LBrent said:

PurpleMusic07 said:

LBrent said:

So what? So what if anyone he worked with had a PhD in every instrument, could sing better, could dance better, could make better pancakes. They were EMPLOYED BY HIM and if he wanted them to sit for the entire time they were EMPLOYED BY HIM and never play a note...guess what? That was the JOB. Wanna showcase what YOU feel is a better example of YOUR talent? Leave and start YOUR OWN THING. Some did. Mazeltov. But of the ones who did, which ones were able to replicate P's level of success? [Edited 7/25/16 10:03am]

Ya know...Prince wasnt the best about seperating business and pleasure (unless it benefitted him). SO yeah youre right tthey technically worked for him and he technically owned the rights, but he's still fucked up for it. Not wrong, not technically but its not cool. You build a group around your gf/fiance ( that youre rabidly cheating on ) and you build a group around a childhood friend ( supposedly in exchange for song credit ), and when you decide that youre done with those people and youre done with those projects you keep them from moving fwd with it on their own. Yeah it's legal, but it's not ok.

For the vast majority of Prince's life, he lived it in the studio, on stage, via videos and concerts

There was no way he could seperate the business & pleasure. And the thing that made the 1980-1987 period so great was the business & pleasure, business & family aspect. He in 1998 called that period a Community. And it was clear that that was more than just business back then. Not to mention everyone had numbers of friends and family in the camp.

LBrent said:

Those projects, whether he abandoned them or not, were his to abandon. They weren't theirs to move forward with. They walked away with knowledge, experience and business contacts..Oh...and their talent. If their argument was that they wanted to express their own personal talent, they were free to do so...the names shouldn't have mattered if they were as talented as they thought they were. Heck, they could've used their own birth names...like P did... If people wanted to see MD perform, billing himself as Morris Day would've fulfilled that. Same with anyone else who left. P's fight against WB involved them preventing his free use not only of his creations, but the associated use of his BIRTH NAME. Not a made up band name. His birth name. Or as he put it in an interview, the "name my mother gave me at birth". P never prevented MD or anyone else from using their BIRTH NAME. He didn't allow them to use the name HE CREATED and allowed them to use when they were EMPLOYED by him. Not the same thing. What's uncool about that? Because after they left without the name he created nobody was checking for them? Funny. Terry and Jimmy, Wendy and Lisa, Mark Brown, Matt Finke, Bobby Rivkin, Dez Dickerson and others did just fine...Oh. Wait...Were they using names P created or their own? Hmmm... [Edited 7/25/16 11:42am]

I go back to what I said, Prince was never good about seperating busness and pleasure and this is a prime example of how and why those two things should be clearly defined when working with people that you are VERY close to.

A note on branding: yes they could have absolutely continued on without him, but as is often the case with BRANDING - business people and the public alike connect w/ the brand, not necessariily the individual(s) behind it. Maybe labels didn't want Morris Day, maybe they wanted The Time. Perhaps it was difficult getting meaningful promotion (pre-internet and on a tight budget) without the name. the NAME is what they were made as and it is the name that everyone associated with. Folks aren't great at trying new things. And yes when it's all said and done, Prince had the musical magic. The Time as an group is very talented, but Prince's production was the star. The public doesn't want new Morris Day music, they want new music frmo The Time, they want that familiar sound. Everyone has their purpose and talents. It is what it is. Morris and co. are talented folks regardless. Talent and success are not mutually exclusive. Prince is VERY VERY lucky.

The best thing Wendy and Lisa did was get behind the scenes workin on film and TV scores. Why? Because those areas do not require a strong brand, they require a simple ability to do the work. They're not being hired as "wendy and lisa" former members of the Revolution.

As I originally said, he wasn't technically wrong, and it was all legal. But you don't do your friends that way.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PurpleMusic07 said:

LBrent said: Ya know...Prince wasnt the best about seperating business and pleasure (unless it benefitted him). SO yeah youre right tthey technically worked for him and he technically owned the rights, but he's still fucked up for it. Not wrong, not technically but its not cool. You build a group around your gf/fiance ( that youre rabidly cheating on ) and you build a group around a childhood friend ( supposedly in exchange for song credit ), and when you decide that youre done with those people and youre done with those projects you keep them from moving fwd with it on their own. Yeah it's legal, but it's not ok.

