I imagine he's going to hear a lot more... Isn't he one of the people charged with evaluating what's in the vault?

I suppose it's him or lawyers so he's probably best case. I suppose in the coming months we might get real data about the number of albums and songs he's recorded...

Monarch said:

WeepyEyedWhiteGirl said:

Maybe he meant, if you have to ask what Wally is, don't bother. Those who know, know...even we haven't heard it. It would be too much to explain and have no importance to a casual or non-fan. Sort of like "if you have to ask you can't afford it lingere"....*shrugs*

No he definitely meant don't ask where I heard it, how I heard it, or how you can get it.

TrivialPursuit said:

SapereAude said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"Wally" was destroyed. He put it together, then added shit to it that shouldn't have been in it, wrecking it. Then told Susan Rogers to hit record and erase it. She wouldn't do it, so he did. It was re-recorded the next day for posterity and the vault, but even if that version is great, the original will never be heard, nor will the emotion in it. Not to that extent.

For me, it's one of the most raw and intense stories I've ever heard about Prince.

Beauty in the breakdown. I'm not sure why Questlove would advertise that he heard it, if not to carrot & stick people? It seems especially in poor taste, considering the history, & how tightly Prince held to the song. I think very little was an accident with Prince, he certainly was an idealist, believing in his personal power & that of a higher power to a fault. He was probably always intending to release particular vault tracks, but just waiting on inspiration. However, something tells me Wally would never be included (I don't see Prince wanting to emotionally backpedal). In the later years his writing did become guarded, Breakdown & Way Back Home were as vulnerable as it got, I'm not sure he wanted us to have any more insight into his charactre, apart from his belief in God. If he thought love was a God given virtue, perhaps the greatest, I wonder if Wally may have betrayed that...? Just speculating. Anyway, I am still overwrought with emotion so I might sound possessive here, but it just seems respectful to let that song die with Prince. It was a personal piece of him that no one is entitled to... [Edited 6/10/16 23:19pm]

i wonder how he recorded it without susan rogers knowing about it. and why would he turn around and when did he rerecord it, if he did it 20 years later, i doubt it's the same song.

PeteSilas said:

SapereAude said:

TrivialPursuit said: Beauty in the breakdown. I'm not sure why Questlove would advertise that he heard it, if not to carrot & stick people? It seems especially in poor taste, considering the history, & how tightly Prince held to the song. I think very little was an accident with Prince, he certainly was an idealist, believing in his personal power & that of a higher power to a fault. He was probably always intending to release particular vault tracks, but just waiting on inspiration. However, something tells me Wally would never be included (I don't see Prince wanting to emotionally backpedal). In the later years his writing did become guarded, Breakdown & Way Back Home were as vulnerable as it got, I'm not sure he wanted us to have any more insight into his charactre, apart from his belief in God. If he thought love was a God given virtue, perhaps the greatest, I wonder if Wally may have betrayed that...? Just speculating. Anyway, I am still overwrought with emotion so I might sound possessive here, but it just seems respectful to let that song die with Prince. It was a personal piece of him that no one is entitled to... [Edited 6/10/16 23:19pm]

i wonder how he recorded it without susan rogers knowing about it. and why would he turn around and when did he rerecord it, if he did it 20 years later, i doubt it's the same song.

According to Prinvevault he re-recorded the song the following day. Susan Rogers wasn't the only engineer working for Prince at the time.

paulludvig said:

PeteSilas said:

i wonder how he recorded it without susan rogers knowing about it. and why would he turn around and when did he rerecord it, if he did it 20 years later, i doubt it's the same song.

According to Prinvevault he re-recorded the song the following day. Susan Rogers wasn't the only engineer working for Prince at the time.

well, hope its true and i hope we get to hear it. never understood how he fell for a plain jane like Susannah, i remember hearing about it when i was a kid and just thought that Prince would never fall for someone that plain, but later I learned it was true. Still, always thought they were kind of an odd couple, and not just because of the race difference.

MattyJam said:

suomynona said:

Exactly. Which is why so little of the last 20 years captured the passion of the first ten. It happens. People get older. When you stay in the studio and record non-stop, tour non-stop, and don't live your life the way you did before you were so famous that you couldn't walk down the street-- don't allow yourself to be hurt -- stop allowing others to say no -- it becomes difficult to write about things that drip with passion. Hate. Love. Longing. Loss. Anger. Fear. There wasn't a lot of that in his music for a very long time. It came out mostly in the live performances. But not a lot on record. Once everyone wants you, wants to be you, you don't have to chase. You are no longer writing songs like "Something In The Water Does Not Compute."

