muleFunk said:

Marta said:

babynoz said: Okay, but as far as I can see the guy (attorney) didn't broadcast these things while Prince was alive and those lawsuits were in play. And now Duane, Lorna, and Prince are gone. So what's in it for him that would make him broadcast that now, if isn't true. Who would gain what..from that?..And from whom?

He gets paid for interviews to National Enquirer and TMZ.

lawyers don't do anything without getting paid.

The siblings died without paying him now he is recouping off Prince's death.

Thank you. It's really not that hard to figure out.

endiadj said:

^the heard voices thing i thought was referencing him hearing kirk and her voice yelling for him to come back to them and he had to fight to keep from crossing over.

I wonder why he fought to cross over. We will never know, but that has been running in my mind. Prince seemed to believe in God and the afterlife, were things not what he believed? If so, then would that not inspire him to change or fight his issues with meds?

It is like you think you have 1 piece figured out, but then it does not fit down the road.

Maybe Judith Hill misquoted him in that section or used different words? I don't know.

wavesofbliss said:

MMJas said:

Had no idea. The stress those two had to endure on top of dealing with feelings of guilt, loss, pain, and so on.

it's despicable behavoir,no doubt. it's also the kind of behavoir you can expect when you don't treat your employees well and don't pay them. i always thought the whole thing about criminal cahrges for pulling the baby's ventillator was obscene. people make those excruciating decisions everyday, how is it criminal? the whole thing is so sad.

The nannies were angry that they got "fired". Why were they needed after the child died?

This was an obvious ploy to get money out of Prince and Mayte, above what was owed. When it didn't work, they went to the police and lied. They claimed that the baby died at home. In truth, the child never left the hospital.

laytonian said:

wavesofbliss said:

it's despicable behavoir,no doubt. it's also the kind of behavoir you can expect when you don't treat your employees well and don't pay them. i always thought the whole thing about criminal cahrges for pulling the baby's ventillator was obscene. people make those excruciating decisions everyday, how is it criminal? the whole thing is so sad.

The nannies were angry that they got "fired". Why were they needed after the child died?

This was an obvious ploy to get money out of Prince and Mayte, above what was owed. When it didn't work, they went to the police and lied. They claimed that the baby died at home. In truth, the child never left the hospital.

i it was never a plot to extort money. P hadn't paid them for being with Mayte during the pregnacy et al. like eric leeds, tony, duane, a lot of people just didn't get paid period! they were paid by the news paper for telling the story, they weren't trying to get P to pay them hush money. it makes sense that they would be fired after the baby died.

rogifan said:

Btw, something that people might not remember, P saw a show at the Dakota Jazz Club in Minneapolis just two days before he died. According to a worker who saw him that night he looked fine. http://www.people.com/art...oyee-death Could his situation have been that dire if he was taking in a show at a club just a couple days before he died?

Not forgotten.
But the danger zone wasn't when he was at the jazz club, bicycling around, going to the doctor, going to Electric Fetus or hosting that PP appearance. Some people who saw him at PP thought he looked wonderful; others thought he looked frail.

He was described as being "increasingly agitated" and it sounds like people were trying to keep him busy. The danger zone was when he was alone.
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[Edited 6/29/16 11:30am]

laytonian said:

rogifan said:

Btw, something that people might not remember, P saw a show at the Dakota Jazz Club in Minneapolis just two days before he died. According to a worker who saw him that night he looked fine. http://www.people.com/art...oyee-death Could his situation have been that dire if he was taking in a show at a club just a couple days before he died?

Not forgotten.
But the danger zone wasn't when he was at the jazz club, bicycling around, going to the doctor, going to Electric Fetus or hosting that PP appearance. Some people who saw him at PP thought he looked wonderful; others thought he looked frail.

He was described as being "increasingly agitated" and it sounds like people were trying to keep him busy. The danger zone was when he was alone.
.

