dad, these 4 are already recognised by law as Prince's sibling or half sibling (see 7/20 docs), so that's not at stake. The reason the judge seems to be ordering them to have genetic testing now is to test out whether there is a match with Brianna and VN who are claiming Duane ( Brianna's Dad and VN's granddad) is the son of John L. The judge recognises their may have a valid claim and is giving them the opportunity to prove it. Will be interesting to see how Tyka and the other 3 half siblings feel about submitting to the tests, especially since on 7/25 Tyka and the other 5 siblings ( ie including omar and alfred) filed a petition asking to be declared as the heirs.

On another topic, regarding potential children- in this order the judge disqualified Children 1-5 ( though he left door open in case child 1 can prove they were adopted by prince, though they seem to have no evidence). However from my reading of the docs, it seems that leaves 2 more potential heirs unaccounted for here, as in the previous documents regarding claims there were 7 claimants. ( 7 are listed in this court doc 7/22 order sealing heirship affadavits.) so I guess two are still being considered.

YaThink said:

laytonian said:

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This ruling is based on only those siblings' who claim that their relationship is through John L. Nelson.

Alfred Jackson and Omarr Baker's claims will be handled separately, as they are not claiming lineage from John L.

It all has to be done a piece at a time.

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Correct, and in addition, it's one sure fire way of proving fatherhood since it's what most of the objections stem from. If they line them all up, it's proof positive they all come from John L. Nelson. Omarr and Alfred Jr are excluded because there is no objection to the mother of Prince.

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Omarr isn't ready to bring his case yet; he keeps changing attorneys. Alfred Jr has issues.

BUT I am sure that both will be subjected to the same DNA sequencing by the courts. In this case, they can use mitochondrial DNA (which would show that they all were born of the same mother).

The courts will have to use the same standard on all heirs. Otherwise, that would open it up to further suits.

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I've decided that there's a good reason Prince left no will: he knew that his family tree had too many branches.

Without DNAing everyone in the "family", what could he do legally? If he'd left some out, there'd be challenges to a will.

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The 7/20 documents noted above are only Affidavits of Heirship for Omarr and Alfred. Not a signed Order by the Judge recognizing them as legal heirs. Same for the other siblings. The 7/20 documents were Affidavits and not an Order signed by the Judge recognizing them as legal heirs.

I think the other 2 claimants of the 7 are Briana and VN. There are part of the 7 sealed Affidavits.

[Edited 7/29/16 12:38pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The 7/20 documents noted above are only Affidavits of Heirship for Omarr and Alfred. Not a signed Order by the Judge recognizing them as legal heirs. Same for the other siblings. The 7/20 documents were Affidavits and not an Order signed by the Judge recognizing them as legal heirs.

I think the other 2 claimants of the 7 are Briana and VN. There are part of the 7 sealed Affidavits.

[Edited 7/29/16 12:38pm]

Ah yes, I see that! Thanks for clarifying. I see the special administrator, not the judge, legally recognises Tyka and the other 5, as sibling and half siblings, but they are still waiting to be named heirs.

Regarding the claimants to being a child of prince, this makes sense that Briana and VN are the other two. So thats all accounted for. So from what you have read, does that mean that it's all over for any other claims from potential children of Prince? so now its only a case of whether Briana and VN are in or out?

selah said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Im still totally confused as to why they denied Alfred Jackson. His mother was Mattie Shaw. It is on his birth certificate.

It says Alfred Jackson Sr. in the ruling? Is it another person?

Alfred Jackson Sr was Alfred Jackson's (Prince's half-brother from his mother) father. So it's Prince's bother's dad and that person's offspring who are being excluded.

leftcoast said:

Wow! Tyka must have a genetic test. Interesting. I did not think there was any doubt about her being his sister (or half sister, at least.)

I find that to be odd as well. Prince's siblings from his mother should be determined automatically as heirs because no matter who their father is, they are still Prince's blood siblings. I wonder if this is an oversight on the judge's part?

YaThink said:

laytonian said:

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This ruling is based on only those siblings' who claim that their relationship is through John L. Nelson.

Alfred Jackson and Omarr Baker's claims will be handled separately, as they are not claiming lineage from John L.

It all has to be done a piece at a time.

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Correct, and in addition, it's one sure fire way of proving fatherhood since it's what most of the objections stem from. If they line them all up, it's proof positive they all come from John L. Nelson. Omarr and Alfred Jr are excluded because there is no objection to the mother of Prince.

But why are they making Tyka take a DNA test? She is Prince's sibling through their mother.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

tmo1965 said:

YaThink said:

laytonian said: Correct, and in addition, it's one sure fire way of proving fatherhood since it's what most of the objections stem from. If they line them all up, it's proof positive they all come from John L. Nelson. Omarr and Alfred Jr are excluded because there is no objection to the mother of Prince.

But why are they making Tyka take a DNA test? She is Prince's sibling through their mother.

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It's the final step in naming heirs; nothing can be left to chance.

Comparsing everyone against each other, genetically, is a wise move in this case where there are so many relationship claims.

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tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said: