Well, I think the Star Tribune, among other media outlets, is not going to let this go away (as if it could). C.J. - yes, C.J. - interviewed a local reporter (who had been on maternity leave) to learn her reaction to Prince's death, and that reporter had the same questions so many have been asking. Who, what, why, where and when? It will all come out, but I am sure it will take time.

tmo1965 said:

PeteSilas said:

michael had a doctor and he still died. drugs, unless you really need them are useless in this modern society. all kinds of bad shit comes from them(and yes, alcohol is a drug in case some pothead comes on). many people are dead because of them, many people are in prison because of the, doing things they can't even remember and some even end up with fractured minds. the talent we've lost to drugs is monumental and I pretty much don't even listen to all the junkies who defend them so save your breath.

Michael's doctor was the cause of his death.

that was kinda my point.

Tresha68 said:

ACharmed1 said:

Yep. I adore him but he could no doubt be cruel beyond words. My heart really goes out to Mayte. As far as Mani...Mani-pulative, girls got no moral compass or her husband (Eric singing P songs in a tribute right after...really?!) P being the player he was got played by Mani.

[Edited 6/26/16 16:10pm]

100% totally agree.

He truly hurt Mayte badly. I believe she was the only one who truly loved him. I think they were soul mates and I think it scared him.

He needed to keep up appearances. Sad, truly.

I believe that she loved him ..and that she was suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome'. I think he found her beautiful, malleable, entertaining..to a certain point, but I don't think that they were soul-mates..or that she was the love of his life; ..or Denise ..or Manuela. I think he was still searching for that.

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babynoz said:

GustavoRibas said:

Honestly, I dont understand why some fans are so upset or denying the fact that Prince took painkillers

Just to make it clear. ...I will NEVER see him as a junkie and I am sad because of all those comments trying to put Prince in the same box of Kurt Cobain and such. Never believed in this ´drugs for stage fright´also.

But, at the same time, I acknowledge that Prince took drugs for pain and it´s a very common problem in America. I only feel (very) sad that he couldnt get help in time enough to save his life. This thought makes me devastated.

[Edited 6/26/16 11:26am]

Could you please show me where anyone at all has denied his taking painkillers?

I honestly believe that people can stop trying to deny that. His two siblings (before they passed) said that he did. Manuela compared him to Charlie Sheen and all know that drugs were (are?..) very much a part of his world. And in that thread about her making that comparison, I saw the same kinds of posts that I see here and in some of the other threads; denial, attacks on her because she said that ( and I don't personally care for her), demands for proof, etc. However, whether she did that for selfish reasons or as a cry out for someone to please do-o-o something (to help him) ...she was right on the money..wasn't she? And I'm pretty sure that her good friend Mayte knew about the situation as well. Afterall, she was the one who found him passed out with empty wine bottles and pills all around and thought him dead for a moment. "Nanny" turned the pills into 'asprin', but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. Facts are as they are ..and I would just like to know the answers to All of the questions.

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[Edited 6/28/16 11:21am]

Marta said:

Tresha68 said:

100% totally agree.

He truly hurt Mayte badly. I believe she was the only one who truly loved him. I think they were soul mates and I think it scared him.

He needed to keep up appearances. Sad, truly.

I believe that she loved him ..and that she was suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome'. I think he found her beautiful, malleable, entertaining..to a certain point, but I don't think that they were soul-mates..or that she was the love of his life; ..or Denise ..or Manuela. I think he was still searching for that.

[Edited 6/28/16 11:19am]

I think the baby's death (and the subsequent miscarriage) put him in a bad way he could never recover from. All reports are that he was thrilled to have a child but it couldn't have turned out worse. Would they have separated if there had been children? I don't think so. He'd have wanted to do it better than his own parents did.
I've read the reports about the events in the hospital and his confusion. About the saddest thing I ever read AND THEN the nannies try to sell photos of the deformed child? THEN, after he gets that stopped, they call the police on him to investigate the child's death?
How could that have turned out worse?