[Edited 6/29/16 11:30am]

i've heard conflicting stories too. People said he looked fine at PP others said he looked pissed. Also, I did wonder about the bicycling thing. I've been around a lot of addicts and when they are jonesing they are desperate to keep busy and try to keep their minds off using. It's draining to be around and it's what I wondered when I heard of Prince biking around for miles. Poor guy probably felt trapped, like "how can I go to rehab like a normal person".

nelcp777 said:

endiadj said:

^the heard voices thing i thought was referencing him hearing kirk and her voice yelling for him to come back to them and he had to fight to keep from crossing over.

I wonder why he fought to cross over. We will never know, but that has been running in my mind. Prince seemed to believe in God and the afterlife, were things not what he believed? If so, then would that not inspire him to change or fight his issues with meds?

It is like you think you have 1 piece figured out, but then it does not fit down the road.

Maybe Judith Hill misquoted him in that section or used different words? I don't know.

that's what i keep saying, the pieces of the puzzle don't fit.

nelcp777 said:

endiadj said:

nelcp777 said:

I wonder why he fought to cross over. We will never know, but that has been running in my mind. Prince seemed to believe in God and the afterlife, were things not what he believed? If so, then would that not inspire him to change or fight his issues with meds?

It is like you think you have 1 piece figured out, but then it does not fit down the road.

Maybe Judith Hill misquoted him in that section or used different words? I don't know.

i meant, he fought to not cross over to death. maybe he heard the familiar voices and them crying out to him to come back to them, so he did. maybe he fought to not die in a strange place, a plane or hospital or in front of people, especially ones he cared about. maybe he wanted to pass away in his home, alone, peacefully. not saying he planned it but that it was just suppose to happen that way. [Edited 6/29/16 12:28pm]

Great points, thanks.

endiadj said:

laytonian said:

endiadj said:

rogifan said:

endiadj said:

if he hadn't been eating per his chef and just having a show a few hours earlier, exhaustion, dehydration all could've affected the effectiveness of a drug he may have taken making the effects stronger, i mean. is it a fact that it was an od on the plane? apparently they gave him a narcan shot just in case. maybe it was a seizure.

We don't know. There is so little we know but unfortunately it won't stop some from speculating or making assumptions.

We'll have to wait for the book(s).

PeteSilas said:

laytonian said:

Not forgotten.
But the danger zone wasn't when he was at the jazz club, bicycling around, going to the doctor, going to Electric Fetus or hosting that PP appearance. Some people who saw him at PP thought he looked wonderful; others thought he looked frail.

He was described as being "increasingly agitated" and it sounds like people were trying to keep him busy. The danger zone was when he was alone.
.

[Edited 6/29/16 11:30am]

i've heard conflicting stories too. People said he looked fine at PP others said he looked pissed. Also, I did wonder about the bicycling thing. I've been around a lot of addicts and when they are jonesing they are desperate to keep busy and try to keep their minds off using. It's draining to be around and it's what I wondered when I heard of Prince biking around for miles. Poor guy probably felt trapped, like "how can I go to rehab like a normal person".

Prince rode a bike to the stage area for one of the concerts he was doing.

If his hip was giving him problems he could have been riding the bike to work out or loosen up the joint.

avajane said:

endiadj said:

i meant, he fought to not cross over to death. maybe he heard the familiar voices and them crying out to him to come back to them, so he did. maybe he fought to not die in a strange place, a plane or hospital or in front of people, especially ones he cared about. maybe he wanted to pass away in his home, alone, peacefully. not saying he planned it but that it was just suppose to happen that way. [Edited 6/29/16 12:28pm]

It still doesn't make sense he would overdose in a plane while having a normal conversation over dinner with Judith. Then again, sudden death never makes sense. [Edited 6/29/16 13:02pm]

No, that story didn't sound like the way Fentanyl would take you out. If awake on Fentanyl he should have been finding it increasingly difficult to breathe, not just chatting and eating before falling unconscious in an instant that might be missed if she had looked away. Fentanyl for chronic pain is usually given as a patch and to overdose you have to either put on several patches or mess with the patch. Up until recently, his performances did not look like a man in serious pain. Oxy or Fentanyl don't obliterate serious pain (at least not on doses where he could still perform).

