This follows on from the point I made earlier re books that are speculating about who songs are about/attributed to and Prince's personal life/relationships/muses/motivations/drivers etc and whether they're accurate. (As opposed to books that refer to factual/technical things to do with recording, touring, sales etc).

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Many of you may already be aware of this. I posted a thread today "Genius in Short" which links to an article that appeared in The Guardian on 19 Feb 2006 by Barney Hoskyns, where he quotes Prince's stance in the early-mid 1990's re people he worked with speculating about his music - who his songs are about, what his source of inspiration was etc.

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"A decade later when I met him again in a hotel suite in London, it was more Mona Lisa than Cheshire Cat - coolly supercilious, ultimately indecipherable. Then, he took me to task for things other people had told me about him, hooting uproariously at the notion that any of them was in a position to talk about him. The fact that one, engineer Susan Rogers, had sat by his side on hundreds of occasions at his Paisley Park studio carried little weight with him.

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'You think Susan Rogers knows me?' he asked. 'You think she knows anything about my music? Susan Rogers, for the record, doesn't know anything about my music. Not one thing. The only person who knows anything about my music [pause for very pointed effect]... is me .' "

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This creates a problem for any book that's quoting Susan Rogers or any other colleague, as they need to be interpreted with caution depending on what's being discussed. eg. the story around the song Wally

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Not only are the books wrong about a whole suite of songs and who they're about but so is Prince Vault as it quotes them. And no one's bothered to update it even though Prince clarified this 20 years ago.

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That's why it becomes so important to follow what HE actually says about his music - who he dedicates songs to, what he inserts into song lyrics when he performs live, the story the lyrics are actually telling you etc. That's the closest we have to knowing about alot of his heartfelt songs until we get his book

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D and P is way under rated. The worst parts of it are Tony M an dthe song Jughead which is mostly Tony M. There is a lot of good stuff on this album. Gett Off, Insatiable, Thunder, Cream, Diamonds and Pearls, Strollin, Walk don't walk and Willing and able are all at least very good songs and Insatiable is universally seen as one of his finest seduction ballads ever.

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Some people and authors di it, because it was desperate trend chasing with all the Tony M input and the songs shorn of their Tony M rapping sound almost like GB and Lovesexy Redux. Also the songs Jugnead and Push bring the record down. Yes it sounds a lot like a pop rap album circa 1989 - 1992, and does not have a new jack sound, so at least there is enough to suggest it is still a Prince album under all the overdubs and third rate rapping.

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Also the argument it was a trend chaser is silly, as Prince stopped leading the pack back in the Lovesexy days, Batman sounds like any late 1980s dance music like S express or Marrs and some maudling late Lovesexy era jams in the vocal songs. Batman is way worse that Diamonds and Pearls and GB has good Prince songs (Well GB aint that good neither is NPG part 2), but larded down like Trivial Pursuit said "A shitastic movie " - should get quote of the year, nearly shit myself reading that (Where is that tick tick bang gif when we need it?) and also some very sub par associate songs (Melody cool and Release it, anyone?). So we could safely say after that, we were not expecting 1999 mark 2 as the next album.

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Plusyou all forget that Diamonds and Pearls along with Purple Rain, picked up a shitload of new fans, some who have gone on to be hardcore like myself and Captain from the Peach and Black podcast. A lot of us had enough brains to see this was an airconditioned door at the entrance to Prince fandom and many of us dug deeper to see Prince had made many much better albums. I still like D and P, it's a soilid 7/10 album for me.

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Not sure about sales there, but here(NZ) and in Australia, Diamonds and Pearls and its singles were huge hits here, thanks to several DJ's promoting it and the tour to Australia (Many richer and older Kiwis simply went to the Sydney or Melbourne shows) and some of this hit afterglow lasted into the Symbol era. Also I am not sure but D and P is the next biggest seller after Purple Rain and its only other competition might be the Batman album which was also huge.