I hate to be the broken record once again, but the only way we shall ever know the answer to this question is if the autopsy report is released. I don't want to hear from people that this release would be a violation of his privacy. He is dead. The only thing saving release is that Minnesota law does not allow it at this time. He left no will, apparently. His privacy is essentially voided. You will learn about his finances, his business holdings - everything. Because he didn't leave a final document. My feeling is if the taxpayers' paid for his autopsy, which they did, then it should be public record. For the non-believers: one cannot start with Fentanyl. One has to build up a tolerance by using other opiods over a long time, and then, as a last resort, be put on Fentanyl, if by prescription. Was it through prescription, was it from the street, was it Percocet laced with Fentanyl? Two months on and my heart is still shredded over him. There had to have been certain people around him who knew what was going on. Had to have been.

Marta said:

babynoz said:

Could you please show me where anyone at all has denied his taking painkillers?

I honestly believe that people can stop trying to deny that. His two siblings (before they passed) said that he did. Manuela compared him to Charlie Sheen and all know that drugs were (are?..) very much a part of his world. And in that thread about her making that comparison, I saw the same kinds of posts that I see here and in some of the other threads; denial, attacks on her because she said that ( and I don't personally care for her), demands for proof, etc. However, whether she did that for selfish reasons or as a cry out for someone to please do-o-o something (to help him) ...she was right on the money..wasn't she? And I'm pretty sure that her good friend Mayte knew about the situation as well. Afterall, she was the one who found him passed out with empty wine bottles and pills all around and thought him dead for a moment. "Nanny" turned the pills into 'asprin', but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. Facts are as they are ..and I would just like to know the answers to All of the questions.

[Edited 6/28/16 11:20am]

[Edited 6/28/16 11:21am]

his siblings and the lawyer who represented them sound pretty impeachable to me so I'll take it with a grain of salt. I don't have any denial that he could have been a heavy drug user but I just can't see how he covered it up so well. It's damn near impossible to cover it up to the point where he never showed signs. Many people are on record now saying they knew nothing of his drug use. I can't speak as an expert, I stay the fuck away from drugs and people who use them but in my experience, you cannot hide it even if you deny it (as most users do). also, interesting that you suggest that the aspirins in the 96 incident may not have been aspirin, I think that's very possible. Funny thing is Prince just seemed to walk right out the hospital that time too. Then, in the same era I read that his car 360'd and he goes to work like nothing happened. You know, sometimes those kinds of guys who cheat death feel invincible and it does them in. There are stories going back to the early 80's that he would drive through red lights without a care in the world. He always did feel like he was protected I think.

laytonian said:

Marta said:

I believe that she loved him ..and that she was suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome'. I think he found her beautiful, malleable, entertaining..to a certain point, but I don't think that they were soul-mates..or that she was the love of his life; ..or Denise ..or Manuela. I think he was still searching for that.

[Edited 6/28/16 11:19am]

I think the baby's death (and the subsequent miscarriage) put him in a bad way he could never recover from. All reports are that he was thrilled to have a child but it couldn't have turned out worse. Would they have separated if there had been children? I don't think so. He'd have wanted to do it better than his own parents did.
I've read the reports about the events in the hospital and his confusion. About the saddest thing I ever read AND THEN the nannies try to sell photos of the deformed child? THEN, after he gets that stopped, they call the police on him to investigate the child's death?
How could that have turned out worse?

where did you here that the nannies tried to sell the photos?

PeteSilas said:

laytonian said:

I think the baby's death (and the subsequent miscarriage) put him in a bad way he could never recover from. All reports are that he was thrilled to have a child but it couldn't have turned out worse. Would they have separated if there had been children? I don't think so. He'd have wanted to do it better than his own parents did.
I've read the reports about the events in the hospital and his confusion. About the saddest thing I ever read AND THEN the nannies try to sell photos of the deformed child? THEN, after he gets that stopped, they call the police on him to investigate the child's death?
How could that have turned out worse?

where did you here that the nannies tried to sell the photos?

