bettybop said:

tmo1965 said:

I think that if was married to any decent wife he would still be here.

Exactly. I think any wife who lived with him and saw him day and night might have made a difference. We'll never know, of course.

To be honest, there was nothing about Mayte and Prince that ever felt real to me. I don't mean to say there was no love. But I gotta be honest, it almost seemed like Prince was in dreamworld, trying to live or sell a fairytale with this perfect child-bride. Then the dream all came crashing down when tragedy struck. What a sad and rude awakening.

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this exactly. she was playing the role she was given, and she played it as she was told to. that sure didn't play to me like "true love/soulmating" or what have u.

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i don't think TH was that close to him. but i agree that she was more of the type that would have been good for him. another oppurtunity lost.

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bettyb your favorite song is the title track from my favorite MG album.

PeteSilas said:

Whats even stranger bout that is that they never had intercourse before they got married and Priscilla got pregnant almost immediately after their wedding...So 9 months later tbeir sex life was basically over, Many of his fans hated Priscilla, first for marrying him and then for divorcing him..But she had every right to leave a man who didnt sleep with her anymore but screwed around with groupies and actresses, etc.
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RachB65 said:

PeteSilas said:

funny thing was, I've read things that say Elvis didn't even want to marry Priscilla in the first place. He had promised the family that he would but he really had cold feet. then, Elvis had some strange ideas of women who had born children, he wouldn't have sex with women who had kids. so, some people have said, he stopped having sex with Priscilla when Lisa was born and he actually only had sex with her one more time and that was when he raped her after he found out that she cheated on him. I think Prince's case was similar in some ways, both men took advantage of naive young girls and inspite of all the people who say otherwise, there are signs that those were the men's true loves.

Whats even stranger bout that is that they never had intercourse before they got married and Priscilla got pregnant almost immediately after their wedding...So 9 months later tbeir sex life was basically over, Many of his fans hated Priscilla, first for marrying him and then for divorcing him..But she had every right to leave a man who didnt sleep with her anymore but screwed around with groupies and actresses, etc.

Given that some of the other women Elvis slept with did have children at the time, there were likely other or additional issues between Elvis & Priscilla than what she has stated.

In general though I agree there are similarities with older men who repeatedly seek out young, naive women to groom in some way.

wavesofbliss said:

bettybop said:

Exactly. I think any wife who lived with him and saw him day and night might have made a difference. We'll never know, of course.

To be honest, there was nothing about Mayte and Prince that ever felt real to me. I don't mean to say there was no love. But I gotta be honest, it almost seemed like Prince was in dreamworld, trying to live or sell a fairytale with this perfect child-bride. Then the dream all came crashing down when tragedy struck. What a sad and rude awakening.

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this exactly. she was playing the role she was given, and she played it as she was told to. that sure didn't play to me like "true love/soulmating" or what have u.

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i don't think TH was that close to him. but i agree that she was more of the type that would have been good for him. another oppurtunity lost.

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bettyb your favorite song is the title track from my favorite MG album.

I think it was People Magazine which said Tamron had a romantic relationship with Prince, but that relationship morphed into a friendship. Who knows what he had going with all of these women. But if JH flies out and he speaks with TH and asks her to fly to MN that final weekend ... I honestly don't think he was romancing either one.

RachB65 said:

PeteSilas said:

funny thing was, I've read things that say Elvis didn't even want to marry Priscilla in the first place. He had promised the family that he would but he really had cold feet. then, Elvis had some strange ideas of women who had born children, he wouldn't have sex with women who had kids. so, some people have said, he stopped having sex with Priscilla when Lisa was born and he actually only had sex with her one more time and that was when he raped her after he found out that she cheated on him. I think Prince's case was similar in some ways, both men took advantage of naive young girls and inspite of all the people who say otherwise, there are signs that those were the men's true loves. I don't get it in the case of Mayte, she never seemed capable of forming a thought of her own. At least that was the impression. Watching the Oprah interview, she couldn't answer a question without looking at Prince for approval. Not all men would be attracted to someone so devoid of character. Some men like ditzy women though. the only thing I like about not to bright women is that they seem to be the sweetest women you'll meet, other than that, I don't get it.

Whats even stranger bout that is that they never had intercourse before they got married and Priscilla got pregnant almost immediately after their wedding...So 9 months later tbeir sex life was basically over, Many of his fans hated Priscilla, first for marrying him and then for divorcing him..But she had every right to leave a man who didnt sleep with her anymore but screwed around with groupies and actresses, etc. [Edited 7/5/16 3:37am]

I don't believe that for 1 minute.

Eileen said:

RachB65 said:

PeteSilas said: Whats even stranger bout that is that they never had intercourse before they got married and Priscilla got pregnant almost immediately after their wedding...So 9 months later tbeir sex life was basically over, Many of his fans hated Priscilla, first for marrying him and then for divorcing him..But she had every right to leave a man who didnt sleep with her anymore but screwed around with groupies and actresses, etc.

Given that some of the other women Elvis slept with did have children at the time, there were likely other or additional issues between Elvis & Priscilla than what she has stated.

In general though I agree there are similarities with older men who repeatedly seek out young, naive women to groom in some way.

well, from what i've read, he wasn't too into women who had had a child. Probably because it reminded him of his own mom. Elvis was a little off as many creative people are. I think Priscilla and Elvis tried to say that she was a virgin up until they married, some people believe it, some people don't. Honestly, I think it probably had more to do with Elvis falling in love and losing interest in her. The in love stage is brief and insane as anyone who's gone through it can tell you. And yes, otherwise rational critics even, dave marsh especially, never had a kind word to say about Priscilla. She always did seem kind of cold but I don't know her. I know she got paid though.

PeteSilas said:

Eileen said:

Given that some of the other women Elvis slept with did have children at the time, there were likely other or additional issues between Elvis & Priscilla than what she has stated.

In general though I agree there are similarities with older men who repeatedly seek out young, naive women to groom in some way.

well, from what i've read, he wasn't too into women who had had a child. Probably because it reminded him of his own mom. Elvis was a little off as many creative people are. I think Priscilla and Elvis tried to say that she was a virgin up until they married, some people believe it, some people don't. Honestly, I think it probably had more to do with Elvis falling in love and losing interest in her. The in love stage is brief and insane as anyone who's gone through it can tell you. And yes, otherwise rational critics even, dave marsh especially, never had a kind word to say about Priscilla. She always did seem kind of cold but I don't know her. I know she got paid though.

Come to think about it, Prince has never dated anyone who had kids, that I know of.

I knew there was a reason I was ignoring this thread. Maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy, but to me this young lady revealed far beyond what would be considered in good taste, given that dude's passing is so fresh. No bueno, Judy.

musicfan77 said:

I think Kirk and the bodyguard are responsible, moreso than the doctor. Kirk has an attorney.

And how did they know when the plane landed to give him Narcan? Someone on that plane knew he took something.

I do believe Prince was in so much pain it was getting harder for him to perform.

I also thing the agitation was coming from withdrawl and the Fentenyl did him in.

And who called on that fateful Wednesday night? Who observed something was wrong.

They never should have left him alone knowing the state he was in.

How do we know the person that called witnessed Prince's death and then called for HELP?

I agree with all but the last bit.... The media released statements that he had been dead for at least 4-6 hours before the 911 call. So I think this timeframe cancels out anyone being at PP during the time of his death.

IMHO I think he died relatively soon after he got back home from Walgreens the night befrore , most likely within in a few hours. I say this because he was found in the elevator wearing the same clothes, hat and all that he was seen wearing the previous evening at Walgreens. Whatever happened from the time he left Walgreens to the time the went in his home, it seemed to have happened relatively quickly.

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tracyface said:

I agree with all but the last bit.... The media released statements that he had been dead for at least 4-6 hours before the 911 call. So I think this timeframe cancels out anyone being at PP during the time of his death.

IMHO I think he died relatively soon after he got back home from Walgreens the night befrore , most likely within in a few hours. I say this because he was found in the elevator wearing the same clothes, hat and all that he was seen wearing the previous evening at Walgreens. Whatever happened from the time he left Walgreens to the time the went in his home, it seemed to have happened relatively quickly.

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if he was dropped off @ 8:00 ish and was found around 9:00 am that's still a 4-6 hr window.if he was dead for 5/6 hrs he died around midnight. we know he wasn't eating for those hrs. bless his heart.

wavesofbliss said:

bettybop said:

Exactly. I think any wife who lived with him and saw him day and night might have made a difference. We'll never know, of course.

To be honest, there was nothing about Mayte and Prince that ever felt real to me. I don't mean to say there was no love. But I gotta be honest, it almost seemed like Prince was in dreamworld, trying to live or sell a fairytale with this perfect child-bride. Then the dream all came crashing down when tragedy struck. What a sad and rude awakening.

[Edited 7/4/16 22:11pm]

this exactly. she was playing the role she was given, and she played it as she was told to. that sure didn't play to me like "true love/soulmating" or what have u.

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i don't think TH was that close to him. but i agree that she was more of the type that would have been good for him. another oppurtunity lost.

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bettyb your favorite song is the title track from my favorite MG album.

You've got good taste. That and Hear, My Dear are my favorites CDs from MG! And yeah, I know they probably weren't that close but they seemed to have a bit of a romantic-friendship...or platonic flirtation. JMHO

Ottensen said:

I knew there was a reason I was ignoring this thread. Maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy, but to me this young lady revealed far beyond what would be considered in good taste, given that dude's passing is so fresh. No bueno, Judy.

Exactly how I felt, especially when it came to the part about him fighting to get back into his body. I am nosy and even I felt uncomfortable reading that. That was privledged information that she could have generalized as to not seem so personal.

wavesofbliss said:

If he just lost consciousness while he was on the elevator-- and subsequently died there, too-- we can assume he died peacefully, like he did when he lost consciousness at the plane.

free2bfreeda said:

i find her connection to both of them around the time of both of their deaths to be a red flag also...something about this chick aint right...

David Letterman show circa 1994 performance of Dolphin. I was enjoying it until the end. Then it was too much and made me cry.

If only...

https://m.youtube.com/wat...WJGOoTHJ4#
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RJOrion said:

free2bfreeda said:

i find it kinda strange while conincedental that judith hill was in the close presence of both michael jackson and prince before their passing . and that she is closely associated with sony. but hey "no conspiracy" stuff.

Judith Hill Signs with So...roban Tour

: www.rafu.com › English › Life & Arts › Music

Oct 11, 2013 - Vocalist Judith Hill has been tapped by multi-platinum-selling singer Josh Groban as support for his fall “In the Round” tour, which kicked off ...

"The Voice"'s Judith Hill...h Josh ...

www.drfunkenberry.com/.../the-voices-judith-hill-signs-with-sony-music-touring-wit...

Oct 2, 2013 - Judith Hill, who has appeared on "The Voice" and The Michael Jackson film "This Is It" has signed a record deal and is about to go out on tour ...

Prince being sued by Sony...Hill - AXS

: www.axs.com/.../prince-being-sued-by-sony-for-poaching-singer-judith-hill-465...

: dove:

here's a song title re:

i find her connection to both of them around the time of both of their

deaths to be a red flag also...something about this chick aint right...

so you think she's a plant? only heaven knows.

wavesofbliss said:

Yeah, Judith injected MJ with propofol and put the fentanyl patch on Prince.

Kara said:

wavesofbliss said:

so you think she's a plant? only heaven knows.

Yeah, Judith injected MJ with propofol and put the fentanyl patch on Prince.

you know what Kara?

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i don't believe she's a plant but sure seems to be what some on here are suggesting.

wavesofbliss said:

Kara said:

wavesofbliss said: Yeah, Judith injected MJ with propofol and put the fentanyl patch on Prince.

you know what Kara?

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i don't believe she's a plant but sure seems to be what some on here are suggesting.

geez...that would make her a cold hearted you know what...

seems she's being manipulated by sony imo. both Prince and MJ were at odds with Sony. what better way to get close to both then by getting someone that they would have trusted? maybe she was used unknowingly. her presence in their lives so close to their deaths is too coincidental imo. she did have "fame on the brain."

wavesofbliss said:

RJOrion said:

free2bfreeda said:

i find it kinda strange while conincedental that judith hill was in the close presence of both michael jackson and prince before their passing . and that she is closely associated with sony. but hey "no conspiracy" stuff

deaths to be a red flag also...something about this chick aint right...

so you think she's a plant? only heaven knows.

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wavesofbliss, you can have your opinion, but theres no reason to insult me and call me a 12 year old.