It makes more sense that he was ill.

The driving through red lights (his cousin didn't say anyone was following them) and pills and alcohol early in his marriage following an unhappy, unsettled childhood is disturbing though.

rogifan said:

laytonian said:

Not forgotten.
But the danger zone wasn't when he was at the jazz club, bicycling around, going to the doctor, going to Electric Fetus or hosting that PP appearance. Some people who saw him at PP thought he looked wonderful; others thought he looked frail.

He was described as being "increasingly agitated" and it sounds like people were trying to keep him busy. The danger zone was when he was alone.
.

[Edited 6/29/16 11:30am]

do you have a source for this? I hadn't heard these anecdotes before. I guess my point is he was doing normal things right up until his death. Can we really say he was in such a state that required someone to be with him 24/7? What about the nights before the night he died? Was someone constantly with him then?

Yes, I do have a source. It's been discussed here. Put "agitated" in the search box (upper right corner).
I also Googled for you. Here's the Star Tribune story that talks about it:
http://www.startribune.com/prince-likely-was-dead-for-hours-as-picture-of-his-last-days-takes-shape/380338131/

QUOTE: "Sources with knowledge of the investigation have told the Star Tribune that despite putting on a calm face after his emergency treatment for an opioid overdose in Moline, Ill., on April 15, Prince grew increasingly agitated in the following days. That prompted one member of his staff to place a call to New York at 6 a.m. on April 20 — the day before the musician’s body was found — seeking advice from someone who had recently worked with the musician, a source said."

I know we're all in pain from this. I went through the deaths of Buddy Holly, Elvis (meh), Lennon (yikes) and Harrison (moan). But this one has hit me harder than any other.

[Edited 6/29/16 14:48pm]

babynoz said:

endiadj said:

if he hadn't been eating per his chef and just having a show a few hours earlier, exhaustion, dehydration all could've affected the effectiveness of a drug he may have taken making the effects stronger, i mean. is it a fact that it was an od on the plane? apparently they gave him a narcan shot just in case. maybe it was a seizure.

Drugs and alcohol can trigger a seizure. When I was a kid, we had a neighbor next door, who would have a seizure whenever she drank too much. One day she had one at our house. So I wonder if Prince took pain meds either while on the plane or before he got on the plane and that triggered a seizure. I wonder if Judith saw him take something and she is not saying right now?

tmo1965 said:

wavesofbliss said:

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

--- No one has said if he had one or not. Only law emforcement would know since personal medical records are not open to the public. We have heard nothing about the investigation from law enforcement at this time. Do not go by the media.

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Said doesn't count.

Prince went on his bike to the doctor to get his medication but threw the prescription in the bin after he got the medication.

Even in such case the docter/apothecary would know and tell.

udo said:

I think Kirk and the bodyguard are responsible, moreso than the doctor. Kirk has an attorney.

And how did they know when the plane landed to give him Narcan? Someone on that plane knew he took something.

I do believe Prince was in so much pain it was getting harder for him to perform.

I also thing the agitation was coming from withdrawl and the Fentenyl did him in.

And who called on that fateful Wednesday night? Who observed something was wrong.

They never should have left him alone knowing the state he was in.

How do we know the person that called witnessed Prince's death and then called for HELP?

laytonian said:

From a distance, everybody looks ´fine´. Prince wouldnt go to the Dakota Jazz Club if he wasnt feeling minimal conditions. Dont know where people are trying to get...

rogifan said:

"Sources" I stopped reading after that. I have no time for unnamed sources not on the record.

This was from the Minneapolis Star Tribune, which adheres to journalistic rules. That means multiple, long-time trusted sources are used to confirm information (unlike one-source tabloids like the NE). There is no reason to doubt that report.

But I understand why you choose to. We're all hurting.