I read it just a few days ago; I didn't share the link because I figured everyone already knew about that. In fact, I remember it happening at the time.

PeteSilas said:

Marta said:

PeteSilas said:

his siblings and the lawyer who represented them sound pretty impeachable to me so I'll take it with a grain of salt. I don't have any denial that he could have been a heavy drug user but I just can't see how he covered it up so well. It's damn near impossible to cover it up to the point where he never showed signs. Many people are on record now saying they knew nothing of his drug use. I can't speak as an expert, I stay the fuck away from drugs and people who use them but in my experience, you cannot hide it even if you deny it (as most users do). also, interesting that you suggest that the aspirins in the 96 incident may not have been aspirin, I think that's very possible. Funny thing is Prince just seemed to walk right out the hospital that time too. Then, in the same era I read that his car 360'd and he goes to work like nothing happened. You know, sometimes those kinds of guys who cheat death feel invincible and it does them in. There are stories going back to the early 80's that he would drive through red lights without a care in the world. He always did feel like he was protected I think.

Omgosh. ..My heart just sank reading this. He ran through red lights?! Yes. I find it amazing that drugs were in the picture for so-o long. And you're right. Getting away with such things brings about a feeling of invincibility. All in due time though. And pride goes before..... I think he had a very strong will..and could have gone for long periods without any drugs (withdrawn?) on his own. Until..he couldn't anymore. Older.....in more pain.....life issues starting to get the better of him. The total stress of Always having to live up to his own image. And, for me, an important issue is that he trusted no one. ..I can't help but feel I could have helped him. Maybe not. But I think so. ..It seems that he had no one around who knew how to maneuver the balancing act of keeping it very real for him without pissing him completely off in the process. I think he felt very alone in this world. People around him all day long. Hundreds more who wanted to be around him..for one reason or another. "Friends" with him whenever he desired. Women with him whenever he desired ....and still he felt all alone. Why do you think that the siblings that passed (l don't remember their names) couldn't be trusted? The attorney said they each passed that info on to him on different occasions, separate from one another, and on just casual (but multiple) conversations.

ya, but that lawyer was sounding pretty unethical, it's been spoken of on here. so I don't know. In terms of his family, i think that since they really didn't do anything to distinguish themselves or even much to support themselves from the sound of it, I could see them wanting some of that Prince money. He gave Duane a job, he put tyka through rehab. I was just telling a guy last week that this capitalist system is designed to pit all of us against each other, just the way it is. If a husband and wife divorce, often they end up with tons of bad feelings about each other but the system that helps that to happen always benefits. Just the way it is.

Marta said:

PeteSilas said:

his siblings and the lawyer who represented them sound pretty impeachable to me so I'll take it with a grain of salt. I don't have any denial that he could have been a heavy drug user but I just can't see how he covered it up so well. It's damn near impossible to cover it up to the point where he never showed signs. Many people are on record now saying they knew nothing of his drug use. I can't speak as an expert, I stay the fuck away from drugs and people who use them but in my experience, you cannot hide it even if you deny it (as most users do). also, interesting that you suggest that the aspirins in the 96 incident may not have been aspirin, I think that's very possible. Funny thing is Prince just seemed to walk right out the hospital that time too. Then, in the same era I read that his car 360'd and he goes to work like nothing happened. You know, sometimes those kinds of guys who cheat death feel invincible and it does them in. There are stories going back to the early 80's that he would drive through red lights without a care in the world. He always did feel like he was protected I think.