Like I said I will always believe if mayte and prince were together he would still be alive and I have every right to feel that way, but to call me a 12 year old, really. You had to go there, to insult me, that was completely UNCALLED FOR! we all don't agree with each other, we all have different opinions. but because mine is different from yours doesnt make me a 12 year old, I just have a different opinion than yours

Topazgirl, I read that too, that relationship was beyond repair so theyre marriage ended, they couldnt get pass loosing theyre baby boy. But I read on HERE, was that actually prince lost intrest in mayte and cheated on her with manuela, and married manuela a year after he got theyre marriage annuled. And something about theyre was a celebration with kevin smith and prince refused to play any songs having to do with mayte because he felt guilty for cheating on her with manuela. idk if any of this is true but thats what i read on here, and somoeone on here said they have personal knowledge that prince did cheat on mayte with manuela.

Anyone can say whatever they want about mayte but if this is true mayte never mentioned it and never said anything bad about prince, and in fact she became friends with manuela too, the woman people on here say prince cheated on mayte with, that shows true character, a angel and really sweet person who doesnt hold gruges. Mayte said the marriage ended because they couldnt cope with loosing theyre son, idk if she knows about the cheating, if its true. But you can bash mayte all you want but shes really a sweet lady, what shes's doing for animals, her tattoo (and she said he wanted the divorce not her, she doesnt feel right say ex husband, and she said after all he is the father of her child) But if you got to know her shes really a sweet lady and talented dancer and singer, My opinion of course, but no one can change that, and if that makes me sound like a 12 year old for feeling the way I do, I guess I am then.

underthecheerymoon said:

wavesofbliss, you can have your opinion, but theres no reason to insult me and call me a 12 year old.

Like I said I will always believe if mayte and prince were together he would still be alive and I have every right to feel that way, but to call me a 12 year old, really. You had to go there, to insult me, that was completely UNCALLED FOR! we all don't agree with each other, we all have different opinions. but because mine is different from yours doesnt make me a 12 year old, I just have a different opinion than yours

Topazgirl, I read that too, that relationship was beyond repair so theyre marriage ended, they couldnt get pass loosing theyre baby boy. But I read on HERE, was that actually prince lost intrest in mayte and cheated on her with manuela, and married manuela a year after he got theyre marriage annuled. And something about theyre was a celebration with kevin smith and prince refused to play any songs having to do with mayte because he felt guilty for cheating on her with manuela. idk if any of this is true but thats what i read on here, and somoeone on here said they have personal knowledge that prince did cheat on mayte with manuela.

Anyone can say whatever they want about mayte but if this is true mayte never mentioned it and never said anything bad about prince, and in fact she became friends with manuela too, the woman people on here say prince cheated on mayte with, that shows true character, a angel and really sweet person who doesnt hold gruges. Mayte said the marriage ended because they couldnt cope with loosing theyre son, idk if she knows about the cheating, if its true. But you can bash mayte all you want but shes really a sweet lady, what shes's doing for animals, her tattoo (and she said he wanted the divorce not her, she doesnt feel right say ex husband, and she said after all he is the father of her child) But if you got to know her shes really a sweet lady and talented dancer and singer, My opinion of course, but no one can change that, and if that makes me sound like a 12 year old for feeling the way I do, I guess I am then.

there there. i didn't mean to get your back up.

Lord have mercy on some souls in this thread. Now some are actually implying this young lady had something to do with not only Prince's death but Michael's too and was set up by a record company? People need to really think about the ignorant ish they're about to print and then not send it. Really a shame.
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endiadj said:

Lord have mercy on some souls in this thread. Now some are actually implying this young lady had something to do with not only Prince's death but Michael's too and was set up by a record company? People need to really think about the ignorant ish they're about to print and then not send it. Really a shame. [Edited 7/7/16 5:11am]

others imply "sony" in both instances. but then no one really knows since both were "alone" when they died. both deaths are mysterious with so many unanswered questions. also sony had serious issues contractually with both PRN and MJ.

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free2bfreeda said:

so they recruited judith to kill them both? i hardly think a record label is going to put a hit out on someone let alone two legends and have a young woman be the hitman. let me stop...

endiadj said:

its actually a great idea (and quite old, tried and true)...im not saying she killed Prince and Michael Joseph Jackson for sure..but she sure is the Grim Reaper...#REDFLAGTHATWOMAN
#JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE SAFE
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endiadj said:

free2bfreeda said:

others imply "sony" in both instances. but then no one really knows since both were "alone" when they died. both deaths are mysterious with so many unanswered questions. also sony had serious issues contractually with both PRN and MJ.