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Also Symbol does not get the amount of shit D and P does and really Symbol was its sequel with more terrible rapping and self indulgent rubbish amongst the gems (Damn U is a gem). It also had a lot less hits (2 real hits Sexy MF and 7) and a lot more shitty rapping by Tony M, yet it gets mostly love from the community.

PeteSilas said:

Identity said:

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I think he drew inspiration for high-waisted pants and short coats from the traditional clothing that Spanish bullfighters wear.

ya, that's what i was trying to think of, matador.

And they're hot.

This creates a problem for any book that's quoting Susan Rogers or any other colleague, as they need to be interpreted with caution depending on what's being discussed. eg. the story around the song Wally

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Not only are the books wrong about a whole suite of songs and who they're about but so is Prince Vault as it quotes them. And no one's bothered to update it even though Prince clarified this 20 years ago.

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That's why it becomes so important to follow what HE actually says about his music - who he dedicates songs to, what he inserts into song lyrics when he performs live, the story the lyrics are actually telling you etc. That's the closest we have to knowing about alot of his heartfelt songs until we get his book

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r u serious? r u new to prince and his counter tactics mentioned in posts in this thread? r u naive? if anything, it tells you how much susan rogers is telling the truth. prince loved to egg people on,esp reporters and inteviewers, just to "take the high road" or get preachy. as much as i apprciate where P is coming from, no one's gonna tell me that people who recorded every note with him don't know what the hell was going on. how could they not! P said shit like that in a lame attempt to throw people off the trail. he was VERY easily given to revisionism. i would love to read the 50 or so pages of prose he had written before he died, but i'd take the content with a grain of salt.

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he could've kept away alot of the speculation about his life amir,all of it, if he had just made a simple statement :"please respect me and my family's privacy in this difficult time." shit like that would have been so simple. he was a drama queen.

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don't know why people think Dez had no good things to say about P. in person, the handful of times i mentioned working w/ p he was cool,complimentary-no weirdness, nothing salty. the only "prince books" i don't have are the ronin ro and the one written by the woman, i skimmed it way back and thought it was crap. from everything I've read Dez has no axe to grind and takes it all in stride. he's nothing like bitter ex employee, imo. it was andre who got salty thru the 80's, not Dez.

Adorecream said:

and also some very sub par associate songs (Melody cool and Release it, anyone?).

Hey now, Release It is my shit. LOVE that track...

wavesofbliss said:

This creates a problem for any book that's quoting Susan Rogers or any other colleague, as they need to be interpreted with caution depending on what's being discussed. eg. the story around the song Wally

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Not only are the books wrong about a whole suite of songs and who they're about but so is Prince Vault as it quotes them. And no one's bothered to update it even though Prince clarified this 20 years ago.

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That's why it becomes so important to follow what HE actually says about his music - who he dedicates songs to, what he inserts into song lyrics when he performs live, the story the lyrics are actually telling you etc. That's the closest we have to knowing about alot of his heartfelt songs until we get his book

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r u serious? r u new to prince and his counter tactics mentioned in posts in this thread? r u naive? if anything, it tells you how much susan rogers is telling the truth. prince loved to egg people on,esp reporters and inteviewers, just to "take the high road" or get preachy. as much as i apprciate where P is coming from, no one's gonna tell me that people who recorded every note with him don't know what the hell was going on. how could they not! P said shit like that in a lame attempt to throw people off the trail. he was VERY easily given to revisionism. i would love to read the 50 or so pages of prose he had written before he died, but i'd take the content with a grain of salt.

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he could've kept away alot of the speculation about his life amir,all of it, if he had just made a simple statement :"please respect me and my family's privacy in this difficult time." shit like that would have been so simple. he was a drama queen.

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don't know why people think Dez had no good things to say about P. in person, the handful of times i mentioned working w/ p he was cool,complimentary-no weirdness, nothing salty. the only "prince books" i don't have are the ronin ro and the one written by the woman, i skimmed it way back and thought it was crap. from everything I've read Dez has no axe to grind and takes it all in stride. he's nothing like bitter ex employee, imo. it was andre who got salty thru the 80's, not Dez.