Omgosh. ..My heart just sank reading this. He ran through red lights?! Yes. I find it amazing that drugs were in the picture for so-o long. And you're right. Getting away with such things brings about a feeling of invincibility. All in due time though. And pride goes before..... I think he had a very strong will..and could have gone for long periods without any drugs (withdrawn?) on his own. Until..he couldn't anymore. Older.....in more pain.....life issues starting to get the better of him. The total stress of Always having to live up to his own image. And, for me, an important issue is that he trusted no one. ..I can't help but feel I could have helped him. Maybe not. But I think so. ..It seems that he had no one around who knew how to maneuver the balancing act of keeping it very real for him without pissing him completely off in the process. I think he felt very alone in this world. People around him all day long. Hundreds more who wanted to be around him..for one reason or another. "Friends" with him whenever he desired. Women with him whenever he desired ....and still he felt all alone. Why do you think that the siblings that passed (l don't remember their names) couldn't be trusted? The attorney said they each passed that info on to him on different occasions, separate from one another, and on just casual (but multiple) conversations.

udo said:

morningsong said:

The DEA has given zero information to the media. The investigation is still going on. So any media outlet that has said there is absolutely no presciption has lied, plain and simple.

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If the situation was legitimate then they would have found a prescription in any of the houses of the Prince man if not at the Park.

Or a doctor would have stepped forward of they had a good story.

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As far as we know none of this happened.

So as far as we know there is no prescription or at least the legitimacy of the mecication or the doctor are in doubt.

So we do not know for sure if there is no precription but the news points to this.

No doctor with a lick of sense will "step forward" outside of HIPAA guidelines (which are well-known and in effect since 1996, shortly before P's child was born).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_privacy_law#HIPAA

You don't know what was found when the DEA did the big sweep at PP. They took computers and did a wide search. NOTHING has been revealed.

NOTHING points to your "conclusions" based on "as far as we know". The LACK of information does not prove the presence of information. Get it?

[Edited 6/28/16 16:22pm]

This thread is getting weird.....

The lawyer in question quoted two deceased people, which is very convenient for him because they cannot dispute what he is saying.....think about it.

Marta said:

babynoz said:

Could you please show me where anyone at all has denied his taking painkillers?

I honestly believe that people can stop trying to deny that. His two siblings (before they passed) said that he did. Manuela compared him to Charlie Sheen and all know that drugs were (are?..) very much a part of his world. And in that thread about her making that comparison, I saw the same kinds of posts that I see here and in some of the other threads; denial, attacks on her because she said that ( and I don't personally care for her), demands for proof, etc. However, whether she did that for selfish reasons or as a cry out for someone to please do-o-o something (to help him) ...she was right on the money..wasn't she? And I'm pretty sure that her good friend Mayte knew about the situation as well. Afterall, she was the one who found him passed out with empty wine bottles and pills all around and thought him dead for a moment. "Nanny" turned the pills into 'asprin', but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. Facts are as they are ..and I would just like to know the answers to All of the questions.

[Edited 6/28/16 11:20am]

[Edited 6/28/16 11:21am]

Lilly1234 said:

Marta said:

PeteSilas said: Omgosh. ..My heart just sank reading this. He ran through red lights?!

I've read a couple of the "red light incidents". Each occurred when someone was trying to flag him down, stalk or otherwise follow while he was driving.

laytonian said:

Lilly1234 said:

I've read a couple of the "red light incidents". Each occurred when someone was trying to flag him down, stalk or otherwise follow while he was driving.

his cousing chazz says it in a video bio. In those days, it seemed to be true that he felt he was in touch with god in some way that the rest of us aren't. Dez Dickerson blames it on Gayle Chapman telling him he was especially blessed by god. I forget who it was who said in the 80's that Prince felt he was related to god in some way. Then, on here, there was a thread which said that he thought he was the messiah in the 80's. It was a heady time for him to be sure. Superstardom wll fry a mans brains. He came back from it all very well for the most part. If that was why he ran red lights or not, feeling he couldn't die, I don't know but I do know that guys like that sometimes feel invincible.

babynoz said:

laytonian said:

Marta said:

babynoz said:

This thread is getting weird.....

The lawyer in question quoted two deceased people, which is very convenient for him because they cannot dispute what he is saying.....think about it.