Listen to "Dark" from Stars & Bars. Don't know what got into him in that performance -- but again -- nothing like it on record in decades. Not that the music released during that time period isn't worthy of listening to. Just saying that folks are missing out when they say 20Ten is their favorite record. Or "Future Love Song" is their favorite song.

There was nothing like the Prince that would let him be vulnerable that way -- even if only briefly -- before screaming, or allowing the guitar to scream repeatedly for him. Just my two cents.

I was on board with everything you said until you started ragging on Future Soul Song, which IMO, is one of his deepest cuts from any era. That song is a completely ethereal sonic experience!

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Same for me, though I like Lavaux and Sticky Like Glue even more than Future Soul Song, which is also incredible.

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None of us that love 20Ten are saying it's our favorite record. But it is one of the last times P literally blew me away when I put on something new of his to listen to for the first time. (And yes, it used to happen a lot back in the day.)

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Since 20Ten, another time was hearing Extraloveable right after he rush released it after someone covered it without his permission. Hearing Josh play Ex's Face on the Yahoo Live broadcast was another exciting time because it was so hard, so current, yet very Prince vocally.

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One of the reasons I enjoyed 20Ten so much was not just the funkiness and sound of it, but also because the lyrics for several songs seemed so honest and personal, and even vulnerable on Lavaux.

PeteSilas said:

avajane said:

PeteSilas said:

well, hope its true and i hope we get to hear it. never understood how he fell for a plain jane like Susannah, i remember hearing about it when i was a kid and just thought that Prince would never fall for someone that plain, but later I learned it was true. Still, always thought they were kind of an odd couple, and not just because of the race difference.

Well, who knows maybe they had a lot in common in terms of character and hobbies. There's more to love than just superficial stuff like looks. Plus, you could be beautiful without being "exotic" or whatever is the opposite of plain jane. [Edited 6/12/16 18:21pm]

ya, i know that but Prince's history and his type goes against what he chose in Sussanah. He tended to fall for drop dead gorgeous latina/light skinned women who didn't really challenge him intellectually.

PeteSilas said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I don’t see the point from Queslove to post such an info and add *don’t ask*....pure bullshit and asshole bevahiour!

He just wants the attention, wants folks to know that he has access to people on the inside.

Why was the song called, 'Wally'?

Dibblekins said:

Why was the song called, 'Wally'?

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Wally

It does kinda seem like, "nah-nah, I heard Wally," especially since he says nothing else about it. It's almost like, "I just want you to know I heard it. I've got connections."

Initially, I was supportive of Quest being part of the industry team brought in to evaluate the Vault contents. But ever since I read his Prince album guide, I have to say he may not be the best choice. It seems he only likes and appreciates a very small part of Prince's catalogue, and hasn't really liked a Prince record since 1988. We need someone in there who appreciates the entire journey, not just the 80s.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It does kinda seem like, "nah-nah, I heard Wally," especially since he says nothing else about it. It's almost like, "I just want you to know I heard it. I've got connections."

Initially, I was supportive of Quest being part of the industry team brought in to evaluate the Vault contents. But ever since I read his Prince album guide, I have to say he may not be the best choice. It seems he only likes and appreciates a very small part of Prince's catalogue, and hasn't really liked a Prince record since 1988. We need someone in there who appreciates the entire journey, not just the 80s.

Yeah, he doesn't even describe how it sounds, any lyrics, or what-not. And you know that dude typically does that regarding songs. He hs become such a twat the last 5 tears. Success has really went to his head. And no, he should not be one to curate any Prince music. I mean who the fuck is he? The nerve of him to tweet "oh fuck our feelings huh?" when the family of Prince held a private funeral and he wasnt invited. He is ridiculous.

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[Edited 6/13/16 7:50am]

Iamtheorg said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It does kinda seem like, "nah-nah, I heard Wally," especially since he says nothing else about it. It's almost like, "I just want you to know I heard it. I've got connections."

Initially, I was supportive of Quest being part of the industry team brought in to evaluate the Vault contents. But ever since I read his Prince album guide, I have to say he may not be the best choice. It seems he only likes and appreciates a very small part of Prince's catalogue, and hasn't really liked a Prince record since 1988. We need someone in there who appreciates the entire journey, not just the 80s.

Yeah, he doesn't even describe how it sounds, any lyrics, or what-not. And youm know that dude typically does that regarding songs.

He hs become uch a twat the last 5 tears. Success has really went to his head. And no, he should not be one to curate any Prince music. I mean who the fuck is he?

The never of him to tweet "oh fuck our feelings huh?" when the family of Princ eheld a private funeral and he wsnt invited. He is ridiculous.