All this. Exactly. How do those that believe everything Prince said reconcile the contradictions or the proveable false statements? I will always love Prince but, he always had an agenda with interviews.

Also, I've met Dez twice and read his book. Most of what he says regarding Prince is positive.

It's ok. You're entitled to your own opinion. I understand he isn't perfect. And I also understand that this can be challenging to take in.

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In 2006, Susan Rogers acknowledged and agreed with Prince's statement when asked:

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Q: In an interview Prince said " 'You think Susan Rogers knows me?' he asked. 'You think she knows anything about my music? Susan Rogers, for the record, doesn't know anything about my music. Not one thing. The only person who knows anything about my music [pause for very pointed effect]... is me .' " How do you feel about this?

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A: "Yes, Prince is correct on this...Only he knows what inspired a song or he wanted his music to say...As for knowing him as a person, I have said for the record that I am only qualified to speak on his studio life from 1983 to 1888. His life beyond the studio doors, outside of that time period, is not known to me. Since, he has had a rich life I don't entirely know him."

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Source: Housequake Interview, 2006

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If you'd like a link I can send one.

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i stand by my comment.

wavesofbliss said:

This creates a problem for any book that's quoting Susan Rogers or any other colleague, as they need to be interpreted with caution depending on what's being discussed. eg. the story around the song Wally

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Not only are the books wrong about a whole suite of songs and who they're about but so is Prince Vault as it quotes them. And no one's bothered to update it even though Prince clarified this 20 years ago.

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That's why it becomes so important to follow what HE actually says about his music - who he dedicates songs to, what he inserts into song lyrics when he performs live, the story the lyrics are actually telling you etc. That's the closest we have to knowing about alot of his heartfelt songs until we get his book

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r u serious? r u new to prince and his counter tactics mentioned in posts in this thread? r u naive? if anything, it tells you how much susan rogers is telling the truth. prince loved to egg people on,esp reporters and inteviewers, just to "take the high road" or get preachy. as much as i apprciate where P is coming from, no one's gonna tell me that people who recorded every note with him don't know what the hell was going on. how could they not! P said shit like that in a lame attempt to throw people off the trail. he was VERY easily given to revisionism. i would love to read the 50 or so pages of prose he had written before he died, but i'd take the content with a grain of salt.

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he could've kept away alot of the speculation about his life amir,all of it, if he had just made a simple statement :"please respect me and my family's privacy in this difficult time." shit like that would have been so simple. he was a drama queen.

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don't know why people think Dez had no good things to say about P. in person, the handful of times i mentioned working w/ p he was cool,complimentary-no weirdness, nothing salty. the only "prince books" i don't have are the ronin ro and the one written by the woman, i skimmed it way back and thought it was crap. from everything I've read Dez has no axe to grind and takes it all in stride. he's nothing like bitter ex employee, imo. it was andre who got salty thru the 80's, not Dez.

I believe most of the people who worked for Prince in that era had some resentments. Gayle Chapman left because she didn't want to act like a ho. Andre left for whatever reason, probably because he was giving up a lot of ideas. Dez wasn't happy towards the end of his tenure, probably wanting more limelight. Most of those people tried and failed on their own. I don't think Dez was super bitter, but he was pretty honest in some of his criticisms, if he really liked the guy, he probably wouldn't have said some of those things. I'm not saying he's wrong for saying those things but when you love someone, you don't say negative things about them in public, even if you know that it's true. It's been so long at this point that I doubt Dez is even remotely the same person. I've read some of his facebook stuff, none of it discussed music, he's into religion and politics now and it sounds like he does some day job that has nothing to do with music.