I did think about that. In fact, when I read that article. And you have a valid point ...could or could not be true. The only thing is..I kept coming back to "then what's in it for him (the attorney)? He didn't have to mention those details at all. No one knew about any conversation he'd had with the brother and sister. He volunteered that info. ..So, the question is, what could he gain by lying about it? More crap to ponder. ..If he's on a payroll; then whose? And for what reason?

He represented Duane back when P canned him and had to get a restraining order. He now represents Duane's descendants and once represented Lorna as well.

He gets paid for his representation vs the estate. A few weeks ago somebody posted his record of deceiving clients in California and getting sued because of it.

babynoz said:

but now that all 3 are gone and not here to dispute those claim,s, especially prince, why say it at all?

laytonian said:

Marta said:

I believe that she loved him ..and that she was suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome'. I think he found her beautiful, malleable, entertaining..to a certain point, but I don't think that they were soul-mates..or that she was the love of his life; ..or Denise ..or Manuela. I think he was still searching for that.

[Edited 6/28/16 11:19am]

I think the baby's death (and the subsequent miscarriage) put him in a bad way he could never recover from. All reports are that he was thrilled to have a child but it couldn't have turned out worse. Would they have separated if there had been children? I don't think so. He'd have wanted to do it better than his own parents did.
I've read the reports about the events in the hospital and his confusion. About the saddest thing I ever read AND THEN the nannies try to sell photos of the deformed child? THEN, after he gets that stopped, they call the police on him to investigate the child's death?
How could that have turned out worse?

You are kidding, right? Right?

I read that report recently about the nanny issue. I had never heard about it.

MMJas said:

laytonian said:

I think the baby's death (and the subsequent miscarriage) put him in a bad way he could never recover from. All reports are that he was thrilled to have a child but it couldn't have turned out worse. Would they have separated if there had been children? I don't think so. He'd have wanted to do it better than his own parents did.
I've read the reports about the events in the hospital and his confusion. About the saddest thing I ever read AND THEN the nannies try to sell photos of the deformed child? THEN, after he gets that stopped, they call the police on him to investigate the child's death?
How could that have turned out worse?

You are kidding, right? Right?

Unfortunately this is not a joke. Prince hired a lawyer who fought and won to prevent the release. I was disgusted by the nannies trying to do this. A horrible time for Prince and Mayte and then the added stress and drama of this.

nelcp777 said:

MMJas said:

You are kidding, right? Right?

Unfortunately this is not a joke. Prince hired a lawyer who fought and won to prevent the release. I was disgusted by the nannies trying to do this. A horrible time for Prince and Mayte and then the added stress and drama of this.

Had no idea. The stress those two had to endure on top of dealing with feelings of guilt, loss, pain, and so on.

Marta said:

babynoz said:

He represented Duane back when P canned him and had to get a restraining order. He now represents Duane's descendants and once represented Lorna as well.

He gets paid for his representation vs the estate. A few weeks ago somebody posted his record of deceiving clients in California and getting sued because of it.

Okay, but as far as I can see the guy (attorney) didn't broadcast these things while Prince was alive and those lawsuits were in play. And now Duane, Lorna, and Prince are gone. So what's in it for him that would make him broadcast that now, if isn't true. Who would gain what..from that?..And from whom?

He gets paid for interviews to National Enquirer and TMZ.

lawyers don't do anything without getting paid.

The siblings died without paying him now he is recouping off Prince's death.

MMJas said:

nelcp777 said:

Unfortunately this is not a joke. Prince hired a lawyer who fought and won to prevent the release. I was disgusted by the nannies trying to do this. A horrible time for Prince and Mayte and then the added stress and drama of this.

Had no idea. The stress those two had to endure on top of dealing with feelings of guilt, loss, pain, and so on.

it's despicable behavoir,no doubt. it's also the kind of behavoir you can expect when you don't treat your employees well and don't pay them. i always thought the whole thing about criminal cahrges for pulling the baby's ventillator was obscene. people make those excruciating decisions everyday, how is it criminal? the whole thing is so sad.