Where is it said that he will be one of the foks curating the music? This better not be the case.

bashraka said:

adore317 said:

bashraka said:

Questlove is the type that would brag about hearing Prince piss in a stall at a men's bathroom.

Ok! THAT just made me literally laugh out loud at my desk. Folk are looking at me like I've lost it. THANK YOU!

It's amazing how so many put SO MUCH credence behind what Questlove has to say about Prince. This dude is beyond annoying and narcissitic.

For sure.

This is the same guy who is well known for going to stores and buying his own albums. Did anyone see the Amoeba 'What's in my bag' video where he bought like 10 copies of the same CD because it was "rare"?

"Just in case I need to put my kids through college". Wow. He's actually expecting to get to the point where he has to sell second hand copies of his own albums? Especially one that's worth about a quid on the second hand market.

leadline said:

Iamtheorg said:

Yeah, he doesn't even describe how it sounds, any lyrics, or what-not. And youm know that dude typically does that regarding songs.

He hs become uch a twat the last 5 tears. Success has really went to his head. And no, he should not be one to curate any Prince music. I mean who the fuck is he?

The never of him to tweet "oh fuck our feelings huh?" when the family of Princ eheld a private funeral and he wsnt invited. He is ridiculous.

Where is it said that he will be one of the foks curating the music? This better not be the case.

He better bloody not be.

I can't think about Questlove and D'Angelo without being reminded of the time they got butthurt because Prince didn't go to that tribute show they did - then one of them (can't remember which) wrote on instagram/twitter straight up saying they were important enough for Prince to give a shit.

That was beyond lame.

Azifwekare319 said:

bashraka said:

Where is it said that he will be one of the foks curating the music? This better not be the case.

He better bloody not be.

I can't think about Questlove and D'Angelo without being reminded of the time they got butthurt because Prince didn't go to that tribute show they did - then one of them (can't remember which) wrote on instagram/twitter straight up saying they were important enough for Prince to give a shit.

That was beyond lame.

questloveDamn Big Brother....Why Hast Thou Forsaken Us? #IJS #WeNeedToBeExoticJawnsToGetLove? #WhatOptionWasBetterThanSeeingYourTwoBestStudents? #TheLastTwoThatCareAboutYourLegacyAndKNOWYourLegacy #YeahImSalty #ThisHappenedLASTTimeWeWasInTown #YeahImMadBro #ITravelAllEndsOfTheEarthToSeeYouBigBro #NoPurpleCarpetLove #DamnBro.

https://www.instagram.com/p/7UXlHGwa3V/

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It does kinda seem like, "nah-nah, I heard Wally," especially since he says nothing else about it. It's almost like, "I just want you to know I heard it. I've got connections."

Initially, I was supportive of Quest being part of the industry team brought in to evaluate the Vault contents. But ever since I read his Prince album guide, I have to say he may not be the best choice. It seems he only likes and appreciates a very small part of Prince's catalogue, and hasn't really liked a Prince record since 1988. We need someone in there who appreciates the entire journey, not just the 80s.

But if not Quest, then who? Random un-named people from a legal firm? Record executives? At least there is a fan on the inside.

I wouldn't even sweat the outtakes because we're never going to hear them. There is much more money to be made from remasters with a couple of bonus tracks. Than "new" albums.

No record company is going to release CB2 a 3 disc set of Prince songs nobody has ever heard. Once the remasters are out of the way we might start getting releases like "The Vault".

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bashraka said:

Azifwekare319 said:

He better bloody not be.

I can't think about Questlove and D'Angelo without being reminded of the time they got butthurt because Prince didn't go to that tribute show they did - then one of them (can't remember which) wrote on instagram/twitter straight up saying they were important enough for Prince to give a shit.

That was beyond lame.

questloveDamn Big Brother....Why Hast Thou Forsaken Us? #IJS #WeNeedToBeExoticJawnsToGetLove? #WhatOptionWasBetterThanSeeingYourTwoBestStudents? #TheLastTwoThatCareAboutYourLegacyAndKNOWYourLegacy #YeahImSalty #ThisHappenedLASTTimeWeWasInTown #YeahImMadBro #ITravelAllEndsOfTheEarthToSeeYouBigBro #NoPurpleCarpetLove #DamnBro.

https://www.instagram.com/p/7UXlHGwa3V/

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Yep, that's the one.

#WhatOptionWasBetterThanSeeingYourTwoBestStudents? I'm sorry, but that was just pathetic.