PeteSilas said:

I believe most of the people who worked for Prince in that era had some resentments. Gayle Chapman left because she didn't want to act like a ho. Andre left for whatever reason, probably because he was giving up a lot of ideas. Dez wasn't happy towards the end of his tenure, probably wanting more limelight. Most of those people tried and failed on their own. I don't think Dez was super bitter, but he was pretty honest in some of his criticisms, if he really liked the guy, he probably wouldn't have said some of those things. I'm not saying he's wrong for saying those things but when you love someone, you don't say negative things about them in public, even if you know that it's true. It's been so long at this point that I doubt Dez is even remotely the same person. I've read some of his facebook stuff, none of it discussed music, he's into religion and politics now and it sounds like he does some day job that has nothing to do with music.

ermmm, not according to those people in their own words. gayle was made uncomfortable by the sexy weirdness,but also because she knew it was always going to be all about P and she had her own plans for her own music. she also hated to jam all the time.she wanted to rehearse songs or go home. she still gigs around and doesn't sound at all bitter, twisted or weird. also she hated pepe willie who was hanging around during that period- she calles him an asshole. she still talks to matt fink.

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andre was the most cranky and disgruntled. just plain resentful, for all the personal stuff as well as the musical ideas prince kept stealing. also because Dez was more of a #2 than he was and that hurt his feelings.(from dez's mouth to my ear. he was there, i wasn't). dez had experience that andre didn't have and had a different insight on the proceedings. plus, p felt competitve with andre and didn't dez. so p was pulling all that guy bullshit/office intrigue with him. according to B. Anderson, andre was too headstrong and p couldn't control him. it was bound to come to a head.

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Dez has always made it clear, in print that have read and talking to him, that he left when his contract was up. he didn't re-sign because his conscience couldn't take anymore. he said the convo he had w/p about it was that D was going to have to sign on for another 3 yrs and Dez knew he couldn't do it. D told me as well as several biographers that he was left on the payroll for nearly a year after leaving. he did admit to things getting "stressful" in the band before he left. i took that to mean all the he was being a pain in the ass before he left. but he said it was him being exhausted by being pulled 2 ways which is why he knew he couldn't stay.

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you have an interesting idea was what trying and failing is. you seem to believe anyone who left the band wanted to be famous. i would say that andre was the only one of the 3 people you mentioned that thought he was going to be the new prince and failed. he has/had steadywork for 30+ yrs as a producer. not prince or madonna or mj, but hardly a failure.

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i'm not on facebook so i have no idea about dez's commentary. i could never get my hands on a copy of his book. when i met him in nashville he and the family had just been there a few years and both of them were working in the christian music industry. i assumed it was sparrow music but he mentioned another smaller label. i believe he was head artistic director or head of a&r,can't remember. i have friends who are in franklin,tn and he apparently moved his family and business out there. i think he is still in entertainment, but more managerial,although he recorded at least 1 christian cd that i know of. again,not prince or madonna or mj but not a failure.

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wavesofbliss said:

PeteSilas said:

I believe most of the people who worked for Prince in that era had some resentments. Gayle Chapman left because she didn't want to act like a ho. Andre left for whatever reason, probably because he was giving up a lot of ideas. Dez wasn't happy towards the end of his tenure, probably wanting more limelight. Most of those people tried and failed on their own. I don't think Dez was super bitter, but he was pretty honest in some of his criticisms, if he really liked the guy, he probably wouldn't have said some of those things. I'm not saying he's wrong for saying those things but when you love someone, you don't say negative things about them in public, even if you know that it's true. It's been so long at this point that I doubt Dez is even remotely the same person. I've read some of his facebook stuff, none of it discussed music, he's into religion and politics now and it sounds like he does some day job that has nothing to do with music.

ermmm, not according to those people in their own words. gayle was made uncomfortable by the sexy weirdness,but also because she knew it was always going to be all about P and she had her own plans for her own music. she also hated to jam all the time.she wanted to rehearse songs or go home. she still gigs around and doesn't sound at all bitter, twisted or weird. also she hated pepe willie who was hanging around during that period- she calles him an asshole. she still talks to matt fink.