For the vast majority of Prince's life, he lived it in the studio, on stage, via videos and concerts

There was no way he could seperate the business & pleasure. And the thing that made the 1980-1987 period so great was the business & pleasure, business & family aspect. He in 1998 called that period a Community. And it was clear that that was more than just business back then. Not to mention everyone had numbers of friends and family in the camp.

Oh absolutely. I know and understand that. You are absolutely spot on. And an unfortunate side effect of that community is that when Prince decided he was done w/ it a lot of folks suffered.

I would like to see more of this community acknowledged to be honest because while yes Princes name was the biggest one it has always been said that the ideas and outcomes were often collaborative in some manner, whether highly significant or not.

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PurpleMusic07 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

For the vast majority of Prince's life, he lived it in the studio, on stage, via videos and concerts

There was no way he could seperate the business & pleasure. And the thing that made the 1980-1987 period so great was the business & pleasure, business & family aspect. He in 1998 called that period a Community. And it was clear that that was more than just business back then. Not to mention everyone had numbers of friends and family in the camp.

Oh absolutely. I know and understand that. You are absolutely spot on. And an unfortunate side effect of that community is that when Prince decided he was done w/ it a lot of folks suffered.

I would like to see more of this community acknowledged to be honest because while yes Princes name was the biggest one it has always been said that the ideas and outcomes were often collaborative in some manner, whether highly significant or not.

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to this day you will notice all those people are still connected to each other

definately a community w/love

OldFriends4Sale said:

PurpleMusic07 said:

Oh absolutely. I know and understand that. You are absolutely spot on. And an unfortunate side effect of that community is that when Prince decided he was done w/ it a lot of folks suffered.

I would like to see more of this community acknowledged to be honest because while yes Princes name was the biggest one it has always been said that the ideas and outcomes were often collaborative in some manner, whether highly significant or not.

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to this day you will notice all those people are still connected to each other

definately a community w/love

Yup. It's beautiful. That is exactly what creativity creates, at it's best and most productive. We are the sum of all our parts and IMO we are always at our best when we allow ourselves to be open to the (positive) influence of those around us.

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When you say "lack of talent",specifically,who are you referring to? I assume you're not talking about the guys in The Time,because all of them are real musicians.Even Morris Day can play drums.I also don't think you're referring to Sheila E.,who is considered one of the best drummers in the business.

witnessmystyle said:

Many of his ex-employees (including ones he was sexually involved with) ACTIVELY promote and cling-on to the past because that is what/all they are known for, again due to THEIR lack of talent

PurpleMusic07 said:

SoulAlive said:

LBrent said:

ksgemini63 said:

LBrent said:

SoulAlive said:

When you say "lack of talent",specifically,who are you referring to? I assume you're not talking about the guys in The Time,because all of them are real musicians.Even Morris Day can play drums.I also don't think you're referring to Sheila E.,who is considered one of the best drummers in the business.

SheilaE has always stood on her OWN merits. I've never seen her bill herself in terms of her connection to performing with P. She doesn't need to.

Yes she has. She enjoys it.

LBrent said:

ksgemini63 said:

Yes seriously my ex's cousin was a dancer in Cream vid. He did not treat people right and dared to preach about religion. I know I am a sinner and hypocrite sometimes but Prince had an air of superiority that was plain as day. Yeah I like much of The Time and Wendy and Lisa's stuff more than anything Prince did after 1990 LBrent said:

Seriously? There are none so blind as those who will not see... [sigh]

Um.

My ex's cousin's hamster says, "You win the Internet."

Congratulations.

LBrent said:

jdcxc said:

jdcxc said:

LBrent said:

MPurpleMusic07 said:

ksgemini63 said:

LBrent said:

LBrent said:

(this topic of "The Time" keeps coming up in different ways, so I('ll) keep commenting on them.)

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