[Edited 7/7/16 15:52pm]

so they recruited judith to kill them both? i hardly think a record label is going to put a hit out on someone let alone two legends and have a young woman be the hitman. let me stop...

so say yea, cause i really dunno.

however speculative or not seems the whole duel death scenario of two great musicians is perfect fodder for a novel.

plot:

the protaganist unknowingly has hidden within her shoes and jewelry listening devices that record while she and both victim #1 and #2 are out and about in each period of time.

micro video cameras are installed throughout the mansions to record and listen to conversations and etc over a period of time. intimate, personal and everyday conversations are transcribed and sent to those in power who decide when to pull the plugs of life on their former money machines>>>> now their victims.

as the story goes on it exposes how savagely yet covertly and subtlely the well dressed mogols are control mongers.

the book highlights the soul purpose of the record company is to take back all of what the deem their contribution to the musicians fame.

like "their masters," and many etceteras.

then they (those in power) revel post death of each victim while basking in the riches from cd sales, auctions of the victim's most prized and $-valuable possesions.

upcoming movie deals, books and tv mini-series and etc.

the story would expose the recording company's supreme control and big payback for two genius musicians speaking up about wrong doings done by the muckity mucks. finally the last chapter would come to a climax when depicting fictional (or non-fictional) detail of how two great men shaped the world of entertainment and mysteriously died ALONE.

it would also reveal how soul slavery exist in the limelight of fame and if one speaks up and/rebels against the record/production company machine he/or she mysteriously dies.

in the end the protaganist stands sad, alone and in a search for the logic of it all.

some novelist could make mega bucks if the story's well written.

: http://www.forbes.com/sit...84729128ce

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

FUNKNROLL said:

In the article - she did make it a point to mention her upcoming east coast tour. Seems questionable. .

poor Prince

Tend to think he came back knowing it would be very brief due to another diagnosis, but simply to tie up a few loose ends that he was working on.

wow, JH didn't kill anyone

She did however leave stuff out of her story. What came through crystal clear to me though is how unhappy Prince was. Just picking lines out of the interview it's very clear. If you were reading this about someone totally unknown to you, you might see it in a different light:

Its very isolating to have to carry so much and be afraid to say anything.

My heart rages because I loved him so much and I just wanted him to be truly happy.

Prince, I've put up with a lot of things, but you don't get to do this one.

I do know that there was so much beauty amidst the pain.

I believe God brought ultimate healing. Prince is completely free and happy right now.

I'm okay with that as long as remember Prince is the lucky one right now.

Then..there was his ex-managers twitter response to JH's interview:

Why has this been romanticised??? 😡There's more to the story..

if you are going to talk at least tell the truth

coming back to earth - hindsight is 20/20, but I regret Judith Hill, Kirky J, and the technicians on the ground didn't leak info of Prince's overdose to the press. It would have humiliated him (and, I suppose, threaten their relationship), but maybe been enough to change what happened on 4/21.

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It's the magical thinking - I don't have a problem, what you just saw didn't happen, everything's fine - that allows the addiction to thrive, and kill. It's actually the addiction that forms the thoughts in the first place.

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MY (tiny) CONSPIRACY THEORY: TMZ knew. They knew he was addicted, they knew it wasn't a flu, they probably even knew about the shot. They didn't report, either from legality, or money.

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Either that, or Judith Hill is a member of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad.

Mintchip said:

coming back to earth - hindsight is 20/20, but I regret Judith Hill, Kirky J, and the technicians on the ground didn't leak info of Prince's overdose to the press. It would have humiliated him (and, I suppose, threaten their relationship), but maybe been enough to change what happened on 4/21.

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It's the magical thinking - I don't have a problem, what you just saw didn't happen, everything's fine - that allows the addiction to thrive, and kill. It's actually the addiction that forms the thoughts in the first place.

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MY (tiny) CONSPIRACY THEORY: TMZ knew. They knew he was addicted, they knew it wasn't a flu, they probably even knew about the shot. They didn't report, either from legality, or money.

.

Either that, or Judith Hill is a member of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad.

Seems like Prince had a reputation and lots of people were afraid of him. He didn't seem to have any problems having his lawyers take action. I remember Wendy/Lisa saying they got a call from his lawyer the time they gave an interview and jokingly called him a lesbian. Hard to imagine that he could have been a happy person trying to control the world as it related to him. I agree with you, if someone, anyone who knew what was going on said something, it may have forced him to get help sooner...but they were probably afraid to.