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andre was the most cranky and disgruntled. just plain resentful, for all the personal stuff as well as the musical ideas prince kept stealing. also because Dez was more of a #2 than he was and that hurt his feelings.(from dez's mouth to my ear. he was there, i wasn't). dez had experience that andre didn't have and had a different insight on the proceedings. plus, p felt competitve with andre and didn't dez. so p was pulling all that guy bullshit/office intrigue with him. according to B. Anderson, andre was too headstrong and p couldn't control him. it was bound to come to a head.

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Dez has always made it clear, in print that have read and talking to him, that he left when his contract was up. he didn't re-sign because his conscience couldn't take anymore. he said the convo he had w/p about it was that D was going to have to sign on for another 3 yrs and Dez knew he couldn't do it. D told me as well as several biographers that he was left on the payroll for nearly a year after leaving. he did admit to things getting "stressful" in the band before he left. i took that to mean all the he was being a pain in the ass before he left. but he said it was him being exhausted by being pulled 2 ways which is why he knew he couldn't stay.

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you have an interesting idea was what trying and failing is. you seem to believe anyone who left the band wanted to be famous. i would say that andre was the only one of the 3 people you mentioned that thought he was going to be the new prince and failed. he has/had steadywork for 30+ yrs as a producer. not prince or madonna or mj, but hardly a failure.

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i'm not on facebook so i have no idea about dez's commentary. i could never get my hands on a copy of his book. when i met him in nashville he and the family had just been there a few years and both of them were working in the christian music industry. i assumed it was sparrow music but he mentioned another smaller label. i believe he was head artistic director or head of a&r,can't remember. i have friends who are in franklin,tn and he apparently moved his family and business out there. i think he is still in entertainment, but more managerial,although he recorded at least 1 christian cd that i know of. again,not prince or madonna or mj but not a failure.

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i believe you, but how does that go against what I said, they all had issues of one kind or another to varying degrees. Thanks for the info though, i didn't hear that much about Gayle. I did write her on facebook and told her just how good she looked back then. From what I heard, she was christian too, I never heard the stories of Pepe and the jamming but i have no reason to doubt. Dez, I am aware that he always had issues with the material, seeing 13 year old kids singing along to that shit. I do know andre had success with Jody Watley, but who knows what the hell he's up to now, there was a rumor on here a few years ago that someone saw him working at taco bell. I don't doubt your take on the issues that Prince had with Andre, sounds about right. Problem is, with men, they always want to run shit, it's why I don't even deal with musicians because I'm not aggressive enough to keep them in check, it's probably why Prince often favored women. Men usually have way more ego than they do anything else to contribute. In Pop life, dez said things that weren't all that flattering about Prince in many ways. he didn't sound like Brown mark, but he didn't pull many punches either.

Adorecream said:

D and P is way under rated. The worst parts of it are Tony M an dthe song Jughead which is mostly Tony M. There is a lot of good stuff on this album. Gett Off, Insatiable, Thunder, Cream, Diamonds and Pearls, Strollin, Walk don't walk and Willing and able are all at least very good songs and Insatiable is universally seen as one of his finest seduction ballads ever.

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Some people and authors di it, because it was desperate trend chasing with all the Tony M input and the songs shorn of their Tony M rapping sound almost like GB and Lovesexy Redux. Also the songs Jugnead and Push bring the record down. Yes it sounds a lot like a pop rap album circa 1989 - 1992, and does not have a new jack sound, so at least there is enough to suggest it is still a Prince album under all the overdubs and third rate rapping.

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Also the argument it was a trend chaser is silly, as Prince stopped leading the pack back in the Lovesexy days, Batman sounds like any late 1980s dance music like S express or Marrs and some maudling late Lovesexy era jams in the vocal songs. Batman is way worse that Diamonds and Pearls and GB has good Prince songs (Well GB aint that good neither is NPG part 2), but larded down like Trivial Pursuit said "A shitastic movie " - should get quote of the year, nearly shit myself reading that (Where is that tick tick bang gif when we need it?) and also some very sub par associate songs (Melody cool and Release it, anyone?). So we could safely say after that, we were not expecting 1999 mark 2 as the next album.