Azifwekare319 said:

bashraka said:

questloveDamn Big Brother....Why Hast Thou Forsaken Us? #IJS #WeNeedToBeExoticJawnsToGetLove? #WhatOptionWasBetterThanSeeingYourTwoBestStudents? #TheLastTwoThatCareAboutYourLegacyAndKNOWYourLegacy #YeahImSalty #ThisHappenedLASTTimeWeWasInTown #YeahImMadBro #ITravelAllEndsOfTheEarthToSeeYouBigBro #NoPurpleCarpetLove #DamnBro.

https://www.instagram.com/p/7UXlHGwa3V/

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Yep, that's the one.

#WhatOptionWasBetterThanSeeingYourTwoBestStudents? I'm sorry, but that was just pathetic.

Why go see a tribute set and you are the real thing? P was probably at Patti's house, or watching Finding Nemo.

Noodled24 said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It does kinda seem like, "nah-nah, I heard Wally," especially since he says nothing else about it. It's almost like, "I just want you to know I heard it. I've got connections."

Initially, I was supportive of Quest being part of the industry team brought in to evaluate the Vault contents. But ever since I read his Prince album guide, I have to say he may not be the best choice. It seems he only likes and appreciates a very small part of Prince's catalogue, and hasn't really liked a Prince record since 1988. We need someone in there who appreciates the entire journey, not just the 80s.

But if not Quest, then who? Random un-named people from a legal firm? Record executives? At least there is a fan on the inside.

I wouldn't even sweat the outtakes because we're never going to hear them. There is much more money to be made from remasters with a couple of bonus tracks. Than "new" albums.

No record company is going to release CB2 a 3 disc set of Prince songs nobody has ever heard. Once the remasters are out of the way we might start getting releases like "The Vault".

[Edited 6/14/16 11:40am]

Jimmy and Terry. Any ex-bandmembers who recorded with Prince, and know what he liked.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there an interview with Beck and D'Angelo, where they kinda shit on Prince, offering the Master unsolicited advice, and don't the Voodoo liner notes have a snarky comment about him as well? That would be enough for me to bare-minimum keep you at arms length, and possibly even fucking hate you.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Noodled24 said:

But if not Quest, then who? Random un-named people from a legal firm? Record executives? At least there is a fan on the inside.

I wouldn't even sweat the outtakes because we're never going to hear them. There is much more money to be made from remasters with a couple of bonus tracks. Than "new" albums.

No record company is going to release CB2 a 3 disc set of Prince songs nobody has ever heard. Once the remasters are out of the way we might start getting releases like "The Vault".

[Edited 6/14/16 11:40am]

Jimmy and Terry. Any ex-bandmembers who recorded with Prince, and know what he liked.

Nuff said. You got me there. It'd be very hard to object to them being involved. Were they even on speaking terms though? With Prince holding on to the name of their band?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there an interview with Beck and D'Angelo, where they kinda shit on Prince, offering the Master unsolicited advice, and don't the Voodoo liner notes have a snarky comment about him as well? That would be enough for me to bare-minimum keep you at arms length, and possibly even fucking hate you.

I got the feeling Prince had more time for Quest than D'angelo. Since so many stories point to Quest being the person who'd get the txts/emails.

I think there are a couple of stories about D'angelo & Prince. Apparently "U Make My Sunshine" was Prince's answer to "Untitled (How does it feel)". The video featuring Angie Stone, who dated D'angelo.

I think there was also a jam session where Prince felt he had to show D'angelo the correct way to play something. Which sounds like something he likely did to bandmembers, but D'angelo wasn't happy because 2 albums in he felt he was one of Prince's peers.

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jdcxc said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i know that but Prince's history and his type goes against what he chose in Sussanah. He tended to fall for drop dead gorgeous latina/light skinned women who didn't really challenge him intellectually.

Wow...How do you know who challenged him intellectually? And what makes Susannah smarter than the rest? Hmmm...I wonder how you came to that conclusion.

wow, vanity and mayte were trophies i've seen interviews and they didn't have much going on upstairs. As far as Sussanah, you could be right, maybe she was dingy too.

PeteSilas said:

paulludvig said:

According to Prinvevault he re-recorded the song the following day. Susan Rogers wasn't the only engineer working for Prince at the time.

well, hope its true and i hope we get to hear it. never understood how he fell for a plain jane like Susannah, i remember hearing about it when i was a kid and just thought that Prince would never fall for someone that plain, but later I learned it was true. Still, always thought they were kind of an odd couple, and not just because of the race difference.

I agree with you on this point, never understood that relationship. And that she was the inspiration on so many awesome Prince songs. Strange relationship.

susannah was cosmopolitan, a dancer, and an artist at heart. she exposed the little midwestern guy to a lot of worldly things he hadn't known before. her family had intrinsic ties to the music industry. she had a lot to offer.