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Plusyou all forget that Diamonds and Pearls along with Purple Rain, picked up a shitload of new fans, some who have gone on to be hardcore like myself and Captain from the Peach and Black podcast. A lot of us had enough brains to see this was an airconditioned door at the entrance to Prince fandom and many of us dug deeper to see Prince had made many much better albums. I still like D and P, it's a soilid 7/10 album for me.

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Not sure about sales there, but here(NZ) and in Australia, Diamonds and Pearls and its singles were huge hits here, thanks to several DJ's promoting it and the tour to Australia (Many richer and older Kiwis simply went to the Sydney or Melbourne shows) and some of this hit afterglow lasted into the Symbol era. Also I am not sure but D and P is the next biggest seller after Purple Rain and its only other competition might be the Batman album which was also huge.

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Also Symbol does not get the amount of shit D and P does and really Symbol was its sequel with more terrible rapping and self indulgent rubbish amongst the gems (Damn U is a gem). It also had a lot less hits (2 real hits Sexy MF and 7) and a lot more shitty rapping by Tony M, yet it gets mostly love from the community.

naaahhhh, Batman is mostly great to these ears.. D & P has a good 9 track album to stand up against it alright but he didn't release a 9 track album unfortunately.

SunnyGirl8 said:

This follows on from the point I made earlier re books that are speculating about who songs are about/attributed to and Prince's personal life/relationships/muses/motivations/drivers etc and whether they're accurate. (As opposed to books that refer to factual/technical things to do with recording, touring, sales etc).

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Many of you may already be aware of this. I posted a thread today "Genius in Short" which links to an article that appeared in The Guardian on 19 Feb 2006 by Barney Hoskyns, where he quotes Prince's stance in the early-mid 1990's re people he worked with speculating about his music - who his songs are about, what his source of inspiration was etc.

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"A decade later when I met him again in a hotel suite in London, it was more Mona Lisa than Cheshire Cat - coolly supercilious, ultimately indecipherable. Then, he took me to task for things other people had told me about him, hooting uproariously at the notion that any of them was in a position to talk about him. The fact that one, engineer Susan Rogers, had sat by his side on hundreds of occasions at his Paisley Park studio carried little weight with him.

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'You think Susan Rogers knows me?' he asked. 'You think she knows anything about my music? Susan Rogers, for the record, doesn't know anything about my music. Not one thing. The only person who knows anything about my music [pause for very pointed effect]... is me .' "

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This creates a problem for any book that's quoting Susan Rogers or any other colleague, as they need to be interpreted with caution depending on what's being discussed. eg. the story around the song Wally

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Except Rogers has proven to be a fount of excellent information, while Prince is a proven liar who has often re-written his own history to fit whatever was important to him right now.

TrivialPursuit said:

djThunderfunk said:

D&P proved that in the music industry, promotion often equals success. Gotta spend money to make money. It's by far his most over-rated album, in my not-so-humble opinion...

You're not exactly alone in that ideology, either. Militant and I (as well as others) have noted that D&P was a record company album. Prince needed a hit, badly. His last #1 was "Thieves In The Temple", but it was coupled with a shitastic movie. Prince, when provoked and corralled a bit, can sit and write a catchy pop tune, and have a hit. He can balance the artsy and eclectic with the Top 40. Of course sometimes the best singles go unnoticed because they're never released as such, and he opts for the artsy instead, losing a lot of the general listening audience. The record was generic enough, on many levels while remaining uniquely Prince, that the record company could promote it in huge ways. However, Prince - making bad decisions - didn't even tour it in the U.S.

I don't know if it's his most over-rated album, but it sure is in the top 3 for that list.

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D&P is Prince preparing for his contract renewal, combined with the clearing of the decks that happened at the start of 1989. D&P is so unlike Prince: working for months on one album, then touring it all over the place (announcing a wide tour and then cancelling all gigs that didn't sell out in a single day), clearly following musical trends,... It is a crass and calculated album; Dutch music mag Oor (which had long supported Prince) gave it a scathing full-page review, pointing out all the hollow materialistic lyrics and concluding the album "had less depth than its 3D cover".

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It's Prince wanting to prove to WBR that he was willing to "play the game".

PeteSilas said:

I've never looked it up but Diamonds and Pearls was probably, by far, his best seller since Purple Rain.

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http://musicfans.stackexc...m/a/89/129

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PeteSilas said:

does anyone remember the rumors in the late 80's, say, 88 that prince was broke? that probably has something to do with why he had to do batman, and then diamonds and pearls. the overhead on PP was/is ridiculous and it seems that it never became the motown that some people were predicting. he had to take care of it, mostly by himself I think.

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Those weren't rumors, those were facts. He had to do the wildly lucrative Lovesexy Japan tour just to pay off the debts from the USA tour. And Prince had to be convinced by his accounted to take that job!

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In the early 1990s, when PP was open to all kinds of artists it was still bleeding approx. 2.5 million dollar per month(!), according to one of the articles that appeared in recent months. That's when Prince still had a clothing department for instance.

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In the mid-1990s the Star Tribune had a multi-page article series on all the local businesses that weren't getting their bills paid by Prince.

djThunderfunk said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Militant and I (as well as others) have noted that D&P was a record company album.

I said it first here

http://prince.org/msg/7/426523?jump=17&pg=1

Then you quoted me, and Militant quoted you.

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ludwig said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Militant and I (as well as others) have noted that D&P was a record company album.

I said it first here

http://prince.org/msg/7/426523?jump=17&pg=1

Then you quoted me, and Militant quoted you.

I remember it well.

No mention of Questlove's book about Prince? I recall it being rather positive.

https://www.amazon.com/Would-Die-Prince-Became-Icon/dp/1476705496

herb4 said:

No mention of Questlove's book about Prince? I recall it being rather positive.

https://www.amazon.com/Would-Die-Prince-Became-Icon/dp/1476705496

Now maybe all black folks look alike to some others, but that's Toure's book.

TrivialPursuit said:

TrivialPursuit said:

herb4 said:

No mention of Questlove's book about Prince? I recall it being rather positive.

https://www.amazon.com/Would-Die-Prince-Became-Icon/dp/1476705496

Now maybe all black folks look alike to some others, but that's Toure's book.

Positiv or not, Toure couldn't be bothered to get simple facts right. I don't remember specifics but there's a couple instances of getting which album this or that song is on wrong. Simple facts that could be checked by going to PrinceVault, asking his buddy Questlove or just looking at the back of the album. Toure was way to speculative and not nearly factual accurate enough in my opinion.

TrivialPursuit said:

herb4 said:

No mention of Questlove's book about Prince? I recall it being rather positive.

https://www.amazon.com/Would-Die-Prince-Became-Icon/dp/1476705496

Now maybe all black folks look alike to some others, but that's Toure's book.

REALLY? Aw shit, man. My fault. I was sure Questlove taught a class on Prince at a University and that this was his text book or something. I fucked that up good, didn't I?

I'll show myself out.

peace.

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herb4 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Now maybe all black folks look alike to some others, but that's Toure's book.

REALLY? Aw shit, man. My fault. I was sure Questlove taught a class on Prince at a University and that this was his text book or something. I fucked that up good, didn't I?

I'll show myself out.

peace.

I would loooooove to have attended that class, too. I remember when it was going on, and the blurbs about it online. If I were to ever sit and talk with anyone outside of the Paisley Park artists core, about Prince - it would be Quest, Alan Light, and Jon Bream.

BartVanHemelen said:

PeteSilas said:

I've never looked it up but Diamonds and Pearls was probably, by far, his best seller since Purple Rain.

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http://musicfans.stackexc...m/a/89/129

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thanks, so I assume it was the best seller since purple rain, they mention another that sold over five million, post PR, could only be ATWIAD or Batman.

djThunderfunk said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Now maybe all black folks look alike to some others, but that's Toure's book.

Positiv or not, Toure couldn't be bothered to get simple facts right. I don't remember specifics but there's a couple instances of getting which album this or that song is on wrong. Simple facts that could be checked by going to PrinceVault, asking his buddy Questlove or just looking at the back of the album. Toure was way to speculative and not nearly factual accurate enough in my opinion.

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There are some good ideas in the book, but its main problem is that it feels like a bunch of lectures written out and padded out.

PeteSilas said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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http://musicfans.stackexc...m/a/89/129

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thanks, so I assume it was the best seller since purple rain, they mention another that sold over five million, post PR, could only be ATWIAD or Batman.

We never know the EXACT sales number after all these years, only estimated world wide sales, and we know the exact RIAA certifications.

BATMAN is the most controversial figure.

In the U.S. it is certified RIAA as 2x Platinum over 2 million soldin the U.S.A alone. However many Prince books that I've read have said it has sold over 11 million world wide, and some books say it has sold over 5 million world wide.

However we do know the estimated world wide sales to this day are:

1. PURPLE RAIN - 25M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 13X PLATINUM)

2. DIAMONDS & PEARLS 6M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 2X PLATINUM)

3. 19999 6M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 4X PLATINUM)

4. BATMAN 4M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 2X PLATINUM)

5. THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE 4M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 2X PLATINUM)

feeluupp said:

PeteSilas said:

thanks, so I assume it was the best seller since purple rain, they mention another that sold over five million, post PR, could only be ATWIAD or Batman.

We never know the EXACT sales number after all these years, only estimated world wide sales, and we know the exact RIAA certifications.

BATMAN is the most controversial figure.

In the U.S. it is certified RIAA as 2x Platinum over 2 million soldin the U.S.A alone. However many Prince books that I've read have said it has sold over 11 million world wide, and some books say it has sold over 5 million world wide.

However we do know the estimated world wide sales to this day are:

1. PURPLE RAIN - 25M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 13X PLATINUM)

2. DIAMONDS & PEARLS 6M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 2X PLATINUM)

3. 19999 6M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 4X PLATINUM)

4. BATMAN 4M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 2X PLATINUM)

5. THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE 4M + WORLD WIDE (RIAA 2X PLATINUM)

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My link links to this article from 1992: http://www.ew.com/article...ecord-deal

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For You (‘78) 0.8
Prince (‘79) 1.75
Dirty Mind (‘80) 1.8
Controversy (‘81) 2.3
1999 (‘82) 5.0
Purple Rain (‘84) 14.7
Around the World in a Day (‘85) 4.35
Parade (‘86) 3.5
Sign o’ the Times (‘87) 3.75
Lovesexy (‘88) 2.65
Batman (‘89) 4.4
Graffiti Bridge (‘90) 1.95
Diamonds & Pearls (‘91) 5.8

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yes i read the article and saw it was from 1992...

PURPLE RAIN was certified 13x platinum in USA alone, and 1999 4x platinum in USA alone as well...

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

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My link links to this article from 1992: http://www.ew.com/article...ecord-deal

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For You (‘78) 0.8
Prince (‘79) 1.75
Dirty Mind (‘80) 1.8
Controversy (‘81) 2.3
1999 (‘82) 5.0
Purple Rain (‘84) 14.7
Around the World in a Day (‘85) 4.35
Parade (‘86) 3.5
Sign o’ the Times (‘87) 3.75
Lovesexy (‘88) 2.65
Batman (‘89) 4.4
Graffiti Bridge (‘90) 1.95
Diamonds & Pearls (‘91) 5.8

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